Thank you for your continued reports, Kevin.

Morning, peeps.

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
One arrest noise violation. Other two misconduct. Verified. Protesters at precinct one. #USDOR #takewallstreet
1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone

OT– “Ga. board denies clemency for Troy Davis” (SavannahNow.Com, Sept. 20, 2011)

From “Parole board denies clemency to Troy Davis” (Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Sept. 20, 2011):

“I am utterly shocked and disappointed at the failure of our justice system at all levels to correct a miscarriage of justice,” Brian Kammer, one of Davis’ attorneys, said Tuesday after the decision was announced.

Davis’ case has already taken more unexpected turns than just about any death-penalty case in Georgia history and his innocence claims have attracted international attention. Its resolution was postponed once again when the parole board late Monday announced it would not be making an immediate decision as to whether Davis should live or die.

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
JustiWedes in jailCell w two others.The2willBreleasedW summons soon. Not me yet. No charges. Pl share!! #OccupyWallStreet @davidgreaber
27 minutes ago via web

@DhaniBagels
Dhani Bagels
The video of this mornings arrests has been uploaded to YouTube channel: glassbeadian #occupywallstreet #ourwallstreet #usdor
36 minutes ago via Echofon

Catching up overnight

@DhaniBagels
Dhani Bagels
It’s raining here. We just covered everything under tarps and most of us are in ponchos. #occupywallstreet #ourwallstreet #usdor
6 minutes ago via Echofon

And, on a lighter note:

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
Construction workers who stopped in for breakfast said a bunch of girls in the park just look their tops off. You go girls! @sonyazink
48 minutes ago via txt

Uhh….complaining about student loan debt in the first vid? Really? No offense but if you can make the decision to actually attend college and fill out the application, you probably have the intellectual chops to figure out how a loan works.

Called Liberatos to donate a pie. No answer, will call back in a few minutes.

Boxturtle (My msg to Wall St. comes with pepperoni)

And we haz trollz!

Tell that to our Congresscritters, Rafe. Their student loans, as well as the loans of their immediate family, are forgiven.

Why not wipe the slate clean for the rest of our younger people right now? Allow them to start pumping more money back into the economy instead of into a financial institution that’s still refusing to lend?

Don’t think they open until 10:00 ET.

Tangential– “America’s costly war machine” (LATimes.Com, By Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz, Sept. 18, 2011)

Irony alert …

From “The Keystone Pipeline: Too Dirty for George W. Bush?” (CommonDreams.Org, by Brendan Smith and Jeremy Brecher, Sept. 19, 2011; my bold):

The Keystone XL pipeline, recently approved by the US State Department and awaiting President Obama’s declaration that it is in the “national interest,” will carry oil that is too dirty for the US government to buy — under legislation signed by George W. Bush!

In 2007, President Bush signed into law Section 526 of the Energy Independence and National Security Act of 2007. It prohibits the US government, which is the largest single fuel purchaser in the U.S., from using taxpayer dollars to purchase fuels that have a higher carbon footprint than conventional oil.

This little-known law is significant because Congress crafted it, in part, with the explicit intent to block the US from buying Canadian tar sands oil — considered the dirtiest oil on the planet. With President Obama currently debating whether to authorize the construction of the Keystone Pipeline — which will funnel tar sands oil from Alberta into the the US — and more than 1000 activists arrested in front of the White House last month in protest the pipeline, the issue has moved to the front and center of the climate debate in recent weeks.

Morning all.

@3 It seems that Nathan Deal wants to be Rick Perry. The continuation of the decision until today seems calculated to outflank the public protests in Atlanta instead of any internal conflict in the parole board. It also shortens the timeframe in which Deal can act and might be timed to rush Supreme Court intervention to the point that the execution becomes a state fait accompli.

Yes, expect a post from me on this shortly.

@OccupyWallStNYC
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Our proud marchers are headed toward wall street yet again, with strong #NYPD presence. #takewallstreet
49 seconds ago via Twitterrific

Thank you!

I’m still waiting to see today’s DemocracyNow.Org report for today.

For people in their teens and twenties now, if you don’t attend college, you’ll be lucky to work part-time at McDonald’s minimum wage the rest of your life. College, $30,000-$100,000 debt and a better shot at low paying management positions in retail, maybe even full time with health insurance!, who still don’t pay enough to raise a family and pay back the loans. The catch being, right now, those retail jobs don’t want to hire college graduates for starting positions (overqualifed, overeducated), and usually advance people from within to managers or from similar jobs. Hence, increasingly more unemployed college graduates and people who had a college education and years of experience who lost their jobs through no fault of their own who can’t get hired even in the lowest paying jobs for similar reasons.

“The pizza is 99% cheese and 1% pig.”

O_o Hey now isn’t that nice, way to get people to support you.

Arrests On Wall Street! Wow that sounded good. I thought that maybe AG Rip Van Holder had awakened from his slumber. But no. Just some dirty tax-paying peasants arrested for being in the vicinity of their much-betters.

Preaching to the choir, my friend, I hate the perks that Congress awards themselves as much as anyone, but that doesn’t excuse a private citizen from making informed decisions on how to spend their money, on education or anything else.

Are the numbers of people increasing? I am there in spirit, and I wish I could be there in person.

We want our revolution now!

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
At least 3 arrested in our spot. Jason denied medical treatment. Tight cuffs, bled on the ground.
2 minutes ago via txt

I understand and agree with you. My debts are my debts. I’ll honor them.

However, I can also understand all of these kids coming out of school with graduate degrees who can’t get a job for more than $12 an hour. Kids that have $100k+ in student loans, secured or otherwise, with monthly payments in the $500 range. They’ve got no way to make these payments because the degree they just earned doesn’t mean dick in this economy.

My wife got a state certificate in Substance Abuse Counseling and an AA in Social Services and we incurred $20,000 in debt through FAFSA. The payments come due next month at $196 per month. My wife’s last job before we moved to Texas? $12.48 an hour.

Now we have two incomes, mine significantly higher than hers, so we’ll be fine. But most folks coming out of college are a few years younger than us, single, and have a lot less wiggle room than we do.

It’s all well and good to say that people should have made informed adult decisions, but nobody told these kids that their degrees weren’t going to be worth the paper they were printed on when they reached the real world. This was never the case before, but it is now, and it’s fucked up and wrong.

So while I agree with you, and I own my debts as a matter of pride, I can also understand where these folks are coming from.

And fuck Congress.

@DhaniBagels
Dhani Bagels
THE NYPD JUST ATTEMTED TO RAID US! THEY CAME AT US WITH BATONS OUT PUSHING! NYPD CHIEF WAS THERE! #occupywallstreet #ourwallstreet #usdor
4 minutes ago via Echofon

More people slept there overnight than on Sunday night or Saturday night.

“The Keystone XL pipeline, recently approved by the US State Department and awaiting President Obama’s declaration that it is in the “national interest,” will carry oil that is too dirty for the US government to buy — under legislation signed by George W. Bush!”

Wow.
Another new low for Obummer to ‘achieve’ — if he approves of this disaster.

OT– “11th Circuit: Padilla’s Torture Doesn’t Merit a Big Downward Departure, Just Because We Said So” (EmptyWheel.Net, by emptywheel, Sept. 20, 2011)

“Where’s the federal plan to tackle crippling housing problem?” (McClatchy Newspapers, by Kevin G. Hall, Sept. 20, 2011)

I have to wonder if Obama’s recent speeches, now that he is in campaign mode, saying he’s going to get shit done and fight, is putting people in a passive, wait and see mode again. We need a bit more people out there to prevent the NYPD from making life complete hell it seems. It won’t be people’s dedication that kills the protest, but an oppressive police force serving the interests of the wealthy who are being protested.

Like I read somewhere else, it’s telling how screwed things are in the US that in a moderate/Democratic leaning city, the police has been far more aggressive and the locals are less willing to participate than in a state like Wisconsin, which was under a Tea Party-esque Republican, where the population is spread out over greater distance.

Just knowing NYC, it attracts people who want to “make it” or be around those who have and they’ve already accepted they’ll have to start out doing shitty work. 2 years isn’t long enough for many to realize they aren’t going anywhere, or that things were much better in terms of career options 10 years before (and before, crime aside). If they can’t find work, as many can’t, well, their ass is not going to be in NYC unless their family lives there or their family is filthy rich, in which case the could care less and more than likely their parents have connections that will help them out.

I can understand the frustration too, but I’ll lay the blame on the students and the institutions they chose; the so-called “education bubble” is very real and too many people were sold a false bill of goods about their employment chances after graduation.

But I’m also a believer in personal responsibility and choice management. If I wanted to be a medical doctor but couldn’t afford the tuition, I would work my way towards it slowly. If that meant having to be a blue collar guy for a few more years then so be it. That’s how things work, you make plans and then life happens.

Don’t get me wrong, I complain about crap as much as anyone but I’m still the responsible party in the end.

And yeah, Eff Congress.

Kinda looks like the both the USG and the CanadianG have gotten more corrupt in only less than four years, doesn’t it?

Rafe, I believe we genuinely agree on something for once. If it was still International Talk Like a Pirate Day I’d say “Well blow me down.”

Sure does.

@OccupyWallStNYC
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET
We are still intact, but #NYPD invaded, confiscated tarps, and arrested two.
5 minutes ago via Twitterrific

I hope the protesters have called the Lawyer’s Guild about this, not just the arrests, but the forced removal of protection from the elements. It is private property, not city/public. They have permission from the owner to be there!

If the owner were to be in the park today he also would make sure he had protection from the elements!

Thanks for posting updates, MayDaze.

Stranger things have happened. Maybe we’ll both vote for Lizard Man for POTUS in 2012. -_-

An informed decision during the four years of school might turn out to be subject to dramatic changes in the economy exactly at the time you graduate with your $30,000-$100,000 in debt. If you started in computer science in 1997, you would have graduated into two to three years of unemployment. For folks who started in 2005, there are a huge number who graduated who are unemployed — in almost any field you can name.

Informed decisions still cannot predict the stupidity of Wall Street or executives, or the latest trends in human resources management. Nor can it predict how many other people made the same informed decision you did–leading to an oversupply in the job market of talented and trained people.

Back in the day, I was able to graduate with no debt. And my starting salary was four times the cost of one year’s tuition at a highly ranked private university and 15 times the cost of one year’s tuition at a state university outside California (this was pre-Reagan). Today, my daughter is carrying $50,000 in debt for a masters degree in a science and I am carrying $7000 debt still from her undergraduate degree. And she cannot get a job in her field because research budgets are being cut and cut drastically by private, university, and government research institutions. And the current starting salary for a person in her field is $45,000, less than the tuition and expenses for one year in graduate school in a science.

If businesses want a highly trained workforce, they either pony up the money to see that there are a lot of qualified people or pay taxes so that the government can provide scholarships. Their kids not only get paid for by daddy but they also get legacy admissions at the best schools–even when they do not qualify.

Yes, we should forgive all of the student loan debt. It will free doctors to set up independent practices again. It will free households to spend and to save for housing again.

This hypocritical debt morality that lectures folks while allow the rich and powerful a huge pass misses entirely what the situation of most people is right now. It makes the folks that spout it feel oh so moral and provides an excuse for government and businesses to keep strip mining the educational investments of individuals.

Also, I would think the city would now be responsible for damaged electronic equipment!

No problem, I enjoy it. Really appreciate your efforts, Kevin.

“Study: 37 Percent of Young Families With Children Were Living in Poverty Last Year” (DemocracyNow.Org, Sept. 20, 2011)

Yep.

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
NYPD sending more police into Lower Manhattan….
2 minutes ago via web

Thank you. Well said.

Just got to say this: Some countries value what the young educated can bring to their economic and industrial growth. In fact, they value it so much that the youth are educated for free!

That’s a diary post. Put that up on myFDL. I’ll link to it from the live blog.

I wonder if planned union participation today precipitated the police action? Maybe the police got wind that the movement was beginning to grow and decided to shut it down. Just a thought.

In response to PeasantParty@43

Here not only do we financially punish the young educated,
we’re in the process of dismantling public education altogether,
to be replaced by ‘reform’ boondoggles.

I suggest everyone listen to Bill Still interview, it starts around 11minute mark. He explains why teh banks have so much power and why taking money out of politics will not change that. he explains what will. he also did doc money masters’ which people should see. please share with everyone, especially those down in wall street

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/09/20/kr186-keiser-report-dollar-trapped/#comments

That may be true but the police stepped onto private property and intentional placed electronic equipment in the rain!

What are they shouting? I can’t hear…

Done.

In response to nycterrierist:

True. For profit schools that will even further erode the real education to fit into a nice little box of what they allow you to know.

When I got my law degree in the 80′s, tuition was $7,000 a year, $22,000 total for my degree, at Cardozo, a good school (owned by Yeshiva University, so you know it was good lol). The debt was very manageable. It just boggles my mind what people are being charged for graduate education these days. They have to start out in a hole that is so deep, it’s hard to envision ever getting out of it. Something very wrong with that.

We are well on the road to ‘Idiocracy’.
Must-see film by Mike Judge.

Exactly.
It’s going back to the old days when only the wealthiest can afford college. They can afford to take the risk and their parents will have the connections they need to get them well paying work when they graduate. For everyone else it’s becoming an economic trap. The catch is, if you don’t have a college degree, your life prospects for work are even more grim. The factory jobs aren’t there. You can’t have a family working part-time at Wal-Mart your whole life.

If some degrees are consistently worthless in finding work, even in a healthy economy, then schools should be required to make this absolutely clear to the student and their parents, along with the consequences when they graduate. Schools are for-profit institutions who have a financial interest in not doing this. They are most often quite vague about the career outlook for most degrees. Is that the fault of the 17 year old who doesn’t know better, and their parents who may not either?

The only fields where work is nearly guaranteed right now are a few fields of engineering. So, should everyone aim for those few fields in college now or not attend at all? If the former, then those fields will be overwhelmed. If the latter, then you run into the problem of being at the bottom of the economic ladder your entire life.

Something has to be done about the spiraling cost of attending higher education. If the cost is reduced, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. You go to college, the economy is bad, you can’t find work, well, that sucks, but at least you’re not stuck paying $50,000 for the degree. If the economy is good, then great, your degree is helpful in finding work and advancing again. The money you earn helps pay taxes that helps pay for others education in return.

Competitively, if the US is full of people without advanced education and training, and a few haves who do (Rafe’s America), we’re f#cked. That advanced education is needed to stay competitive. In a well run country, the government would be striving to make sure people’s talent was being best utilized so the country would be a true leader in medicine, technology, engineering, science, arts, music, like the US once was.

Yes, unless we fix education and healthcare costs,
we’re heading right back to the Middle Ages:
neo-feudalism. If the U.S. doesn’t stand for basic dignity,
we stand for nothing.
Basic dignity includes affordable healthcare and education.

So you are an attorney. Thank you for years of learning our laws and practicing it. Now, about this mornings news of the police stepping onto private property and endangering electronic equipment…

I would say the police just made a mistake. What you say, Sir?

$50,000 for the degree? That would be great.

My wife and I had to put off her going to school here at UT-Austin for a year because non-resident fees for her junior year would’ve been $16,500 per semester. $33,000 for the year. Multiply that by 4 and then add on your 5th year for a Masters at around $48,000. You’re looking at $180,000 for a Masters degree from a state school.

Hi everyone,

i agree we need to fix education/healthcare etc. but we need to fix how money is issued first. Without doing that we will have changed nothing. Please watch video below and get it out to everyone

I suggest everyone listen to Bill Still interview, it starts around 11minute mark. He explains why teh banks have so much power and why taking money out of politics will not change that. he explains what will. he also did doc money masters’ which people should see. please share with everyone, especially those down in wall street

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/09/20/kr186-keiser-report-dollar-trapped/#comments

The whole world is watching!

As I commented yesterday. as a born and bred New Yorker, one should never be surprised that the NYPD are willing to ignore the legal niceties. The process is the punishment, you see. E.g., there is zero chance that anyone would get arrested for protecting themselves with a tarp at an outdoor concert, even in a public park. Btw, I quit practicing law in disgust 20 years ago (never lost a case, but could no longer bring myself to deal with liars on a daily basis), and have since dedicated myself to predicting and trading the financial markets.

From USDoR statement of sidewalk strategy.

As Americans we may bang our head on other matters, but on this we surely agree. In a democracy: progressives; unions; conservatives; tea party; and unaffiliated Americans can govern and work things out. In a kleptocracy, controlled by the banksters, we cannot. We must stop their influence, their motives, and their tricks, from continuing to destroy our democratic republic, and together we can do it.

To make the USDoR strategy work, folks have to scrupulously obey the law and not push the envelope. Most likely the NYPD will be pushing the envelope enough. The one that steps over the legal line loses. If that is not the case, we know that we have a more serious issue to deal with.

In this action, the situation is beyond making assumptions about how much freedom we have lost, the good folks in Liberty Plaza are testing those assumptions on our behalf. Folks in San Francisco are also testing those assumptions on our behalf.

If the two high-profile “liberal strongholds” respond with repression, the situation elsewhere must be even more dicey. And our strategy has to adjust with that. If the Lawyers Guild cannot prevail in NYC, we have indeed lost the rule of law and must adjust our strategy to that empirical fact. We are witnessing a classical application of “Action removes the doubt that theory cannot solve.” Empirical. Hypothesis, test, results, new hypothesis.

OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
@ @AACina we are the outreach committee, we are the #media. Help us by doing some of that outreach. #needsoftheoccupiers

jeffrae Jeff Rae
Call Mayor @MikeBloomberg now! 212-NEW-YORK RT @nycsep17: #occupywallstreet one arrestee slammed down so hard they lost tooth.

Well, that deserves a loud “Fuck you” to at least the police officer(s) who did that.

Exactly what I thought regarding the Tarps. I too took a dip in the financial markets. I no longer play there because I no longer have money to lose. I also am disgusted at how flash/day trades are allowed to rip money out of people’s retirement accounts and NOBODY is held responsible!

The whole world is watching. Prolly more people outside the country than inside the country, but they *are* watching. Roughing up peaceful kids isn’t going to strengthen the reputation of the United States.

“Occupying” or “taking” Wall Street is indicative of poor strategy from the beginning. If you’re going to do it, your goal (and your Twitter hash tag) should be keeping Wall Street. Power isn’t ripping a flag down from a pole. Power is running the flag up there in the first place.

If activists went into this action with the goal of keeping Wall Street, they’d have to have a completely different mind set and form completely different plans. They’d probably second guess their decision to be there at all — but if they were there under that mentality, they’d be far more likely to have a winning strategy.

As always, successful strategists think as far into the future as possible, see their desired outcome, and then work backwards to bring it into effect.

For the left, I strongly recommend beginning to think about participatory economics.

There is another catch. If you have the degree and are out of work, you cannot get that factory job. You are “overqualified” or “overeducated”. In some cases, that is just the revenge of the D students who lucked out and kissed up their way into management.

Well, it’s similar in Canada and Europe. Liberal or Republican, center-left, center-right, they react the same to protests from the left.

The lesson in general is, the more rich/VIP people who live and/or work in a city, the more repressive the police will be on protests from the left.

I wonder how protests in Portland would turn out. Unfortunately, it’s not a major city. Wall Street protesters aside, I’d also trade their twenty-thirty somethings for NYC’s in a heartbeat.

…from one set of liars to another, eh?

So glad we have you and your knowledge base available to us. Thank you, TD. Agree 100%.

ABSOLUTELY!

I don’t think that anyone has certainty about what a successful strategy is in this situation. I do believe that you are using an attack on #OccupyWallStreet as a foil to pimp participatory economics.

If you have an alternative strategy, lay it out in a few paragraphs here.

If you are so certain about the recipe for victory, have you communicated this to organizers? You seem like the kind of leader the occupation could have benefited from having on the scene. What do you do and why aren’t you in NYC?

At another time, back when TARP was going out your idea would have meant something. It is not the same now. Sorry, but the people that have lost their jobs and thrown out of their homes because they can no longer find work to pay the mortgage after the economic crash that was brought on by Wall Street NEED TO OCCUPY! As a matter of fact, everyone that was employed just 7 years ago and now unemployed needs to OCCUPY WALL STREET!

Why would our very own banking institutions push investments in other countries while our own needs it?

The flash trading is obnoxious (average trade is now 1 second in duration), but, IMO, does little to change the overall pattern of price structure. Far more serious is the fact that the market’s laws of rationality, which make them very easy to predict for me in ordinary times, have been completely displaced these last three years by the actions of individual men with a dog in the fight. One cannot anticipate or predict such actions with precision so everybody is now reduced to getting the latest headline first. Very frustrating, and a total corruption of the legitimate market function. E.g. today everybody is all about what magic trick Bernanke will pull out of his hat at 2:15. Just like rule of law has been replaced by rule of men in the justice arena, law of markets has been replaced by rule of men in the market arena. It’s the same blanket of creeping fascism.

Right. You caught me. I always root for protests to fail.

The alternative strategy is right in front of you. If you choose not to see it, that’s on you.

(1) What do you want?

(2) What can you control?

(3) Begin implementing (2) to bring about (1).

But the whole exercise is pointless until you’ve done (1).

It is easy to say what should have been done. But only people who are actually in Liberty Plaza can say what should have been done really. Anyone watching can say this was a mistake or this was a missed opportunity. I have been critical too. But when it all comes down to it, only those actually engaged in the occupation can know what to do, what not to do, what orders to comply and not comply with, when to confront and when not to confront police, when to take Wall Street and when not to … And keep in mind blockades were up hours before the action started. So, for them to be able to do what you think they should have done, they would have had to launch the action pre-emptively on Sept 16th before police could block off area.

The Raid This Morning

Shades of early Bahrain tactics.

Watch it carefully and notice two guys in suits with the police. Question: Have the property owners revoked permission of folks to stay there?

You can put a new and improoved system into place until you have displaced the old, corrupt system.

Not in New York City, but in Cincinnati, yes. I know how things work. The left isn’t ready to win yet. It’s like the alcoholic that still can’t admit — can’t see — he has a problem. All I can do is keep pointing this out until people get sufficiently tired of losing.

Yes, I wrote a Diary pointing out the fairytale of it based on Alice in Wonderland. The title, “Down Jackson Hole without Magic Mushrooms”.

Seriously! It’s all myth and magic from behind the curtain.

Maybe, but now I just have to anticipate or see through them, rather than actually having to talk to them face to face. The Brooklyn in me always made it very tempting to consider punching out those face-to-face liars. Guess I’m not really all that civilized lol.

Have to agree with the above. If you have specific suggestions about tactics, they’re better addressed to people there, particularly in person. Many think we have better ideas, especially after the fact, but you have to remember the decisions are made in a group, a group of the people from different backgrounds and beliefs who are there on the ground. It’s possible your idea came up from someone there but was decided against. It’s possible if you were there that would have been the outcome if you put it forward. Or, maybe people would have agreed. You won’t know unless you’re there and put it forward.

Exactly.

@davidgraeber David Graeber
when I was but a child, did I once imagine I would someday be featured in the North Korea Times? – bit.ly/niJ7Jq

Ain’t propaganda paradoxical.

You can’t displace the old system until you first have in mind a replacement. Since you can’t implement a replacement in stages to give it a trial run before settling on it as a replacement, your replacement better have first-rate theory and a razor-sharp mathematical model behind it. Otherwise no one will trust it, and rightly so.

Parecon qualifies as a replacement, except it requires the coordinator class be acknowledged as a third economic class (in addition to owners and workers). Until the left acknowledges the existence of this third class, it’s going to continue to be the alcoholic that can’t see he has a problem.

…Let’s see.

US tortures, hasn’t punished anyone.

Imprisons Bradley Manning, inhumanely treated and no trial date set yet.

Guantanamo still open.

US government has targeted killing program to extrajudicially murder any person deemed a “terror suspect” — blatant denial of due process

Troy Davis to be executed despite too much doubt in case (post to be up soon)

NYPD intimidating and harassing Occupy Wall Street camp inspired by what happened in Tahrir Square

Yeah, the job of a US diplomat will only get more and more difficult as policies and principles we want countries to uphold are increasingly not what power thinks this country should abide by at all.

That was supposed to be “can’t,” not “can.” Too late to edit the original now.

http://www.businessinsider.com/president-obamas-defense-defecit-reductions-are-phoney-2011-9

I think we’re seeing the launching of a repeat of
the campaign of bullshit.

The end run to reducing Medicare / Social Security
by a supposed friend is already staring you in the face.

Obama’s offerings to the GOP make no sense from square one.

I propose taking back our agriculture, our air, our food,
our health maintenance, our banking, all while practicing
free enterprise but without the smug self-serving bullshit.

I propose Ghandi-like.

At the DNC.

We should meet all manner of obnoxiousness with all manner
of not going along.

All you have to do is pass this along.

Yeah, that is unknown. Of course, the NYPD is at fault for escalating the situation and should pay damages if property owner did say the occupation can no longer be in the park. Because, NYPD would have then told a lead organizer that they had to decide to leave or face arrests. All people would have been trespassing. Then, NYPD’s action of coming in would have been a bit more justified too.

Didn’t used to be that way, and would not be that way now if the fucking govt would stop trying to “manage” the markets. Markets work if and only if they are left alone.

a little hokey for some

keep your brains clean

but this works for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

WTF?

We already know there is a problem. There has been a problem for YEARS and YEARS! Why the hell do you think they are protesting Wall SKREECH?

I do believe that the folks in the park are engaged in a long-range process of getting a consensus on item 1. So for now, 1 is “Hold public (private/public?) space long enough to work through with as large a group as possible what we want as demands.” 2. They can control where they place their bodies, what they say, what they persuade other people to support, what they consense upon as operating rules, what they can say on social media… 3. The have been doing a remarkably good job of implementing 1 for the past three days. They have now gone from being ridiculed to being opposed. That means that they have gathered enough strength for someone to see them as a threat.

This process is not some management consulting process driven by experts or from the top down by organizations. You have to bootstrap 1 in order to move forward. So the first objective is to recreate the notion of public space as public, not government-controlled space.

All you can do is be a saboteur of any attempts to actually make gains against corporate capitalism run amok in this country. Thank you sir for your efforts to provide magic bullets. But no thanks. You aren’t helping the people in the park who are putting themselves on the line because they believe America can be a better society. I’m not silencing you or telling you to shut up. Rather, I am making sure you understand that what you are saying is babble that is not beneficial to any organizing happening right now on the ground.

You are not entirely wrong, and I take your point. But mine is that when the leash is as short as it is now, it is necessary to displace the old order somewhat just to get the maneuvering room to try a new way. AND, I think you must cut a lot of slack for those brave enough to be down there putting their bodies on the line.

I agree that, with respect to this particular ongoing action, yes, it’s easy to play armchair quarterback. But this won’t be the last action. However, the next action will suffer from the same flaws as this one, as will the next and the next, until people get serious about long-term vision and strategy.

Again, the successful strategist envisions the future he or she wants to bring into effect as far forward in time as possible. Then he or she works backward to bring the vision about. I mean, that’s just what good strategists do. You can either see that or you can’t.

But the key is, in, say, 100 years, what do you want? Go as far into the future in your imagination as you can. See the future. Then ask, what would it take to get there? Then look at the current landscape and figure out what you can control in order to bring it about.

For example, I keep harping on parecon. Parecon has balanced job complexes. So suppose we agree we ultimately want an economy in 100 years to have BJCs. There’s nothing stopping the left from implementing BJCs right now, today. And you don’t even have to sweat any police bullets to do it.

Now that’s thinking like a winner, and you’ll get mad results to boot.

See, good vision for the future has implications for the present. Those implications are precisely what needs to be worked out before you can start winning anything. But those implications are also the alcoholism that you have to see, in order to realize there’s correction that needs to occur.

That is, not having BJCs implies having an economy that is deeply classist — an economy where, at minimum, a ruling coordinator class lords over the working class. That is, overseers crack the whips while slaves pick the cotton.

Does the left want workers to keep picking the cotton while it, the overseer left, moves into the plantation owner’s house after displacing the owner? I think that that’s exactly what the extant left wants.

It’s alcoholism. You have a problem. Except your problem isn’t alcoholism — it’s classism. But you still have a problem that you haven’t acknowledged yet.

And until you acknowledge the problem, your actions are going to continue to fail.

Absolutely they are brave. It takes balls to do what they’re doing. However, bravery is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is results.

That’s thinking like a winner.

However, the next action will suffer from the same flaws as this one, as will the next and the next, until people get serious about long-term vision and strategy.

And tell me, will I find love soon, Ms. Cleo?

Why don’t you call up a meeting with Geithner and Bernanke and give them your projections for a future monetary policy? Why don’t you go to NY and drop in on the Exchange and tell them about it? Do you think they will listen to you?

There is no changing what they are doing until there is space/room and forced notice placed upon them. That is what those people are doing in New York right now. They are demanding a place at the board table!

You’re right: I’m not helping the people in the park right now, because I don’t care about them. Their lot is cast, and I can do nothing for them. I care about the next group of people who sit in the next park. You need to start planning now for that action.

The future, the future, the future. Start seeing the future.

That’s thinking like a winner.

Miss Cleo had a vision, and she made a lot of money before she got busted.

The left has no vision.

But you’re the left, and you have vision. Unless you’re visualizing that you don’t have vision, in which case we’ve created a contradictory paradox that’s going to eat the universe. I doubt Ms. Cleo saw that coming.

So the first objective is to recreate the notion of public space as public, not government-controlled space

But this action won’t accomplish that. I mean, we know that already, right now. Eventually, the protesters will leave and the status quo will reassert itself. Then you’ll just have to pay for the same real estate twice when you do all this again. So why not get it right the first time?

Again, start planning now for what you want tomorrow. But first figure out what you want tomorrow and, preferably, 100 years in the future.

Where is Stephen Hawking?!! We need Stephen Hawking!

Fucking quantum vision physics up in herrr.

Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful. Who is going to waste time validating this? Anyone in this thread actually trying to engage Eric should rethink.

I have work to do.

Think like a #Winning Winner, Kevin. You’re not Charlie Sheen-ing enough.

Where’s my tiger blood?

Film the badge numbers for a civil rights suit.

I doubt Ms. Cleo saw that coming.

Good strategists can’t see every possible contingency, and good strategists understand and acknowledge this. But just because you can’t plan for everything doesn’t mean you shouldn’t plan for anything. It means that you form plans, and then you adjust those plans into new plans as situations warrant. And yes, sometimes you simply lose.

But when you lose, you have to be like the alcoholic who admits to himself that he has a problem. It doesn’t mean you stop drinking at that moment, or that you never fall off the wagon again. It means that, when you do, you’re honest with yourself about it.

Honesty is the key. It’s the one thing in life that we always, without any exception whatsoever, have total, perfect, 100%, absolute control over. Winners — and recovering alcoholics — always pay attention to the things they can control in direct proportion to the amount of control they have over those things.

The left, on the other hand, spends all its time talking about Republicans and Fox News — the two things it has zero control over. And then the left wonders why it’s not winning anything.

I have work to do.

I have zero interest in your work since the work you’re doing today you’ll be doing tomorrow, and the next day, and so on.

The only thing I’m interested in is results. Anyone who’s interested in anything other than results is thinking like a loser.

The only thing winners care about is results.

Since you don’t care about those protesters in NY you are on the wrong Blog post. You should be on the IMF board or having a conversation with Jamie Dimon. Please don’t respond anymore. You certainly have a poof the magic dragon thought process.

Offline for a while, guess I missed a lot.

Not really news, but I just like it:

@M0nicaL0pez
MONICA LOPEZ
It’s apparently illegal to have tarps to protect yourself from the rain, but you can take 16 trillion and get away with it #occupywallstreet
4 minutes ago via web

Dayyy Ummmm! I need the fly swatter!

No, Eric, bravery is NEVER irrelevant.

This action is not over. If you want to discuss strategy, please address it to people there through twitter or on https://occupywallst.org/

I’m pretty sure what is irritating people here is your insistence that this is lost and over, that your way would have worked, and will work in the future if it’s followed, because you think like a winner, and presumably they think like losers. It’s a very condescending, unappreciative attitude, especially coming from a person who wasn’t there and refuses to go. You’re also asking a lot from a from hundred people with mixed beliefs. Yes, in the bigger picture we need to do this and that (like horizontally run businesses, self-run communities, etc.) to build a parallel system so it will be easy to transition from the system we have now to a new one, but again, this is a few hundred people with different belief systems who came together for this specific event. They are not at fault for not having that parallel system set up, we all are. They’re participating in one strategy, others can do other things. The point is we have to start trying instead of being armchair critics and for many on the (soft) left, dependent on elections for change (that never comes).

If I were to have this conversation with, say, Bill Belichick, he would understand exactly what I was saying.

I’m not interested in people’s feelings. I’m only interested in results.

Bravery is only relevant to the extent it produces results. But it’s not the bravery that’s relevant. It’s the results.

Damn, I just viewed the arrest video. My blood is absolutely boiling. This is exactly the kind of NYPD behavior I anticipated. I can’t type out what I’m thinking now.

What are you some kind of motivational speaker all of a sudden? Like Greg Kinnear’s character in Little Miss Sunshine. “There’s two kinds of people in this world, there’s winners and there’s losers.”

Lawyering up:

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
Under zoning code Zuccotti is a public space, does not need permit for assembly #USDOR #takewallstreet
8 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
Civil lawyer says he and his assoc David Thompson preparing papers for filing. #USDOR #takewallstreet
8 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

@USDayofRage
US Day of Rage ☮
Civil rights lawyer on the scene at Zuccotti park. #USDOR #takewallstreet
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Thank you. Could not have been put more clearly and precisely than that.

Okay Terry Bradshaw. This isn’t the place for a motivational symposium.

I’m a sober, happy, joyous, and free alcoholic who will have 10 years a week from today. Thanks for the insight on honesty, though. The beginning of chapter 5 in the Big Book didn’t cover that enough.

As for your assertions, while I don’t necessarily disagree with them, I’m wondering how sitting in your computer chair in Cincinnati gives you insight into whether or not the organizers on the ground planned for what’s happening. Whether or not they’re succeeding in their goals.

You’re commenting on their level of planning when you have no clue what’s happening on the ground, who is involved, who is planning and organizing, etc.

Take a step back and evaluate the entire situation, be honest with yourself about your level of knowledge on this particular situation, and then read the comments you typed above. You’ll find that your perspective here is way out of whack.

But hey, in the event you choose not to do that, just keep #winning.

GO! Go have that conversation with him. Leave this blog post. You are not on topic and have even insulted the owner/author, as well as the rest of us.

JUST GO! We are no longer interested.

He’s comparing himself to Bill Belichek!

So Eric, you’re asserting that you’ve recorded the NYPD responses in a cheating fashion and unfairly utilized that information, stole their communications, and cheated to win in the past?

You and Belichek are on the same page there?

/engagement with know-it-all arm chair critic troll.

I am glad to see NYC enforcing the rule of law–What a crock. I guess the world can see we have our own Hosni.

Exactly.

Agree, watching now. Imagine what would happen if they didn’t know they were being recorded.

Sure you can. This is a system that self-organizes, not an architectonic information processing system. You do not have to envision the entire system–indeed it might be impossible at the moment to envision the entire system — before you begin to act. In fact the very problem that we face is a system that was self-organizing but became architectonic and resistant to necessary change.

…it requires the coordinator class be acknowledged as a third economic class (in addition to owners and workers

In other words, it is a theory to advance the divine rights of managers (coordinators). It seeks not to do away with privilege but add another, probably technocratic, class as a privileged class. If privilege is not the intent, then any classes (in the logical, not sociological sense) will evolve out of a fluid self-organization. Classes, in the sociological sense, have the self-interest of making the system architectonic with them as privileged.

In a fluid society, someone may at some time be a worker, sometimes an owner (whatever that means, “owner” implies some claim already), sometimes a worker again, then a “coordinator”/manager, then a worker again. Or one might have multiple economic roles simultaneously (one person-one job is kind of arbitrary).

Only the people in an economy can decide how that works if it is authentically “participatory”.

OT– “Alexander to resign No. 3 Senate GOP post” (Guardian.Co.Uk, Sept. 20, 2011)

The only thing “winners” care about is the emotional charge of “winning”. Go find a sales training group somewhere to peddle your half-baked Dale Carnegie-isms.

It’s both.

The Lawyers (Sam Cohen) are on the case

What they require is consensus of the general assembly to ask for a restraining order on the NYPD.

That video of Sam Cohen (the lawyer) is great!

Edit: Kevin has it loaded in the post.

Just think if you were there. That is exactly the sort of hot buttons this type of NYPD action is intended to push. Heck, they were even arresting people who resisted as a reflex from being startled out of sleep.

Ha! I don’t believe his excuse for a second. Something is up and may soon reveal itself.

You make plans, and then life happens.

There is no guarantee that anything untoward won’t occur in the nation or the world while an education is being sought. I’m sure there are all sorts of people who thought that being a typewriter repair technician would be a good career, then along came the PC and that idea was gone forever.

I’m also certain that a fair number of baristas who have advanced degrees in Peruvian Folklore are wishing they had pursued a different major.

If I were there, I would probably be lacking in the required discipline. It’s a Brooklyn thing lol. But, seriously, at some point we will be forced to address the issue of when it becomes necessary to answer aggression with force. That’s a very uncomfortable thing to contemplate, but it was always out there. I have always believed that removing the illusion of their own invulnerabiltiy would eventually be required to make the thugs reconsider their ways. To the extent that non-violent civil disobedience depends upon arousing a feeling of shame in the oppressors, I do believe that there is an esential ingredient missing.

The occupation needs some kind of order. If secured, this occupation will surely last into October. I believe it can go that long. But only if they get some kind of protection against what has been calculated and arbitrary police disruption.

They haven’t even engaged in civil disobedience or civil resistance yet. There’s been no direct action. This is what is happening when they comply. That is important to understand.

And I cannot confirm this but something happened with the media equipment — I see a tweet that NYPD seized some communications gear. Not sure though.

This is about Sam Cohen, the lawyer in the vid.

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
A lawyer just showed up who believes that our right to erect tents temporarily is legally protected #OccupyWallStreet
9 minutes ago via web

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
and his firm is willing to fight for us pro bono #OccupyWallStreet
9 minutes ago via web

(Thought it interesting that he would do this pro bono.)

You make plans, and then life happens.

Like I said, moralism not policy.

What you wind up with under that policy is a bunch of “human assets” who cannot move to “more productive uses”. That typewriter repair technician often became the first choice of IBM for retraining in computer repair of PCs (but that was way back in the Reagan era). Automobile companies did at first hire skilled carriage makers, but then they discovered the assembly line and some of the carriage makers became designers. That flexibility of change is not longer present because of the HR pigeon-holing of skills. Those baristas are likely taking community college courses in nursing or network administration — and their background will likely contribute in strange ways to their future productivity. But they can’t if the community college tuition can’t be paid on a barista’s salary.

It must feel real good to be morally prudent. But the problem is not individual responsibility, it is the structural change that has gone on in workplaces.

“Life happens” is not a public policy.

AntDeRosa Anthony De Rosa
Good on-the-ground coverage of #occupywallst at evanfleischer.com

Citizen radio discussing Occupy Wall Street http://wearecitizenradio.com/2011/09/20/20110920-occupywallstreet-report-future-of-u-s-activism-almost-kilstein-battle/
Side Note: this Rafe guy is really annoying

You answer aggression with force when you are relative certain that you have overwhelming moral authority to use force of when you have overwhelming force. In Tahrir Square, the protesters has to use defensive force against Mubrarak’s thugs after they had overwhelmed the security forces. But they had global moral authority because of their initial attempts at peaceful assembly. And there, they were asserting a right that was not in principle legally guaranteed. In NYC, there are in principle Constitutional guarantees. So you work the legal process first and you build moral authority through your restraint. Even to the point of facing police dogs and firehoses. That sort of discipline is easier for people who have known they have no rights that for people who suddenly have had rights taken away from them.

I agree no civil disobedience yet, I’m just looking down the road. There’s absolutely no excuse for what the police have already done. None. But it was totally predictable they would act this way, as it is totally predictable that they will be willing to escalate the brutality without limit. My issue is, what do we do then? We need to at least start thinking about that.

Thank you, Sam Cohen. Great to hear this.

What is the chain-of-command for these units? How many layers before you get to the mayor?

I don’t disagree with any of that. Just looking down the road to the “moral authority to use force” part. Looking ahead is what I’m best at. Restraining myself while I’m getting abused is not, though I agree with your thinking. Just being honest about it.

I would think at least 6. There’s a Sergeant, a Lieutenant, a site Commander, a section Chief, the Chief of police, then the Mayor.

Hopefully the lawyers getting involved can help, but it may take awhile for them to have a court order forcing the police to respect people’s right to be there. That’s what the police, and their masters, count on. By then, no one will be left since they’ll have harassed and arrested all who try and it’ll be colder.

At least they’re getting plenty of food:

@jeffrae
Jeff Rae
Media Team asking for Dell 1525 batteries so they can turn livestream back on. No pizza there is already a mountain of it. #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via HootSuite

Should then public policy be to make sure that if you decide to study Babylonian Architecture that there will be a job waiting for you after graduation in your “field”, making $75k per year? Prudence would dictate that if you truly want to be an expert in Babylonian Architecture, you should understand that the opportunities to get paid for such expertise are few and far between. It will save you from working as a barista during the day and studying for a more available job, such as nursing, at night.

Better that you study to be a nurse now and pursue your love of the eccentric later.

You pays your money and you takes your chances, so choose wisely.

Sad news and updates:

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
Confirmed: One of the protestors is in critical condition #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via web

@NYCSep17
September 17
#occupywallstreet legal assistance folks keep appearing to support. Ga is going to start soon. We are here to stay.
7 minutes ago via txt

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
Thanks #NYPD for agitating a lot more people to participate with us! #OccupyWallStreet
7 minutes ago via web

The problem people are having now isn’t that they suddenly decided to study obscure degrees and the jobs aren’t there, yet all these other wonderful jobs are that they foolish didn’t study for. I’ll have to find a list of most common degrees, and I’ll be surprised if they’re not degrees for common professions or that in the past were useful in landing related professions (such as an English/Lit major teaching English). Aside from MBA grads from top business schools, lawyers from top law schools, and computer scientists from top tech schools, who expects to earn $75k a year after graduating or even 15 years after? Most entry level jobs I’ve seen in the area I’ve looked require a BA and starting salary is most often less than $35,000 a year. /Last troll snack.

“TARP for Wall St. OK, but no tarp for the people?”

I’d just like to pop in and say thanks; I’ve been lurking here since the 17th, and this is about the only place I’ve been able to follow what’s going on, since I’m not a user of social media.

I’m sympathetic to these people; most of them are young and have the most future to lose if current trends continue. It’s also a great experiment in participatory democracy that hopefully will plant some seeds around the country.

Just like to note that the most important thing is NOT TO GIVE UP. The longer this goes on, the more people become aware of it, the more will admit that we all know the economic and political system in this country is broken. It takes time and repetition to get through to a public with a short attention span.

I myself didn’t realize how badly the system was broken until I read “Winner-Take-All Politics” last year, and something snapped in me when the President caved on keeping taxes breaks for the $200+k set, then went on bended knee to the US Chamber of Commerce after the 2010 elections in recognition of the TRUE masters in Washington DC. “The Mendacity of Hope” was most revealing.

I’ve started thinking of myself as “one of the 99%” since this started. I don’t want to overthrow capitalism; I want to see it work for everybody again, instead of just the ruling elites. It’s redistribution of OPPORTUNITY that is needed. We just want a system that isn’t so blatantly rigged in favor of the elites – and that includes the neoliberals running the national Democratic Party.

Here is the board of trustees of the New York City Police Foundation, a business group that funds “innovative” programs for the NYPD and also funds Commissioner Kelly’s membership in the Harvard Club of NYC.

Valerie Salembier, Chair

H. Dale Hemmerdinger, Secretary/Treasurer

Chuck Barris
Alan R. Batkin
Thomas R. Boehlke
Clyde R. Brownstone
Robert B. Catell
Andrew M. Crisses
Beth Rudin DeWoody
John J. Dooner, Jr.
Richard Fields
Dan Gronich
Stephen L. Hammerman
Mark Kingdon
Jason E. Klein
Edward D. Miller
D. Kenneth Patton
Shirley Lord Rosenthal
Robert Speyer
Alexander H. Tisch
Andrew H. Tisch
Ivanka M. Trump
Edward A. Weinstein
Scott A. Wilpon
Benjamin J. Winter
David S. Winter

Chair Emeriti
George D. Benjamin
Robin L. Farkas
Eliot H. Lumbard
Dr. Gerald W. Lynch

And here are the donors:

MAJOR DONORS

July 1, 2009 – June 30, 2010

Four Stars – ($100,000.00 + )
The Edward John & Patricia Rosenwald Foundation
Barclays Capital
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
The Diller – von Furstenberg Family Foundation
Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Mr. & Mrs. Carl C. Icahn
Jefferies & Co.
Kinray Inc.
News Corporation
NY1 News/NY1 Noticias
NYC & Company
The Renco Group, Inc.
Valerie Salembier
The Ruth and Frank Stanton Fund
The Starr Foundation
Target Corporation

Three Stars – ($75,000.00 + )
Thomas R. Boehlke, Bank of America
H. Dale Hemmerdinger, ATCO Properties & Management, Inc.

Two Stars – ($25,000.00 + )
Anonymous
George D. Benjamin
Mr. & Mrs. Leon Black
Clyde & Diane Brownstone
The Carson Family Charitable Trust
Mr. & Mrs. Robert B. Catell
The Steven A. and Alexandra M. Cohen Foundation, Inc.
Andrew M. Crisses, The Charmer Sunbelt Group
Mr. & Ms. Jay W. Eisenhofer
Empire State Building Company LLC
Fields Family Foundation
Fisher Brothers
Stephen L. Hammerman
HSBC Bank USA, N.A.
JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Mark and Anla Cheng Kingdon Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Bennett S. LeBow
Benjamin Lewis & Jane Goldman
Edward D. Miller
Mr. & Mrs. Philip L. Milstein
Nederlander Organization
NYSE Euronext Inc.
Perry Ellis International, Inc.
May Ellen & Gerald Ritter Foundation
Shirley Lord Rosenthal
Beth Rudin DeWoody, May and Samuel Rudin Family Foundation
Service Electric Broadband Cable of NJ
Paul E. Singer
Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP
Robert Speyer, Tishman Speyer Properties
Andrew H. Tisch, Loews Corporation
The James S. & Merryl H. Tisch Foundation
United Way of New York City
Vector Group Ltd.
Viacom International, Inc.
Edward A. Weinstein
White & Case LLP
Benjamin J. Winter, The Winter Organization

One Star – ($10,000.00 + )
The Jeffrey A. Altman Foundation
American Express Company
American International Group, Inc.
Animal Welfare Foundation, Inc.
The Bank of New York Mellon
Mr. & Mrs. Alan R. Batkin
Bergen County BMW Motorcycles
Bingham McCutchen LLP
Richard Bockman, M.D. & Mrs. Gale Hayman
Bostock Family Foundation
The Boston Consulting Group, Inc.
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Bristol-Myers Squibb Foundation, Inc.
Brown Rudnick LLP
Capital One Bank
Mr. & Mrs. David Chase
Citigroup Inc.
Jon S. Corzine Foundation
The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation
Deutsche Bank Americas
Mr. & Mrs. Millard Drexler
The Durst Organization Inc.
Empire Blue Cross & Blue Shield
Mica Ertegun
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Grant Thornton LLP
Dan Gronich
Annette Heyman Foundation, Inc.
Home Box Office, Inc.
Intergraph Corporation
jetBlue Airways Corporation
Paul Tudor Jones II
The Kandell Fund
Jason E. Klein, Newspaper National Network, LP
Mr. & Mrs. Ralph Lauren
Lionsgate
Lorber Charitable Fund
Louis Vuitton North America, Inc.
LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton Inc.
MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings Inc.
Macy’s
David Mandelbaum
Mr. & Mrs. Boris Marshalik
The Marshall Rose Family Foundation, Inc.
The McGraw-Hill Companies
Meringoff Family Foundation, Inc.
Milberg LLP
Modell’s Sporting Goods, Inc.
Motorola Solutions
Motorola Solutions Foundation
Mutual of America Life Insurance Company
NBC Universal
The New York Daily News
New York Life Insurance Company
New York Presbyterian Hospital
New York Private Bank & Trust
New York Yankees
Office of Community Oriented Policing Services
Ogden CAP Properties, LLC
Proskauer Rose LLP
Ludovica R. Purini
Jill and Mark Rachesky Charitable Foundation
The REBNY Foundation Inc.
Red Apple Group, Inc.
John A. Reisenbach Foundation
Jack Resnick & Sons, Inc.
Rolex Watch U.S.A., Inc.
Beth Rudin DeWoody, The Rudin Foundation, Inc.
The Shubert Organization, Inc.
Silverstein Properties, Inc.
Mr. & Mrs. Leonard N. Stern
Tonio Burgos & Associates
Ivanka Trump
United Refining Company
Verizon Wireless
Mr. & Mrs. John Veronis
Scott A. Wilpon, New York Mets
The Woods Foundation

Gold Shields – ($5,000.00 + )
A&E Television Networks
Leigh J. Abramson
ARK Restaurants Corporation
Ashby & Geddes, P.A.
Mr. & Mrs. Ron Baron
Chuck Barris
Mr. & Mrs. Sid R. Bass
Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
Cartier North America
Millie C. Cassidy
Mr. & Mrs. David M. Cohen
Consolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc.
Continental Grain Foundation
Michael Douglas
The Estee Lauder Companies Inc.
Andrew L. Farkas
First Precinct Community Council
Fox Rothschild LLP
Global Excess Partners, LLC
Goldman Sachs Gives
Sally Goodgold, The Murray Goodgold Foundation
Colonel Robert Hanke
Gilbert & Charlene Haroche
Peter & Stacy Hochfelder Charitable Foundation, Inc.
Mr. & Mrs. Andrew Hoine
IBM Corporation
Insight Venture Partners
Isaac Bell Medal for Bravery Trust
John Jay College of Criminal Justice
Mark Kingdon, Kingdon Capital Management, LLC
Christopher Kraus & Darcy A. Stacom
The Krongard Foundation
Jeffrey S. Lefleur
Stephen Moss
New York Community Bancorp, Inc.
Newmark Knight Frank
The Optima Charitable Foundation
Pegasus Capital Advisors, L.P.
Penguin Group (USA) Inc.
Permanent Mission of the State of Qatar to the UN
Pfizer Inc
James D. Robinson, IV
The Felix & Elizabeth Rohatyn Foundation, Inc.
Steven Roth
Samson Management, LLC.
Robert & Julie Schaffer
The Segal Company
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Shaye
Frank V. Sica
William D. Siegel
Sony Corporation of America
The Gary & Barbara Siegler Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Tuft
Vicom Infinity, Inc.
Mr. & Mrs. Michael Waldorf
Wendy’s/Arby’s Group, Inc.
The Whitehead Foundation Inc.

Silver Shields – ($1,000.00 + )
A.S.I.S. New York Chapter
Roger E. Ailes
Mr. & Mrs. Alan Alda
The Allison Maher Stern Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Theodore Altman
Anonymous
Mr. & Mrs. Michael Ashner
Asian Advisory Council of Greater New York Corporation
Avenue of the Americas Association
Mr. & Mrs. William H. Barton, Jr.
Basil Walter Architects
Mr. & Mrs. James Baumann
The Beirne Foundation, Inc.
Robert and Renee Belfer Family Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Charles A. Bernheim
The Richard A. & Amelia Bernstein Foundation, Inc.
Bialkin Family Foundation, Inc.
Mr. & Mrs. Hank Bjorklund
Kyle W. Blackmon
BlackRock Inc.
Jordon L. Bleznick
Bloomingdale’s
Mr. & Mrs. Harold Bogle
Amanda Bowman
The Honorable William J. Bratton
Bert E. Brodsky
Muriel & Bert Brodsky Family Foundation
Brookfield Properties Corp.
Marilyn Brown
A.G. Burnham Charitable Fund, Inc.
Carol Higgins Clark
James Clement
Colgate-Palmolive Company
Keith Cozza
Frank Crystal & Company, Inc.
Adam R. Dell
Ron Delsener
Mr. & Mrs. Richard K. DeScherer
Detectives’ Endowment Association
District Attorney Janet DiFiore & Mr. Dennis E. Glazer
Donna Karan International
Mr. & Mrs. Richard C. Dresdale
Duane Reade Charitable Foundation
Ellen and Richard U. Levine Fund
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Mr. & Mrs. Robert B. Fagenson
Federal Law Enforcement Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Harold First
Florida Crystals Corporation
Harold Ford, Jr.
Mr. & Mrs. Roy L. Furman
Hunter C. Gary
Bruce S. Gelb
Glock, Inc.
The Goodman Family Foundation
Gould Paper Corporation
Martin Granoff
Eugene & Emily Grant Family Foundation
The Maurice R. and Corinne P. Greenberg Foundation Inc.
Grubman Indursky & Shire P.C.
Mr. & Mrs. Howard Gruverman
Stephen Haberkorn
“Harper’s Bazaar/Hearst Magazines Division
Harry E. Gould Foundation
Thomas E. Harvey
Ian D. Highet
Donna & Bill Hill Foundation
HL Group, LLC
Mr. & Mrs. Stephen Hundiak
Brett Icahn
John J. Imhoff
John W. Ingraham
Mr. & Mrs. Vincent J. Intrieri
Isermann Family Foundation
Hamilton E. James
Janklow Foundation
Jostens
Mary E. Kane
Mr. & Mrs. Martin E. Kaplan
Mr. & Mrs. George S. Kaufman
Kaufman Management
Colonel Karl S. F. Kirchner
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger
Mr. & Mrs. Edward Kittredge
Kiwi Partners Inc.
Kenneth Kolker
Mr. & Mrs. Harvey M. Krueger
Le Moulin
Alexandra Lebenthal & Jeremy Diamond
Francine LeFrak
The Bertha and Isaac Liberman Foundation, Inc.
Dr. & Mrs. Peter S. Liebert
Lifetouch National School Studios
Mr. & Mrs. Daniel Loeb
Raymond G. Long
Luna Media, Inc.
Mr. & Mrs. Michael Lynne
David S. Mack
The William & Phyllis Mack Family Foundation
Major League Baseball
The Malkin Fund, Inc.
Martini Family Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Michael C. Mauer
John K. McCarthy
McGladrey & Pullen, LLP
McGriff, Seibels & Williams, Inc.
Medco Employee Giving Campaign
Keith Meister
The Messinger Foundation Inc.
Metromedia Company
Mr. & Mrs. Roberto Mignone
Milbank Memorial Fund
Mr. & Mrs. Michael Minikes
Edward J. Minskoff Equities, Inc.
Stephen A. Mongillo & Elisabeth Thorington
Moore Charitable Foundation
Louis G. Morin
Georgette Mosbacher
Mount Sinai Medical Center
Mulligan Security Corporation
Dr. Charlotte Murphy
National Baseball Hall of Fame & Museum, Inc.
National Grid, U.S.
James L. Nederlander
Lynn Nesbit
Daniel A. Ninivaggi
Stanley N. Nortman
Oakley, Inc.
Ramon de Oliveira
Michel Orban
P.J. Clarke’s
Mr. & Mrs. Edward Pantzer
John Papalia
Partnership for New York City
Patricia Lynch Associates, Inc.
D. Kenneth Patton
The Andrew M. Paul Family Foundation
Sandra S. Pershing
Pfizer Foundation Volunteer Program
Radical Media and Entertainment
Mr. & Mrs. Alan Rappaport
Recording Industry Association of America
Luis A. Rey
Liz Robbins
James D. Robinson, III
David Rockefeller
Wilbur L. Ross & Hilary R. Geary
Rotary Foundation of NY Inc.
Rubenstein Associates, Inc.
Howard J. Rubenstein
Steven Russell
S&J Crowley, Inc.
Saks Fifth Avenue
Mr. & Mrs. Michael Saperstein
Elaine L. Sargent
James S. Saunders, Esquire
Mr. & Mrs. S. Andrew Schaffer
Mr. & Mrs. Keith L. Schaitkin
Mr. & Mrs. David S. Schechter
Schulte Roth & Zabel
Schuyler Hill Funeral Home
Barbara Simpson
The Skirball Foundation
Alfred E. Smith
Society Of Honorary Police Surgeons of the City of New York
Sotheby’s
Squadron A. Foundation
Allison Stern
Phyllis B. Stock
Donald Stone
T&M Protection Resources, LLC
Taconic Investment Partners LLC
The Seidler Foundation, Inc.
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner Cable of New York City
Barbara and Donald Tober Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. William H. Turner
UBS Investment Bank
Maria M. Vargas
Vornado Realty Trust
Barbara S. Wainscott
Mr. & Mrs. Jack G. Wasserman
The Emanuel and Anna Weinstein Foundation
Mr. & Mrs. Marc Weitzen
Elizabeth G. Weymouth
Mr. & Mrs. Byron Wien
Winston & Strawn LLP
Michael Wolkowitz
Michael Zimet

That’s a long list of folks who might be or might see themselves as being in the 1%. And the Police Commissioner, while beholding to the mayor that appointed his likely has an independent network of supporters. And then there’s the internal politics of the NYPD to consider as well.

How much is orders? How much is judgment? How much is field discretion?

Kevin – Thanks for adding @not_me to the list. You are really on top of things!

Extreme examples are real easy to come up with. Most of these folks did not study over-specialized skills. And how hard do you intend to punish maybe a good Babylonian archaeologist for the fact that he didn’t accurately anticipate future research funding. Are you going to allow him to take out another loan to accomplish a more “economically needed” field? What happens when after completing his MBA, that one has a market collapse as well and Babylonian archaeologists are being sought but he has “obsolete training”?

If the economy is going to be “creatively destructive” of assets (Schumpeter), exactly how are the human beings who who worked in those assets going to be effectively redeployed through the market to be more “productively employed”?

The answer to your question is Yes, public policy should have places for folks who study Babylonian archaeaology through support of research in the humanities. It does create jobs, and lets the 1% know what antiquities to collect. And public policy should not exact as high a cost for making the transition in a rapidly changing economy.

I get it that you’ve made yours the “hard old-fashioned way”. Lucky you. There are several million people out there who have not seen a paycheck for 99 weeks because of what a small number of derivative managers did. Those derivative managers got bonuses larger than those folks expected lifetime earnings. I guess “that’s life” too. Public policy could have prevented that. And a fair number of these folks have those large student loans.

Well said.

OperationLeakS Anonymous
by birgittaj
Confirmed: One of the protestors is in critical condition. #OccupyWallStreet #TakeWallStreet #OurWallStreet

jeffrae Jeff Rae
Media Team asking for Dell 1525 batteries so they can turn livestream back on. No pizza there is already a mountain of it. #OccupyWallStreet

Wall Street-Area Pizza Shop Rakes In Dough From Hungry Protesters
Pizza Marketing Quarterly (PMQ) http://pmq.com/news/news.php?id=15215

Re: Michael Moore. Glad he gave a shout out to the protests, but it was extremely brief and to make a point in response to how the media ignores protests from the left consistently, while they go out of their way to report on and constantly discuss those from the right. In predictable MSNBC fashion, the discussion was about politics, Obama’s speech, not about what the riff-raff are doing.

Who is working up the police anger?

These folks are protesting the attacks on public unions as well as other things Wall Street money has done? Continuing to attack a protester after a medic tells them they have a potential fatality is stupid on the part of the NYPD.

Are we seeing a loss of discipline on the part of the police or a specific order?

This idea that only certain “practical” majors should be worthy of jobs is really bad. I want a world where there a variety of interests being studied for no other reason than people want to study them. Basically, I don’t care about the argument that some given subject won’t pay or produce so it should not be supported for society. That doesn’t matter to me. It matters a lot to major corporations or cold pricks who don’t want a vibrant culture who only only care about GDP. But it’s not what I want.

Frankly, Rafe, you sound like Erik Erickson and he actually has his own blog you might want to venture on over to. You don’t have to or anything of course, it just might fit you better. Student loan debt now exceeds credit card debt and if that’s cool with you, I don’t know what to tell you other than you might be Jamie Dimon’s long lost son.

Pic of guy getting stomped on by police:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Occupy-Wall-Street-Day-4-by-Chaz-Valenza-110920-114.html

This is all incredibly disturbing.

Plus, keep in mind there may be an amount of money in the budget for “sorting out” suits against NYPD. They can probably cover any liability that comes from acting first and asking questions later. Violating the law blatantly and egregiously is okay.

We don’t know what police want to happen with this occupation, how it is affecting law enforcement in NYPD. What are officer resources being used for here that NYPD thinks need to be used elsewhere?

I predict Michael Moore will be giving a speech in Liberty Park soon.

Agree, well written.

By the way, I am thankful for Babylonian archaeologists.

Anyone heard of Babylonian Mathematics?

Math has a great part to play in the economic success of a country. Guess we needed all those scholars to unlock Babylonian clay math tablets. After all, it is math that we use to this day.

Just a few stats to highlight how the bankers the FED have robbed us while paying themselves more. Please everyone you need to check out Bill Still link I posted earlier and his doc ‘money masters”

The only way to start fixing our problem is to start by taking the power to print money from the bankers. Whoever controls the money supply controls the system. It is that simple and we need to wake people up to this, how it works, so they can focus on what needs to change

From ProPublica:

The number of Americans earning below the poverty line in 2010: 46.2 million people
Official U.S. poverty rate in 2007, before the recession: 12.5 percent
Percentage of the population making less than half the poverty line in 2010: 6.7 percent
Percentage of the population making less than half the poverty line in 2007, before the recession: 5.2 percent
Real median household income in 1999, in 2010 dollars: $53,252
Median income for full-time male workers in 2010: $47,715
Median income for full-time male workers in 1973, in 2010 dollars: $49,065
Official unemployment rate in August 2011: 9.1 percent
Total number of unemployed people in August: 14 million
Number of people who were employed part-time for economic reasons in August 2011: 8.8 million
Number of people not counted in the labor force who wanted work: 2.6 million
Net jobs created in August 2011: 0
Total number of long-term unemployed people as of August 2011: 6 million
Number of unemployed workers per job opening, as of July 2011: About 4.34 (3.2 million openings and 13.9 million unemployed people in July 2011)

This blog is suddenly one of three liveblogs covering this. Brutality backfire?

Wild guess or are you in the backchannel?

Babylonian mathematics? I use it every day. The most overlooked example: I tell time with 24 hours of 60 minutes of 60 seconds in a year that is roughly 360 days long.

There should be more, but that’s good more are tuning in. What are the other ones?

DhaniBagels Dhani Bagels
Just got interviewed by the new york times about the arrests this morning! #occupywallstreet #ourwallstreet

OP ED news has one (I lined to it above) and I just closed out the other one. Don’t remember name/url.

Free public showings of Inside Job and Capitalism: A Love Story would be worth trying to arrange. Perhaps nationwide as well as in NYC and even in the park.

Charles Furguson and Audrey Marrs would be good to get out there to speak.

Oh my god!

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/09/20/323856/yahoo-censoring-occupy-wall-street-protests/

ThinkProgress has reviewed claims that Yahoo is censoring e-mails relating to the protest and found that after several attempts on multiple accounts, we too were prevented from sending messages about the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations.

I knew you would catch on!

He is on a book tour so that limits his ability to pick up and run, but he flew to Wisconsin to support that occupation. If this keeps going into the weekend, he will be in NYC to deliver a speech at some point. Also, wouldn’t be surprised if we hear about Rev. Jesse Jackson visiting the scene.

Pressstorm

Got that one in the blog.

I hope so, but they could also use one of the thousands of indie bands, DJ’s, hip hop artists in that city. The kids will follow as many are there to be around those people. What’s more rad than them performing impromptu, even unplugged/acoustic in these protests instead of the usual crowded venue? It’d also be rad if Cornel West and Tavis Smiley dropped in. We’ll see. I think at the moment it’s at a rag-tag group of oddballs phase in the public’s mind. Hopefully we can survive this phase, though the NYPD and their masters are just as determined to end it asap.

May finally get some MSM attention (?) Edit: guess it takes injuries and arrests

@DhaniBagels
Dhani Bagels
Just got interviewed by the new york times about the arrests this morning! #occupywallstreet #ourwallstreet
7 minutes ago via Echofon

@jeffrae
Jeff Rae
So of the 6-7 people arrested this morning at least 1 has already been released #OccupyWallStreet #uprisingonwallst
3 minutes ago via HootSuite

You are fast!

Someone/people high up takes this seriously and has pressured Yahoo to censor.

while these docs are good they do not explain the root of the problem. For that people need to see Bill Still “money masters” and check him out on keiser today where he simple explains how we can fix the problem at its root, which is to take teh power to issue money away from the banks. There are other great videos etc that explain how our current monetary system is what creates debt slaves and is designed to funnel money to the top from us.

Boxturtle (My msg to Wall St. comes with pepperoni)

You often make me smile.

I would show them all. A movie marathon.

Have you heard jackson on MSNBC. He is a shrill for Obama and continues this left vs right illusion. Moore while better is also caught up in the left vs right dog and pong show. Be careful. i suggest you check out Bill Still who gets it and puts forward simple solutions that do not feed into the left vs right BS

Like this one:

@allisonkilkenny
allisonkilkenny
“Hey, our service is totally out-of-date and sucks, but is it FASCIST enough?” -Yahoo executive #OccupyWallStreet
9 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Are people at the protest and in support on of the most effective things to do is take their money out of the big banks. starve the beast and watch it die.

Is livestream really live right now?

The Federal Reserve was created exactly to take the power to print money out of the hands of the bankers. It seems that bankers were creating money bubbles and panics by creating much more money than they had the reserves to handle in a crisis and then panicking at how much money they created. The Federal Reserve requires them to have sufficient reserves and even provides a place to store those reserves. The Federal Reserve restricts or expands the money supply by how it sets reserve requirements, the interest rate on reserve loans to banks, and the selling and buying of government debt.

The problem with credit default swaps is that investment bankers found a way to create money without reserve requirements by buying and selling risk instruments on bundles of mortgages. Because third parties could hedge on transactions to which they were not a part, the amount of money that could be leveraged off those assets became very large and beyond the reach of the central banks that regulate banking–an exposure that in 2008 was estimated to be in the neighborhood of $100T. It was the panic over that phony money that was outside the regulatory framework of the Federal Reserve that nearly brought down the financial system. The Federal Reserve loaned about $2T out of reserves to counterparties of US banks caught in the panic. That succeeded in preventing that $100T in credit default swaps from ever being activated by events. The banks were responsible for restoring that amount to the reserves of the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is a nice target because it was Allen Greenspan’s mismanagement of its functions that allowed banks to seek out opportunities that they would not have under his low interest rate policy. Greenspan kept bringing out the punchbowl after the party was drunk under the table. They almost killed themselves on the punch.

The Federal Reserve is a flawed institution that has serious governance issues and tried to goose the economy through purely monetary means in the face of stubborn unemployment that led to the collapse of the housing market. But it should not be scapegoated for what it did not do or did that was successful in averting a more major problem.

The problem is in the regulation of the banks to keep them from so gaming the system that they destroy the financial markets. As they nearly succeeded in doing in this instance. And that problem has been with Congress’s unwillingness to admit that deregulation was a big mistake. And that unwillingness has been funded by Wall Street and Wichita.

Yahoo! censorship reported confirmed:

@Adbusters
Adbusters Magazine
Confirmed: Yahoo! is censoring links to occupywallst.org – thinkprogress.org/media/2011/09/… techdirt.com/articles/20110… youtube.com/watch?v=cmj9Tf… #OCCUPYWALLSTREET

10 minutes ago via web

Edit: per Think Progress
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/09/20/323856/yahoo-censoring-occupy-wall-street-protests/

I suggested moving money to credit unions in the thread last night.

Not going to apply some litmus test to people who support the occupation.

Maybe [Edit: critical condition] not confirmed (?)

@jeffrae
Jeff Rae
Can someone vouch for the identity of @occupywallst Ive spoken to people on the ground that cannot confirm critical condition claim #OWSnews
3 minutes ago via HootSuite

The abuse:remedy ratio always favors continued abuse. And the cops know that.

Not sure where you learned about the creation of Federal Reserve but in fact it was created by the same banks you say it was supposed to regulate. The legislation to create it was rushed through over xmas to a nearly empty congress, and the legislation was crated by the main bankers in secret.

The system was meant to limit bank lending to 12 to 1. But we found at that during the crisis banks were lending as high as 200, 300 to 1. and it is still going on. The FED is a captive of the banks and it is the banks that control through fractional reserve the money supply. The exception would be QE by the Fed which only benefited the banks.

Under the current system the govt has no control over the FED it is an illusion and through fractional reserve it is the banks who control the money and thus they control the govt

Did not say you were. just be aware of who they are and do not left them highjack it as a left vs right issue. that’s all

Appears not critical:

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
@jeffrae My error. Huge apologizes!
1 minute ago via web

@OccupyWallStNYC
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Organizer released now w/o charges. 6 others arrested, being held w/o charges, 1st precinct #TakeWallStreet #NYPD youtube.com/watch?v=7M186K…

5 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Was that the livestream crew that got violently arrested earlier?

If I were the CIA/NYPD, I’d be itching to to interrogate the members of the livestream crew running the “globalrevolution” channel that periodically had an Anonymous logo in the upper left-hand corner.

Checking back in. Whew! Still no live feed. I guess it’s time to sit on the twitter and search the You Tube again.

Shhhh! Whispers only.

Been sitting on the twitter for a while, not much going on. Lots of retweets.

Well, they’re probably not stupid. If I thought of it, they’ve probably been plotting for days. Rain/take tarp/water damage equipment/illegally seize equipment/make media team angry/arrest is awfully perfect if there was a larger agenda.
I very well might just be being paranoid, tho.

Doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

It was created by the Congress as a response to a series of panics. Of course the banks were in on the creation, they had the “technical expertise”". Of course the legislation proceeded through the usual Congressional tricks. The governance problems were baked in at the beginning, but the government can have control over because it was created by legislation and the Board of Governors is appointed with the advice and consent of the Senate. That means that if there is the political will, the governance problem can be dealt with. And some of the other problems as well.

Now are you saying the problem is too much money in the money supply because banks are lending 200 and 300 to 1? Because, the problem seems to be where the money is going — trading paper instead of investment in job workplaces. If the banks were lending with smaller reserves that required, that is an enforcement issue. The banking regulators have clear authority to deal with that.

What we found during the crisis is that banks were lending using as assets derivatives that really were risk instruments. It was the ballooning of those risk transactions that created money outside of the regulation of the fractional reserve system.

Having an alternative to the Federal reserve likely wouldn’t have altered the situation in the collapse of mortgage instruments. And could likely have made the consequences worse depending on what the alternate means of regulation was.

Bank lending and the number of hands the money passes through before returning to the bank controls the money supply. Bank transactions, not bankers, control its supply. What bankers do is charge as much and sometimes more that the aggregate of those transactions can bear in the money market as interest. That in itself affects but does not control the money supply as any banker who has lost his shirt knows.

People have been so accustomed to thinking in terms of actors that they have difficulty grasping network effects that are not intentionally caused by the actors involved. But that’s the way it is in distributed financial, information, or communication systems.

DOWNTOWN — The J/Z train was out of service Tuesday for a second straight day while protestors continued to disrupt business around Wall Street.

The station was blocked off by police pens set up along Wall Street, an MTA spokesman said.

The pens were meant to direct foot traffic along Wall Street’s sidewalks and act as a checkpoint to workers in the area, who have to show identification to get into their buildings.

The MTA was not sure when the station would reopen.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110920/downtown/broad-street-jz-station-closed-again-tuesday

And what would you want to ask them? Or is “interrogation” just another means of control?

Great idea.

Oh really?

for a second straight day while protestors continued to disrupt business around Wall Street.

Folks standing in the sidewalk doesn’t fit my image of disruption for New Yorkers. But then, I’m out here in the boonies where we don’t have police pens.

I’d want to know who was funding them (and not take “Look at my shitty dell computer! I fund me!” as a valid answer.) I’d want passwords. Info about global organization.

I’m sure it’s about control, too.

The sight of peasants is disturbing.

OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall St.
Cheers for @NYCLU for supporting us #OccupyWallStreet
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/216942/20110920/police-arrest-occupy-wall-street-anonymous-media-team-as-protest-intensifies-hackers-news-video.htm

Thanks.

Nothing draws a crowd like a free movie viewing that just happens to illuminate the concerns of the crowd.

And your “probable cause” is? Oh wait, that’s that 4th amendment stuff. “This is just a friendly chat.”

btw, Mike Papantonio, substituting on Schultz’s radio show, told folks to start watching what is going on with #OccupyWallStreet. Meaning, watch your liberties be slowly eroded unless there is a huge reaction.

So.

I’m thinking what might really be needed for #needsoftheoccupiers is a whole new livestream crew/set-up.

This is also CIA, I’m thinking. And anonymous has been labled a potential threat to “national security” by the DHS.

YourAnonNews Anonymous
We hear that there is blood on Wall Street. We need to know if this is true. Anon’s lasers on standby.

Finally, wondered if they would do this:

@NYCSep17
September 17
#occupywallstreet block long march heading towards wallstreet.
4 seconds ago via txt

Edit: closing bell in 20 minutes

@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Good analysis by BBC(for once) on #OccupyWallStreet: Could world social unrest hit Americas streets? bbc.in/rqAOED
What do you think?

BBC: Could world social unrest hit America’s streets?

Well, what do you think?

t was created by the Congress as a response to a series of panics. Of course the banks were in on the creation, they had the “technical expertise””. Of course the legislation proceeded through the usual Congressional tricks. The governance problems were baked in at the beginning, but the government can have control over because it was created by legislation and the Board of Governors is appointed with the advice and consent of the Senate. That means that if there is the political will, the governance problem can be dealt with. And some of the other problems as well.

If you read the history several times the bankers tried to set up a central bank. jackson stopped them and he among others warned if the bankers are allowed to control the supply of money they will control the system. I paraphrase. Before 1913 they tried again, but failed. So they bought Wilson, changed the name federal reserve, to deceive the people, and got it through when congress was empty. If it was such a good thing why meet in secret to craft the legislation, why by wilson and why rush it through at midnight? Technically congress can get rid of it, but it has never happened and until recently its creation and true owners kept hidden from the people

Now are you saying the problem is too much money in the money supply because banks are lending 200 and 300 to 1? Because, the problem seems to be where the money is going — trading paper instead of investment in job workplaces. If the banks were lending with smaller reserves that required, that is an enforcement issue. The banking regulators have clear authority to deal with that. No I am saying he who controls the supply of money controls the power. Plain and simple

Having an alternative to the Federal reserve likely wouldn’t have altered the situation in the collapse of mortgage instruments. And could likely have made the consequences worse depending on what the alternate means of regulation was.

Deregulation is what allowed the banks to operate as casinos. The crises could have been averted. Greenspan through his policies further fueled the problems by inflating various problems. i for one believe he knew what he was doing, although he later pretended he did not see it coming. 2. getting rid of the Fed and taking the control of the money supply away from the banks is the only solutions Because even if we had the proper regulations they still control the supply of money and thus the system

Bank lending and the number of hands the money passes through before returning to the bank controls the money supply. Bank transactions, not bankers, control its supply. What bankers do is charge as much and sometimes more that the aggregate of those transactions can bear in the money market as interest. That in itself affects but does not control the money supply as any banker who has lost his shirt knows.

NO banks control the money supply by deciding who and what to lend to. that includes the money lent to our govt and all govts

People have been so accustomed to thinking in terms of actors that they have difficulty grasping network effects that are not intentionally caused by the actors involved. But that’s the way it is in distributed financial, information, or communication systems. There was a report out, can not remember where i saw it, but if i do will post. it showed that the top banks are all interconnected, and that they are a few actors that control the game at the top

Who and where is AnanonymouSabu is probably high on the list of questions they’d loooove to ask. Just sayin’

Uh oh. No violence, please.

@OccupyWallSt
Occupy Wall St.
storyful.com/stories/100000… Yahoo apologises #OccupyWallStreet

3 minutes ago via web

Edit: Full link:
http://storyful.com/stories/1000008269

YourAnonNews was tweeting from a BART action in SF yesterday. Not sure what his source for NYC is. Unless it’s a late reference to the report of a protester being in critical condition.

One last thing on the Fed it has been operating in secret since its existence. it was only when reporter from Bloomberg (now dead, may he rest in peace) forced their hand through the FOIA, we learned the FEd had lent 16 trillion to all kinds of bank and quazi bank entities.

I know if we got a look at what it has been up to this last 100 years there would be a revolution on the street tomorrow.

We can discuss this later. And I’m sure we will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz6kaML0p-Q

Explanation of arrests this morning (how,what happened). Per:

@AyeshaKazmi
AmericanPaki
Video of @kennethlipp explaining what happened during police arrests. Please watch &disseminate bit.ly/peLQ4K #OccupyWallStreet
3 minutes ago via web

Edit: same link as above

@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Video of @kennethlipp explaining what happened during police arrests. Please watch &disseminate bit.ly/peLQ4K

@kennethlipp’s report

One last, last thing I also think people are waking up to the role of the FED, and MSM, and politicians are now talking about it, because the plan is to blame the final implosion on it, let it go and replace it with SDR’s and a global central bank., or some variation. This still means the banks control the money supply, so that is why it is important for people to get to the root of the problem, or all we will have ‘is meet the new boss same as the old boss”

You’re quick. Thanks.

I think it’s a late reference to the AM violence/arrests.

John Fugelsang

If the #occupywallstreet protestors had worn teabags on their hats that liberal media would have covered them.

Jamie Kilstein

Yahoo Pitch Meeting: “But you know what G-mail doesn’t have?…” #OccupyWallStreet

Tyler Vazquez

Was there a class war today? Great, just something else nobody invited me to.

John Fugelsang

I never got a job from a poor man, but I never had my job outsourced to Asia by a poor man, either.

Jim Earl

Taxing the rich isn’t enough. It’s time for urine tests, followed by a paragraph on where they see themselves 5 years from now.

YourAnonNews Anonymous
. @NYPDnews Have you heard of Anon? RT @nwochat: @YourAnonNews According to this goo.gl/NQkXq one of them is in critical condition.

Actually, athena1 beat me (just above).

The Eurobank, and national central banks already act as a distributed global Federal Reserve.

Taxing the rich isn’t enough. It’s time for urine tests, followed by a paragraph on where they see themselves 5 years from now.

Hilarious. Marion, OH would be a good answer to the last question.

Hard to believe it was an accident by the spam filters considering their spam filters are supposedly among the weakest. It’s not like the tags contained any common spam words like #OccupyNigeriaBank4Money #SexViagraStreet

not_me jf
just fyi to everyone I have left the protest as I have business abroad that I *must* go to.

I think that was debunked, see 201 and 205 above.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%40NYPDnews

Could be that the spam filters use “#” as a control token. If they’re that primitive.

Not debunked, just unconfirmed? Either way, I was noticing/pointing out that Anon is getting really pissed.

OMG That should win friends. Folks on NYPD who thinks the “cybersecurity” social media guy @NYPD has a cushy job. “Hey, Joey. I heard you were in the line of fire from Anonymous today.”

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23OpShadow

New hashtag just showed up.

Point taken.

Different video of AM arrests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTJH4ZZU_oA&feature=player_embedded

LOL Isn’t there a correctional facility at Marion, OH?

SecureMax I believe.

Codadlaw Codaddy
@NYPDnews I find it an odd coincidence that Jason Ahmadi was arrested when just yesterday he gave info to The Guardian

Lance Henderstein

The rich wouldn’t be so shortsighted if they gave up on those silly monocles.

Robin McCauley

Using my unemployment check to pay my student loan.

Allison Kilkenny

Lots of people telling me best #OccupyWallStreet coverage came from – surprise – Al Jazeera.

Louis Peitzman

I’m not a Republican—I’ve just run out of other ways to rebel against my upbringing.

Ministry of Truth at Daily Kos has a diary up there:

#OccupyWallStreet video MUST. GO. VIRAL. (They fear a class war, let’s give em one!)+

You expect more than just profiling?

OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
We need flowers. Surprise coming… #needsoftheoccupiers #takewallstreet #OccupyWallStreet #sep17 #antibanks #SOLIDARITY

Not sure.

I can only imagine.

Interesting request. I hope things don’t get too er, retro sixties-like. Keep it modern, people!

Michael Riley was on his way home to Queens from a friend’s house in Brooklyn early this morning when he decided to stop by Zuccotti Park to see how the protesters were faring. He picked up some coffee, muffins, and Snapple and brought it all by the park, where many of the 200 or so remaining protesters were still asleep in sleeping bags and makeshift tarp shelters.

​”A little after I arrived, a police officer walked over and politely asked everyone to remove the tarps and tents,” Riley said. “He said it was private property, and everyone had 10 minutes to take down any free-standing structures or anything tied to trees or posts.”

Riley and several others circulated through the camp, spreading the word. Some of the protesters objected, arguing that they shouldn’t cooperate with the police request, but they were overruled by the majority, Riley says.

“All of a sudden, not five minutes after they first brought it up, about half a dozen cops are wading into the camp, forcibly tearing down tarps and pushing people around even as they were trying to comply with the orders. They were pushing young women around. I consider myself a moderate, I was just observing, but I found it quite disturbing.”

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/09/occupy_wall_str_1.php

And now both a neighborhood and series of personal networks in both Queens and Brooklyn now have a powerful witness.

Dylan Ratigan just had a segment on the Wall Street actions. I just caught the tail end of it but it didn’t look like it was filled with that much support for OccupyWallStreet. The MSM were going to be forced to pick this up eventually because it’s a huge story and it’s important they do so good job all who have helped make this successful so far. It is really funny seeing the MSNBC regulars try and relate to what’s going on. So often they’re deliberately isolated from attacks on powerful entities and now they can’t be.

Of course Dylan, in theory, is supportive of some sort of restrictions on finance and believes it’s out of control. I don’t hear much of his take on it since I caught only the end of it though. Hopefully he is behind this all the way, but if he isn’t, oh well.

OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
ANNOUNCEMENT – Kristin will be opening our Occupiers Childcare Center 2morrow 10am-1pm. Needs toys/games/comfy chairs

That’s a helpful sign.

7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
The Seattle Times
7 more arrests at Wall Street protest
Albany Times Union
New York City police make 7 more arrests at ongoing Wall Street protest
Washington Post
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
Buffalo News
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
Fort Worth Star Telegram
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
Sacramento Bee
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
San Francisco Chronicle
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
Houston Chronicle
7 more arrests at Wall Street protest
Seattle Post Intelligence
7 protesters arrested at Wall St. demonstration
Albany Times Union

-mostly AP(new york)

File under All:

@eccleszer Ebenezer O.
The “greed” of #wallstreet is a moral failure, question is: can legislation cure this? #occupywallstreet

Nope, Ebenezer but it can curtail a lot of the rewards that encourage the behavior. And make it a lot harder to act out.

One of the campers blogs at Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/20/1018656/–Occupywallst:-Updates-from-Liberty-Plaza?via=siderec

SabzBrach tweeting (from PA, apparently). IMO she did the best reporting from the occupation.

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
As we predicted, they allowed the ‘structures’ to remain up all night and waited for the rain to tell us to remove them.
13 minutes ago via txt

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
A ‘structure’ that was legal all night was suddenly not okay when the rain began. The sgt gave us 1 minute to remove the tarp.
6 minutes ago via txt

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
This was after a night of increasing mission creep and psychological intimidation.
12 minutes ago via txt

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
Protesters even asked law enforcement on site about erecting tarps and were told it was okay.
12 minutes ago via txt

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
The sgt was openly antagonistic and hostile from the time of his arrival.
4 minutes ago via txt

The glue of society is the ethical code (e.g. ethic of reciprocity).

“Soy Una Roca” (“I Am A Rock”)

@Nickf4rr Nick Farr
My #occupywallstreet map g.co/maps/xmepa

Good diary. I put the linked list of food place on the Support #OccupyWallStreet diary on MyFDL.

Kevin, would you add @an0nyc to the list?

@SabzBrach
Joanne Michele
A lot of ppl are asking me how they can donate. I’ll be away for a day or 2. Consider @an0nyc the point man on scene. @occupywallst
2 minutes ago via txt

And the NYC activist network, which apparently had no clue this was happening, is just getting into gear.

woohoo cavalry!

Unfortunately, one cannot always depend on “moral sentiments”. And that is why there are governments and laws. The glue works 99% or more of the time, and when it doesn’t there is law — and hopefully justice.

btw, the notion of an ethic of reciprocity is the whole argument in Adam Smith’s “A Theory of Moral Sentiments”, which is the view of human nature that he brought to his “Inquiry on the Wealth of Nations”.

Nice music.

Yep — I took a break to cover Troy Davis. But I am about to launch a new live blog post for this evening (since we are close to 300 comments here).

Carpool To Occupy Wallstreet Facebook Page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-Occupy-Wallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall

The act of just doing it and not having union support or NYC activist network support or much support at all may actually pay off.

Also, livestream appears to really be live again (at least when you open the channel up in a new window.)

Added to Support diary.

Bridger Winegar

I don’t want to go to hell, but gosh, what I wouldn’t do to go SOMEWHERE in a handbasket.

Danny Zuker

Times are tough, but this country has found its way through darker times. Remember when everybody was super into cigars?

Allison Kilkenny

Good news: Ratigan played clips from #OccupyWallStreet. Bad news: He’s now having on Dennis Strigl, former Verizon CEO, to respond.

Peter-john Byrnes

I hope I live to see the day when the tv show 24 looks as ridiculous and quaint as the movie Red Dawn.

Steven Weber

It was disconcerting when Ronald Reagan would open his shirt at a cabinet meeting to reveal his nipple and say “That’s where Mommy lingers”.

In response to our back and forth on teh FEd. This letter was just sent to Ben from repubs

Dear Chairman Bernanke:

We firmly believe that monetary policy decisions by the U.S. Federal Reserve must be free and independent from political pressures. At the same time, the Federal Reserve should be open to receiving input and data from a wide range of sources. This combination preserves confidence in the credibility and effectiveness of decisions made by the Federal Reserve.

The first line says it all. Are we to believe that Ben was plucked out of princeton and given so much power which he gets to use independently? Greenspan said on record that the FED was not subject to congress, beyond those pesky meet and greets. Do you really think Ben, one man has so much unfettered power? His boss is the BIS and the BIS is made up of international bankers. That is who run the Fed and our money supply. They need to have that power taken from them.

anonops AnonOps
Media center is back up and running. #OccupyWallStreet & #TakeWallStreet

New live blog

@YourAnonNews
Anonymous
Getting reports that 3G / mobile data has been cut off on Wall Street will let you know if we get confirmation. #OccupyWallStreet
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Interesting that letter. What’s their beef? Is the CFPB starting to take baby steps to doing something? They wouldn’t be bitching about anything the BIS wanted to do.

I’m not so sure that the central bankers on the BIS would want the responsibility of running the Fed and our money supply. They have enough headaches with their own banking systems. It is not one huge well-oiled machine. It still depends on personal relationships, ambitions, and antagonisms. The more control a high-level executive exerts the less control they have. I have seen it over and over with the companies I’ve worked for and the federal agencies I’ve seen operate from the inside. The politics inside huge organizations is extremely complex, and the folks who institutionally can outlast the top guy who either has a limited term or a limited time to deliver result is much underrated. Exactly which powers that the Chair of the Federal Reserve has would you want to see taken away from him?

The discussion here has veered from the institutional powers of the FED to the political use those institutional powers have been put. That means that changing the institution will not necessarily change the game.

I have told what my beef is. We need to change who controls the money supply. That is the banks and the Fed is just their to shore that up. The Fed is also cover for the politicians. hey look it is independent we don’t want it to print more money and make even more people destitute, but it is independent. But the reality is the system is benefits the politicians are very much dependent the banks.

Hmm the bIS is the head bank for all the central banks including the Fed, so not sure what you mean. Yes agreed it is all built on relationships they have controlled for a long time. yes, it is the civil servant that works in govt/bank situations, year in year out that control quite a bit. most people focus on who is new on teh political stage, but do nor understand that it is the long timers, behind the scenes, that have been there regardless of who is in power that run the show.

There was a program in Britain called “Yes Minister” that short of showed this. It showed that most of these types were full entrenched in the status quo. That has been occupation by the banking class for at least a few hundred years.

ps: sorry for the typos. write to fast and forget to check

have to re write as too many types

I have told you what my beef is. We need to change who controls the money supply. That is the bank. The Fed is just their to shore that up. The Fed is also cover for the politicians. Who can say ” hey look it is independent we don’t want it to print more money and make even more people destitute, but it is independent, blah blah” But the reality is this system benefits the politicians who are very much dependent the banks, and provides banks cover.

Hmm the bIS is the head bank for all the central banks including the Fed, so not sure what you mean. Yes agreed it is all built on relationships that they have controlled for a long time. yes, it is the civil servant that works in govt/bank situations, year in year out that control quite a bit. most people focus on who is new on the political stage, but do nor understand that it is the long timers, behind the scenes, that have been there regardless of who is in power that run the show.

There was a program in Britain called “Yes Minister” that short of showed this. It showed that most of these types were full entrenched in the status quo. And that is occupation by the banking class for at least a few hundred years.