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Earlier in the week, it was reported that Israel passed a law punishing people who advocate for a boycott of the settlements. The law is definitely not only a blow to freedom of speech in Israel but also another act of repression against Palestinian solidarity activism in Israel.
Also, this week the Committee to Stop FBI Repression put out a statement in solidarity with activists who have engaged in flotillas to Gaza. The group of antiwar and international solidarity activists, who have each been subpoenaed by the FBI to appear before a grand jury over the past months, all for exercising their civil liberties, condemned the State Department for seeking to make delivering humanitarian aid to Palestinians a crime. They called out the State Department for “threatening arrests, trials, and lengthy prison sentences for Americans on board the solidarity boat named, “The Audacity of Hope.”
I spoke with Maureen Murphy, a journalist and Palestinian solidarity activist who has done work for Electronic Intifada. You can follow her on Twitter @maureen_70.
This is Part 1 of my interview.
KEVIN GOSZTOLA: Israel has passed a law to punish those who are boycotting the settlements. I was wondering if you could provide some background and reactions to this development and what you think this means for people seeking to engage in Palestinian solidarity activism in Israel.
MAUREEN MURPHY: It’s worth putting this piece of legislation into the general context of the series of really draconian and politically motivated legislation that has been passed by the Knesset or is under consideration. Earlier this year, the Nakba law was passed, which basically penalized groups that observe a day of mourning regarding the establishment of the state of Israel, and that’s a direct attack on the Palestinian community.
There’s a bill that I think is still under consideration called the loyalty oath bill that will require civil society groups and individuals wishing to gain Israeli citizenship to pledge allegiance to the Jewish and democratic state. And then, there’s been a number of laws that are intended to dictate the curriculum that are used in Palestinian schools in Israel. So there’s a heightened and escalated number of laws that are being used to, one, attack the Palestinian community in Israel and, two, to penalize Israeli civil society, especially human rights groups which assisted with the UN fact-finding mission (better known as “The Goldstone Report”).
There’s been a number of these kinds of laws and, instead of allowing civil society to operate, with this new law, the boycott law, it’s effectively preventing civil society from holding the government accountable to international law. And it provides protection for the whole settlement project in the occupied West Bank by preventing people from being able to speak out about it and by muzzling and critics and human rights groups that document the settlement project in the West Bank.
I think it’s also worth noting that Israel has actively prevented or tried to prevent ties of direct solidarity between Israeli activists and Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip by making it illegal for Israeli citizen to enter certain parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. And, it’s also for years turned away and deported international solidarity activists or even people working for international development agencies or civil society groups, to prevent them from accessing and build relationships with Palestinians and outside observers from witnessing what’s happening on the ground.
GOSZTOLA: What can you say about how the US is involved in providing cover or reinforcing the kind of policies that Israel wants to enact?
MURPHY: The United States has always been bankrolling the Israeli occupation and gives I think $3 billion a year to the state of Israel or something like that. It’s always provided diplomatic cover for Israel at the United Nations through the veto at the UN Security Council. So, Palestinians have always been denied any route towards justice, whether it be in the Israeli court system or at the UN level. And, even when people attempted to put Ariel Sharon on trial for his role in the Sabra and Shatila massacres, basically the United States bullied Belgium into changing its universal jurisdiction laws, saying that NATO headquarters will be pulled out of Brussels if the court case moved forward. So, nobody has been held accountable for that grave injustice that happened in 1982.
Now, it’s United States policy to help Israel combat what it calls the de-legitimization of Israel and we’ve seen this—Obama has said this is state policy and the US State Dept through one of its spokespersons reiterated this last month. And, we see this through the US government scuttling the Goldstone Report at the UN and through preventing any kind of accountability for the Mavi Marmara massacre at the UN, even though a US citizen was executed by Israeli forces during that attack. And, now of course, with Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project and the material support laws regarding material support for foreign terrorist organizations, we’re seeing how these counterterrorism tools are being used to try to criminalize people doing solidarity work with Palestinians in the United States.
The investigation for which I’ve been subpoenaed for is an illustration of this. I think it’s going to fan out further now that the US State Department was warning activists who were participating in the US Boat to Gaza that they could potentially be prosecuted under the material support laws for their participation in the flotilla. Their bogus argument is that they are providing material support for Hamas by participating in the flotilla, even though the flotilla really wasn’t about humanitarian assistance but it was about breaking the siege on Gaza—the siege that has been imposed in partnership with the United States.
GOSZTOLA: I’d like you to address one talking point that has been coming from the State Dept, not because it’s legitimate but because it’s being used to go up against people who are trying take on the delivery of humanitarian aid to Gaza and that’s namely that we’ve had State Dept spokesperson Nuland saying there are ways for humanitarian aid to be delivered so in that case because there are countries involved perhaps there shouldn’t be independent organizations delivering aid. Just in describing her language I already have a tough time repeating it because it’s so fraudulent. Can you speak to her argument?
MURPHY: The US government knows that the people doing these kind of solidarity direct actions are not bringing in any kind of aid that’s going to — It’s symbolic. It’s an act of solidarity so it’s just totally a false and disingenuous on the part of the State Dept. And, we’ve also seen in the past how Palestinian community organizers have been put in prison because of their work giving more than symbolic assistance to the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation.
So, it’s just really cynical and it’s completely unjust that the US government will fund the occupation, fund the Israeli military, provide the white phosphorous bombs that were used against Palestinians and Gaza and meanwhile say that they are going to prosecute and put in jail people who give money to the Palestinians who are trying to survive under Israeli occupation. And so the five men who were associated with the Holy Land Foundation, some of them are serving out sentences as long as sixty-five years in prison in the United States because they were giving direct assistance to charities in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. And, I think it’s not up to the US government who, when and how people should be giving humanitarian assistance especially when the US government has played such a terrible role in creating the situation the first place that has resulted in people needing humanitarian assistance.



65 Comments

I’m a big fan of EI and Maureen’s work, but I think Maureen’s analysis leaves out a crucial issue–a large portion of the Knesset, the centrists and liberals, voted against this legislation. It was not overwhelmingly passed, and, like other legislation that targets Israeli civil society and institutions, it will engender an immediate backlash that has nothing to do with Israel’s occupation.
I’ve seen this occur over and over. In a country with parties that have even fewer differences on foreign policy than the US, their biggest fights have to occur on these kinds of battlefields–the right against the left on superficial issues of civil liberties. This law will almost certainly be thrown out, it will be declared a victory for Israeli democracy. The “left/liberal” parties that voted against the bill, almost certainly do not support boycotts, nor do they support even the most minimal two state bantustan solution.
O/T and late…but Congratulations and Good Luck, Jeff and Kevin! I’m looking forward to reading your timely and well informed work, here.
47 to 38 in a 120 seat body – political fear seems at work
The polls show the Israeli public is against this, even with the kinder wording put in the law that passed of allowing only a small fine for “boycotts based on “geography” ”
Meanwhile a bit of “on the other hand” might be useful for this posting since NABKA is an “in your face – lets fight” concept much like Orange Day in Belfast, or the old KKK “days” in the south – it is not Black History Month.
Also the Gaza blockade breakers under most interpretations of international law (by those outside of their own group) are committing an act of war against Israel by entering on the side of one belligerent against the other – using the word “humanitarian” changes nothing about blockade breaking . That the FBI is toning down their investigation to just “providing material support for a terrorist organization – Hamas” could be viewed as moderation.
I believe that a two state solution based on TABA should be the US left’s “solidarity” position – with scorn heap on Bibi when he does so little to get there, and with scorn for the west bank settlers who put subsidized housing ahead of what is good for the State of Israel. I do not see the need for everyone in the US left to support a blockade breaking that some see as counter-productive at the very least (although I am aware that in the EU left non-support for the blockade breaking is an apostasy that gets you banned for life).
But of course YMMV
A pro palestinian interviews a pro palestinian.
White phosphorus bombs? No mention of hundreds of rockets fired at Iraeli civilians, or multiple invasions since 1947 by Jordan, Egypt and Syria to murder every citizen in the only Democratic country in the region.
Papau. I go back and forth on this. On the one hand, I’m pretty confident that a two state solution won’t solve the issue. Israel has wanted a two state solution since the inception of Oslo because it gives Israel everything it gets from the occupation, without the headache of the colonial occupation. On the other hand, a one state solution is a pretty distant option, though one I think that is inevitable, given the corner Israel has painted itself into. It sounds odd to the uninformed ear, and the energy on the Palestinian side hasn’t quite gotten there, as a civil rights movement, I mean. Though I think it’s close. At this point, I think advocacy for Palestinians and focus on Israeli policies needn’t specify the end goal. The issue is a tough one, and there’s been no movement, except negative movement, for decades. I would reject a return to negotiations, if that actually occurs, however. That’s never going to be the answer. We’re miles from there, at the moment, anyway. So we can all work from a similar page for the most part.
…NABKA is an “in your face – lets fight” concept much like Orange Day in Belfast, or the old KKK “days” in the south…
What pray tell would you call ‘Jerusalem Day’ then, Papau…? Hmm….?
…or multiple invasions since 1947 by Jordan, Egypt and Syria to murder every citizen… Are you high…? 8-(
The 4th of July? Yom Yerushalayim – the day the city was reunited. A day of prayer. The day Jewish and Christian access to the holy sites inside the old walled city was restored? The day of memorial services for soldiers who died in the battle for Jerusalem, of parades through downtown Jerusalem, of reciting the Hallel prayer with blessings in synagogues, and saying the Pesukei Dezimra of Sabbath and High Holidays. The day of lectures on Jerusalem-related topics, singing and dancing, and special television programming. A day, June 1st, when Schoolchildren throughout the country learn about the significance of Jerusalem, and schools in Jerusalem hold festive assemblies. A day Palestinians protest.
But I understand about being on the losing side. In the US being Tory in 1790 in New England was not pleasant, leading to the movement to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
I just do not like in your face parades and folks in the streets in anger. And I do not see the Orange day anger in the Yom Yerushalayim festival.
I agree as to the frustration, but not the analysis. Israel gives up what it thinks makes it more secure in any 2 state solution – it does not get all that it wants – TABA says the vast majority of those West Bank settlements go back to Palestinian control.
The idea of no negotiations until we can demand a single state under Arab rule seems a way to massive war and bloodshed. Never Again is the reason for the atom bombs that take out all the capitals in the area, including Jerusalem, if we ever get close to no Jewish state.
Yeah, Israelis have their own media and the US media to tell their side of the story. I’ll write and do the interviews with the people I want and not bow to anyone who tells me to do different.
And I do not see the Orange day anger in the Yom Yerushalayim festival.
Ya wanna bet…?
Thousands of Israeli youth chant ‘Mohammad is Dead’ – June 4, 2011, In Jerusalem…! Real classy, eh…?
Here’s some Jerusalem Day “in your face” Orange Day style anger by Israelis in East Jerusalem.
“Death to the Arabs” and “Butcher the Arabs” start at c. 45 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Qsapnz_n4
Are we Israel’s colony normally oppressive regime’s take away your rights when you advocate change in their country.
TABA says the vast majority of those West Bank settlements go back to Palestinian control.
Where will all those Rightwing Settlers go then…? Back to Eastern Europe/Russia…?
Yep – Jerusalem Day was such a wholesome experience in 2011, wasn’t it my friend. All those screaming goons in white shirts, shouting “Butcher the Arabs,” “May your village burn,” and “Death to Leftists” had snark tags attached to every exaltation, didn’t they? They really meant no harm, right?
Black history month Nakba certainly is not. Perhaps had we forcibly expelled 3 million blacks from all over the country, particularly the deep south, to Haiti, between April and September 1865, performing a few massacres here and there to help speed the process along, then moved former Confederate soldiers into the expelled peoples’ homes, there might be an equivalent place in American history to Nakba Day.
Regarding the anti-BDS legislation that just passed, it is being opposed, and will likely go before the Israeli SC, but how soon that might be expedited is not at all clear. And the far right intends to use that fight to gain changes in how new SC members are vetted and chosen.
The facts remain that settler construction and state/settler seizure of Palestinian land and water in the West Bank has accelerated sharply in 2011, as has violence against Palestinians there by settlers.
My view on the anti-BDS legislation – it outlaws being a true Gandhi, possibly thereby channeling anti-Zionist expansion activists back toward violence, which would be horrible.
Thanks for the post/interview, Kevin and Maureen.
A single pro-Israel piece on FDL? Not possible.
Same thing with TYT.
Quite sad.
Please write it, Jim. If you need help on how to write a MyFiredoglake diary, I’d be happy to help you in any way. If you signify that here in the comments, I’ll find a way to get you my email address.
regards
Wouldn’t waste my time. Not on this site.
Particularly since most American farm kids have the raw materials to put together far more powerful “rockets” than what gets lobbed at the illegal Israeli settlements.
If the unslanted facts are on your side, you shouldn’t fear writing them up.
No such thing when you’re dealing with massive preexisting bias.
Thanks to you and CT for your reply to papau. I was surprised to read that sanitized version of Jerusalem Day.
My question to you is why would they. Israels right to this land is questionable at best. There, obviously, are many reasons to say this, which I can empirically provide if asked.
The preexisting bias has to be tied to facts as people here seem to be well informed. It is you who should put forth a better argument.
I’m appalled at your lack of faith in what honest ideas can do when posted as a blog diary. Is it that you feel you will be attacked ad hominem? Or do you feel self conscious about your writing abilities. Many people who turn out to be very good essayists had self doubts before they “made the plunge”?
As to “preexisting biases,” I was heavily biased toward Israel, until, in late 1982, I attended an event in Seattle where art was shown by kids who had recently been orphaned in Shatila and Sabra near Beirut. I met several Palestinians then and got to know the story from their side, rather than from the side of my many Jewish friends who had been to Israel.
Do you know or correspond with any people from the Palestinian American community? If you don’t, may I suggest you reach out and try to discover the richness of ideas, the often intense disagreements and vital family stories I have come to know over the past 29 years.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=4987…this from an Isreali
And to answer a silly question, the one used against all criticism is;
“No, I am not anti-semitic.” If I was I would have to include all Arabic peoples in that statement. I am anti butchery..coming from anyone, anyplace, any people.
Can’t really debate people who are unwilling to keep perspective of the fact that Arabs (Palestinians) have been trying to wipe Israel off the map since 1948. ‘Palestinians’ have turned down two legitimate offers of a separate Palestinian State. I’ll let you decide why.
Ok, Ed. But the fact is, all of the supposed ‘progressive’ outlets like FDL and TYT are universally anti-Israel. Considering the history of Israel and the non-stop attempts to wipe to wipe it off the face of the Earth since the 40′s, one might expect Liberals like Hamsher to run at least a few pro-Israel pieces to keep things in perspective. Unfortunately, she seems to be aligned with people like C Ugyur, which sadly makes me lose nearly all respect for both of them.
If Palestinians fires rockets into an area that has been stolen from them, there is no crime. Nice megaphone you have there MR. AIPAC.
There is a set of rules to being a sanctioned liberal in the U.S. One of them is to pretend that the Palestinians are perfect and the Israelis are colonists, with some qualifications like all Israelis aren’t bad, and some Palestinians blow themselves up in restaurants because they are oppressed.
One commentator here actually had the audacity to say that American farmers could make better missiles than Hamas. Such moronic statements destroy the hope of intelligent historical discussion, and such discourse is instead replaced with insanity like “Israels right to this land is questionable at best.”
And, Jim, I wonder why the facts always seem to have a “pre-existing bias” against Israel. Perhaps, we should rely less on them and then it would be much easier to write about Israel favorably.
Your analysis is ridiculous. FDL and other progressive sites are not anti-Israel, they are opposed to the policies of the hardline, hypocritical, anti-semitic Zionist government currently ruling Israel.
Rockets are not fired from Hamas into the West Bank, but into Israel itself, killing Jews and Arab citizens. Would you tell us that the Jews didn’t deserve their homes in Germany, even though they bought them? Or that Jews in Israel should go back to Europe – another poster.
A lot of hate against “those people.” Do you all wear pointed hats?
Yep. There is only one logical conclusion as to why, but I won’t say it here.
My analysis is spot-on. The predictable ‘Zionist’ diatribe proves it beyond a shadow of doubt.
Jim, why don’t you do us all a favor, and immediately cease wasting your time, and ours, on this site? Just pack up your bias and leave.
Whose writings would you recommend for posting here?
Orwell would be proud.
Who does get it right, Jim? I have this space to cover the issue of people who want to engage in activism being repressed or suppressed. I can call up someone and ask why this is happening and if this is happening.
Who should I talk so I can better represent the story here? I gave Maureen a platform, which for the record US media won’t typically give to Palestinian solidarity activists ever. But, you’ve raised a fuss and this other guy is alleging we are anti-Semitic (as most Israel-has-a-right-to-defend-itself-against-Hamas wind-up dolls often do).
So, who should I talk to? Name names.
And you are an inspiration to the deaf, dumb, and blind bigots of the world.
Read some history?
Newspeak at it’s finest.
Please, Jim, do. Or do you merely want to continue to play games?
Listen to whomever you want. I read history.
“as most Israel-has-a-right-to-defend-itself-against-Hamas wind-up dolls often do). ”
So, they have no right to defend themselves? They should have let themselves be murdered in invasions by Arab armies? Just shut up and die? Stand by the pit and get a bullet in the head?
Please name the books you read this history from. Most of us here really like to read books.
And, I think it’s not up to the US government who, when and how people should be giving humanitarian assistance especially when the US government has played such a terrible role in creating the situation the first place that has resulted in people needing humanitarian assistance.Maureen Murphy
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NOTE;Evidently the mindset of criminalizing kindness is alive and well ,here,in the US,also.
The bible doesn’t qualify as history, and you stated earlier, @21, that a “massive preexisting bias” is keeping you from writing and publishing an article at FDL. Perhaps you could suppress your preexisting bias long enough to write a factual, non-biased article. This article recounts facts. It is neither pro or anti Israel. The bias is yours.
You seem to have an advanced degree in willful ignorance. Tunnel thinking will do that to you.
Homeland: The Illustrated History of the State of Israel by Marv Wolfman would be an even-handed book for those with little knowledge of Israel.
high on sectarian hate
no, kindness is OK…but not when it threatens ( no matter how remotely) profits…i mean, the entire raison d’etre and sum total justification for human consciousness is the profit motive within the context of american “free market” capitalism, right?
the “illustrated history” of Isreal? you cant be Jewsih. Jewish people can read.You be one of those xtian fundy “zionists”… who look at “illustrated” bibles, and histories, and so forth.
“you cant be Jewsih.”
I confess – not “Jewsih.”
Thought we were commenting on Israel, not “Jewish people.”
I’ve seen the book at B&N, thumbed through it and thought it was somewhat shallow and inaccurate. It struck me that some of its early Biblical history narrative was at odds with scholars such as Yuvel Goren and Israel Finkelstein.
The narrative of the period between the last nine months of the League Mandate and the Armistice is directly in contradiction to accepted assertions and study by both Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe. The description of the lead-up to the initiation of Israeli hostilities in the 6-Day War might even be considered to be at odds with the work of Michael Oren in his history of the Six-Day War.
Why do you think a comic book that is at odds with the work of so many prominent Israeli academics is “even-handed”? Were you attempting to mock fdl Dissenter readers, by suggesting a somewhat discredited children’s book for us? I missed the snark tag, my friend.
I cannot find a definitive review of The Illustrated History of the State of Israel, but at Homeland’s purchase site for it, where it averaged 2.5 stars out of 5, two reviewers wrote:
“the book early on acknowledges it’s bias and that it will speak from an Israeli perspective,” which directly counters your claim,
and “Strange. Very Zionist. The style of the art is a little silly for the subject matter,” which probably relates to the look of the book – as if some out-of-work illustrator for Jehovah’s Witness Watchtower pamphlets had been hired at a discount.
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
John Kenneth Galbraith quotes
“the messiah is coming” is the chant I heard – plus a student saying they should not walk through Palestinian areas next year
About 2000 students in the video – some acting like asses and indeed saying Mohammad is dead.
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/israel-s-boycott-law-the-quiet-sound-of-going-fascist-1.372881
Looks like the Israeli Courts are expected to strike down the law.
i would call it fact not insanity. what is there right to this land. I would ask that you do a little more reading on the subject. Maybe like a lot people, including me at times, you are selective in what you believe, not letting the facts get in the way of what you want to believe.
For instance read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
They could have gone anywhere. But mark my words, they would have made it hell on earth wherever they went… and no, not the jewish people but the Zionists, who for all intents and purposes are not necessarily jewish.
So before you comment do a little research and quit insulting me. I am insane, no doubt here. I must be, to go along with what is done in the name of peace, freedom and democracy……i.e butchery over there and loss of democracy over here. I actually believed that electing a man like Obama would change things..how foolish of me.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7583068695399420526
There is much more.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7583068695399420526
You have insulted me as if I know nothing about anything
When I tried to edit the above I lost all the double space and it looks confusing..sorry
ha ha I give up now
No..I want you to explain all of it with facts. I’ll bet you can’t
The thing that frustrated me most about the interchange in the comments to Kevin’s post here has been that those commenting here claiming Kevin’s viewpoint to be “anti-Israel” almost exclusively avoided discussing what was brought up in the post itself in a meaningful way. Even papau, who I have come to respect a lot, seemed to minimize how groundbreaking the Israeli legal system’s annexation of the illegal settlements into the corpus of future Israeli law at the same time it all but criminalized speaking out against that in ways that could be construed to be financially meaningful, seemed to miss the points brought out in Kevin’s interview with Maureen Murphy.
Check Amazon. It’s an American company that sells books to Americans.
A quote from your suggested website http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
proves the insanity of your sources:
IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER’S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.
Auschwitz But it doesn’t end there. It wasn’t enough for the Zionist leaders to have aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal contempt for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their extermination. Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had informed them would cause havoc, was not enough for them. They made an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to incite the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler. They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented World Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People??
Seem crazy? Maybe, not to you…but really, the six million Jews did it to themselves?
Seems like there are extreme religious Jewish folks, but they are the ones opposed to Israel. I am sure you can find Arabs who hate Saudi Arabia.
“They could have gone anywhere. But mark my words, they would have made it hell on earth wherever they went… and no, not the jewish people but the Zionists, who for all intents and purposes are not necessarily jewish.”
You proclaim oddly that those millions of people in Israel are not necessarily “jewish” (lowercase?).
Are you suggesting they are Catholic, Protestant, Hindu? Get a clue – it’s a religion, and even you can become Jewish, just convert after some studies and acceptance of the true faith.
Jews don’t put you on the rack to confess you are Jewish. Jews don’t build gas chambers to kill nonbelievers. Jews don’t kill 20 million in religious pograms.
Jews accept converts who are Chinese, Irish, Black and Arab, because Judaism is a religion, not a race to be exterminated in the guise of taking over a sliver of land that has become a cinder in the eye of Jew haters everywhere..