A march for Troy Davis converges with Occupy Wall Street (photo: ajagendorf25 )The grotesque murder of Troy Davis by the state of Georgia and corruption on Wall Street may have been separate issues, but last night the separation ended, at least temporarily.
Occupy Wall Street, which had been showing solidarity with Davis, converged with a march in support of Troy Davis in a cathartic and compelling moment that the police did not expect. More than a thousand people were now overrunning the streets of lower Manhattan, and they were able to push their way on to Wall Street together.
Back at Liberty Park, where the occupation has been taking place for nearly a week now, speakers stood up to share their thoughts on the occupation so far. One man explained he wasn’t sure it was a good idea to divert energy and pay attention to the case of Troy Davis. He thought the General Assembly (GA) process (which has been used to make decisions since the beginning of the occupation) had been hijacked. But, what everyone was experiencing was an extraordinary circumstance where something so profound hit people on a universal level. And he understood that the ability of the occupation to latch on to this extraordinary circumstance was what made the GA so great.
Another speaker, an African-American, let everyone know that the occupation has a lack of diversity and not many in the hood that he is from know what they are doing. He explained Mayor Bloomberg just cut funding for subsidized housing so 12,000 will be out on streets. Latinos, Asians and blacks are ready to mobilize if the people in Liberty Park just talk about issues they want to talk about, he said. “Too little of us are here because we don’t understand what this is all about,” he added. Then he said, “You all look like a bunch of white kids who just lost their trust funds.” He told the crowd that black people have been having problems with student loans since the civil rights movement.
I have been live blogging Occupy Wall Street since the moment it began. I think the occupation is really coming into its own. The occupation is moving people who have wanted to rebel to finally take action. And, let’s not forget. The NYPD Police Pension fund was raided in NYC when Wall Street bank executives did their “inside job” on America or collapsed. It is not outlandish to suggest a few individuals within the department have no problem with allowing this to continue as long as it can be carefully controlled.
FDL’s live blog continues. At some point, I will be reporting on Twitter (@kgosztola) from Occupy Chicago. There are solidarity actions popping up all over the country so go to Occupy Together to see if there is an action in your community. If there isn’t, maybe you will be so inspired by Occupy Wall Street that you will get a group to together and start one.
Here’s a Twitter list to follow for the latest. If the blog post is not up to date check the comments thread, as an amazing team of FDL users are constantly feeding this blog new information on the occupation.
LIVE STREAM OF OCCUPY WALL STREET VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
12:10 AM Powerful moving testimony from a 9/11 responder
10:27 PM 27 cities in the US trying to attempt occupations in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street — Place your bets, which city will be the first to get another occupation action established like Occupy Wall Street?
10:15 PM Too bad increased bull statue security won’t keep the Dow from dropping hundreds of points.

10:11 PM Occupy LA getting organized.

9:50 PM Relive the day of outrage for Troy Davis, which ended up converging with Occupy Wall Street. True people power here. Video.
“NYPD, go to hell! We are all Sean Bell.” — They just walk right through motorcycles that are lined up to block them from walking through.
9:00 PM It will take more than rain to weaken this occupation.

7:10 PM Occupy Chicago outside of a TV studio (I think it’s ABC — but the guy who posted seems to work for ESPN)

2:45 PM Paul Weiskel of Coffee Party USA has been posting photos since the occupation began. Here are photos from today.
This is a photo of the person carrying the American flag who was arrested today:

2:42 PM This is part of the inspiration for Occupy Wall Street.
2:33 PM Counter-demonstration at 4 pm today: “Anti Hippy Protester Champagne Toast on Wall Street” Event is posted on Facebook. They want to bathe the hippies in Good Riddence, a champagne.
2:31 PM Video of students occupying UC Berkeley. They too are in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street. But the students also are facing tuition hikes and have mobilized to challenge the college’s move. The video was posted on September 22.
2:29 PM Occupy Chicago — it is only about 20-25 people right now but the spirit is what counts. Others in the area should come out and join. They were inspired by Occupy Wall Street and decided to take action.

2:28 PM Rain
12:21 PM Flux Rostrum’s video report. Flux has been working with the livestream crew.
12:19 PM Video from last night – PSC union from CUNY shows solidarity
12:12 PM The Yes Men will be doing a training with the occupation.

12:10 PM Occupation is receiving advice from a Serbian revolutionary.


12:08 PM One person arrested in the march that happened in the morning. The person was arrested for wearing a bandana. A message on Livestream right now reads, “Thanks NYPD for protecting us from highwaymen. Our stagecoaches our secure.”




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Kevin, would it be out of the question to add you to the twitter list? I know you are in Chicago today, but it would make following you and NYC action a little easier.
“Global Nonviolent Action Database launched” (WagingNonViolence.Org, by Ken Butigan, Sept. 22, 2011)
Christ on His Throne!
From TruthOut:
#OccupyWallStreet Is More Than a Hashtag – It’s Revolution in Formation
I’ll add myself. But like @allisonkilkenny I often tweet on other stories unrelated. I kept Allison on cause I never know when she is going to be with the protesters or not since she is based in NYC. Yes, I’ll add.
Looks like everyone is going to have to a wave a US flag now!
New website: http://occupythenation.com
Oooooooh, wonder how that will play? Was it a standard American flag or one of those with corps as stars? If it was a real American flag, there is a story that might have some legs.
Good advice:
Yep, now waving an American flag is a revolutionary act. Maybe someone should wave a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag to see what happens. Then maybe some tri-corner hats…
Unfortunately, with no real coverage, there’s not much of a story to spread. If a tree falls in the forest and 1000 people tweet it but there is no corporate media, does it make a sound?
Is there a picture? With the flag in it?
Put it frontpage and SEO the hell out of it. Make sure the lazy media pick it up. It’s very man bites dog. (If it’s and honest-to-goodness stars and stripes, respectfully handled–not upside-down or defaced, like having a GWBush signature on it.)
All manner of such tests should be done. Guess NYPD thinks they are some kind of “stage managers” for the MSM.
Speaking of the MSM …
Keith Olbermann Interviews Michael Moore on “Occupy Wall Street” Movement (9-22-11)
Support the 70 Reps Who Say: END WAR$ NOW
Thanks. (A lot of folks who are following your list will probably like to hear about Chicago too. And your other tweets are pretty terrific, though OT.)
pic (clickable link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6174890555/in/photostream/
First pictures of #occupychicago
The crowd is building.
Has the American flag report been confirmed?
SabzBrach has a new post.
Edit: Like this part:
“So much of the criticism about Occupy Wall Street stems from the apparent lack of one unified demand. While I know that others disagree, I see this as a strength. While holding steadfast to one demand may lend itself to easy soundbites, having an open movement welcomes any one of the millions of Americans who no longer feel this system is working for them.”
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In response to TarheelDem @ 544 (show text)
From the prior thread:
Those circuit breakers were modified a couple years ago, no longer so restrictive. Anyways it doesn’t matter how fast we go as much as how far we go. FWIW my next sell target to capture a move to what I think are inevitable new lows is to sell at around 1152 on the SP500 cash (which is around 10900 Dow). Old low was around SP1076. New low for now should be around SP1000 IMO. If 1152 doesn’t work pretty precisely then next sell target would be at 11,230-11250 Dow.
I’m a big fan of “Don’t tread on me” flags.
S&P is 1135.61 at 11:42am. Dow is at 10,744. You might have a little wait.
Then he said, “You all look like a bunch of white kids who just lost their trust funds.”
Wait…what? O_o
I’m thinking a lot of people weren’t quite sure whether to be insulted or not, scratching their heads and nervously looking at the people next to them.
Unlike the hand-clapping case, unfortunately, the answer to that may well be “No.” We need the media coverage, nobody in NY even knows this is happening. I repeat that I think they should mob some of the media outlets chanting “Can you hear us now?” The other media will cover THAT, especially if it takes place at the Times building IMO. Can anyone get that idea down to the GA?
No, but the guy that tweeted that and took the pick is super-reliable.
Time is completely irrelevant to the kind of analysis I do. Only price levels matter. We can do 150 Dow points in a few inutes. Doesn’t matter a bit to my work how long it takes.
Great vid of last night’s protests if Kevin or anyone else missed it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6174890555/in/photostream/
And that’s just ONE scene. There were many other streets filled with hundreds of protesters. At least 2-3K people last night.
You know it was 11640 just a couple hours ago.
Warren Buffett loves you.
Every white person has a trust fund? Where the fuck is mine? All kinds of stupid stereotypes out there, they are all our enemy. Reality checks, reality checks.
I don’t get it. Why would you say that?
That’s at noon.
Suggestion: Handout a page with 5 bullet points (or fewer) on this, with a couple of pages of backup explanation to all the occupiers. Ask them to discuss it with the police who are manning the barricades, and give copies to the police also. Include links to websites with more detailed info.
Got to get police on the right side, kinda like Egyptian troops wouldn’t fire on Tahrir.
Patient investor.
The problem is, we need a series of pics or a video showing him getting arrested with the flag. For the media.
“If it’s not viewable, it didn’t happen.”
I want to find video of the speech because I agree with the sentiment behind what was said.
There are indications that the police are on the right side, but the ranks Lt. and above have bosses to satisfy. The white shirts, gold badges are the ones who have gone off on protesters.
This has to be a people-watchers paradise.
I can’t adequately attend gatherings like this, and I’m not a protesting type anyway, but I would love to perch atop a lamppost and just watch the crowd.
Great idea. The pension funds were among the biggest victims of the fraudulent AAA rated mortgage backed securities, as I’m sure you know.
Life is a people-watcher’s paradise. If you open your eyes.
Yeah, he’s reputable. Hopefully we’ll see some video.
Have you tried to contact the livestream team yet? They’re on facebook and twitter now…
Definitely not me lol. I’m a pretty radical gunslinger type, actually. Always playing turning points, never having my stop more than one or two points away from my entry point.
Judge casts doubt on ACLU challenge to law forbidding audio recording of cops
Audio-recording of CPD could run you afoul of eavesdropping laws. Richard Posner at his….
I wish I could be there, but I’m pretty sure I’d get arrested if I was. I’m a big target with a temper.
Can’t undermine opposition enough. One of the methods is repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat (did I say repeat?) your talking points.
Second that.
“Throw out all of the aristocrats,
Throw out the generals on their ass,
We want our rights and we don’t care how,
We want a revolution…………..NOW!
Didn’t disagree with your recommendation. I think the audience is there.
Posner’s a real guardian of the PTB. My contempt for him knows no bounds. His son, who was on that 3-hour session on cspan over the weekend a couple of months ago, is even more contemptible. I has the misfortune to find it channel surfing & listened maybe 5 minutes before my gag reflex kicked in.
That’s great to hear.
I think it makes perfect sense to integrate (no pun intended) the Troy Davis case into Occupy Wall Street. As that speaker mentioned, it appears to have been pretty much a White action so far (just like we appear to be pretty much a White website). The raw emotional anguish over what happened to Troy Davis helps to animate what seems to have been a so far somewhat denatured protest. Plus ethnic solidarity will yield more of a multi-ethnic coalition for Occupy Wall Street and more understanding of ethnic issues for the Occupy Wall Street-ers.
From THIS pic
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6174979197/in/set-72157627734636818/
looks like a standard flag to me.
Yeah, me too in fact I have one. It was around long before the teaidiots stole it. I believe Ben Franklin wanted it over the stars and stripes.
NSS, There are judges that seem to be actively seeking impeachment.
OK, if that’s the guy in the other picture, we might have a story.
A video from last night with cops going nuts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdbZRpw62eU
#occupychicago livestream
Starts 3pm on UStream.
Talented Canadian folk singer singing new songs of the times:
“The land” from “Hiding” by Carly Maicher
NSS?
Posner runs a seminar program for top judges to indoctrinate them into his way of thinking. The PTB have been both blatantly & quietly establishing infrastructure to enhance their control over the years.
Example: Koch Bros, or their father, I forget which, est John Birch Society, which did not have a lot of political success in its day. They learned from that and went on to est TP which was an overnight success.
Here he is being led away…
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6174890555/in/photostream/
and here’s somebody in a black suit having seized the flag?
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6175445060/in/photostream/
Sure does look like the same guy, doesn’t it?
Guy in second photo looks to have a Wall St. research report in his left hand.
NSS = no shit sherlock
Thanks. I googled it, but for some reason, it didn’t come up. *g* Got stuff like National Sewing Show….
I don’t think you’re supposed to roll the flag up like the idiot in the suit is doing. But I guess if your a fucking Nazi it doesn’t matter.
What did they charge flag guy with? Don’t want a stolen flag story.
DN video/coverage, OWS/Troy Davis video starts at 9:50:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/23/headlines#11
Yes, they have been busy while we have been sleeping.
Abbas’s UN speech on cspan3 now.
Do we know the facts on this? Should be required to have a nexus with a “reasonable expectation of privacy,” I would think.
I’m still wiping the sand out of my eyes. It’s incredible how much they have us surrounded.
KochDaddy, the buddy of HL Hunt
“Independent state” gets reasonable applause.
I thought it was the dad since the sons would have been too young.
The Religious Left sends its support.
“alter the borders. This is totally unacceptable.” gets some applause.
After the action at Sotheby’s?
Abbas keeps getting interrupted by warm applause. I long ago stopped watching these pro forma speeches so I am not sure how common that is.
If this person was trying to be snarky, it’s a really ironic snarkfail:
Looks like the march with the flag had entered a building lobby?
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/31167233@N08/6175504248/in/set-72157627734636818/
Don’t appear to be related (NY Times yesterday)
WTH?
Abbas gets sizable standing o upon asking for full membership in UN, whistles. Holds up copy of application.
Obama must be feeling very proud of himself at this moment. Guessing the U.S. delegation walked out quite awhile ago.
Woot!
OT:
Throwing down the gaunlet. Yes, that is the question.
The more you look around, the more upset you get. And just consider how much more aware you are than the average American. Orwell was a piker.
Garblebot
Abbas made quite a speech. Got everything into it, was moderate in tone (unlike Ahemedinijad).
We’ll see if anything comes of it.
Abbas is making history.
LOL. I guess that means the sockpuppet army knows that we know who they are?
LOL!
Rothchild declares OWS protesters “intolerant”!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathalie-rothschild/supporters-of-the-wall-st_b_977505.html
lol.
Iz da Twittertubz constipated? Or is everyone having too much fun to tweet?
But it responds to people, all human-like, if you @ it.
Weird.
Good on ‘im! I am so glad he’s gone ahead with this.
Rut roh. That’ll start *something.*
You got it!
She’s been trolling Twitter since #occupywallstreet started. More frequently than drlaura. Didn’t know she was a HuffPo. Guess aol is where Arianna belongs.
Occupy Wall Street Day 7: One More Arrest – Three Unions Locals Join
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Occupy-Wall-Street-Day-7–by-Chaz-Valenza-110923-366.html
What if the Tea Party Occupied Wall Street?
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/09/23-7
Canadians Protesting In Sympathy With Occupy Wall Street Demonstrators
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/09/23/canadians-protesting-in-sympathy-with-occupy-wall-street-demonstrators/
http://www.livestream.com/canadarevolution
Students stand united with concerned citizens
http://thebrandeishoot.com/articles/10775
Ding! Ding! It’s not like they have offered Abbas ANYthing instead, except for contempt, of course.
It’s a Twitterbot too!
He may win the vote in the General Assembly but the US will veto in the Security Council.
Free Palestine!!
eCAHN @32:
Is anyone here working on this project? I would like to research and write this list for distribution. Would you be willing to direct me to the correct sources (don’t know where to start, even) to find the information, and would you give it your professional eyeballs before I try to send it out?
I know. It’s so depressing and revolting. I am very gratified to see (based on how hard Abbas has been pushed NOT to do this) that it clearly has meaning even with the veto. Push the system to show the system for what it is. Gotta do it.
From Occupy Toronto ( http://twitter.com/#!/occupytoronto ):
OT– What is it about fire and Rick Perry?
“Film shows ugly truths of capital punishment in Perry’s Texas” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 23, 2011)
“Incendiary: The Willingham Case: SXSW 2011 Accepted Film“
These speeches and actions that Kevin is reporting from OWS are sounding very much to me like the speeches and discussions on the ground at the Greek protests, reported by people I hear from who led and organized discussion groups there! This really is encouraging! America joins the world movement.
Slow news day. Heh.
He might have been the one arrested for “bandanna wearing” ?
(He might have had his face covered…)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Occupy-Wall-Street-Day-7–by-Chaz-Valenza-110923-366.html
The first half of DN! today is about the US/Israel-Palestine conflict. One author tells the story of a 10yo Palestinian girl with a violin who was stopped by an IDF soldier and forced to play the instrument for him, just as the Germans used to do to Jewish children. The tormentees have become the tormentors.
Other than the blogs, news media are steadfastly ignoring this. Michael Moore was right, if a thousand Tea Partyers were on Wall Street it would be news.
Indeed.
If it were 20 TPs it would be news.
YSD,
It’s just a spontaneous idea I had while reading the thread. I don’t know if anyone is working on it, as I haven’t read about it anywhere else. I’ll think about how to move forward. Perhaps you might want to email me at rosannecahn at aol dot com and we can discuss it offline.
Revenge of the oligarchy’s minions!
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=127034944063832
The networks would be breaking into programming with breathless “Breaking News Alerts.”
No matter what real actions are taken or not as a result of this speech, the speech itself, as you mentioned, is a turning point-maybe a small one, maybe bigger. Hopefully it will go viral on youtube. It certainly was a visible demonstration of where the world community stands and it’s not with O & Netty-guy.
TruthOut:
Occupy Wall Street Activists Disrupt Sotheby’s Art Auction (VIDEO)
It’s hit a nerve. “They make fun of you” – category 3 on the Gandhi scale.
Or one Tea Partyer with a hemmorhoid.
Really!
I’m a pessimist. But you’ve got to start somewhere.
Now, from Zinn, the most effective labor strikes were the ones, like OWS, were the ones that were organized from the bottom up, and that occupied the factory, which shut down the factory, kept the strikers out of the weather, and gave them a chance to talk with each other about grievances, tactics/strategies. Now it would seem impossible to get inside any of the buildings downtown, but there might be a way, like joining visitors tours of N-Y-S-E in small groups and going to the bathroom at the appropriate time until there was enough accumulation occurred to make a difference on the floor. Business attire required.
Livestream is promoting the “whatistheplan”forum. I figured they were connected. (The WITP forum is HUGE! Over 100K members in just a couple of months. They Youtube video has half a million views.)
Dirty fuckin’ hippies.
Incoming…
That’s exactly the kind of thing I was thinking about in 132.
Got it. Am thinking.
Seems like robinsage is retweeting #occupychicago locations to #NYPDServeProtect
FAIL
Not sure what to think of this:
http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/URGE
I’ve been noticing all week that global revolution livestream seemed to be being promoted via some bot-like program. Hmm…
Thanks!
echo..echo
NYPDServeProtect. That’s a hoot. Serve and protect the monied elites.
somewhat unverified:
@OccupyOrlando is suspended.
Serve and lick boots!
The deep nationstate psychodrama of this conflict cannot be lost on many thoughtful people at this point but denial is so, so, so, so deep. Especially among the moneychangers, world leaders, neocons, and neolibs, etc. and of course, the media “they” depend on to tell us the lies day after day.
Since the 9/11 ten-year whoha and the “revelations” (wtf? I knew day 1 and did not need additional scientific study …) about the toxic effects of the event, I have been working with a new and frightening appreciation of how much of reality is simply ignored.
9/11
Palestine
Israel
and on and on and on.
Yep, nothing when you try to get it on twitter.
roflmao70707070707070!
Well, it’s a start…
pick from the chicago occupation:
http://twitpic.com/6pcs89
Anonymous did some hacking in Orlando that was probably illegal. My bet is that the illegality of that hacking has made any block of access possible.
Make that 100 teapartiers.
Even better!
Is there a #sockpuppet hashtag?
Spain started with 30. Numbers aren’t too important at this stage.
OT– “Hundreds of protesters attack police station in China” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 23, 2011)
“Khmer Rouge Court to Try Former Leaders Crime by Crime” (VOANews.Org, Sept. 22, 2011)
A lot happening tomorrow at noon…
Persistence is more important than numbers, but growing numbers helps persistence.
Symbiotic.
Yes. And it’s about the quality of the groups at the grassroots. Walking in the streets and protesting is good but ‘open mikes’ where people speak their truth, setting that up, letting it happen, and seeing it take on a life of its own is the start of authentic (and very powerful) community. The fact that the black man spoke his truth in this setting is a marker of what’s happening there in terms of community development.
And yes, it’s a place to start. It could fall apart. But I see strong glue. This is the sort of thing that has kept the protests in Greece going and which probably led to Iceland saying no to the IMF and England’s banks. This is how it really gets going with staying power.
Of course I want all of these protests to succeed but they don’t. I feel positive about this becauase these are very strong signs that something different is happening.
#OccupyAtlanta has been deleted also.
Zinn is right on! In Athens they set up discussion tables outside in the streets and people started talking about “what kind of country do we want?” and “how do we make that future happen?” This can happen in the streets. Seems the time is now.
There oughta be!
Athens has a Mediterranean climate, so easier to do outside.
Does deleting it take that name out of circulation, or can someone come back later and reregister it?
Yikes! Is it Twitter Inc. or hacking?
Absolutely true. Winter’s a ways off. And in Wisconsin, they do it in the winter!
Didn’t Kevin put his email in one of his posts, or am I misremembering? Anyone have it?
This is why highly organized marches/meetings with parades of scheduled speakers are not as powerful. It’s good to have leadership speaking but if that’s all that is happening it’s really a show, not a community with a way to develop and grow.
I was really impressed by that.
TD, reader,
I don’t know if it can be reregistered, IMO it would depend on why it was deleted. Could be just a payment issue, could be more sinister. I’m not savvy enough to know if it even could be hacking. edit: I suppose it could…
Was just there. That is not Occupy Chicago. That was a group of people reminding the city and media that one year ago tomorrow the FBI issued subpoenas to 23 activists for their activism. I’m writing up a post on that right now and I have video.
Occupy Chicago is at the federal reserve bank.
kevin.gosztola@firedoglake.com
Just crossed my mind ~ we are at war, after all.
New video of downpour at Liberty Plaza:
http://www.twitvid.com/NQSRS
Thanks Kevin. I just tweeted you. I’m looking for a source of information for the NYPD pension fund being raided by banksters. eCAHN had an idea I’d like to work on for creating an informational handout for distribution to the occupiers. It might be good to show the police that they are 99%ers like us.
Aahh…this is occupy chicago at the fed?
http://instagr.am/p/N7XT_/
Here, this is good to start with for putting together flier on NYPD pensions.
I’ve been reporting hearsay. Michael Moore said something. He says when he was shooting a scene for Capitalism: A Love Story a police officer walked up when he was unrolling caution tape to mark off the crime scene. He thought he was in trouble. The officer said don’t worry Michael. Take your time. Wall Street raided our pension fund.
Entirely possible. My favorite theory is that twitter is colluding with the gov’t to nip this thing in the bud. But I might be considered a tad paranoid…
There’s a YouTube with Michael saying that (or something quite similar) out there, I saw it yesterday IIRC.
Thanks, Kevin!
Fall Campus Protests Launch; Colbert and Aronowitz on Wall Street
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/fall-campus-protests-launch-colbert-and-aronowitz-on-wall-street/39516
@jpanzar
Javier Panzar September 22, 2011
Crowd at #uc #berkeley has grown a lot, chanting “They cut, we burn.” #occupyca
http://twitpic.com/6ov898
in the video of the occupation, i glimpsed a box that had written on it:
“Thanks NYPD!
Free doughnuts.”
Very cool interview.
I check YouTube to see if I can dig something up. Thanks.
Synopsis of #occupycs yesterday (Berkeley)
http://www.dailycal.org/2011/09/23/uc-berkeleys-day-of-action/
Well now campus administration and security have been informed.
Good Berkely video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7_uRS0t8XU&feature=youtu.be
Shit! That’s gotta be really hard to take, hour after hour. Heroes come in all kinds of packages.
This is what I know, and not pretending it’s exhaustive. The significance of the AAA rating on securities is that many fiduciary investors (which would include all pension funds) are prohibited by various statutes and regulations from investing in any securities with lower than the AAA rating. Obviously the pension funds are a huge source of money, so if Wall Street wanted to get their hands on it they needed to get the mortgage backed securities rated AAA since that was their hot product in the early 2000′s. Therefore they “bribed” the rating agencies S&P Moody’s and Fitch to to give those undeserved AAA ratings or lose the Wall St business. The raters have admitted they really did not understand these derivative contracts, but they wanted the biz so they gave the ratings. And the pension funds took the losses when the weaakness of the housing market became clear.
I know! That does not look like fun at all.
That’s very helpful realitychecker. I’ll google along those lines for some more general sources. Thanks.
And of course we know that the entire political class and financial community were doing their best to NOT SEE that housing had become a major bubble that could never be sustained.
Does twitter malfunction sometimes? Things that should show up under #needsoftheoccupiers aren’t showing up.
If they cut the toobz, we are into “American Spring” territory, imho.
It is POURING. The timing of this long-lasting horrible weather is extremely unfortunate. Just as the protest is gaining momentum. Argh. Hope thye can make it through the weekend. If it keeps raining like this, it may not pick up again until the end of next week.
Not to mention regulators.
New pic from under rain tarp at Liberty Plaza:
http://yfrog.com/z/j27dajj
It cannot be overstateed how relentlessly these mortgage backed securities were being pushed. The stock market had crashed in 2000, the economy was for shit, money markets and other safe investments were paying nothing, and they were saying “this is 100% safe because its housing.” I had a relative who knew nothing, but his broker had him 100% in mortage backed securities in 2006! I made him get out, but Greenspan says he never thought the housing prices would ever go down. They all knew housing would collapse, but they were getting rich and putting regular people’s money at risk. So, fraudulently getting the “Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval” i.e. the AAA rating, was the key to the whole thing.
They should advise people to come out in swim clothes and sandals for now. Walking around in drenched jeans and soaked shoes is not fun and takes hours for them to dry.
Update on Chicago:
Last I saw was request for umbrellas and maybe more rain ponchos. Unconfirmed report of some people leaving area to seek shelter as the rain is just too heavy.
ALSO: dry socks!
I’m on the FinCom of SUNY-New Paltz Foundation. Our investments are passive so we never got caught in any of those. And as I’ve typed, I was paying attention to other stuff at the time, so I had no idea what was going on in the real world.
SUNY-NP endowment is way too small for anyone to bother with. So I’m guessing that managers of larger pools got a lot of pressure to put that junk into their portfolios. And the more politically connected, like public employee pensions, I’d guess the more pressure was being put on the managers.
However, I can assure you that if our managers (basically record keepers and automatic rebalancers among the “diversified” assets) ever came to us with a scheme like that, I’d speak out against it strenuously. Since the FinCom is a pretty sensible group, would prolly be easy to talk them out of it. College prez is on ex-officio, and has to kowtow to Albany-central, so we would certainly have recognized any political pressure. But I fancy (who knows until it happens) that we would have ignored that.
EVERYBODY that was supposed to be keeping the system honest was busily looking the other way. Everybody. Now they claim ignorance because it’s better to be known as an idiot than a criminal. The old Reagan strategy, which has now become every bad guy’s strategy. Anybody who knew ANYTHING about markets could look at the housing price charts and know it was a bubble that would crash. I have never been smart about real estate, but even I knew it.
So they’ll be needing rations of dry clothes and donations for local laudromats for dryer-time! Feel free to post such in any useful places.
Not today, or tomorrow, due to the f’n weather. The east coast needs to switch climates with California.
I can’t add myself to a list that I created (which makes sense when you think about it — how much narcissism should social media really enable?).
But, I will send some tweets from Occupy Chicago and let the world know what these bold people are trying to do.
Not to dispute what you’re saying that’s the way it’s been for a long time. But take a look at this recent NYT article, appears that the fiduciary requirements either have changed or are the process of changing.
I’ve got you on my list, and others here can do the same if they wish.
I vaguely recall reading at TPM (must have been 2008, I don’t go there anymore …) that there were some conflict of interest deals uncovered with state pension funds. Where people with insider connections made money by ‘selling’ the bad investments to the funds. I don’t doubt it for a second. Nor that it was very common.
You didn’t need political pressure, just a desire for yield, which everybody has. And they were told it was safe. You know how they market that stuff. Like gold recently. Same deal.
Great minds…
Let’s Pray the Rain away!
It’s 70 degrees. Hypothermia.
Another Liberty Park pic from under a rain tarp:
http://ow.ly/i/hSf6
No, you’re not disputing me. The first line affirms what I said. Very nice that they are now seeking to change the mechanism (that’s Franken’s work), but all the money has been gone for three years already. Can’t put the horse back in the barn now. Wall St pocketed the money, and they ain’t giving it back. The pensioners need to understand that.
Since I turned off my TV almost 2 years ago, I’ve done a lot of reading…”This Time is Different” “Too Big to Fail” “The Big Short” “13 Bankers” among other things… the best way for a layman to understand the entire subprime mortgage-backed securities scheme (and it’s spin offs, the synthetic CDOs and credit-default swaps) is to read “The Big Short.”
My mantra is: if it’s too good to be true, it is. And I stick to it.
We briefly had an alum, who (drum roll) ran a hedge fund, on the committee. In the summer of 08 he was advocating we take a much more aggressive stance in the portfolio-we needed returns like Harvard, Stanford, Yale. (10/08 Harvard reported an $8 billion loss.) Behind the scenes I arranged for a 1/2 day offsite, the purpose of which was to gently convince him that was not the way we looked at the endowment. Like all bullies, he caved when he ran into opposition. I had one more telephone interaction with him when he lamented how many good things the school couldn’t do with such low returns, and I countered that if the reality were zero interest rates, i.e. low returns for the foreseeable future, then we’d best adjust our thinking to be realistic wrt returns rather than risk losing a lot of money. He rotated off the FinCom shortly after.
Agreed.
Edit: It was really just an FYI.
New, non-lame article from HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sue-vanderzee/wall-street-protest_b_974402.html
The people who stay out there through this mess are heroes.
Tonight
65 °F
Rain Showers
100% chance of precipitation
Tomorrow
76 °F
Rain Showers
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Sunday
77 | 67 °F
Chance of T-storms
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Monday
77 | 67 °F
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Tuesday
76 | 61 °F
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link:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupy-chicago
They’re determined:
Not sure being drenched in jeans is much better.
Someone should donate wet suits.
Wool & Goretex.
Yes. IMO, there will be similar waves of failure on the credit card securities and the student loan based securities down the road. Nobody’s talking about that yet.
I know.
When safe returns were under 1%, getting 7-10% on mbs was pretty irresistible. And, of course, the Fed was making sure that safe investments stayed below 1%. It all fits together, and that’s why they should all be hanged together, or at least stripped of all their personal assets.
Just FYI, for some reason Kevin tweeted this pic:
http://twitpic.com/6pef2c
So this is apparently where Kevin is in the windy city, that might be the fed (or the bank).
http://twitpic.com/6pei6e
With temps between 70s and 80s, nylon and polyester are inexpensive substitutes. Layer under a poncho. With the ponchos they have, sweating is as much a problem as rain.
pic:
http://twitpic.com/6pejlf
OK, it is the Fed:
Is HuffPo finally coming around?
“It’s up to us, to we the people, to claim this government as ours. It’s not going to happen because we placed our trust in a class of people who repeatedly betray us. It’s going to happen because of people who put their bodies on the line, like those at the #TakeWallStreet protests. Like them or not, they have decided that enough is enough. And I think I’ve decided the same.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-ratigan/getting-money-out-we-the_b_977685.html
Jeanette Winter Loeb, the first woman partner of Goldman Sachs (who actually worked as my assistant the summer between her 2 years at HBS), lost her entire $22 million financial portfolio (I am told she also owned real estate) to Bernie Madoff. As you say, irresistible. (BTW that was the reason Madoff ended up in jail and the rest of them got bigger bonuses; Madoff ripped of the rich.)
The diff bet JWL and professional money managers is that she should have been savvy enough to understand that Madoff’s returns were a house of cards. Professional money managers OTOH would lose their jobs if they stuck to 1% for a quarter or two (let alone all the years the bubble inflated before it burst) while their peers were “earning” 7%.
Full size, over the columns it says “Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago”
HuffPo isn’t, but it has a lot of (still volunteer?) writers and a few are.
Hopefully Ratigan will talk about it on his show then. His endorsement may draw in more Libertarian and Austrian economics types, but whatever. The more people, the more diverse, the better. That’s America.
The video that you and Kevin are looking for is embedded in this HuffPo post. That part is around 6:50 or so in.
So may not have been a YouTube, sorry. Edit: Looks to me like it IS an embedded YouTube…
Sure, Wall St knows how the machine works, and they worked it. That’s fine, until they engineer, and then rely on, fraudulent AAA ratings to do it. Then they become criminals.
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150323989254421&id=74000949420&refid=24&_ft_a=74000949420&_ft_tf
Unconfirmed:
CONFIRMED!
http://twitter.com/#!/mmflint
Seems NYC pensions invested in British Petroleum and lost a bit from the Gulf Leak. Someone ought to remind the boys in blue. *smirk*
Kewl. I don’t have sound on this computer, so I’m saving YouTube research for tonight. Thanks for the link.
OccupyAmerica front paged at michaelmoore.com
In the good ole Untied States of Murka, you aren’t a criminal until you’re tried and convicted. Laws apply only to the 99%ers, and the part of the 1%ers who cheat their peers… So no, by any practical definition of crime in the U.S., they aren’t criminals.
Excellent. Maher is a must-watch anyway, IMO.
Kevin: Is there any way to put the proposition of supporting a Full Court Press (see also here) to occupation participants? Doing so will take more than 3 minutes, which I think is the governing rule that has been adopted.
IMO, just about any activism without an electoral threat is like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. I’ve long been fascinated by how ineffective activist have been, at least when opposing plutocratic agendas. Not easily and transparently tying in your activism to creating the easy ability to fire your Congressional gate-keeper seems to be the main reason for this ineffectiveness.
As I put it in a recent diary of mine, National Nurses United opts for feel good activism, ignores lessons of Tea Parties and WI Dems
It seems to me that many of the protesters are unemployed – they could run for office, as minimalist Full Court Press candidates, and not have to worry about losing their jobs.
I’ve also made many suggestions for propagating progressive memes cheaply, in Progressives are Stupid if they don’t seize their opportunity to educate their Republican neighbors. One of the ideas I pointed to was pamphleting schools immediately after the school day ends.
In the case of the Wall Street occupation, I’m wondering if high school kids in Manhattan have been hit up to come join them, after school?
With respect, I couldn’t disagree more. You become a criminal the moment you commit a criminal act. What you are talking about is how one becomes a convicted criminal. Big diff. We are surrounded by unconvicted criminals. That’s just a failure of the justice system, from prosecutors on down.
From SCOTUS, from POTUS, and from Congress … on down?
All three “branches” are almost fully complicit, no?
Prosecuters are just playin’ politics as it is, with all due deference, of course.
How are all of you feisty Fire Dogs doing today, rc?
(Isn’t that “happy” chap a hoot?)
The speech by Abbas was fantastic eloquent, and I thank eCAHN for putting up a link.
;~DW
Livestream is live again. They’re marching in what’s now a mild drizzle.
OWS art!
http://imgur.com/a/BobTs
You take a literal read of the law. I take a pragmatic interpretation of the law. In your interpretation the law applies to everyone, in mine it applies only to the 99%ers; the 1%ers being exempt. I mention trial and conviction only as illustration that the law does not apply to 1%ers bc they will never be put on trial. You can call them criminals if you prefer, but that is one of the myths that the few use to exert control of the many.
Hmmm. NYPD Pension fund also invested in Halliburton.
We need more of that. Music too.
Also chants. I have read that “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids have you killed today” chanted constantly from the park across the street from the WH bothered the sh*t out of LBJ.
Audio from occupy chicago livestream is up, but I’m not seeing video?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupy-chicago
Link
Thought some here might want to see this:
More:
Link
Mooney papers (Washinton Times) on @robinsage:
Fictitious femme fatale fooled cybersecurity/
If this is true, we’re either (1) in deeper danger than we thought or (2) in no danger at all.
This is supposed to be a professional cybersecurity genius?
Moore states it later in last night’s interview on Current with Keith Olbermann:
Keith Olbermann Interviews Michael Moore on “Occupy Wall Street” Movement (9-22-11).
WOAH!!!
WHAT???
lol. Just…what??
So what was with the Japanese porn spam??
Might our illustrious national security types have a weakness for Japanese porn spam?
Sure, but you wouldn’t expect them to use twitter to broadcast their vice to the world!
I almost wonder if it might just be a prank? Some bored anon trying to keep the masses entertained by using the name RobinSage?
Here comes the counter-propaganda. Some guy gets Breitbarted.
I believe it was meant to entrap national security types to embarrass them into contracting with this Thomas Ryan character to consult with them about social media security.
it’s retweeting Kevin now:
*hides under a whole pile of aluminum foil*
lol
Certainly sucked in the WT if it is. A boilerroom setup of highschool Twitter nerds could do it.
I don’t understand. You mean, he has intel on someone’s japanese porn habits, and that might be a veiled message to that person?
He uses Japanese porn as bait. The one who takes the bait gets strung along until…
Maybe it was from the place he found the images:
But then there’s this:
The washington times article is listed under “her” profile on twitter.
I’m voting prank.
“You are causing America’s depression!”
http://www.jimhightower.com/node/7553
He’s been one of my favorite “rabble-rousers” for years. Won’t get anybody in the streets, but eventually over time it leads people like me to places like this.
Yep. The interchange above is too much like a cheap novel.
OT but interesting in view of Just Say Now:
NYCLU response
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=8905
Troll and sockpuppet:
In it for the long haul.
Yeah. And kinda pranking, I think.
Every report DefendWallSt to Twitter (as spam or directly). S/he’s revealing people’s personal information.
Wait:
(this JUST happened!)
http://twitter.com/#!/providesecurity
I had him and Asher:
http://twitter.com/#!/Asher_Wolf
Open in two separATE tabs, lurking in the drama.
Central and southeastern NJ security firm trolling for clients with a sockpuppet and a link to the WT telling how great they are. And imagining they are in the 1%.
Wait…it’s back.
????
Here’s a good pic of #OccupyChi outside the ABC studio…
https://yfrog.com/klbvddmj
If what she says is true, she appears to have a point.
Great photo.
OT– “Scientists discover virus that kills all types of breast cancer ‘within seven days’” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 23, 2011).
So the implication here is that if a person has preventative health care, that very early stage cancer could be reversed with intentional infection s.t. the chemo, nuclear medicine and the other hard-on-the-body treatments could be made mostly obsolete.
Tangential– Check out what a US tax payer supported lab in Michigan has discovered which I think should not be privatized.
FDL mention
I know that I shouldn’t be there for exactly the same reasons. Even though I’m Wonder Bread white, temperment-wise I’m closer to the Black Panthers than MLK.
I’m not seeing it.
Activists Bring Wall St. Demonstration to Willis Tower
http://chicagoist.com/2011/09/23/occupy_chi_activists_bring_wall_st.php
Hey DW. Took a nap. Sure, all branches are complicit, to the extent they enable and don’t work against, I was just focusing on who has to initiate adjudication in a criminal matter. If the cop/enforcement agent doesn’t intiate, if the prosecutor doesn’t initiate, noone gets convicted. And,yes, happy is a character and a half. He actually reminds me of someone we’ve encountered before, fair chance he’s the same guy. He avers many of the same things. I think the other handle was David H.? Recall that? He claimed to have a Porsche and an Aston Martin. Feels like the same guy. One wonders what a superhero like that would be doing hanging around here, n’est-ce pas? I guess the Internet can make giants of us all.
Lame
Federal Reserve Branches
‘Occupy Wall Street’ protest website mentions Cleveland
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/%27occupy-wall-street%27-protest-website-mentions-Cleveland
Did Mr SecuritySage just take his phone # off his website?
Old:
http://yfrog.com/z/h3ojvecj
New:
http://www.providesecurity.com/home/
We do not disagree as to what reality is. I just use the word “criminal” to avoid giving the impression that I consider them innocents just because they don’t get prosecuted. But it’s become infuriatingly clear that only us underlings, us unconnected people, are required to follow all the rules.
I hope this ends up with a massive occupation of DC in October..
Well, they might have made money on that one lol. Expect them to be angry only about the ones that made their money disappear.
Either that or it was taken off for him.
Raises some interesting question re: Twitter. Did you have a spam report for @robinsage?
Catch me up on this providesecurity stuff? I haven’t been following today (busy workday).
That’s the ticket. Storm the media offices until they get their cameras out.
It’s all in the thread.
If you look closely at the photograph, you’ll see the words Federal Reserve Bank etched in the stone just above the columns. So proud that Kevin Gosztola is a Chicago resident, I’ll be heartbroken if he decides to leave here once he finishes his education.
http://yfrog.com/kgpwhkrj
LOL. I’m from Brooklyn, so passive does not come to me easily. Plus, my head rides about a half-foot higher than most heads. Always got me in trouble in school to be that visible. Lower grades, of course.
He’s some sort of wanna be cybersecurity provider who trolls and pranks twitter in his spare time, I think. Also, has a bot on twitter named robinsage.
Hey, there’s only so many important stories that one can cover badly. /s
Not to mention cybersex lol.
Hey, I’m 6’5″ and 265, so I know exactly what you mean.
Ha!
707!!!111!!ONe!
“What if the Tea Party Occupied Wall Street?” (FAIR.Org, Sept. 23, 2011)
OT– Western Businesses Plotting How to Reap Billions From Libya (Reuters, Sept. 23, 2011)
“Harper goes to the UN: Canadian imperialism and Palestine” (rabble.Ca, by Nick Day, Sept. 23, 2011)
“Taxing the rich” (rabble.Ca, by Andrew Jackson, Sept. 23, 2011)
There you go! I bet we could trade some stories lol. But, if we were out there together, they’d be slightly more likely to grab you before me. Like that old joke about outrunning the bear, and only really having to outrun your companion . . .
Kelly Wind
@kellywind Kelly Wind
RT @kennethlipp Shipping address for #OccupyWallSt: UPS Store 118 A #205 New York, NY 10038 – RE: OCCUPY WALL S #needsoftheoccupiers pls RT!
Now THAT’S something; they have a physical address folks can ship stuff to!
The Revolution will be commercialized?
http://www.cafepress.com/9172011
barry jons
@garylarry34 barry jons
buy #occupywallstreet shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/9172011
$ goes to media team @GlobalRevLive @OccupyWallSt @TakeWallStreet @anonops @LupeFiasco
Livestream: “In spite of the rain, there are about 450 people out here.”
The chat associated with the live stream …
Buses to Wall Street
Carpool to #Occupy Wallstreet
#OccupyMemorialDrive in Kansas City, MO – #EndCorporatocracy
http://www.children-of-liberty.com/
on October 9th
Twitter censorship?
http://ampedstatus.org/twittercensorship-blocks-occupywallstreet-from-top-trending-topic-twice/
How reliable is AmpedStatus?
I’m not real sure, but IIRC they’re not all that accurate.
Edit: I think “hype” was the term used.
Something to tell grandkids about in 50 years.
It’s another aggregator. You have to analyze each piece (author, material, citations) no matter from whence it comes. I find some great content there.
Max Keiser on the “Balance Sheet Recession” (Sept. 23, 2011)
Photos: Occupy Wall Street: 23 September 2011
h/t Progress2day
Chicagoans #OccupyWallStreet
http://radioarte.org/2011/09/23/chicagoans-occupywallstreet/
pic:
http://twitgoo.com/4juwzl
Flash Mob! Day 7
h/t spiritscall
Article about Occupy Chicago:
http://chicagoist.com/2011/09/23/occupy_chi_activists_bring_wall_st.php#photo-1
Tension and Theater in the Picket Lines of #OccupyWallStreet
http://hyperallergic.com/36347/tension-and-theater-in-the-picket-lines-of-occupywallstreet/ (arts magazine/blog)
Kevin:
Perry@theNation
http://instagr.am/p/N9Cqg/
http://instagr.am/p/N9BWH/ media center at #OccupyWallStreet
I am so proud of those kids! We just need the old hands there to help them. I also like the idea above about protests outside the NY Times and News/Radio Stations!
Occupy Los Angeles
OT– “2011-09-22 US government secretly stored nuclear weapons in the Philippines” (WLCentral.Org, Sept. 22, 2011). Where else have nuclear weapons been hidden?
WHOOP!
I’m not so sure about the old hands being able to help. There are a lot of tactics that I might suggest that might not work in the current situation. I might say a lot here, but if I were there, I think I would be listening to what was new that might be more effective that some of the things I’ve done.
Well, we learned today that American flags and masks don’t mix. The NYPD will bust you for the mask. And take your flag away.
OMG! That makes one question if it is the same all foreign bases! Sheesh.
Yeah, well I’ve never known about Tarps being unlawful contraband either. They still use them at the stadium.
I would have thought a SAC base in the Philippines (or anywhere else) at the time of the Marcos regime would be storing nuclear weapons. This is news only for folks who didn’t live during that period when stuff like that was taken for granted.
No more Tricks or Treats either. A shame since the holiday is coming up.
SAC and nuclear submarine bases. In other words, the bases that host the delivery vehicles. SOP through the Cold War. Probably less so today since the US stood down against the former Soviet Union. I suspect that most of our nuclear warheads today are mobile instead of at bases.
Nice little hit job by the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/nyregion/protesters-are-gunning-for-wall-street-with-faulty-aim.html
If you look at the pictures today, it seems the Lawyers Guild folks fixed that issue.
Yeah, but that many? For all those shoes? Imelda just didn’t realize how dangerous those shoes were. She didn’t just cause starvation, she caused the US reasons to stockpile for lavishness. Hmmm. Nevermind. It’s getting too close to home.
Interview on live stream with ill first responder and union worker.
“Occupy Wall Street-Troy Davis protest in NYC” (CitizenRadio.Com, Sept. 23, 2011)
The complete works of Ginia Bellafante.
To Liberty Plaza’s Patriots: “Change The Hearts Of The Oppressed”
http://pubrecord.org/nation/9743/liberty-plazas-patriots-change/
By Dustin Slaughter
via: http://www.bing.com/blogs/search
Hey, I grew up within a hundred miles of the “bumb” plant at Savannah River.
LOL!
So, exactly whom might those outlets be? Nobody knows for sure. I guess I blacked them out and didn’t see their reporting on it.
We are all Carolinians! ;-D
An overwhelming majority of the stuff is entertainment (TV show reviews, etc.)
Qualifies one to write on a political protest, doesn’t it? Kid blew her big chance.
MoDo journalism on the march.
Occupy San Jose
“Tea Party Crashes ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Protest, Finally Brings Press To Event” (FreewoodPost.Com,
Sept. 23, 2011)
OT– “Pension arrangements for federal judges are being overhauled to provide greater financial security for the former partners of divorced judges. ” … “Penny Wong to overhaul judges’ pensions” (The Australian, Sept. 23, 2011)
http://www.therudeguy.com/
There are so many things wrong with this article. First off, it is clearly not written to report and inform but rather to disparage and discredit the group in the park.
Gee, five old people is not a lot of money for a Wall Streeter to hire through Dick Armey and Art Pope. But the big expense was the media kits to the press about the big counter-protest.
It’s an, er, “event review”. The folks in Liberty Park lack choreography.
Yeah, that’s the first time I’ve ever referred to an article as a hit job before, actually.
Are you joking? (honest question, as it wouldn’t surprise me if there was some sort of institutional bias at the NYT.)
MoDo?
More from the live feed …
A Young Persons Guide to the Universe: “#OccupyWallStreet Live feed!” (AYoungPersonsGuide.Com, by Jony Espinal, Sept. 22, 2011)
“UK lawyers to start News Corp legal action in U.S.: report” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 23, 2011)
ChicagoMassAction.Org: “October 8, 2011 – Midwest Regional March for Peace and Justice. U.S./NATO Out of Afghanistan NOW!”
LOL!We should call the Gregory Brothers and request some autotuning and a baseline, as well.
Cool video from last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVZH8mGpd5k
Tomorrow
76 °F
Rain Showers
70% chance of precipitation
Tomorrow Night
67 °F
Chance of Rain
50% chance of precipitation
Sunday
79 | 67 °F
Chance of T-storms
40% chance of precipitation
Monday
77 | 65 °F
Chance of T-storms
50% chance of precipitation
Tuesday
74 | 65 °F
Chance of Rain
50% chance of precipitation
Seems like a young reporter on a typical grunt assignment who is a Maureen Dowd wannabe. My deconstruction of the article.
http://twitpic.com/6piphc
I may aim for Sunday morning. T-storms tend to come and go. Tuesday’s weather could change quite a bit between now and then. Still have some prepping to do so I can make good use of the time there and money I’ll have to spend to get there.
Chance of occupation: 100%.
(ripped off from, I think it was @jeffrae. )
Been wanting to do a post dissecting media coverage. I may get something up over the weekend. Sad thing is that is a liberal view. There are liberal blogs out there that get pretty good traffic where that take on the occupation can be found.
Why does this have to go anywhere? The conscience of a nation is being awakened. Once we’re all awake, then we can worry about “pragmatism” or “results” or keeping our tops on and whether being a hippie who wants to address all injustice at once is going to accomplish anything or not.
Hope the progress in building support made yesterday can be picked up when the rain goes away. I understand many people who support it are likely not comfortable hanging out all day in heavy rain.
See, I’m a total, not conspiracy theorist, exactly, but “bias-theorist”.
I imagine some Head PoooBah asking some Almost-Head-PooBah “Have you heard any of the writers talking about the protests on WS? Any of them think it’s stupid?”
“Yeah, so and so!”
“Send her in here!”
I could be completely wrong, tho.
hi all, just tuning in. what have i missed today?
Socially liberal, but elite lifestyle. Very Serious People have to punch those who do the difficult and risky things that help advance the beliefs they share. Some/many are socially liberal, but could care less about economic problems because to them, they worked hard and deserve what they got and those who are underemployed or unemployed, and especially those who protest, are losers. I think this is particularly true of professionals in cities like DC, NYC, Chicago, and SF. They can only pretend to care and understand if those more elite than them (ie, VIP, very important politicians and prominent Democratic Party activists) express support for the protests, such as the case with Troy Davis (who deserved the attention and I’m glad he did).
rain, all day. the good news is the core group stuck through it.
Not much. Sleepy day. (it rained all day.)
Sigh.
Wikileaks link
He also has one on this post, but seemed a little redundant.
Has anyone heard how Mariel is doing now that she’s home?
Not sure if any of you have watched the weather satellite the past 5 days, but the jet stream had a very strange hairpin shape two days ago. Made me think of manipulation and seeding. I’m on the East coast and we have had rain every day. Strange for this time of year.
No word since yesterday.
Good luck with that!
If they had wanted to do that, they could have put David Brooks on it.
This was done as City news (marginalizing) by an event reporter (further marginalizing it as youth culture or entertainment). I think they didn’t have to pick the reporter specifically; most anyone would know to write to the office scuttlebutt. This was about as low a status reporter as one could find in a newspaper pecking order.
The fail was not being subtle about it. Might as well have started the headline “Hit Job:”
Robinsage’s follow list is a mix of Fox News and related right wing celebrities and Anonymous and OccupyWallStreet accounts. I thought it was just a plain old spam bot. It may have been a legit user who had a weak password and got hacked, but doesn’t explain why they use #occupywallstreet so much as it’s not trending. Or, it’s a right-winger or “security” firm’s spam account, set up to flood #occupywallstreet with junk. Wouldn’t be surprised. Just look at DefendWallst, who is advising followers to spy on and stalk activists, as s/he is doing, and to send him/her the info so s/he can share it.
Russia today is so weird sometimes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5gNlDLXduk
It’s, like, 75% leftwing, with this strange goldbug/goldstandard/Austrian thing going on. Kind of schizophrenic. Putin called for the world to “Go Galt” on the dollar a while back, tho. Probably related.
Don’t need manipulation and seeding explanations when you have had a hot summer and the ocean temperatures are still pretty hot. I don’t know of any technology but long-term human idiocy that could affect the jet stream.
The radar tonight looks like the rain is clearing out of there.
It’s this guy’s bot:
http://twitter.com/#!/providesecurity
Whole dialogue earlier with this guy:
http://twitter.com/#!/Asher_Wolf
Google “Robin Sage” to learn more about the history of the indentity.
Not sure what dude’s agenda is ATM. I call trolling/pranking.
No, just this – Mariel writing on her arrest experience (may already have been posted).
That’s true. I’ve just never seen the jet stream do that curl so far up in the US. We have had spring rains like this and November rains before that lasted for a week here. Just a little unusal so early in the season.
I agree the weather is sick and no signs of the seasons being what we would consider normal.
Just went and gathered my mail, and I received my Original Firebagger T-shirt. Gives me something to wear to #OccupyPDX planning thingy if my pain level lets me. Hint for NY from the Northwest wool and polar fleece+ raingear keeps you warm, nylon-type soccer and football jersies are also good layers.
Safety tip for the media crew there Ground Fault Interrupter outlets keep one from getting nasty electrical bites. Most generators have them and sometimes you can still get small shocks that can be overcome by wearing surgical gloves under the cheap blue rubber work gloves(ask the construction guys when they stop by, they probably can donate a pair) just make sure the wet fabric back of the blue gloves is rolled back onto the surgicals, so the wet fabric isn’t in contact with bare skin.
This is pretty cool:
Aww…how sweet!!
Can you give a link? I’ll RT.
Do you know a website with a weather radar Java/Flash app on it?
Especially Kind!
I just had a thought and wondered if those kids in the Park have watched the movie, “Inside Job”. Heck, Michael Moore’s, “Capitalism, A love story” is something that would give them a way to gather their thoughts.
It’s just a tweet. I guess I could unlock my account (yes, I’m that paranoid
) and figure out how to send it (?)
Right on.
“Higher Ground” – Blind Boys of Alabama
Thanks a lot MayDaze. I’m glad to hear her speaking up. I’ve been worried about her. Can you also point me to the article Gail initially wrote that is referenced in the post you linked to?
OK, here is the first post and here’s the follow-up.
I used to go see them perform in New York a century ago at least in churches and at the Apollo in Harlem.
How fortunate! I discovered them because of the work they’ve done with Ben Harper.
Ron Suskind on Bill Maher’s show. Talking about how hard it was for Obama to learn that his staff and appointees were to oversee.
Thank you very much.
God. It’s hard enough reading about and seeing the horrible things that are happening to people protesting the policies of our financial elites, but then to have such ugly commenters join in the conversation.
Yes, they are incredible. There were gospel concerts back then with absolutely amazing groups: The Mississippi Blind Boys, the Swan Silvertones. Not remembering more right now. I was usually the only white person in the audience. It was a real privilege to be there.
I really love that music.
That’s ok. I’ll search the name on twitter.
Protesters Rally Against Government Bailouts
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/money/protesters-rally-against-government-bailouts-9-23-2011
I think you could just follow @OccupyWallStNYC and go down their history to find it.
The one I used was this:
WRAL-TV National Radar: Northeast
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET Hits Week One
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/occupywallstreet-hits-week-one/
Vanishing patience
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-09/24/content_13784117.htm
Well, Michael Moore never got around to it, but Tom Morello of “Rage Against the Machine” fame put in a couple of plugs for the folks at Occupy Wall Street during his spot on Bill Maher. (Only the 2nd time in 2 years I’ve actually watched a TV program … the other was the night Mubarak went on TV and channeled Han Solo (“its not my fault … so I’m not resigning” & next day the generals made him step down)).
Whatever these were doing to produce this great music, folks need to keep doing it.
“If I Can Help Somebody” – Marion Williams
Sure many have, but it’d be awesome if someone had a video projector and tripod projection screen so they could show films out there. However, given the weather lately, I don’t think many want to take expensive electronics out there. It’s just been/still is shitty weather for 7 days.
In this political environment of massive institutional betrayal, process is pragmatic. Bottom-up democratic process is pragmatic. But to get beyond cliche thinking requires some mental shaking up. And some sense of empowerment. Direct actions are empowering if they are handled strategically. The General Assembly process is very practical for the sort of awakening and consensus that has to occur without the crutch of pre-formed solutions. The process of the group working together forms the movement that operates is a different way from previous movements.
Process is pragmatic. And this process is going to take a bit of time to sort through stuff before you have specific policy-type statements–although from the “one demands” and the working documents you can see what is being dumped into the process. And a significant event in the process is the execution of Troy Davis; that is going to have unexpected effects on the process and what happens to the movement that is being formed.
Kevin, I think your comment is on target. The FDR liberal impulse is to jump immediately into pre-formed, almost traditional, policies and to prematurely suck off the energy into electoral politics. As process, we (and they) should work the process and hold off on electoral commitments as long as we can. The political environment must be transformed so that people have a voice again before electoral politics can make sense. That environment is being driven by a commercial culture-creating machine that exploits culture and forces values and judgments. People have to finally say not to that cultural domination by the economic institutions before the political culture can recover. That is why OccupyWallStreet makes so much sense and has hit a nerve across the nation.
video:
http://vimeo.com/29511960
Wow
Downloadable posters from OccupyTogether.org
http://occupytogether.org/downloadable-posters/
This recording shows a flash of her vocal power:
“Joshua Fit The Battle Of Jericho” – Mahalia Jackson
GREAT video if you haven’t seen it yet:
(and if you saw it without the revolution/war overlays and music, you haven’t really seen it!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLci5DoZqHU
Went through the various organizers and here are scheduled events for tomorrow that I found:
OWSLosAngeles – Next general assembly 10am in front of city hall
OccupyFDSF (San Francisco) – Assembly tomorrow UNION SQUARE at noon
OccupyWallStNYC – Saturday Rally & Solidarity March. 12 PM. Liberty Plaza (formerly Zucotti Park)
Times are local, you do the math.
Anyone find anything else please post.
Goodnight, in solidarity.
AAhh…that wasn’t the right video!
This is the right video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75w6p7cKB8&feature=youtu.be
I thought that was very well done.
Thanks to one and all for the wonderful effort on this. You are doing one hell of a job! I have been lurking for the entire 7 days now and will be back again in the morning.
Thank you for being here with us (silently or not!)
Video of the umbrella protest earlier this evening: http://vimeo.com/29511360
It makes me cry every time I watch it.
They’re answering questions on the livestream. Just said they could use ponchos, blankets, socks, something to heat water, food. Earlier question was how is the park – clean-wise, and the answer was that they’re keeping it clean – some NYers have complimented them on it.
That’s really cool!
Are you giving training to other cities protest groups.
They have some people going to other cities later, but are willing to answer any questions.
Tweeting the needs now.
Any response from Wall Street?
DefendWallStreet was attempting to collect personal information about the protesters, and there was a supposed counter-protest that never materialized.
Tomorrow, they are going to try and get the impressions of the 1%. If they can.
Good night. See you (for the) next week.
They had a guy ride his bike from Boston to NY.
#OccupyBuffalo started.
Niters TarheelDem.
How does it feel to be making history?
Pretty good. Applause. And live stream is gone.
Drat, stream is back, but I think something happened to my speakers when the blast of sound from the recorded clip screamed through them. I can’t hear anything from my computer.
There might have been 5 people counter-protesting today (don’t trust the source on even the 5 supposed tea partiers.) There was a Facebook event planning to dump campaign on OWS’ers, but it never happened.
Goodnight.
Maybe an #occupymemphis, too:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23Occupymemphis
Pretty sure it was the facebook event they were talking about, cause they said they had some guys come dressed in suits to try and fit in with the hoity-toitys. Don’t know if they knew about the supposed 5. I checked out the “news” article on it, my impression was that it was something like the Onion.
“Rain or Shine; Liberty & Broadway” in New York City (video, by JRL, Sept. 23, 2011, PM)
“Council expresses solidarity with Wall Street occupation – Council of Canadians” (ActivistCanada.Com, by norm, Sept. 24, 2011)
“Banks are sitting on cash hoards and corporate profits are riding high — yet ordinary US taxpayers face joblessness and cuts.” … “Why 2,000 People Needed to Occupy Wall Street: Banks Are Raking in Profits While Taxpayers Are Getting Screwed” (AlterNet.Org, by Amy Goodman, Sept. 21, 2011)
#OccupyVancouver up.
Are you talking to me @464?
Watch it again, just coz it’s THAT badass (and eventually some recent American footage will be worked in?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K75w6p7cKB8&feature=youtu.be
From live stream …
Books/reading material for folks in Liberty Plaza can be sent to: 118A FULTON ST, #205, NEW YORK, NY 10083 .
As new folks come, they are integrated into the process of consensus.
Bring food!
Everyone else asleep?
Hi, mzchief!
Doesn’t look too cold over there tonight on livecam. Everyone’s in short-sleeves, no jackets/coats/hoodies.
Tweeted!
Depressing: #takewallstreet and #troydavis are the only “serious” subjects I’ve ever seen trend on twitter.
I’ll take it. I think he’ll take it too.
songs from tonight, after midnight:
http://yfrog.com/ngp20z
Yeah, sorry about that. Reply fail on my part.
Been watching the all night live stream, at about 4:15 am est. The live stream people said they successfully unmasked an undercover cop. He seemed to be especially camera shy and someone put 2 and 2 together. Someone walked up to the table and called for people with cameras(the protesters only form of security) The undercover(?) ran up to a couple uniforms and they both started writing stuff down. When the people with the cameras showed up he tried to cover his face they managed to get all around him and he fled down the street. The right side actually wins one every once in awhile after all.
xo99percent
Facebook won’t let me post the link to this site. I’ve been trying for 5 minutes and it keeps giving me an error…
Sure enough. I can’t post the wordpress site in a status update but can post it in a comment. Odd…
Sent her an “appreciative” email. It’s easy. Just click thru from the article linked by TD.
Mark Zuckerberg likes quirky things apparently–always changing to make it quirkier.
The Zucker-minions appear to be censoring that particular site from status updates. I tried posting it from my phone as well. It links in the status update but when you click “post” it prompts an error message every time.
Korgasm_’s Twitpic
Morning, all!
A new twitter list of @Occupy[wherever] tweets across the country from @OccupyTogether.
Group of Protesters from Maine
Note Verizon truck in pic.
I’m putting together a group to head up to Dallas tomorrow. We’re going to occupy (at least for a few hours).
Going to Talk to the Detectives
Green hat = legal team???
Looks like OccupyAtlanta is up and running with a meeting today @ 10:
Well, it’s not like they’re gonna admit to it…
The NY Post said 300. The Times is quoting the Post. Amazing.
Slate: Facebook Ticker
I think that pretty much catches up the overnight news from the list.
Tampa on board, no time for the meeting provided (yet)
Uh, duh. Ya think?
Heh. I saw that one a few minutes back. The censorship here is infuriating.
List of Demands by #OccupyWallStreet
Amazingly “fair and balanced” coverage of the nascent OccupyPhoenix rally yesterday. (amazing, because it is the local Fox affiliate)
Fresh pictures (link goes to person’s google+ pics)
“But who will laugh at the watchers? (Video, Sept. 24, 2011)
Green hats are supposed to be National Lawyers Guild (on Facebook) legal observers on the ground but it’s appropriate to verify.
Tangential– { LOL } This morning’s emptywheel post: “Does Treasury Believe Spreading Our Flawed Banking System Is a Solution to Terrorism?” (EmptyWheel.Net, by emptywheel, Sept. 23, 2011)
Actually was fair and balanced. No exaggeration or embelishment.
Pictures from #OccupyWallStreet (link leads to a photo album inside facebook)
OT– From “US to block Palestinian bid for UN membership” (NHK.Or.Jp, Sept. 24, 2011):
“S. Korea bank chief found dead in apparent suicide” (AFP, Sept. 23, 2011)
I posted that two days ago with a criticism of the idea of one IP, one vote. I don’t think those are official from the General Assembly if they are dated 9/22.
My criticism of one IP, one vote:
1. It’s a great way to collect IP addresses of folks who are involved in the process.
2. There is not in fact a one-to-one relationship between an IP address and a person. Some people have multiple IP addresses; some have none.
3. A technological way of holding secure elections or referenda has not been developed yet.
Looks drier.
I agree with all of your points. The more I peruse it the more I come to think this was posted by someone from the occupation but not a product of the GA.
Concur besides the fact that IP addresses are spoofable.
Bottom line on Marcy’s article:
It ain’t gonna happen until there is a universal global middle class. Do you see a problem with the bankers’ long-term vision there? A contradiction of capitalism, if not Marx’s specific one. When you ration scare goods (money) by ability to pay (fees and interest and taxes for bailouts), there is no way to make it universal unless everyone has the ability to pay.
And trying to force it through regulations creates a financial black market, which is how Treasury is treating hawalas even though they are not.
My sense: The US is gonna have to choose. And someone just might point out that there are now more Muslim voters in the US than Jewish voters.
Yep. Great way to pad the votes without tracing the source.
In my view, the imposition and maintenance of an international financial system of black markets is the point of the bankstas and their various handmaidens (e.g. Tel-Sat-Cos). They live to counterfeit.
Kenneth Lipp on Stickam – Join the live stream
http://www.stickam.com/kenlipp
http://twitpic.com/6pt2xz
OT– “Fox in the Schoolhouse: Rupert Murdoch Wants to Teach Your Kids!” (MotherJones.Com, Sept. 23, 2011)
‘“Confidence Men” Author Ron Suskind Responds to Obama Admin’s Fiery Denials about Financial Crisis‘ (DemocracyNow.Org, Sept. 23, 2011)
Principles of Solidarity
This is the list they were working on last night at the GA.
#jan25 and some of the other uprising hashtags from the Arab Spring trended
Occupy Wall Street Los Angeles
http://trident3.myfullseat.com/events/1389561-Occupy-Wall-Street-Los-Angeles
OT– More on what your “austerity” is purchasing and producing:
(excerpt from “US Resumes Arms Sales to Bahrain,” MotherJones.Com, Sept. 23, 2011).
New live blog for the day: http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/09/24/live-blog-of-occupywallstreet-one-week-later-growing-stronger-by-the-day/
Protesters take aim at Wall Street, demonstrate weak economy
(Staten Island Real-Time News)
http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/herd_on_the_street_protesters.html
Chinese Protest(er) at Occupy Wall St
http://fluxview.com/USA/chinese-protest-occupy-wall-st?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VLOGFLUX+%28V+L+O+G+~+F+L+U+X%29
New live blog is up.
Hey, I played wide receiver, so don’t be so sure that you can outrun me.
Of course, that was a looong time ago, so maybe?