(photo: Truthout.org )Was it when it was after 10 pm and the Supreme Court still hadn’t issued a decision? Was it when the Supreme Court issued a “temporary reprieve” instead of a stay of execution and left people emotionally on edge outside the prison? Or was it when there was an abrupt flurry of sirens that pulled up and police storm troopers marched over to provide reinforcement for a line of police, which had been standing on guard? Was that when it became apparent Troy Davis was going to be killed Wednesday night?
The state calls it the Georgia Diagnostic Prison. It is where Davis was taken and prepped and then placed on a gurney and he laid there with an IV in his arm strapped down for hours waiting to hear what would happen to him. He refused his last meal. He did not make a statement. Davis had unshakable faith in miracles and believed that he would be granted some kind of a miracle and not be put to death; instead he experienced cruel and unusual punishment—torture—in his final hours of life.
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas allegedly took a last minute appeal from Troy Davis and began to discuss it with his eight colleagues. As Davis and supporters were in agony, they feigned interest in the case of Troy Davis. But, the Court didn’t really care. If it did, the execution would not have unfolded as it did Wednesday night. People from all over the world would not have been demonstrating at embassies around the world wondering what the US would do because there would have been some serious intervention taken—intervention that would properly review new evidence that had come to the fore after his conviction.
The murder of Troy Davis, defenders of the act will say, provided closure to the family of Officer MacPhail, whom Davis was convicted of killing with, as people have been repeating for the past week, “too much doubt.” If Davis is not the killer, the family has no closure. The person who really committed the crime is still on the loose. Putting Davis to death just gave the MacPhails and others a reason to move on and abandon a quest for legalized vengeance. And, so, what society and citizens who have no problem with this atrocity are in effect saying is as long as someone can be found to be cast as the convict and as long as the state can carry out the death sentence to the end result, which involves state-sanctioned murder, justice will be done.
The act was sanitized. Troy Davis had to get a physical before he was killed. Once he was injected and unconscious, they then had to inject him with more lethal fluid to make sure he was dead. They put rubbing alcohol on his arm before inserting the needle.
What kind of a society has prison facilities with such bland innocuous names as the Georgia Diagnostic Prison? One almost wonders if they refer to lethal injections within the prison as “diagnostic procedures” like perhaps the tests one runs on a computer to see how it is functioning. With each human being put to death, does the prison get a better sense of how it is performing and not performing? Does it then hold meetings so “diagnostics” are much better when the next Troy Davis needs to be killed?
The precautionary measures taken to give the execution a veneer of compassion are comparable to the measures taken to have psychologists present for interrogations of detainees subjected to torture. Somehow it is acceptable if there is some level of decorum.
The officer that Davis was convicted of killing was white. The racial and class bias is impossible to ignore. As Michelle Alexander details in her seminal book, The New Jim Crow, the US criminal justice system has developed a tolerance of racism:
Warren McCleskey was a black man facing the death penalty for killing a white police officer during an armed robbery in Georgia. Represented by the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, McCleskey challenged his death sentence on the grounds that Georgia’s death penalty scheme was infected with racial bias and thus violated the Fourteenth and Eighth Amendments. In support of his claim, he offered an exhaustive study of more than two thousand murder cases in Georgia. The study was known as the Baldus study—named after Professor David Baldus, who was its lead author. The study found that defendants charged with killing white victims received the death penalty eleven times more often than defendants charged with killing black victims. Georgia prosecutors seemed largely to blame for the disparity; they sought the death penalty in 70 percent of cases involving black defendants and white victims, but only 19 percent of cases involving white defendants and black victims.
Not only did, McCleskey v. Kemp, show the criminal justice system was willing to tolerate racism but it showed the Court was unwillingly to admit it was racist. McCleskey’s study was rejected by the Court, which maintained “statistical evidence of race discrimination in Georgia’s death penalty system did not prove unequal treatment under the law.”
[Here is a letter written by Troy Davis just before his execution.]
The killing of Troy Davis was ugly and grotesque. Executive Director of Amnesty International Larry Cox said on Democracy Now!’s exceptional coverage of the execution that a human being had just been systematically killed. “The deliberate cold-blooded killing of a human being, who poses no threat to no one,” Cox said, had just taken place.
Cox added the blame belongs to a system that is wrong, broken, cruel and inhumane. He said just like slavery the death penalty is something that can no longer be ended and capital punishment cannot be defended in any form.
The United States government likes to stand before the world and claim to be a beacon for human rights. But it cannot directly confront other nation’s leaders or peoples on human rights issues and claim to be some moral and respectable role model on human rights when it allows atrocities such as this to be committed.
The US was placed fifth in “2010’s global executions race,” according to Amnesty International. The US carried out 46 state-sanctioned killings. China executed the most with 1,000-plus killed, then Iran with 252 killings, then North Korea with 60 killings and then Yemen with 53 killings. And, China, Iran, North Korea, and Yemen all have one thing in common: very poor records on human rights.
As the people’s historian Howard Zinn wrote in A Power Governments Cannot Suppress in Chapter 10, “Killing People to ‘Send a Message’”:
There are societies that do not pretend to be “civilized”—military dictatorships and totalitarian states—and execute their victims without ceremony. Then there are nations like the United States, whose claim to be civilized rests on the fact that its punishments are legitimized by a complex set of judicial procedures. This is called “due process,” despite the fact that each step in this process is tainted by racial prejudice, class bias or political discrimination.
The death penalty itself is only one manifestation of the violence by the state against those whom it considers dispensable, either because they are poor, nonwhite or part of a movement that threatens the existing structure of wealth and power. In the case, for instance of death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal, he embodies all of those expendable characteristics—being poor, black and a self-proclaimed revolutionary.
He concluded the chapter with the following, “Is not the death penalty a kind of terror waged by the state, one death at a time, an attempt to instill fear and obedience in the population? That is the perverted sense of morality which now rules and will go on ruling, until Americans decide that it will no longer be tolerated.”
Is the murder of Troy Davis the moment that Americans will remember as the instance in history when they refused to no longer tolerate the death penalty? Will political and social cynicism be abandoned for the sake of instilling some much-needed humanity into American society?
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The state of Georgia and the US Supreme Court went ahead and made certain Davis was put to death Wednesday night and not tomorrow and not next month or a year from now. The resolve showed a belief in the death penalty and its utility in meting out justice and bringing “closure.” But, the shock and awe experienced by Troy Davis and his family, by supporters, by human rights defenders, by people who demonstrated all over the world, by the more than thirty thousand who tuned in to watch Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman and by the people following the news on the Internet may lead to the abolition of capital punishment.
With the same doggedness individuals displayed in their effort to ensure Troy Davis’ death warrant was carried out, numerous citizens of the United States will now go to work. They will re-double efforts and escalate campaigns so that one day people in this country may be able to doggedly ensure the delivery of a death warrant to all state governments, which metaphorically speaking lethally injects the death penalty and kills it once and for all in the United States.



195 Comments

Excellent piece, Kevin. I really wish you had not had to write it.
I wish I didn’t have to write it.
In my soul I feel, based on what I’ve read about Troy Davis and heard people say about Troy Davis, he would have wanted the editorials condemning what happened to be posted instantly. He would have wanted us to waste no time drawing attention to how his execution means the death penalty must be abolished now especially so heinous spectacles like the one in Georgia Wednesday night can one day no longer occur.
Well said.
Thanks for making the best of an atrocity, Kevin. I’m still angry and sad and stunned. But you’re right about Troy’s probable wishes.
Hopefully it will end soon, and Troy’s death will be no small contribution to the cause.
Thank you for another extraordinary piece on Troy Davis, Kevin. This is so wrong on so many levels. You have done an excellent job bringing his story up front.
I wish we could have made a difference, I wish we could have given Troy the hope he deserved.
fail. fail. fuck obama. fail.
Thank you, Kevin.
Yes.
Troy Davis was innocent.
Troy Davis was murdered.
And the whole world was watching …
DW
I’m shocked and upset – i went to bed last night happy that Troy was alive. How did the Supreme Justices vote?
I hope the delay wasn’t some sham just to buy time for the SWAT to arrive – that would be grotesque.
Legally he couldn’t stop the execution. But he could have spoken out against it. There was no chance of that, however, being that he’s too determined to show the corporations that on him that he’s a perfectly obedient house servant of theirs.
The State of Georgia was waiting for the SCOTUS decision – which since it arrived within hours shows that they wanted Davis killed as much as anyone.
How did the O appointees vote?
Excellent piece. We don’t need a southern governor like Perry for president no matter how bad Obama is. Those of us that are against the death penalty cannot stand by and watch Perry get elected.
Interesting that the Parole Board was the only Georgia body able to “reconsider” his death penalty, but someone in Georgia put his death on hold pending some nebulous input from the Supremes. If delaying Davis’s execution on what seems a States whim isn’t cruel and unusual punishment, what the fuck is.
Lawrence Russell Brewer was put to death yesterday too, hours before Davis. No offense meant but I didn’t exactly see an outpouring of rage against his execution, and no protests formed outside the walls of Huntsville penitentiary. Why does he not deserve a full-blown editorial?
I am against the death penalty, period. Brewer confessed so there was no outpouring of rage for his heinous racist crime.
Rest in peace, Troy. We bear witness to the injustice done to you.
Sounds like a diary to me.
Michele–are you still proud to be an American?
Yet the man was still put to death. Did he not rate a large protest outside the walls of the prison, or at least an article here at FDL?
Execution is execution, I guess I don’t understand why there should be a difference in the attention Brewer and Davis received.
Obama has the blood of thousands on HIS hands, through his continuation of war and the use of drones, Carleton, and the politically expedient assassination of bin Laden, as well. Had Obama truly felt the execution of Troy Davis was wrong, then Obama could and SHOULD have SPOKEN from his bully pulpit to that understanding …
Peddle your lesser-evildom elsewhere, I’m in no mood for such silly drivel as you bring to the discussion, today,
If Obama opposes the death penalty not just for Davis but for the white supremiscist who was also murdered yesterday, then let HIM say so. Do not presume something is so, as you are doing, without evidence. To support such an empty and useless implication as you do today, does not suggest anything more than unthinking, uncritical partisan hackery, of which far too much exists already, in my very disgusted opinion.
DW
Michelle will only be proud to be rich when she gets out of the WH so O can make a lot of money.
Kevin, amazing write-up.
So write it up as a diary. If you think it’s an injustice, you’ve got to start somewhere.
White supremacist gang member Lawrence Russell Brewer was executed Wednesday evening for the infamous dragging death slaying of James Byrd Jr., a black man from East Texas.
I think Brewer was the 4th person this month in Huntsville.
Two of Byrd’s sisters were in attendance.
The SCOTUS is a fucking joke, and the whole world knows it.
I agree with you, the death penalty is wrong, for many reasons.
Would it not be a good thing for Barack Obama to state that he, also, thinks that the death penalty is wrong?
Do you imagine that he will do so?
Or would such a “position”, not be politicaly expedient?
You have made your perspective plain, Carleton, should we, all of us, expect anything less from Barack Obama?
The floor is yours … and Obama’s.
DW
I’d agree with that. Here are my further thoughts:
Every person who would serve in US public office at any and all levels (i.e. civil servants, military, first responders) must be examined on this issue of the death penalty, forced to make a position statement and cross-examined on the facts to expose their true character and competencies. I’ll extend that criteria especially to those with any fiduciary responsibility (e.g. corporate officers). I’d like to see the removal of all officers of all courts who can’t bring themselves to refuse the death penalty and do it with credibility. We must restructure our social systems for the appropriate checks and balances.
We are back to the days of the Abolitionists and the Suffragettes. We must examine any individual that would hold a modicum of power over others on all the most basic questions of human and civil rights and make it a big stinking issue. Those that don’t pass muster shouldn’t be doing anything but maybe pushing a broom.
Well said.
The whole world knows far more about America than America chooses to know of itself, eriks.
The whole world understands far more about America, than Americans choose to undersdtand about themselves.
How long may the world tolerate the destruction and hubris of America?
Perhaps, America and Americans should consider that question?
Like most all empires … we will not.
What are the likely consequences to such a “situation”?
I am certain, eriks, that you, as well as I, ponder such things, as do many who comment, here … might we reasonably imagine that many other Americans do so as well?
DW
Sorry, at first I didn’t understand your reference to “diary”…thought it might be some sort of snark. I’m slow this morning.
I’m not really a diarist, more of a lurker and occasional commenter, but really I am sincerely interested to know from the peeps here what they think about the difference in attention the two death penalty cases received.
Michael Moore wants to boycott Georgia:
Though there are many good people in Georgia, the fact is their government and (in)justice system is run by what Moore calls, “racists and killers.” Similar in South Africa where many good people lived as well, but the government was the problem.
It was a 5-4 vote. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan were the four votes. People who were saying it is a good sign that Clarence Thomas took the appeal to his eight colleagues were unfortunately wrong. He didn’t care that this was happening in Georgia where he had a history.
No dissenting opinions. That means the image I posted of the denial issue is all the Supreme Court bothered to write or say before the murder of Troy Davis moved forward.
If you can’t differentiate between little empathy for a malicious asshole and an outpouring of support for someone who has a good chance of being the wrong man, you should go back to the stepford downloading station and have your programing checked for bugs.
Michelle was rich before she went to the white house. She gave up a $350,000 a year job at the University Of Chicago so that Barack could campaign for president.
The Nobel Peace Prize laureate actually wants to expand the death penalty:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/rights/89542/obama_supports_death_penalty_for_child_rape/
The lesser of two evils does not work with Perry. Perry is far more evil than anyone we have elected previously. If you can’t see that, god bless you.
He’s a Republican, perhaps the most moderate Republican that’ll be running for election, but he is not a friend of those who seek justice and equality. This is why protests are crucial now and until things change. People are just hoping Obama “gets it” and things turn around, while they ignore and belittle those who dare protest from the left. Everyone has to get involved out in the streets, not simply behind the computer waiting for the next election, then the next, then the next, each one with worse choices than the previous.
Excellent point.
How can we expect to have a decent society here while we murder thousand of innocents around the world? Who expects a man that orders the lawless execution of American citizens at a whim to start caring about “justice” for one black man?
The PTB have turned the “average” American into an ignorant, bloodthirsty mob through propaganda, fear, and savagery. Me thinks they should have learned their lesson from Communism. The tables turned on the elites in countries like China, I don’t expect it to be much different here.
I don’t know the case you cite, which is why I’d like you to write a diary. Once I’m familiar with the facts, I might be able to answer your query in the comments.
I’m sure such selfless and principled people would never OFFER to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid recipients on the trickle-down altar.
I’ve never seen anyone work so tirelessly for the top 1 percent.
There’s only so much protest to go around.
$350,000/year is not rich. Michelle is looking to be able to give each of her daughters $20 million weddings. (My est of how much Chelsea’s $5 million wedding will cost by the time the O girls march down the aisle.) Among other lavish spending she prolly has in mind. After all, how’s she gonna fly around the country & who’s gonna carry her bags once AF1 & SS is gone. Can’t afford private jets & lackeys on $350,000.
The difference in the attention that Brewer and Davis received has to do with the following:
“Too much doubt” – Seven of nine witnesses recanted their testimony Video clip played on CNN:
And:
Rafe, your “occassional comments” often seem, to me, to be somewhat , shall we say, less than fully, compassionately, and honestly engaged?
On this point, however, your comments are fully indicative of a broad and reasonable grasp, perhaps, and, if so, deserving of honest and widespread consideration and response.
Both executions deserved, morally, the attention and and engaged awareness of all who hold the death penalty to be barbaric and evidence of tribalistic “revenge”.
I agree with eCAHN, that you should write such a diary as the responses need to be collected, considered, and understood, together.
However, Rafe, I am unclear as to your position on the matter of the death penalty, and think you should make clear what you think and consider to be so. Are you willing to do that?
DW
There sure is plenty of bullshit though, isn’t there? (and I’m not talking about the people who are against it)
There are basically two arguments against the death penalty:
It’s barbaric and morally wrong
It’s final, and any mistakes made in an imperfect system are irreversable once the person is dead.
They are not mutually exclusive; however, the latter is obviously the most popular reason for being against it.
Best thing on this travesty I’ve read so far. thanks Kevin.
I knew last night that while the Supremes were “reviewing the case, again, for the 4th time, that Davis was lying on the gurney with the white cracker family looking avidly on, probably bitching that it wasn’t happening fast enough not caring who died, just that someone did, for their “closure”.
I thought “how awful”, “how hideous”.
I’m sorry, but there’s just something wrong with the South. The racism down there is so thick you can cut it with a knife and the white people just pretend it isn’t there.
As for “Rafe”…there’s one in every crowd, I guess.
Obama is far more evil than anyone we have elected before, if you can’;t see that, then I hope we may all have the capacity and wisdom to help each other and the world in which we live. Bush is a close second, considering that Obama has carried forward all of the Bush/Cheney crap and added, extensively, to it, Carleton. Gesundheit!
DW
Obama spoke indirectly through the two women he appointed to the court. Enabling a person that enjoys executions because of hatred of Obama is not as principled as some say. I am really not a big fan of Obama as my family would attest but I am an adamant opponent of Rick Perry.
Totally agree.
I fail to understand all of the outrage and coverage of one individual when our warhawk politicians kill hundreds of innocents daily in their “just war”. Where is the outrage and disdain for our government for killing citizens of other countries and our own citizens in the process. We have allowed our government to murder with abandon to the point of bankrupting our country. We continue to coddle war criminals instead of indicting them. Where is the outcry for this?
For what it’s worth.
Dead is dead, both men are dead at the hands of the government, what’s the difference in the end, there isn’t any. I guess I’m not understanding the shoulder shrugging over the execution of one man compared to the outpouring of grief and rage at the execution of the other.
no dissent -
I have often thought that the death penalty is too good for the people who commit truly evil deeds. They need to live long long lives with the knowledge of their deeds, unable to do them ever again.
Bullshit, Carleton!
Obama is a big boy, he has an OBLIGATION, as a human being to make clear HIS position.
There is no way around this truth, Carleton … however you wiggle and sqirm.
What does Barak H. Obama think of the death penalty?
He had to dance the “I’m a Christian jig” to “run” for the presidency … so being clear about his position on the dath penalty is no more an imposition upon him than it is upon Rafe.
DW
The “white cracker” family? Really? Is this the enlightened debate I was told I would find here? I have a feeling if someone were to use similar words against a black family you would have quite the furious retort, and rightly so.
THAT will go over well with the Pope.
That figures. SCOTUS is just another corrupt powerful group.
Rafe, are you in favor of the death penalty or not?
Answer time.
DW
You don’t find killing someone for a crime they very well did not commit more revolting than killing someone who did?
Disagee, and while I am not calling you a racist, most racists agree with you. Don’t want to be an ally of those people in any way, shape or form.
Jig? What’s up with that? He’s not Al Jolson ya know.
you get it. what did they say in the 19th century,with supreme CONDESCENTION
DANTE the divine comedy
hell on Earth
I would suggest that nobody take any anger out on the “white cracker family.” The system is horrid. Look at what it does. People should not be put in this situation where they not dissuaded from believing the only way they can have closure is to kill the killer or someone who has been convicted of killing (because in this case there is so much evidence that the killer is still on the loose).
The MacPhail Family was not led to value getting the case right. They were not told by any authorities that taking around two decades to finally execute him was appropriate and something positive about America’s justice system. They were told to want life to be taken for the life that was taken from them.
Your point is well-taken about Cassandra’s response, However, enlightend debate requires you to divulge your own “position” on the death penalty, or you reveal yourself, not as a man of reasoned discourse, but merely as a poseur, Rafe.
Things go both ways …
Yes?
No?
At Brewers execution, Byrd’s sisters were among the witnesses in an adjacent room.
“Hopefully, today’s execution of Brewer can remind all of us that racial hatred and prejudice leads to terrible consequence for the victim, the victim’s family, for the perpetrator and for the perpetrator’s family,” Clara Taylor, one of Byrd’s sisters, said.
She called the punishment “a step in the right direction.”
pulling the race card are ya?
Ridiculous. We are not to take principled positions that could lead us to be on the same side as “racists”? How about you should not make the same arguments someone in the top 1% would make so that the status quo was defended? How about that? That too is ridiculous.
Sure. I’m against the death penalty but only because of the doubt that will always exist. I believe that there are plenty of people who deserve to be executed for their heinous crimes against society, but better that 1,000 deserving and guilty men be kept behind bars than 1 be executed wrongly.
Technology is advancing and I’m hopeful that those who have been convicted and imprisoned even though they are innocent will be exonerated; I’m aghast at the notion of an innocent man being executed.
can you say strawman
Rafe,
I responded to why there’s a difference in the two cases. If you think you are making any kind of legitimate argument here, you’re obligated to respond now.
Thank you for this – for a brief moment last night I thought there was a ray of hope – and that it would reflect some kind of turnaround in a downward slide of depravity at so many levels. Nope.
I believe Larry Cox commented on an Obama earlier statement on Troy Davis as “cowardly”, and the Court’s failure to even say why the request was denied as “cowardly”. A bunch of cowardly killers …
O.D.S. is running at full throttle today.
A thread about the tragedy of Troy Davis being executed by the State of Georgia has been turned into yet another Obama bashing banquet.
Yes, racism does exist. Are you Sean Hannity?
Good. I am glad you are opposed to the death penalty. But that doesn’t help me with the issue I am having with you.
Why have you been bothering people with comments suggesting they dial back their outrage over Davis’ execution?
Are you a realist? One of those “that’s just the way it is” kind of people. A cynic?
You seem to be putting the outrage against the death penalty on a scale. State sanctioned killing is the same no matter who receives it, correct, or is there some metric I’m missing?
Yes, I thought about using that. It was purely cowardice to not weigh in. The fact that the Obama DOJ did not intervene at all to take any sort of action to prevent the injustice that unfolded is appalling.
Just my opinion, but anyone that enables Rick perry to be elected is not principled. I live in Texas.
Obama is just into stepin’ and fetchin’, Carleton, like Bush, like Clinton, like all good little neoliberal hacks … that is what our Presidents, and those who would be President, ALL, have become and are, has nothing to do with “race” except the “race” to the Legacy Cla$$ for the few and the “race” to the bottom for everyone else.
And the veiled “suggestion”, is unworthy of this discussion and this place.
As well, I do not take kindly to being disparaged by anyone who is simply grasping at whatever “straws” as may attack another person rather than what that person is saying.
Ad-hominen attacks are the refuge of those who know they have nothing of substance to offer … and reveal the utter poverty of one’s argument.
DW
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make but it seems pretty frivolous. So you’re now going to try to out the “closet racists” lurking in the comments thread, covering up their racism with anti-death penalty talking points?
Nobody is enabling Rick Perry to be elected. If someone is critical of Obama, that does not de facto mean Rick Perry will be inaugurated in January 2013. No wonder democracy is so depraved in this country (if we can even call it democracy anymore).
Rick Perry has overseen more executions than any governor. The topic is about an execution. Why is it that when Rick Perry’s name is brought up, people on here jump up and start talking about how evil Obama is?
Good on ya, Rafe! Thank you for responding.
And what should be done if it turns out that executed innocent people are exonerated?
Who should be held to account?
And what should that “account” comprise?
Should a governor who executes an innocent person face some actual consequence?
What do you think?
DW
Obama chose to be silent last night. That is a problem. The overwhelming majority of the responsibility for the atrocity lies with Georgia and the US Supreme Court though.
But, sure, make your point — What freedoms do we lose if people are critical of Obama? When does this republic crumble if we share our grievances with one another?
I watched the Davis thread last night and saw the rage and sadness and outrage and pouring forth of emotion from people here, and I read the live tweets and such about the protests outside the Georgia prison. Yet I failed to see a single mention of Brewer’s execution.
Texas riot cops were deployed at Huntsville prison in readiness for protests, yet there was nothing, no one showed to make a stink about the upcoming state-sponsored murder.
Now I’m getting some flack that Brewer was more deserving of his execution, and that may be true in the technical sense in that he welcomed it and confessed to the crime, unlike Davis. But in the end, both men shared one thing: They were both killed by the State. The white family witnessing the death of Davis were “crackers”, that would make the black family witnessing Brewers death….what exactly?
Nothing personal, I am sincerely trying to understand the difference in angst between the two cases.
Because they suffer from O.D.S.
The metric you’re missing is probably your own inability to identify with the people protesting Troy Davis’s murder. You admit putting an innocent man to death is heinous and then you criticize people for objecting to that very thing. In layman’s terms, you’re not missing a metric, you’re missing a screw.
Superb post and superb comments, Kevin.
A true pleasure and an honor to be standing with you.
DW
Let me help you DWBartoo —
He should not be allowed to become president. This means that we cannot say anything about Obama that might make it difficult for him to beat Perry so that Obama can be president for a second term and there will no longer be anymore Troy Davises.
Wait a moment … Barack Obama was president last night and he’s president today and he’s been in office for the past three years and nothing has been done to abolish, much less “fix,” the death penalty.
Three words. Certainty. Of. Guilt.
And I agree.
Neither should have been executed. But Davis’ was different from Brewer because of the amount of doubt.
Excellent point DW. Hey carleton, if some evidence comes to light that Troy was innocent, who will have been the sitting president during the atrocity of his murder?
I hate the death penalty. I don’t want to hear anymore from these so called pro life people that sanitize the death penalty, drone strikes, our degrading foreign policy, war. The war on poverty is a joke in this country. It don’t matter if they are repugs or dems, the people are fucked….
I saw you at last night’s discussion, but I also remember some mention of The Other Execution. I believe that is when I commented that I was against the Death Penalty for all.
But, as you say, emotions were running pretty high last. There was some mud flinging that made me feel even worse than I already was.
1. I knew Obama wouldn’t open his cowardly mouth on this atrocity. Wouldn’t want to lose any voters!
2. My son heard about this after the execution, when my husband and I were watching MSNBC. He was absolutely shocked, and it takes a LOT to shock a 16-year-old these days. He was upset enough that he didn’t argue with me when I went into my “I hate this country” rant.
3. Rubbing alcohol administered by the “doctor” to prevent an infection?
Tough questions. The uber complicated criminal justice system is in dire need of a massive overhaul (don’t even get me started on throwing people in the clink for smoking a little weed), maybe those questions could be addressed.
I’m afraid I don’t have an answer to how the governing authority should be held to account. Malfeasance on the part of prosecutors perhaps, though I suppose that already exists? In Davis’ case, were he to be exonerated in the future, the responsible parties would include a large group of people including the SCOTUS; putting all those people in the dock would be quite the spectacle.
It’s not like you and I are investing in smear campaign ads to prevent Obama from winning. If he is a good candidate and people want him over the GOP candidate, he will win, right? Or if he isn’t as bad as the GOP candidate (that’s how it normally works), he’ll win.
I haven’t done a post because I am on top of Occupy Wall Street (need to get today’s live blog post up and running) and WikiLeaks and other more important stories but I wrote about third party politics and “lesser of two evils” voting in this country extensively before my time with FDL. The liberal-bashing of Ralph Nader for wanting Democrats to put up a primary challenger so that those who are disenchanted and marginalized already in the 2012 election can have some vector for voicing disgust is obscene.
Amen
Perhaps, Rafe, you might have said something?
I could no bear to watch any of it, but agree that death is death no matter upon whom it is inflicted.
I urge you ansd ask you, Rafe, to speak out your convictions, the time of lurking is past … engagement is, now, something we must all risk and dare.
Had you spoken earlier you possibly would have caused others to think more broadley, which you risk yourself, as do we all when revealing our deeper concerns and understandings.
I’m guessing, perhaps incorrectly, that your compassion for both victims of state santioned murder is the same and that you wish and hope that others might come to agree with you, not merely in their words but in their actions, would that be correct?
DW
Nobody is forcing you to read ths, and certailnly nobody is forcing you to whine about it.
Not criticizing, more wonderment at the lack of attention paid to Brewster’s execution, he didn’t warrant at least a candlelight vigil outside the prison or a simple thread here at FDL? Is your outrage truly directed toward state-sponsored execution, because you seemed to have put it on a scale of who deserved it more.
Kevin just finished the Zinn book you referenced and it changed my mind about the death penalty. Killing does bot eliminate killing I am aware of that now.
Kevin, you’re doing exceptional work, more than seems humanly possible.
I can only say, thank you, and on with ya!
Keep on keepin’ on.
DW
Black people have been unjustly executed in this country for centuries. They were lynched not that many years ago. Are you trying to blame Obama for that too? Have a good day bashing Obama. Quite a few red staters and freepers egging you folks on.
I did make a few mentions though quietly because the prevailing mood last night was…uh…very serious. A few people, notably tanbark and something-realist (don’t remember exactly) exchanged comments with me and we had a good, polite dialogue.
I am not whining. I am not echoing. I am commenting.
“The Long, Murderous Arm of the Law Has Killed Troy Davis” (ColorLines.Com, by Kai Wright & Jamilah King, Sept. 21 2011, 11:13 PM EST)
The book was an excellent read. I read it two or three years ago. I always reference Zinn when I’m looking for direction or guidance on an event or issue.
Well killing will eliminate killing when everyone is killed.
But then, “where” will we “be”?
Keep on keepin’ on, popyeye, especially with your writing …
DW
In retrospect, it’s too bad that the North didn’t let the South secede
150 years ago. Their slave driven feudal system would have eventually imploded. Now the South is the wacky center of the GOP. The rest of us don’t need them. We could easily have had trade agreemnets with them to import bbq sauce and bourbon:-) They’re not much good for anything else.
I’m going to have more than a good day bashing the traitorous SOB. I’m going fight back to the whipping he’s been giving us until the day he’s gone.
Again, good on ya, Rafe.
I appreciate our conversation today, and think the issues we’ve discussed need ongoing consideration … with which sentiment, I’m more than certain you agree.
DW
Hey, Rafe, I’ll make you a deal. Send me a post by you to kevin.gosztola@firedoglake.com
If you cannot post about Brewer’s execution (or why you think it is wrong to focus on Davis and not Brewer too) on myFDL, send me a copy of a post you want me to run. I will run it as a guest post. You will help us continue our conversation on capital punishment in America.
If that doesn’t help you, please, let us inform you — You’ve made your point. About four or five comments are essentially the same point. So many get it here. What can we do for you beyond say, “You’re right. We agree,” as a few have done?
I don’t condone insults to other commentors, but that last line was kind of funny.
Appreciated. Not looking to make waves at the places I visit, believe me, just looking for some exchange of opinion. Hopefully in the future when we disagree, and we will, there won’t be too many of those waves.
Now, that’s an offer no one should refuse.
Last night’s discussion turned into another My rage is bigger than your rage circus. Also, My honesty’s more sincere than your honesty.
But, it was a rough evening for all, so I’m going to hold my judgement.
Thank you D.W. coming from you it means so much to me. Your mastery of language is exquisite and you always talk truth to power.
This is why I welcomed the diversity of your voice last night, Rafe. Logical flaws sometimes go undetected without contrary opinions and questioning. Your questioning gives us an opportunity to examine ourselves and grow.
I don’t think we should be battling over who has the right to be outraged over whom and how much and which case is upsetting and which case is not and why it is acceptable or more understandable — though I understand that comes with debating capital punishment.
It was a hard evening, especially after I felt this collective sense of relief when he was not executed at 7 pm ET. I thought a “miracle” had happened.
Thank you for being around to comment.
I was hoping to get an explanation from the same people who were expressing huge outrage last night over Davis’ execution why the Brewster execution didn’t factor into the dialogue.
If I broke some protocol I apologize; I visit many, many sites and seek only to keep my comments level from place to place. Not looking for fights, heck I don’t even curse. But sometimes I break the accepted comment mold and get kicked for my troubles, comes with the territory, if I did so here there was no offense meant.
Thanks for the offer but I prefer not to make a bigger deal about this issue with a diary, I enjoy my lurker status. Besides, most of the articles here are pretty well done and I’m afraid my lack of mastery in English composition would pale in comparison.
Agreed, Rafe, although I imagine that there will be more areas of ammenable overlap.
(Thought it might be realitychecker, a friend of mine, with whom you were able to reasonably converse … he tends to be that way.)
DW
Balderdash! You write with considerable precision, and ‘twould do you, and likely, us, some genuine good to have considered opinion of differing sorts, Rafe.
I should appreciate a longer and fuller compilation of your thoughts.
DW
President Jimmy Carter…speaking out:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110922/D9PTK7AG1.html
I don’t watch TV newscasts on TV. The few that I do want, I watch next day on podcasts. It was especially gut-wrenching this time.
Can I consider it for a while? Not too long ago I was apparently a member of the Koch Brother’s paid staff; I’m not sure how I would be accepted by some of those commenters. I’d like to get acclimated a bit more before opening my brain to the well-honed scalpels of FDL regulars.
S’okay.
But only for a while, Rafe.
Seriously.
Glad ya came “back” to see what was said.
From my perspective, what you have to say matters.
Take that as ye will.
DW
I’m not going to tell anyone not to lurk. Please lurk. It keeps the threads of posts engaging.
In any complex conversation (in any human activity, really), you get a Bell’s Curve of opinion, with the extremes at each end, and usually visibly irrational in that extremeness, and a variety of non-identical but logically and morally defensible views expressed within the fat center area. All are acceptable in an honest marketplace of ideas, we each get to choose where on the curve we are most comfortable planting our own personal flag. Good faith is the essential price of admission, there is no other. Your good faith is evident, and you are more than rational enough to cruise with this excellent crowd. Trust me.
I bask in your friendship, DW. It’s nice to have something to bask in lol.
Thank you. I wanted to say just that, but you beat me to it.
Well said, in general, and in particular, rc.
If comments could be “recommended”, then that one would get my recommendation for one of the best … ever.
DW
So if Perry is evil does that mean that Obama isn’t or can’t be? Is it so black and white in your world that one mutually excludes the other? Maybe they are both evil. Maybe neither one should be president.
Well put, Kevin. This was a racist execution. The capital punishment system, like the rest of the justice system, operates in a racist manner. This is not surprising, since it exists to enforce a status quo based on gross social inequality, and means to maintain things that way.
The fight against capital punishment needs to be linked to the fight against social inequality and injustice in all its forms.
Troy Davis was lynched… legally. This is a sad, sad day. As are hundreds of others such days when men and women are killed by the State in this country, many of them the victims of prosecutorial misconduct and judicial indifference.
We gave him the BULLY pulpit and last night as the world was straining at a nat to hear but a word, there was silence, !
What was more important last night, kicking the Palestinians ?
I think you are underestimating yourself. People don’t care if you do not have a lack of mastery in English as you say. People care about ideas and fair and open discussion. If I can post a diary with my limited skills I am sure you are able. As some have told me “jump in, the waters fine here at the Lake.” I believe with my whole heart they mean it. Whadda ya got to lose.
Quoted for truth.
What’s your source for the vote count? I think Amy Goodman reported live last night that the vote was unanimous. Was that mistaken?
5 to 4 with the usual criminal suspects , the traitors kennedy, scalia and thomas and the two new punks.
(I googled Troy Davis supreme court
Clemency board 3 to 2
supreme court 5 to 4 God the Guilt those eight bear .
I believe she reported, “with no dissent.” I also initially took that to mean “unanimous,” but it now appears she just meant with no formal dissenting opinion written by any who voted to stay the execution. BTW, it would be unusual to write a dissenting opinion on these kind of determinations.
In my opinion, Obama is the worst president in my 68 years of living. I also live in Texas. Perry is absolutely an abomination. Horrifying to think of him as president. Also horrifying to think of Obama reelected. Damn.
ummm….Ignorant white cracker…? there thats more like it.
exactly, and….
under obama’s reign, the state now reserves the right to kill any american anywhere with no due process. my most ardent distaste of obama comes from his eroding further our rights to habeas corpus. as an aside, it’s doubling disappointing, since this is something he said he’d fix.
given his behavior as a senator (nuclear power money receiver) and his behavior after the primary (voting for fisa and working the hill for the bailout of the banks), i did not expect anything close to perfection.
i did expect habeas corpus back. i didn’t get it. and, in a “free” country, i personally can’t imagine what the f*ck is more important than that.
Look get real.
There are just so many (way too few) people who can get it together to go to the protests and vigils. And , yes, their energies and presence was more effective at the Troy execution. He is a good symbol. The other man was not.
Sorry.
They reported no dissenting opinions. That means nobody issued a document in addition to the one that I posted an image of in the post.
So, while 4 voted against, 4 could not be bothered to leave in the public record an account of why this execution was a legal lynching.
That may be true. And I realize waiting to get a dissenting opinion on record would have delayed the execution. Actually that is why those in the minority should have insisted on filing a dissenting opinion (maybe they did and were overruled — not too familiar with how procedures work internally in these situations).
It would be very unusual, Kevin.
Given the perilous state of the Rule of Law, which I consider to be IN an “unusual” and untenable state for civil society to find itself experiencing, unless we are to postulate that tyranny, always (and “should”) rule, then would not it have been wise, and timely, for one of the dissenting four to have taken it upon themselves to have at least considered the implications for the understanding of “beyond a reasonable doubt”?
SCOTUS has unusual, though Constitutionally delineated, powers and therefore its members an especial responsibility to understand WHEN the Rule of Law is in jeopardy … and such concerns as Greenwarrior raises with regard to habeus and the issue of actual, proven guilt indicate, at least to me, clear evidence of threats to the Rule of Law.
Like Kevin, I do not know the arcane “rules” and “regulations” surrounding when written dissent is “appropriate”. However, I confess to having spent sufficuent time in Con Law courses to have considerable and sincere misgivings regarding the current state of the Rule of Law, especially as I regard its continuing demise, for I consider the Rule of Law to be, essentially moribund, as having experienced its most serious set-back by and through the ACTION, the “non-precedent” precedent decision, made BY SCOTUS in Bush v Gore.
What think you, realitychecker?
DW
Slow down , you want to torture a man destined to die a few more hours for what ?
He was strapped to the death cross and had an IV for hours.
To properly type out their objections, to what end ?
To further the end of a barbarous and unsupportable injustice … which is capital punishment itself.
I understand what you are saying, tjbs, and no one should resonably or rationally have found themselves in the position of Troy Davis or those young and mindful children who are frightened by this insane act, to the very depths of their souls, or all the adults who are likewise sick and profoundly weary at heart.
What is to prevent any of the Dissenting Four, now, after the “fact”, from addressing the question and questions which this case MUST raise in the minds of the sane and the rational humane?
The silence roars … if nothing is said.
And the whole world hears …
DW
Staring over, as my nearly-complete response got disappeared, yet again, by the posting of a new post, as happened last night when I was trying to give a detailed response to Rafe’s question regarding the complexities of evidentiary law. I wish someone could fix that bug in our system here. The law has many arcane rules and practices that are opaque and incomprehensible to the casual outside observer (I guess every profession does, but law probably takes the cake). Lawyers are “rule men,” in that they devote their lives to learning about these arcane rules. I’m pretty confident in saying that regular Supreme Court practice would deem it “poor form” to write a dissenting opinion on a mere motion for a stay. That’s practice, regardless of the import of the case. I think other lawyers would back me up on that. As a separate matter, there are many different standards of persuasion for winning the various little battles that happen within a given case. Many here have shown their lack of awareness of these. Nor should they have that awareness, if they don’t have law degrees, i.e., lawyers can’t do brain surgery, either lol. But, generally speaking, the trial phase is the only stage where the burden of persuasion is tilted in favor of the defendant (“beyond a reasonable doubt”). After that, all persuasion standards are heavily tilted in favor of sustaining the decision reached by the system. There are many variations of this, i.e., “clear and compelling” that the prior result was wrong, and many variants thereon. Bottom line, it’s very hard to overcome. Defendants get a bit more slack if it is a Constitutional right that is directly implicated, but seldom is that the only issue, and if you lose at any step of the analysis, you are SOL. Even these picky rules sometimes get ignored, as a matter of discretion, but judges are reluctant to do that. Of course, this Supe has been less reluctant than they should be, but only to favor their favorites. I hope that’s helpful, but I won’t pretend that it is complete.
I would just add that, big picture, it’s all bullshit. The system is completely broken, because, despite all these rules that are supposed to be so carefully calibrated, the plain truth is that there is still plenty of wiggle room for judges to do things that are arbitrary and/or biased, and they do exactly that, with disturbing frequency and with no accountability. So, the rule of law inevitably devolves into being the rule of men, after all. Can you see why I quit practicing?
I fully understand, rc, and the reason I did not pursue a career in the law is owing to my early grasp of the role “money” plays in the “process” and the arbitrary and capricious nature of “standing”. Nonetheless, I appreciate your contributions to the good practice of law, as I do also Mason’s efforts and those ongoing of bmaz, phred, Mary, and Fractal, among others.
I thank you for your replies, knowing of “deference” and ITS “role” as well as the fatal “flaw” by which the “law” cannot examine itself, even when the “law” is being used to destroy the Law.
As well, we both know that the primary purpose of law is not to seek justice, but to protect the status quo. The law is, as Cicero long ago said, and, doubtless, he was not the first … the “practice of the law, is the world’s second oldest profession.”
DW
Well, I consider that Cicero quote to be a bit unfair. Like all human activity, good faith, i.e. integrity in the implementation, is an essential ingredient. The legal system would work MUCH better if all the participants acted with integrity. That they don’t is no more the fault of the law system, than the corrupt behavior of many market participants is the fault of the market mechanism, IMO. No system yet devised can completely account for and control basic human corruption. And we all well know what a quaint notion “integrity” has become in the modern world. Not fair to single the law out for condemnation.
Ah, the law is the basis of civil society, and if I “single it out” ’tis only because I care so much about it.
Without a functioning Rule of Law, there is no civil society.
Cicero, as you know, also loved the law.
As you do.
As I do.
I take my own, once-upon-a-time “profession”, psychology, to equal and even more vociferopus task, I assure you, rc, for its readiness to assist, through both some of its “practitioners”, and the “front” which the APA is all too happy to serve as being, for the CIA and “others” who dare, the intentional and deliberate undermining of civilization for fun and for profit.
I may make light of the unconscionable “practice” of law, rc, but I take deadly serious the Law’s functions and failures …
DW
No, I envision in that scenario he would have to be taken off the gurney and the execution would have to be moved to another day so the Supreme Court could issue its decision along with a dissenting opinion.
Doesn’t matter — The Supreme Court is heartless and wouldn’t do something like that and get in the way of business as usual.
I think we both take “deadly serious” every important thing we choose to get involved in. And, of course, you are right that law trumps all, in that it is the basic “operating system” for the whole society. Hence, our mutual outrage. BTW, did you know that my original ambition was to become a Ph.D psychotherapist? Got a double major in that at NYU (minor in political science), straight A’s and one B, took every undergrad psych course they had and every grad course they would let me into. Saw too much I didn’t like working in the field, and switched career paths. So, I share your outrage on that front as well. But, I still believe that both professions have enormous potential to do good for humanity, if only the practitioners would remember all the idealistic stuff they were taught in school.
We is, as usual, in complete agreement, rc.
It is the deliberate destruction of the good potential which vexs, annoys, and truth to tell, disgusts and angers me.
Both the law and psychology could serve to liberate and encouragre to the best of potential … and when they are misused and abused for the gain of money or of power, then should all human beings seek to overthrow such “worst practice” and insist upon the principles to which both professions pay lip service … and INSIST that principle becomes the very basis of those professions.
Bad lawyers and bad psychologists choose to deviate from the truth … and when the institutions which teach those who will populate such professions embrace the failings of those who choose wrongly, and sing high their praises, then society will be shaken to its very foundations and may collapse quite utterly, if human beings of good and constant conscience do not rise and stand against the willful tide of deceit and malpractice.
Which, my friend, is what we, and most all who gather here, are charged by truth, by justice, and by humanity … to do.
It is, as I said to Kevin, earlier, a true pleasure and a great honor to stand alongside human beings such as you …
Namaste
DW
The honor is mine, and the pleasure unlimited, my friend. I would just add to our discussion that both professions necessarily involve lots of nuance, ambiguity, and judgment, which not only creates latitude for bad practice but also virtually insures misunderstanding and ease of mischaracterization by those outside the profession. Wish it were not so, but as I noted earlier, nobody has ever devised any perfect system for controlling and regulating human behavior. Thus, we must all stop expecting perfection, and learn to be satisfied with something less. Hopefully, not too much less.
If all act, and are held to acting in accordance with the best practice of principled intent and behavior, then the overwhelming evidence will point, not to some insistence upon perfection, but to the advance of human understanding and behavior befitting, and benefitting, ALL members of a species blessed with sentiency and conscious awareness of the magic and fragility of all life, not least the life forces of the planeet we ALL inhabit and depend upon for our daily survivial.
If the law and psychology eschew jargon and obsfuscation, seeking instead, clarity, and constant refining, of purpose, then nuance, ambiguity, and reasoned judgment will be self evident to all who are capable of respecting competence and actual, real service to others. I am certain that you will agree that civil law must have moral premise … beginning and ending with the golden rule, as it is widely understood, if not practiced. Too often, if we are honest, the “purpose of the law is to obscure, to deflect, and to deny … let it be, instead, to enlighten, to embrace, and to go straight to reasoned and reasonable justice … for all. Which, of course, means something different from adverserial confrontation … and requires an ethos not of mindless competition, but of mindful cooperation … if this cannot be tried, if it will not be sought, as events clearly impell us to such change, then we shall have understood but very little and our fates will be quite sealed.
Do not say … “But, human nature augers against this view”, instead, realize and embrace the fact that other cultures have been able to see their way to such an understanding – cultures we, too often, have destroyed with callous and overweening disregard. Ponder upon how much we, America and the “West” have “lost” … and what we may, still yet … find.
Both the law and psychology might be among the best “tools” we have for such discovery.
Let us embrace considered imagination, as human beings are, at heart, problem-solvers, and in our numbers are those whose keen interest will lead to solving virtually all the many problems which we face … including our own sweet selves.
Namaste
DW
I will take that, in its entirety, as received wisdom. Namaste.
Here are the real facts of the case. Dispute these, Kevin.
After a two-week trial with 34 witnesses for the state and six witnesses for the defense, the jury of seven blacks and five whites took less than two hours to convict Davis of Officer Mark MacPhail’s murder, as well as various other crimes. Two days later, the jury sentenced Davis to death.
It’s true that the bulk of the evidence against Davis was eyewitness testimony. That tends to happen when you shoot someone in a busy Burger King parking lot.
Eyewitness testimony, like all evidence tending to show guilt, has gotten a bad name recently, but the “eyewitness” testimony in this case did not consist simply of strangers trying to distinguish one tall black man from another. For one thing, several of the eyewitnesses knew Davis personally.
The bulk of the eyewitness testimony established the following:
Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.
Some eyewitnesses described the shooter as wearing a white shirt, some said it was a white shirt with writing, and some identified it specifically as a white Batman shirt. Not one witness said the man in the yellow shirt pistol-whipped the vagrant or shot the cop.
Several of Davis’ friends testified — without recantation — that he was the one in a white shirt. Several eyewitnesses, both acquaintances and strangers, specifically identified Davis as the one who shot Officer MacPhail.
Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.
First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis — not nine — which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.
Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on cross-examination, “You don’t forget someone that stands over and shoots someone.”
Recanted testimony is the least believable evidence since it proves only that defense lawyers managed to pressure some witnesses to alter their testimony, conveniently after the trial has ended. Even criminal lobbyist Justice William Brennan ridiculed post-trial recantations.
Three recantations were from friends of Davis, making minor or completely unbelievable modifications to their trial testimony. For example, one said he was no longer sure he saw Davis shoot the cop, even though he was five feet away at the time. His remaining testimony still implicated Davis.
One alleged recantation, from the vagrant’s girlfriend (since deceased), wasn’t a recantation at all, but rather reiterated all relevant parts of her trial testimony, which included a direct identification of Davis as the shooter.
Only two of the seven alleged “recantations” (out of 34 witnesses) actually recanted anything of value — and those two affidavits were discounted by the court because Davis refused to allow the affiants to testify at the post-trial evidentiary hearing, even though one was seated right outside the courtroom, waiting to appear.
The court specifically warned Davis that his refusal to call his only two genuinely recanting witnesses would make their affidavits worthless. But Davis still refused to call them — suggesting, as the court said, that their lawyer-drafted affidavits would not have held up under cross-examination.
With death penalty opponents so fixated on Davis’ race — he’s black — it ought to be noted that all the above witnesses are themselves African-American. The first man Davis shot in the car that night was African-American.
When you guys are done fellating each other, you might want to actually read up on the facts. A dirtbag dies last night 22 years after he should have.
Na-freaking-maste
You seem to add nothing to any discussion, HAPPY. You SHARE nothing of conscionable worth.
BUT Damn!! I rarely have encountered anyone as miserably bitter and UNhappy as you most evidently are.
You do not even have the courage to post a comment when you expect others to respond.
You engage in hateful drivel, argument ad-hominen, and haven’t evidenced, ever, the slightest compassion or understanding of anyone’s plight, suffering, life or worth.
You may wonder why I say these things to you. I merely hold up a mirror, happy, reflecting your insulting behavior, the tone and import of your angry and miserable words, and the foul belligerency which seemingly characterizes your every utterance.
May you and your beloved Porsche find happiness somewhere … somewhere other than among people of conscience, decency and reason … for frankly, you seem quite bereft of all three … and singularly lacking in the “milk” of human kindness, a fact about which I’m very certain you are more than a little bit proud.
Provide source for your claims here, especially since they contradict every report I’ve seen on the case.
Aside from that, if your facts are all true, they still make few of the racial or legal problems with the case go away. The doubt and problems involved in Troy Davis’ case are far, far above the threshold that would make a civilized country take pause. But then, civilized countries don’t enact ritualized revenge-murders for their citizens.
Perhaps a dirtbag I might be responding to still needs years of reflection and growing a conscience.
You are really quite a piece of work. Remarkable that you left out the faulty ballistic evidence, which was the key here. Now go research why that mattered. Then come back and apologize.
I thought that the recanted testimony was the key.
LOL, it doesn’t matter anyway. Troy Davis is toes up, Tango Uniform. Soon-to-be worm food. Justice has finally been done. Go back to your ACLU dogma and “innocence project” -funded BS. Maybe the next person you support will ACTUALLY be innocent.
That comment defines you. Forever.
Thank you! That’s the nicest thing you have said to me. Am I blushing?
Happy’s comments absolutely define him, rc, and have, from the first one he typed … when he celebrated greed … now we see him celebrating death, a wrongful state-sanctioned murder, and crowing about it.
DW
Well, as RealityChecker said when I asked him to provide sources for his comments, “I get paid to do this and I am not going to do it for free. Go look it up yourself”. I would suggest that you actually look at the trial record – it’s all public – and not just listen to the media.
And to your second point (I’ll summarize) “even if those facts are true, they don’t support the execution”, well, I’ll just rely on RC again: That comment defines you. Forever.
Erroneous ballistic evidence. What does it mean? You willfully ignorant bastard.
“You SHARE nothing of conscionable worth” – except the FACTS.
Oh, I’m VERY happy. I’m not just happy for my (substantial) material possessions, but that I gained them through my own sweat and the cooperation and contribution of other like-minded individuals and organizations. Have I ever benefitted from government largesse? Yes I have. And I have been appreciative of that in every case. But I have never DEMANDED that the government take other people’s possessions at the point of a gun so that I can live my life how I want to.
What else am I happy for?
My health
My family and friends
My personal freedoms
Kittens
My land in Costa Rica
Ponies
The chance to spar with people like you who are so blinded by dogma that you refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Have a great day D-dub
Erroneous according to what court? Name it? WHICH COURT?
By the way, that picture at the top of this post is not only wrong (he was given a lethal injection, not the CHAIR), but don’t you think it’s racist how they portrayed Davis’ blackness with such a dark-toned graphic? It’s incendiary (sorry, pun not intended). It’s inflammatory you might say. (There I go again).
Just so everybody knows. not that you really need anything more to judge what this moron is about, I clued him in three days ago that the ADMITTEDLY erroneous ballistic evidence, which was used to “prove” that Davis shot someone else earlier in the evening, and therefore also used to establish to the jury his motive for killing a cop later in the day, was key to understanding why this conviction was defective. Nevertheless, he undertook an extensive, yet amateurishly superficial, rundown of his take on the witness testimony as though that was all that mattered in judging the integrity of the conviction. This is the kind of guy who, in the old days, would ride 100 miles to witness a hanging, as his comments this morning reveal quite clearly. Beneath contempt. Even a decent death penalty proponent would insist on more certainty of the integrity of the verdict than this.
And yet you cannot point to a single court finding that this “erroneous ballistic evidence” is “admittedly” so.
Correct: Clued him in two days ago, not three, on the 21st, circa comment #380.
The PROSECUTION admitted it, fool.
You have a good day, as well, happy.
And STILL the court found him guilty, huh? What’s that thing about “beyond a reasonable doubt”? So that evidence (or the admission that it was erroneous) was fully weighed bu the judge and jury.
Come on, you’re supposed to be a legal proffessional. You should understand all this. Where did you go to law school – the Upper Volta School of Law and Cosmetology?
You are just making yourself look like an idiot, dude.
Seems to me that the idiot would be the one who is unable or refuses to understand how the jury might have been tainted by that incorrect ballistic evidence. But, hey, thanks for reminding me that opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. And most stink.
Well, there are few perfect things, in this life, rc. However, you’ve got to admit that, sometimes, we do encounter “perfection” …
DW
I hear Eric Erickson has a job for you. You should take the position before someone more uncivilized takes the position.
From Wednesday night:
Today:
That comment is good enough to get you a one night stand with sociopath and heartless woman Ann Coulter. I have her 1-900 # handy. First half hour is $9.95, then 25 cents a minute after that. Interested, happy?
LOL. I hear ya, and what you’re not saying.
Sounds like you have been doing some one-handed typing lately, Kev. I have not personally listened to Ms. Coutler’s line and think she is a bit far-right myself.
Once you clean yourself off and zip up, perhaps you could acquant yourself with the actual trial record and not rely on the blatherings of a bunch of clearly-biased media outlets and advocacy groups with an agenda. I know it’s easier to cut and paste, and hope that you don’t have to retract your comments later (BART postings ring any bells, Kev?).
Try some lanoline next time, too. It’s better for the skin when you’re running up that phone bill.
And this site seems to have more than its share.
Your Porsche is on fire.
Nope, it’s workng fine. The AMG is doing well, too.
How’s the Prius?
But methinks that Troy Davis is probably finding it uncomfortably hot right now…..
I’m surprised those cars don’t eject you. I wish we could, you are really a waste of skin. I take comfort from the near-certain belief that you drive without skill, just like you think and feel.
Skip Barber Racing School, 2007. High-speed rated driver. Driven on 8 different SCCA road courses and hold the track record for non-professionals on 2 of them.
Are you really that good a driver? I’m impressed. I bet a guy like you could drive right off a cliff and suffer no damage at all. Why don’t you try it?