
Birmingham – Tuesday (photo: Beacon Radio)
Riots have gripped London for the past four nights and, as communities attempt to clean up, there is increased tension and the possibility of more property damage.
Last night, a Sony warehouse was destroyed in a blazing fire. BBC News broadcast images, which would elicit a visceral reaction from anyone who saw the footage. Flames and smoke billowed out of the warehouse as a broadcaster interviewed people on the violent hooliganism in London. For the most part, the underlying sociopolitical factors in the UK, which likely touched off the chain of events the world has witnessed over the past days, was not addressed. The conversation centers on restoring law and order.
News organizations reported UK Prime Minister David Cameron, who “abruptly” returned from his vacation in Italy, said after a meeting at Downing Street court processes will be “sped up to ensure swift justice for those involved in ‘sickening scenes of people looting, vandalizing, thieving, robbing,’ many of them apparently teenagers.” Acting chief constable of the Metropolitan police, Tim Godwin, asserts, “We will make sure that the stuff that we have seen come off the back of this—which is pure criminality, opportunistic criminality—is dealt with firmly and robustly.”
The sanctimoniousness of such statements is likely lost on most on the elites and those in the UK government. As Laurie Penny writes in a post on her blog Penny Red:
…In the scramble to comprehend the riots, every single commentator has opened with a ritual condemnation of the violence, as if it were in any doubt that arson, muggings and lootings are ugly occurrences. That much should be obvious to anyone who is watching Croydon burn down on the BBC right now. David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, called the disorder ‘mindless, mindless’. Nick Clegg denounced it as ‘needless, opportunistic theft and violence’. Speaking from his Tuscan holiday villa, Prime Minister David Cameron – who has finally decided to return home to take charge – declared simply that the social unrest searing through the poorest boroughs in the country was “utterly unacceptable.” The violence on the streets is being dismissed as ‘pure criminality,’ as the work of a ‘violent minority’, as ‘opportunism.’ This is madly insufficient. It is no way to talk about viral civil unrest. Angry young people with nothing to do and little to lose are turning on their own communities, and they cannot be stopped, and they know it. Tonight, in one of the greatest cities in the world, society is ripping itself apart…
What seems lost on those in power is their role in triggering the riots—how the UK coalition government’s assault on the middle class, working class, students, school children, the working poor, the unemployed, the disabled and everyone else who does not count themselves as rich or super-rich ultimately led to this eruption of arson, muggings and looting.
Severe spending cuts for higher education, tuition subsidies and assistance for those attending English universities went into effect in December last year. The cuts may not have been carried out by people who broke the glass on storefronts in Brixton and Enfield but this state-sanctioned looting could easily be characterized as “opportunistic” criminal behavior. The government saw an opportunity to fix the economy without applying pressure to those responsible for the economic crisis and made the most vulnerable pay instead.
In the past year, there has been a state sanctioned thieving of funding for public services, such as housing assistance, disability assistance, community outreach programs and health care. There has been vandalism of government programs dear to those in the direst economic situations. And, if you ask those who are rioting, they would likely tell you they have been hit just as hard as anyone in the UK by the austerity measures that have been imposed on society.
UK Uncut, a group that formed in response to the push by the UK government to impose cuts, has done its best to educate UK citizens on true economic reality in the UK. If the government were to clamp down on tax dodging by corporations and the rich, an estimated £95bn a year could be put toward funding public services. Last year, banks in the UK paid out £7bn in bonuses. Four banks made £24bn in profit. If banks were made to pay for the economic crisis they created, that would go a long way toward preserving and growing the social safety net.
The UK government along with banks and corporations conspired to cut programs that have the capacity to prevent people from rioting in the streets, to keep people from feeling like all is hopeless, like society is stacked up against them and they have must act out to get someone to pay attention to their needs or go out and claim what they fear they will never be able to afford.
In 2010, a National Equality panel reported the richest in the UK are now “more than 100 times as wealthy as the poorest 10% of society.” When chief executives and bankers were figured, the wealth gap was “even more stark.” The panel concluded the large gap that has existed since at least the 1980s has not been reversed. The deepening divide between the haves and have nots precipitated many, many protests over the past months. None appear to have had much impact on the government’s decision to cut public services.
In a video produced in the final week of July by The Guardian, teenagers from the area react to the Haringey council’s decision to shut 13 youth clubs. They tell The Guardian the clubs were a place for youth to go when they wanted something to do. Youth could make music and produce videos. People went to the youth clubs every day, but now they are out in the streets. Police are pulling youth over for stop and searches and gangs are out running into each other and getting into fights. The report closes with one teenager saying, “There’ll be riots.”
A chilling interview with one youth from an NBC News report has been circulating. A television reporter asks, “Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?” The young man responds, “You wouldn’t be talking to me now if we didn’t riot, would you?” The TV reporter doesn’t have anything to say to that. So, the young man continues:
Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you.
Another issue that is believed to have touched off the riots can be detected in the shooting of a black man, Mark Duggan, by police. His death is believed to have touched off much of the rioting. And, as a local explains in a video, 150 people went to a police station in Tottenham to get some answers on what happened. The protest began peacefully. The police ignored the protesters and treated them with “contempt,” but for the most part there was little tension. Then, a young 16-year old girl approached the police to get them to provide some information. The police drew their batons and pushed at her and the people protesting retaliated.
Three hundred and thirty-three people have died at the hands of police in the last eleven years. But, no officer has been found guilty of any crimes. This finding, which was part of a report by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), led the IPCC to conclude “juries quite often find it difficult to convict police officers.”
The lack of justice for crimes committed by police, such as murder, unsurprisingly creates revulsion in communities. The perception that all citizens do not have equal protection under the law breeds resentment and anger.
Another police practice that breeds resentment in many of the communities with youth rioting are “stop and searches.” StopWatch, a UK group working with communities, ministers, policy makers and senior police officers to ensure that police reforms are fair and inclusive, has called the stop and search powers used by the UK police a “wedge between communities and the police.” In October 2010, the group released findings from research conducted that showed the use of the powers against black people was disproportionate. African-Caribbean people were twenty-six times more likely to be stopped under section 60.
US civil rights leader Jesse Jackson called the findings a “moral outrage.” He charged, “It is racial profiling. It’s as fundamental as that. It is based on sight, suspicion and fear. It’s a systematic pattern. In the US it is called driving while black. In Arizona it is called driving while Latino.”
It was possible to see that riots were coming. They should not be dismissed as some action that is not political. The destruction being witnessed on the streets of London can be regarded as a response to the growing destruction of government programs and services the poor, working and middle class in the UK had come to depend upon. Hundreds of thousands of people tried to protest and defend their communities, but many youth have grown deeply cynical and disillusioned.
Violence of this nature is indefensible, but as Martin Luther King Jr, “A riot is the language of the unheard.” This is the response to a society where police single out “specific areas and individuals for monitoring, stop and search and daily harassment.” This is what happens in society when government refuses to tax the rich, make banks and corporations pay their fair share or cut investment in defense and military programs. And, the tension in society will only increase so long as government fails to address the needs of the wider population.
If society is serious about preventing property destruction and violence, riots that bring a metropolis to its knees and test the defensive capabilities of police and firefighters, crimes committed by the most elite must face just as much punishment as those caught rioting will face in the coming days.
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BBC interview showing the disconnect between the elites and the most impoverished in the UK:



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Flog ‘em, Hang ‘em, are the hallmarks of the UK Tory Party.
Expect much of this and little of “Why did they suddenly do this”….
London Review of Books blog cites 1000+ deaths in police custody since 1990.
Thank god Iron Maiden Margaret isn’t still in power. There would be bodies all over the place.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Kevin Kosztola:
What is the condition of “old” Labor inside the “New” Labor Party…is there anything left of the left in the Labor Party or do the Brits hafta do what the Canadians have done with the NDP and we must do with a new progressive democratic party? It seems to me that the elites of all the established political parties among the western “democracies” are soon to experience the “Custer syndrome” that Democrats and Republicans are startin ta experience here: “Where the hell did all these pissed off Indians come from?”
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!!
Of course, we would never do that here . . .
Hooray for Norske. That made me laugh even though the comment was serious.
Hope all is well in Wisconsin today.
Was in London the summer of 2005, and while walking to Buckingham Palace with a large group of people, many police rode very large horses at a good pace right up next to the curb keeping people out of the street. It was effective but rather dangerous for us–especially children and the elderly. The police didn’t stop to help or offer direction. It seemed all about big power and crowd control for a situation that was already peaceful. Very pr!ckish I thought.
Just checked The Guardian and the riots are continuing tonight.
Are we next? New York, Detroit, Washington…..
The politicians in all countries had better start listening to the people they despise.
I think we’re a year away from this happening here. That’s what happens when the whole political system is bought by the elite. These cuts that are going to come out of Catfood II are not going to be accepted.
Obama thinks he can make a couple of flowery speeches and the American people will accept what he wants. It’s gone too far and going after those who don’t have a voice is not going to sit well with the American people. The entire founding of our democracy is based on protecting the powerless from the powerful. Whether it was the civil war, or the civil rights movement or the protest of the Vietnam War or what’s going on in Wisconsin tonight, eventually the powerless crush the powerful. This is only the beginning of the war against the elite.
I’ve been waiting for somebody to put these English “riots” in to the wider perspective. As somebody who lived though the Los Angeles rebellion of the early 90s you could feel it coming. The youth of Spain and the people of Greece have been trying to send a message but no one in power wanted to listen. They never do. See the Arab Spring for what can ultimately happen when they don’t. Neo-Liberalism and the austerity it spawns creates pressure cookers. Unless the “elites” change course soon expect more of this. I guess that’s why the big O kept and expanded Shrub’s security state. He and those that pull his puppet strings know this. The Clash may be the soundtrack to what is coming soon to a urban center near you. The current system of social organization has failed us. The sad thing is that many more people will be hurt before we have a chance to create a new one. If only the environment would give us a break and wait until we get our act together…
Too much condonation of the riots in America in the 1960′s by the left helped to pave the way for Richard Nixon. What does stealing TV sets have to do with correcting injustice towards black people? We dare not make that mistake again if it should spread here.
Throw a brick, go to jail. Use a briefcase gamble away untold amounts of cash at the big casino, then demand that the common folk make you whole by assuming your debts and then blame the public sector workers, national “leaders” allow you to continue your economic terrorism, and the world’s your oyster baby!
What would Joe Strummer say right about now?
The problem is that the disenfranchised have no other outlet. No one listens to them so they destroy what they think belongs to people who are a lot better off than they are. It’s not always true, but nothing seems to work for them.
I wonder if the Tea Baggers will come down on the side of the hated government the lazy poor.
If this continues the Tea Baggers will BE the poor. They won’t have protected themselves in any way because they believe the hogwash coming out of DC.
The politicians who are aiding and abetting financial fraud and terrorism by deregulating the banking system and imposing austerity on the country are the ones who belong in jail.
The complicit mainstream media and the politicians are full of $hit. Violence and looting on the streets is considered “criminality” and punishable with jail time while violence and looting through financial means is considered legal and rewarded with profits, dividends, and bonuses.
The UK banking system is inflicting far more damage on the UK and the world than the looters on the streets.
The oligarchy is leading the rioters & looters by example in a classic case of “do what we say, not what we do”. Grotesquely violent, opportunistic, for-profit wars, the shameless looting of our planet for the benefit of the already sick-rich, rampant consumerism and an uncaring unawareness for the misery inflicted.
Why is everyone handwringing & condemning the trickle-down rioters & looters, are they unable to appreciate who the real ringleaders are? It’s lovely that the community has come out to clean up the mess, but what about the larger mess? Where’s the clean-up crew to clear away the threat to our planet, the economic policies that have created a huge underclass, the assault on our democracies, the trauma, death & destruction of war, etc.?
People need to start making the connections between state violence in all its forms (against our own people as well as those abroad) and the current violence in the streets. We have taught these young people our values & tactics and they’ve learned the lessons very well indeed. Give them an A++.
Kevin, this is a superb analysis of what these riots are really all about. You’ve excelled yourself. Really.
And thanks for the video – though I’m not sure “thanks” is the right word. I’m appalled at the disrespect shown to Marcus Dowe by the BBC interviewer. He’s a prominent historian and social commentator, highly regarded and very astute, who did a 6-part TV series on UK black history from the arrival of the Windrush to the present day a few years ago. He knows what he’s talking about, and the points he was making in this interview are very, very valid. But all she was interested in was shutting him up. Appalling.
The website CrooksandLiars has been covering this extensively. The blogger Murshedz contacted a friend of his in London to get more info, and his friend Alex Smith replied, “Hard to deduce this could’ve happened in such extremes without years of breakdown in trust due to political, financial, media corruption.
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. I wonder how the British Government feels about the protestors in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. I suspect they’re being portrayed as heroes in the British Press. What goes around come around when you attack those you govern.
I heard a saying once:
Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
There will be, bodies, all over the place.
The Tories are in power.
At school one of the items on which we received training was riot control.
So let me get this right. You think the rich and the evil oppressive government need to be taken down and shown the power of the masses. But you riot in the streets of the middle and lower class, you loot and burn the local shopkeepers’ stores, and you trash the homes of your neighbors?
Yeah, that’s going to get everyone on your side. Reminds me of the people in New Orleans who, torn apart by Katrina, rioted, burned and destroyed their own neighborhoods. Tragic, and it accomplished nothing.
It’s not okay to set fires and loot but when you let the pressure build, something is going to happen. Every time.
You must have heard it said by John F. Kennedy.
I’ve been saying this for years, as I’ve watched the plutocrats and oligarchs strip-search America and demand total control:
There’s nothing more dangerous than someone who has nothing left to lose.
And if you’ve ever been caught up in an event that suddenly turned into a riot, it’s the most frightening experience you’ll ever have — there is no thought, no rationale, no kindness or compassion; just raw power, executed in whatever way possible; beatings, arson. A volcano of rage.
That is quite chilling.
So deplore the comments of the poster above who talked about passing the ammunition?
And how about this hack quoting MLK, Jr. to somehow justify these riots? I find that pretty reprehensible.
http://crooksandliars.com/murshedz/london-burning-toxic-mix-social-depravati
We can deplore 24/7 and it won’t make the lives of these people any better. I think the saying is “it’s better to light a candle than curse the darkness.”
And lighting a candle to torch your neighbor’s home is deplorable. It’s not romantic, it’s not admirable, and it’s not going to advance their cause, is it?
This halfwit TV personality is a joke.
Be civil?
You first.
There’s more of us than there are of them, including all their pawns.
They F up their business, then steal from us. They the world economy, use their bought off politicians to steal from us, and then continue to steal from us. And they say be civil? You first.
They say we caused this mess. Really, do tell how? They say Wall Street is innocent. Innocent mistakes? Really, do tell how?
They ask us to be civil?
They steal from us. They steal our homes, our jobs, and our futures. And they say be civil?
They steal our future and those of our children. And they say be civil?
Do they even know what the Fing word means???
They destroy our environment and poison it.
They poison us.
All for the almighty dollar.
And they say be civil.
You want civility, you got it. I will give you YOUR civility.
Push people down. Stomp on them. Get their thugs, who are supposed to protect and serve all, to beat us, ignore us, and violate our rights.
And they want US to be civil?
Ya, I got your civility right here.
When you back people into a corner, what the F did you expect?
When the rich and corporations break the laws and poison the world and us and are actually rewarded for it, is that what they mean by civil?
When they start another endless war murdering UNARMED CIVILIANS and their freedom fighters, is that what they mean by civil?
When they steal our rights and treat us like criminals, is that what they mean by civil?
Well, OK, as much as it goes against my nature, I too can be THEIR civil.
America is a sleeping giant. But not in the way they think.
And when it wakes, it will be all manner of THEIR civil.
Try to understand what I’m saying. I don’t approve of what they rioters are doing. I’m simply saying that it could have been predicted when people are poor, unemployed and hopeless. Doesn’t make it right but it’s their way of showing that they are fed up. Do I think it will help their cause – not in today’s world.
@happytosharebutdamn Somehow you interpreted my interrogation of what I consider to be reality as a condoning of violence.
“You wouldn’t be talking to me now if we didn’t riot, would you?”
Walk a mile in his shoes and then see what you think.
They will not go quietly in to that soft night.
Not with a whimper.
You can deplore the violence. But if you don’t even mention once what they are going through, then you are as blind and willfully ignorant as the BBC halfwit.
Do you honestly think that attacking them will go unchallenged?
Do you think attacking a 16 year old, who just wants questions answered, will go unchallenged?
Do you think stripping of dignity will make them give up their own morality?
How long do you think you can starve a man before he says no?
How long do you think you can starve a man’s family before he says no?
Many like you probably wish “those people” would go somewhere quiet and die and not bother the “decent” folk. People won’t live on their knees. Buy as many corrupt politicians you want. Buy as many police officers you want. Buy the whole darn military if you want.
It will NOT be enough.
not me
Not really. But quoting MLK Jr. especially THIS WEEK is pretty tragic.
I am not going to take responsibility for you missing the point
You forgot “the answer my friends, is blowing in the wind”.
The royalty would do well to remember that.
Sorry Kevin, if I messed up your post.
Not sorry for what I said though.
Of course not. If anything, MLK Jr. preached non-violence. I wish that you have done the same.
Peace won’t work with violent amoral sociopaths.
Geez, you don’t give up, do you? No one is condoning violence. What you are saying is that if you’re facing an angry tiger, try to talk it down. Good luck with that.
You did nothing wrong
Good because no insult was meant to you. And I’m glad none was taken.
This is NOT just some looters.
There is a lot more to this. And by focusing on this one part (not you), is beyond myopic. It’s willfully ignorant (not you). And it says these people and their issues do NOT matter (not you).
You can only push people so far. And if their response is not civil enough, then looking at the bigger picture shows why. Why should they be civil, when those at the top are not.
They loot? Well the banksters and the bought politicians stole trillions and trillions. Destroyed the world economy. And were rewarded by politicians they bought.
Tolerance for intolerance is nonsense.
Civility for their inhumane and uncivil actions is not appropriate.
If they write the laws do destroy us, and they expect civility, then they got another thing coming and they are delusional.
Once again, no offense meant to you. And most of what I said is not meant at you.
And the violent amoral sociopaths took to the streets, didn’t they?
Your kind would know.
Man, you totally freaking missed the point, didn’t you? They didn’t shoot the damned tiger! They shot THEMSELVES! If you’re going to start a war, you don’t do it in your own backyard.
I don’t think violence is the answer to this question. But they sure freakin’ stepped in it, didn’t they? You think that the upper crust is shaking in their boots because the scum of the UK trashed their own hoods? Really?
Jesus Christ, wake up. These idiots just set back their cause by a decade. Who is going to care about a bunch of protesters who don’t even have the sense to unzip their pants before pissing on themselves?
The only scum in the UK are the banksters, the politicians, and their pawns.
Call them any name you like. You don’t know them and never will.
“Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”
— Frederick Douglass
“Sh*t! My neighbor just torched the store where I invested my life’s savings! What the hell am I going to do to support my family now??”
- Local Tottenham shopkeeper
Well said.
The amoral sociopaths always talk about civility while they steal and kill, always assuming that just because we are not sociopaths that we will not fight back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoq-wqZxg
and I must also include my favorite Clash song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXxdAIFVcAM
It’s hard for me to really fully join in with the concern for the damages inflicted by rioters in the context of a doomed society. When global warming ruins crops nearly everywhere and spreads famine across the planet, present-day concerns about a few shops are going to seem quite trivial.
yeah, i’m sure that’s what the guy who just lost his house is thinking. “this is NOTHING compared to the fact that grain prices are skyrocketing. Hey, there’s Missus Molly’s new car. Let me go trash it in the name of the melting glaciers.”
Ask the bankers for a loan?
Approval or disapproval means nothing. The riots are happening and they will spread. Go read up on the French Revolution.
Once the animal is unleashed it won’t be contained again. It must wear itself out. This is basic survivalism and mob rule in action, a perverted form of justice for those who have nothing left to lose. Humans are animals, remember?
Condemn and rant all you want. It won’t change a thing for them or us. Power is being met with power and it is ugly, bloody, and dangerous as hell. That’s reality.
As long as the neoliberal consensus of global elites insists upon the forcible return of the masses to an eventual equilibrium in Victorian-style poverty in a world society which is doing nothing about the coming climate change death spiral, you’re going to get this. And nobody’s going to think about fkn “grain prices” when they’re starving to death. We’ve already had food riots.
Much like the innocent bystanders in any conflict, they are caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am praying for them all but your amazement at this shows either great inexperience or naievete. This happens daily somewhere in the world and has for time uncounted. Does that make it good? No. But it is who we all are. This kind of collateral damage has been happening in Iraq, Afghanistan, in encounters with police here in the good old USA this very summer. Didn’t you know? time to wake up!
The message is quite clear: They are saying that they played by the rules and were ignored and so now, as a result, there are no rules and they have broken the social contract. Societies only exist by the consent of those involved to abide by the rules. When there are differing rules and differing results for different groups the society begins to break down. When those at the botton realize they are nothing and have nothing they fear nothing and violent anarchy is the culmination.
This is not collateral damage. This is self-inflicted idiocy. It’s animals looking for any reason at all to show they really are animals. They should expect nothing less than to be treated as such.
I don’t feel sorry for them at all.
Somehow what you feel doesn’t register for them even. Amazing isn’t it — your being apalled and all and in high dudgeon because you are seeing the ugly side of humanity for the first time apparently. This is the part that made things like death marches and death camps and picnic lynchings and mass rapes possible. Your disapproval is good because it means you recognize how base it is. Maybe read “Lord of the Flies” and see what the author had to say about human nature when social norms disappear?
I can’t believe you’re still trawling here.
Don’t you have some Fox news talking points to write down?
Animals, huh?
I see people.
Funny how your kind always sees animals.
So quick to judge. So quick to talk about civility while your peeps are staling the Wisconsin election right now.
You are a sad and pathetic human being without an ounce of compassion and understanding.
The greatest punishment for your kind is to give you the world you so righteously want, ie. hell on earth.
Screw Britain. They’ve done almost as much damage with their “divine right to rule” and manifest destiny as religion has. Ever stop to think that this is part of their “spring”.
It’s a trawl.
Check out his comments/activity.
He thinks they are “animals” and “should expect nothing less than to be treated as such”.
Sociopath.
I watched a History Channel show today about the French Revolution. So a propos. You know who shared this clueless person’s attitude and indignation? The first ones to head to the guillotine. Not a good time to be self-righteous and condemnatory right now, I believe.
True.
But he’s a pawn. A paid pawn.
The royalty would never deign to talk to “common” people like us. They’re “better” than that.
All I can say is this is just a foreshadowing for things to come all over the world.
People can only be pushed so far.
So freaking LOL. I was parroting the “animals” comment in 57, dude. You can’t even see past your vision of me as a troll, can you.
Damn, but you’re predictable.
(Priscilla shrinks in the corner…)
See, tambereshall. when you have blood in your eyes, EVERTYHING looks red.
And I’M the partisan hack?
I have no reason to shrink anywhere. I stand by my words. This is an animalistic side of human nature. Is it warranted or just? The historians will make that call. But some of us have seen this coming for quite a while and have warned about the dangers. Unlike you, I don’t pretend that were I in the same circumstances that I could rise above it all by natural superiority.
I’ve been around for a long while and seen this ugly face of humanity before many times and I’ve seen it in pretty much every class and group there is so I know it’s human nature and that means all humans.
“It’s animals looking for any reason at all to show they really are animals. They should expect nothing less than to be treated as such.”
“They should expect nothing less than to be treated as such.”
That’s not parroting. That’s sick and twisted.
You need some serious therapy and a conscience.
Tambershall, meet Priscilla. Priscilla, Tambershall.
Cool. Let’s add Priscilla and make it group therapy!
Grey, Jack. The world is Grey. (I LOVE that line)
Treat them as animals and see what happens. Your smug assurance in laws and protections is sad. When the social contract goes down anarchy reigns. What you choose to ignore is that they don’t care how you treat them anymore. They’re long past that. They have nothing left to lose while you have everything to lose from your steadfast belief in the System. Good luck with that!
“I must remind you that starving a child is violence. Suppressing a culture is violence. Neglecting school children is violence. Punishing a mother and her family is violence. Discrimination against a working man is violence. Ghetto housing is violence. Ignoring medical need is violence. Contempt for poverty is violence.”
— Coretta Scott King
Such violence may not provoke the same visceral reaction that youths mugging people and then smashing a storefront window in will but shouldn’t it? Is it too bad that there is no imagery of something going up in flames that we can post to YouTube when a government lays waste to another program in a social safety net that people are more dependent upon?
Let me apologize up front.
But isn’t this the Fing problem.
They steal everything. Who cares if it’s leagal, ie. they bought a politician to wrote the law that when they steal it’s legal.
That’s not justice. It’s not social justice.
What they do and have done is at least a million times worse than all the rioters put together.
You have no idea at the rage building up. I talk to people there and elsewhere.
Pushing people into abject poverty is violence. And violence breeds more violence.
Sooner or later, we all have to take sides. And yes, that’s a simplistic view, but there it is.
I know what side I’m on.
Once again, apologies. No insult is meant.
I truly enjoy your diaries and thank you for keeping us informed.
I hope you are also following Israel with CTuttle and OhioGringo.
“A chilling interview with one youth from an NBC News report has been circulating. A television reporter asks, “Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?” The young man responds, “You wouldn’t be talking to me now if we didn’t riot, would you?” The TV reporter doesn’t have anything to say to that. So, the young man continues:
Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you.”
Really, really reminds of the riots in Cincinnati, 2001. I was there.
In the lead up to those riots fifteen black males under the age of 40 were killed by police or died in custody. Four did not possess or employ any weapons against police during the confrontations. Just as in London it was touched off by a black man Timothy Thomas, (19-year-old) killed by a white police officer (Steven Roach).
I remember at the time the local press and the mayor calling the rioters thugs and criminals. The rioters were charged and some did time, no police were ever convicted of anything.
Would not be surprised if in London the same thing occurs.
I hope the people who are planning the demonstrations in DC and NY understand that this could happen here. Crowds can move from being peaceful demonstrators to raging mobs quickly especially if the police over react. They may even provoke violence to discredit the demonstrations.
You can be certain that the Occupying Forces assembled in DC and NY will be primed for trouble after studing the uprising in England.
You really are clueless. Yeah destroying “their own neighborhoods” is stupid, sure. If they are going to engage in violence then what they should be doing is heading down to the financial district and dragging the MOTU out of their highrise offices and kicking their asses and then burning those buildings to the ground. And then to house of commons to do the same. But let me clue you in to two things… 1) when it gets to this stage there isn’t a whole lot of thought going into it, it’s mostly rage and 2) in most cases the authorities are perfectly willing to contain them by letting them “vent” in their own neighborhoods.
Go back and watch the post Rodney King verdict riots in LA. See where the police decided to draw the line. They basically didn’t attempt to stop any of it until it looked like the rioters might find their way to the where the rich and comfy reside and do business.
And as for Kevin using the King quote. It is absolutely applicable. The fact that you don’t understand why doesn’t change that.
Do you understand the meaning of the word “disenfranchised”? Seriously, go check a dictionary. Then ask yourself why you assume people in areas such as Tottenham, Hackney, Peckham – and plenty more – would protest in the same fashion as people who consider themselves part of an electorate?
They tried that way first. Zero attention paid to them. Zip. See also Lancelot @ 77 – best post on here so far.
More excellent work, Kevin.
A resident of Gloucester was interviewed on AJE last night. He said that one of the contributing reasons to the large number of youth rioting was the police policy of stop-and-ID that has branded all youth in these neighborhoods as potential criminals. And it was clear that it was age profiling as much as race profiling, which explains the large number of white youth rioting.
It very much is a matter of class discrimination by the police, among other bigotries.
Not sure why you feel any need to apologize. I think we’re in agreement.
Yes, stop-and-searches. The best way to explain it to Americans is probably to say that many youth from the most impoverished boroughs of London are treated like corner boys even when the police have no evidence of delinquent or criminal behavior and they have their person violated by an officer.
The BBC interview is horrible, racist and the most disrespectful display I have ever seen in my life.
I will never listen to the BBC again and will be writing NPR and PBS to stop showing BBC.
Absolutely disgusting.
Found this very perceptive comment in a UK newspaper about the complicity of the mainstream media, both in its dissemination of the official narrative about the riots (eg BBC clip provided by Kevin) and in its contribution to the underlying causes, particularly in recent weeks (see Murdoch phone-hacking/Met corruption revelations):
Great comment Arbed.
Thanks for your commments yesterday and today.
Make no mistake, they have been waging war on us for some time. They hoped to win quietly (psy ops cognitive dissonance for example) but that’s not going to happen now. You want to know the mind of our opponent? Read Tsun Tzu, Machiavelli, The Economist… They do.
If that happens the instigators will be privatized mercenaries. They ought not do that. It will be documented.