(photo: edenpictures )A teachers union and a postal workers union are now reportedly taking an interest in Occupy Wall Street. The PSC union at the City University of New York has already shown support for the occupation, as have members of the Industrial Workers of the World.
A few major segments on Occupy Wall Street ran on Monday night. “Countdown” hosted by Keith Olbermann interviewed a protester, who had been pepper-sprayed (someone who was not involved in the incident with Officer Bologna, which has become well-known). “Piers Morgan Tonight” had Michael Moore on the show and Moore discussed American capitalism and Occupy Wall Street. The most compelling segment, however, came from MSNBC’s The Last Word hosted by Lawrence O’Donnell. O’Donnell used the incidents of unprovoked police brutality by the NYPD on Saturday to make a larger point about police brutality in America and why police doing this is nothing new to communities of color. Citing Rodney King, he stated:
Black America would have loved to have been shocked by what they saw police do to Rodney King but Black America only could have been shocked if what the police did to Rodney King was something completely alien to their community experience, was something they couldn’t imagine the police doing in their community. There’s a Rodney King every day in this country and Black America has always known that.
The segment is required viewing. It’s bold commentary, the kind I thought only broadcast shows like Democracy Now! permitted.
Now, an announcement for those who have been following and are involved with this blog: A producer with “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” contacted me yesterday and wanted to know more about the live blogging. I had to tell her I was not in New York City when she expressed interest in having me appear on the program. It is unfortunate, however, it shows what a blogger/reporter can do with social media. It also shows how successful the blog has been and every FDL user here who has helped me stay on top of Occupy Wall Street coverage deserves to be thanked.
Firedoglake’s premier blog on Occupy Wall Street continues (later than normal because I had to write this commentary—Why the Establishment Media and the Power Elite Loathe Occupy Wall Street—before I could do continue live blogging).
Twitter list to follow for the latest updates.
LIVE STREAM OF OCCUPY WALL STREET VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
11:40 PM The WikiLeaks Truck arrives only to be told to leave by the cops.

11:19 PM Now this, from MSNBC, is reasonable and good reporting/coverage that attempts to understand the who, what, when and why of Occupy Wall Street.
11:10 PM The General Assembly is deliberating over what demands to stand behind. Colin Jones, a writer, has been tweeting the entire process. Here are some of his tweets:





11:04 PM Liberty Square (via @SabzBrach)

10:42 PM Tom Goodkind, a member of Community Board 1 – World Trade Center, visits Occupy Wall Street.



Some personal background on Goodkind, which he shared at the General Assembly:

10:40 PM Looks like organizers are trying to get permission to have a sound system so they will not have to solely rely on “people’s mic” to conduct assemblies in the park.

9:52 PM Our friend Paul Weiskel in Boston with the crew trying to get something going:

9:47 PM Dan Nguyen has many superb photos of the airline pilots protesting on Wall Street this afternoon. Not part of Occupy Wall Street but no doubt their frustrations are in some ways the same as the frustrations of people occupying the park:

9:13 PM “Get Money Out of Politics” campaign launched by Dylan Ratigan (Think “Occupy Wall Street” inspired Ratigan to get this off the ground now instead of later?)
8:30 PM Will Bunch on why Officer Bologna needs to get fired for pepper-spraying protesters: you can die from pepper-spray. In fact, one Philly man died after being pepper-sprayed Friday night.
7:32 PM Cornel West speaks to Occupy Wall Street:
7:23 PM Cornel West speaks — Says this is the US Fall to the Arab Spring and that this is going to hit other cities (if one is following Twitter it is already hitting other cities):



7:20 PM From a few hours ago:

6:45 PM 50 Portraits from Occupy Wall Street from New York Observer
5:31 PM Cornel West speaking to Occupy Wall Street tonight as part of the 7 pm General Assembly. Here is a picture taken just a bit ago:

5:06 PM Change.org petition to Mayor Bloomberg to remove Raymond Kelly from power and jail Officer Anthony Bologna for the pepper-spraying of protesters Saturday. Has 202 signatures right now, could benefit from being pushed out on social media.
5:03 PM Someone with Occupy Wall Street handed the megaphone at the postal workers rally. Representative with occupation says the occupiers wanted to come down and show support because we need our post offices. The postal workers are invited to come down to Liberty Park and share their grievances with the occupiers. That receives a loud cheer. Then they chant, “What’s disgusting? Union busting!” Remarkable scene.
4:53 PM Occupy Wall Street makes it to a postal workers rally to show their support. Rep. Jerrold Nadler is speaking at the postal workers rally. The protesters tried to get close and were blocking the street. Police moved them out of street to other side of road. They are not on the same side of the road as the postal workers. But, postal workers see their solidarity.

4:35 PM Matt Taibbi’s post for Rolling Stone:
I would imagine the end game of any movement against Wall Street corruption is going to involve some very elaborate organization. There are going to have to be consumer and investor boycotts, shareholder revolts, criminal prosecutions, new laws passed, and other moves. But a good first step is making people aware of the battle lines. It sounds like these demonstrations have that potential. Anyway, I’m going to check them out tomorrow. In the meantime, I encourage people to check out their site, and investigate for yourselves.
4:25 PM Short dance party happened in the street. Then, apparently, the white shirted officers said the police officers are to escort the protesters wherever they want to go on the sidewalk. This march is in support of postal workers:

4:05 PM Emptywheel has listed four food places that are willing to deliver to the occupation.
3:17 PM Union/Continental pilots in labor dispute demonstrate on Wall Street. Funny, police don’t flank these guys:

They aren’t occupying Wall Street but a main Occupy Wall Street Twitter account says “solidarity for our pilots.”
2:45 PM The Guardian wants help collecting more details on the pepper-spraying incident. If anybody has video or photos or has an eyewitness account to share, they are encouraged to leave a comment or contact Robert Mackey via email or Twitter.
2:40 PM Late to the party but NYC Councilman Jumaane Williams showed up to the scene. Had media following him around.
2:30 PM Video of Michael Moore’s visit to Occupy Wall Street last night
2:25 PM Susan Sarandon stopped by and gave a speech. She called on occupation to come up with a unifying message.



251 Comments

Kevin – just want to thank you again for all your work over the last 11 days. You’ve been amazing, and have really cemented yourself as a talented and influential blogger here at the lake.
Thanks again, Kevin. And GO Kevin!
I love the smell of blogging success in the afternoon!
Kudos, Kevin!
Thanks. The Nation taught me well.
Pic:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6189761572/
Now, those dudes look respectable. Ha!
HOW COOL!
Getting to be too many to keep up with:
@OccupyTogether now following 76 various @occupy organizations worldwide.
That’s a good problem!
Congratulations, Kevin!
Ha! The Mainstram media folks didn’t even know you weren’t in NY. They should have put you on anyway because you know more about what’s happening than just about anybody on the toobz.
These can be accessed without joining Twitter:
Kevin’s twitter list
OccupyTogether list (re: 9 above)
Wow. This occupywallstreet thingy *is* starting to look mainstream.
Is anyone from FDL there? Want to know if some sort of public cooler or refrigerator is in the park. Hard to talk to main Twitter users at the park since they’re super busy and getting so many tweets.
I don’t *think* they do. I’m sure their “kitchen” has a few ice coolers, tho.
Marching again (NYC):
Edit: this is on live stream – caption: “march to support postal workers”
Here is a useful summary of important terms I found someplace:
—————-
Goal – the ultimate thing you wish to achieve
Objectives – measurable tasks that have to be done in order to achieve the goal
Plans – the ordered sequences of several strategies with a time element, which, when carried out, allow objectives to be reached
Strategies – the arrangement of various tactics (action things) which you do to achieve your plans
Tactics – the specifics of strategies. These are the specific ways and options you do things in order to execute the strategies
—————–
In response to the commentary in the previous blog post, the issue with the media is really one of language and terminology. The movement doesn’t need a specific demand at this point, but perhaps needs some sort of “goal statement.” This can be very broad, such as “Create a society where political & economic power is more broadly distributed.”
I’m sure this is part of what the General Assembly is working on (I’d hope), rather than just writing a list of specific “demands” to present to the media. Specific demands will naturally flow from the concept of the ultimate goal.
PS: I’m not even sure the term “demand” is even really appropriate, as that implies petitioning the existing power structure for something, instead of attempting to find a way to circumvent the existing power structure, as it is the existing power structure itself that is the problem.
Kevin,
Thank you so very much for all the truly excellent work you are doing in covering Occupy Wall Street.
Ice chests, as athena1 says. The power is occasionally disrupted for various lengths of time so refrigerators wouldn’t be practical.
I get a real chuckle when old paternalistic Liberals like Sarandon get up and tell these young leaders how to make Revolution.
Great work Kevin and everyone else, it appears many have become Radicalized by this Movement.
They need to get a setup where they can do interviewing over Skype like RT’s “The Alyona Show” does. Any news show being produced these days should utilize that technology.
Vote for change!
Yeah, we had a real discussion of how she doesn’t get it on the thread before last.
KO does that for markos moulitsas, doesnt he?
I hope that the demonstrators are getting the message that there is strong support for what they are doing and how they are doing it. They need support so that their Movement is not co-opted by political operatives.
I should clarify: I think they wanted a reporter who had been on the scene. So I do not know if they lack Skype capabilities.
Political operatives would tell them to abandon “people’s mic” and the General Assembly process. They aren’t about to do either of those things.
I’m hoping that footage of Susan Sarandon’s speech will be posted to YouTube. So far, as of 3:45 pm CST, there is only some footage shot by someone standing relatively near her as she appears to be interviewed by others. The “dude” signs off by saying, “I’m probably gonna go talk to her about Rocky Horror now”, which I find to be irresponsible considering the time and place.
The facilitators themselves have reservations about the “people’s mic” because the actions of repeating and understanding are hard to carry on simultaneously. But their judgment is that it is more useful to the process than not.
Looks like the postal union has come aboard.
SAVE America’s Postal Service
DemocracyNow.Org did a great job of capturing the issues and lies this morning.
that is great news.
The march seems to be at the nearby post office. Great work.
My wife, who has been worried about the USPS issue being lost in the shuffle, is cheering.
Chant: “What’s disgusting? Union busting!”
pic
From Global Revolution chat:
Change.Org Petition: Mayor Michael Bloomberg: Remove Raymond Kelly, Jail Anthony Bologna
Select below and Vote to Include in the Official Demands of #Occupy Wall Street
I love the “peopel’s mic”, it sounds almost like a religious service, and in a way it is one.
Mystery solved! A recommended post.
and yet another day when I stand in slcak jawed awe of the amzing job that Kevin is doing shaping and telling this important story.
Really really stellar.
Not to be a downer, but the guy in the picture was said by the GlobalRevLive people to be a bit disruptive. Said he starts shouting in Chinese when celebrities are around, as he did this morning with Susan Sarandon.
Yeah, that tweet was kind of misleading, he was AT the occupation in NYC (but from China, apparently).
With celebrities appearing, I expect more opportunists to hang out waiting for their chance to pounce on them, including reporters who could give two shits about the protesters. But I’m sure celebrities are used to dealing with that, especially those living in NYC.
There’s still a language barrier. The immigrant friendly piece has not yet come into place at Liberty Park. They do need translators.
More personal networks please.
If they get the unions more active in the process, not just marching in solidarity, it’ll be a large turning point. I think many people may see the park part of the protest as a commune of out of towners and outcasts, and avoid getting involved, though they’re down with protesting. Hence, I think it’s a good idea to publicize protest days, times, locations well in advance, make them frequent, and it will draw more people in to the democratic process at the park, and they can still go back to the job, classes, date, or home afterward. Just my $0.2.
Farmers Market at #OccupyWallStreet
I saw that earlier. Did they come and set up there in support of #OccupyWallStreet? Awesome if they did. My first thought was that was just a normal thing and wasn’t related.
An earlier tweet and this pic are all I know. It does give some angry farmers a way to get involved. And to provide food options.
Well, Jimbo, the only question is by whose consent.
FWIW
They make fun of you department:
Well, I guess he’s still in the 99% then.
That ought to be put in the “if it’s global warming why are the winters so cold” department. Since I became aware of Dr. West a few years ago, he’s always spoken out on behalf of people less fortunate than himself. The fact that he makes a high salary does not automatically make him one of “them”. If money and resources in our society were distributed equally and fairly, it would eliminate the need to have designations like “us” and “them”.
Unconfirmed
But in the scheme of things, his salary is only in the top 10% not the top 1%. It is about the same as the median salary of physicians, attorneys, and other professionals.
Isn’t 250K the amount that the media were whining about being only middle-class a while back (when Obama wanted to raise their taxes)?
Cornel West deserves it. Professors work hard and contribute positively to society. Celebrity news anchors make far more than that. Anderson Cooper for example, who has yet to cover the protests afaik, makes $4million a year. Then there’s the wealthiest 1% who possess more wealth tan most of the US population combined.
We finally have an article about OWS in the Chattanooga Times. I wish I hadn’t called and badgered them for one.
It was from the NYT News Service and contained such gems as: “…to the NYPD, the protesters represented something else; a visible example of lawlessness akin to that which had resulted in destruction and violence at other anti-capitalist demonstrations, like the Group of 20 economic summit in London in 2009 and the World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle in 1999.
WTF. Where do you even START with this kind of shit???
Slightly OT and FYI:
Dylan Ratigan kicked off the campaign to GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS today.
Ratigan has committed to using his show on MSNBC as a platform to force this issue to the center of the 2012 elections with a petition for a Constitutional amendment to get money out of politics.
Here is the proposed Constitutional amendment:
Sign the petition at http://www.getmoneyout.com , tell friends, Facebook it, Tweet it (#GetMoneyOut) or text SIGN to +191772068 88 to sign the petition.
From the NY Observer slide show of protesters:
I know this must have been discussed before, but it has been hit or miss for me the last couple of days.
I’m beginning to think that it might be beneficial for there to be one or two or three major points that are stressed…
Here is another quote from the article:
Hell, I don’t know. The corporate media are determined to misunderstand and misconstrue whatever message the protest tries to project.
Another from the NY Observer slide show:
Hate to have to say what the NYPD “represents” to me.
Hi, rc. I am pissed and angry. Oh, I guess those are the same thing…
Cheer me up with some WORDS.
I won’t even close my eyes.
Hedges from Wall Street:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/chris-hedges-occupy-wall-street-is-where-the-hope-of-america-lies/
ThD, I’m sorry. You guys have worked so hard for days and days without getting discouraged. I shouldn’t come here and start whining.
From a prior announcement on Global Revolution …
Cornell West in Liberty Park at 7 PM EST.
Tarps up against the rain:
O Canada!!!
LS sounds like it’s being jammed the old fashioned way. Fucking with the wireless connection’s carrier frequency. Emphasis on “sounds like”.
Haven’t read comments, but if it hasn’t been suggested before, you ought to get antiwar activists interested in coming out.
Heya, rc, looks as if the NYPD is revealing itself, SOME members of it in any case, as being essentially lawless and given to gratuitous violence. O’Donnell’s report, if it gets enough attention, hits pretty hard and very true …
DW
JOE the PLUMBER!
crumbs…..gotta go make dinner……
You ain’t seen nuttn’ yet. CIA has their fangs deep inside NYC cops. It was a Scott Horton interview on antiwar.com within the last month or so, but I didn’t save the link.
Cornell West speaking now. Uses the People’s Microphone quite well.
Ugh. Live feed audio has been screwed up since at least 7pm. Tough to watch. Hope someone up a video from their camera.
I wish the audio was working!
Live feed sounds like some political oriented experimental electronic music.
About a decade ago, last time I bothered to show up for a jury summons, it was for Feds. One of the cases I got called for in voir dire was police brutality. I stood up (in my best Italian tailored Wall St suit) and said in open court that I thought police were routinely & gratuitously brutal. Somehow I wasn’t selected for that jury.
I’m kind of surprised that no one’s dissed Kevin for lifting up O’Donnell’s segment. He’s taken a lot of heat from commenters here. I mean that I read alot of criticism of Lawrence. But, then again, there’s a lot of anger about a lot of stuff.
But, pleasantly surprised.
Let’s continue to keep wearing our Good Listening Ears. And, also to focus on what’s important.
He was the one? Here I was thinking it was the talking heads on the networks…thanks.
DW is listening pretty hard to the important things, from what I read in his comments.
But, I’m sure he appreciates your guidance.
Think DW can prolly type for himself.
Yeah, he was all “I’m a plumber with a small business and I make around $250 a year, and you want to take money out of my pocket!”iirc.
I’m hoping West was captured on a separate video stream that can be uploaded to YouTube or broadcast.
From a prior text screen crawl at Global Revolution …
Download Qik.Com to phone stream.
I just criticize when it’s due, give thanks when it’s due. I criticized O’Donnell when he made excuses for Obama during the debt ceiling faux crisis.
I think you are correct. But, you are not the boss of me.
The only part of Cornel West’s talk I could make out was:
The rest was mush because of the sound problem on the LS.
Projection…
OK, that sounds familiar.
OT– From “Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 27, 2011):
“French police round up Roma ahead of vote” (AFP, Sept. 27, 2011)
More tidbits from Cornel West’s talk:
I’m pretty sure Candidate Obama came back with something like “Well,I’m glad you’re doing well. I’m just saying we should, you know, spread the wealth around a lil’ bit.”
Man, I sure did like that Candidate Obama.
That works for me.
Photo of the General Assembly 7:22pm
Yeah, me too. WTF happened to him?
(rhetorical, we all know at FDL)
Yes, I have heard, eCAHN, and hope that many more people learn of the cozy relationship with the CIA …
DW
First decent video not from the live stream up:
@Korgasm_ Dr. Cornell West speaks to the #GeneralAssembly at #LibertyPark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H31XN8zgXlI
Nice chant at the end based on the last few words Cornel West spoke.
Cornell West
I never trusted candidate Obama. I was just hoping for change later on.
Video of Dr West:
(thanks username and Korgasm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H31XN8zgXlI
Without comment
Sorry to be late in my response. I was working on making dinner.
Also, sometimes it’s better if I wait to respond.
I think we should just let it go.
“NYPD Confirms CIA Officer Works at Their HQ” (AntiWar.Com, by Jason Ditz, Aug. 25, 2011)
Thank you– that was great!
Us fleshies must stick together. Was that too suggestive?
Charm offensive
I know an activist that says that a large contingent of agent provocateurs / “anarchists” were used in Seattle to discredit the protest and legitimize police actions.
I was amazed to see the O’Donnell clip. I really think this thing is catching on. Can’t say I am one bit surprised at the NYPD behavior. In fact, it is exactly what I expected. Some things never change.
The caption on that photo says 2,000 people at the GA. Must be New Yorkers coming after work. Good!
The audio is horrible. They’re playing earlier footage now.
Sorry, that’s TarheelDem’s @103
I’m so pleased that Cornell West spoke. I have great respect for him.
You were right. That’s why you couldn’t be allowed on the jury.
Nah, I’m toughening up.
Discuss
I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised by any dirty tricks.
Bullhorns make a nice buttplug. I heard.
OT– From “India, Pakistan keen on more bilateral trade” (TheHindu.Com, Sept. 2011)
Vijay Prashad: The Philosophy behind Occupy Wall Street.
from Counterpunch
Again, only one data point is a huge conversation.
Arun Gupta: The Revolution Begins at Home
h/t Naomi Klein
Is that anything like a revolutionary capitalist?
Oligarchy is nothing but one big dirty trick.
OT– If true, hmmm …
“To Appease Demoralized Soldiers, Panetta And Mullen Attack Pakistan” … “Panetta & Mullen Dodge Angry Demoralized US Soldiers In Afghanistan” (Sept. 23, 2011)
I recently read an account of someone who was at Kent State talking about the agents provocateur there who were throwing plastic baggies filled with urine and feces at the police. It’s an old tactic, but if the protestors stick to their peaceful guns and remain aware of their surroundings, it won’t work this time.
Ha!
Occupy Boston Livestream
We’re hangin’.
Absolutely.
Btw, what are the odds that the National Guard would have opened up on protesters at Harvard, Yale, Princeton,…?
Not sure what you mean by one datapoint is a huge conversation, but this one says a lot:
Right, Bailed out the banks and “financial mandarins” and got nothing in return.
Pilots Question United Continental Merger Issues in Wall Street Protest
International Business Times
No one’s view is more privileged than another just by who pays their salary or what media or blog they appear in. It’s one of the Solidarity Principles (in working draft) of the general assembly at #OccupyWallStreet.
livestream audio is working again.
A blast from the past, lest we forget
Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown
h/t LMCinder LittleMissCinderella
(different pilot pic)
http://twitter.com/#!/StopCorpoBucks/status/118843264026673152/photo/1
LS is in and out. audio & video
But I got a little bit out of the GA:
They said:
We make no demands to glorify our struggle. This is only the beginning
Do you realize how much we’re growing. We realize we are winning. Not like the others when they step on each other. We are emancipating humanity. Laughing…ha ha ha ha people’s mic.
Amendments – calling for people to get on stack
First person:
- Calling for a resolve on the demands; must be coordinated at a federal level or under ga’s on the map
That’s it.
They are publishing meeting minutes and notes on http://nycga.cc/
Marching now.
If there is no push back from the authorities, will Occupy Wall Street fade? .
IMO that’s what they’re counting on. Since force & intimidation failed, they’ll now try to wait it out.
How can they/we keep it vital?
Anybody who tries to give Cornel West any grief better plan on dealing with me.
I think we need to just keep the ideas out there. There was no network coverage tonight (NBC had a couple of minutes on it last night), they will simply try to stifle it. But people have the internet now, so it’s not as easy as it used to be. Support – however you want/can.
Great question.
Can’t decide on the date:
Well, it isn’t long until Oct6.
Hmmm….
The feets have got to have the courage to move.
This is when you get a measure of the ambient noise at the perimeters of the park as a benchmark with everyone in the park silent.
And then you monitor the noise levels compared against that ambient noise – for use as evidence if this ever comes up again.
With all the media equipment there, it should not be that hard to do.
I am intuiting–by listing their demands as a press release just like they did a press kit immediately after the Saturday march.
It’s starting to be a real community. Let’s see how this gets handled. The shiny new object effect is wearing off. The time between now and Monday will see how much internal individual discipline they can muster, how well the process works, and how good the facilitators (who are really good) are over against the pressure that is building up just from fatigue and the rough edges of human beings.
Puerta del Sol Protest Camp (Madrid): Quick guide on group dynamics in peoples assemblies
h/t LiborVonSchonau Libor Von Schönau
Pic
…more
Just added this in the blog. He’s with a Community Board in the World Trade Center district.
…more
Doesn’t it sound like every participatory democracy assembly you’ve ever participated in?
Note: All of the official twitter accounts like this one can be accessed at the OccupyTogether link at 12 above.
Interesting theory
Alain Sherter: Why “Occupy Wall Street” Critics Are More Clueless Than the Protesters
from BNET,the CBS Interactive Business Network
Six hours after I first mentioned her, I see now that Susan Sarandon is trending number one in Yahoo searches. I think that’s awesome. I saw some people criticize Daryll Hannah for protesting against the tar sands, but I castigated them instead because whatever celebrity she and anyone else can lend to a good cause that spreads the word is a good thing.
I was seeing that they had to address the issue of people being sexually harassed. That affirms your suggestion the “shiny new object effect is wearing off.”
Wikipedia: Zucotti Park
Find “n September 2011, the “Occupy Wall Street” protest used Zuccotti Park as a campground and staging area for their actions” and click through.
Indeed.
Another end to another great day. Good night, folks.
Goodnight Tarheel!
Whoever is sending me links to useful studies/data on Twitter, just want to say thanks. I hope I can make it out there soon, acquire a much larger following and that data will be seen by more people. Surprised I have as many as I do now, and I blocked spam bots and unrelated accounts who follow too many ppl. I’ll try to continue tomorrow when I have free time.
I suspect this will be part of his next film then. He said he would not make another until people started doing something and the film would be about that.
I think it’s important for people to detach themselves a bit from time to time. Even in a world run in this manner, which I certainly hope to see, we would not be tied so tightly with a few hundred people in a small space for so long. NYC is a big city, take a day off, have fun, come back. Just a thought.
That’s bringing tears to my eyes.
Just watched the Michael Moore video. WOW. I really puffy heart me some Michael Moore.
1)I don’t blame him!
2)How cool!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuccotti_Park
Page has been updated (not by me) to include a reference to #OccupyWallStreet along with a photo. Bedtime.
Remember the women in Tahrir Square saying they felt safer in the square than in the rest of Cairo? That made a strong impression on me as an indication of the strength of community that had formed.
Because Wikipedia is crowdsourced with strong moderation, the discussions page is a significant index of the political battle to control the framing and the semantic struggle over choices of wording and organization.
It is an important record of the response to #occupywallstreet.
That is a huge throw of support. Very very nice to get that OWS!!!
For a number of tactical as well as ethical reasons, the success of this community in dealing with these incidents will affect the numbers of people that will show up. The issue is both the sexism that remains in society and remains unconfronted.
The Women’s Liberation movement of the 1960s was in part spawned by assignment of roles within the movement of that time and by the joke circulated “What’s the position of women in the movement?” “Prone”. Those attitudes in an unconscious form still are an issue for especially male heterosexual folks in the movement. It’s the burden of having a civil rights movement and a sexuality freedom movement occurring simultaneously. And old social habits are hard to break.
That is the internal issue. There is the external issue as well. And that is a mixture of opportunism (“Look at all the hippie chicks.”) And the use of sexual assault, consciously or unconsciously, as a political weapon.
Being able to deal with both aspects of this issue in the general assembly without spawning a women’s caucus would be a major step forward. Too often in the past women who brought up this issue were shamed and the reaction of the heterosexual men was defensive. The political issue is the unexamined default assumption of heterosexual male privilege with respect to women.
There are parallel default assumption issues with regard to racism and homophobia that have also arisen. It is fifty years past time for working these behavioral issues through. Intellectual assent to opposition to sexism, racism, and homophobia is not enough. Folks have to be able to get their behavior in line with their thinking.
Separate caucuses rarely are a solution because the assumption of privilege is never dealt with among the demographic that has that assumption. This is not to say in any way that all members of the demographic operate with this as a default assumption. But it is to say that it does not get dealt with without serious introspection. The messages of American culture continue to reinforce these notions of privilege.
The external issue is partly a matter of camp security (everyone’s responsibility) and inclusion in the conversations to know who you are dealing with.
NY Daily News opinion:Occupy Wall Street protesters are behaving like a bunch of spoiled brats
Another round of “They make fun of you”.
Daily News article round 2. Nowhere does it mention that the cost of a permit is $4200 to exercise one’s Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of assembly.
Funny that. So if you are a group of unemployed individuals and cannot afford a permit, you have no right to protest or to organize in open spaces.
“..daze of rage…” What? What rage?
It would be important to get the name of the writer. This is from the NY Daily News editorial staff? Sounds like a bit written by the Mayor’s PR office or the NYPD PR office.
I am happy to read that Matt Taibbi is finally going to stop by OWS.
Now to get Charles Ferguson and Audrey Marrs to visit.
Unattributed – no byline
Blame the managing editor
Opening Bell March
Opening Bell March
Day 12 of the morning routine.
UC Berkeley
Statement of Solidarity with September 22 Actions and Arrestees:
UAW 2865, Berkeley Unit
Newyorkist Newyorkist
FM 109 here at Zuccotti Park interviewing park twitpic.com/6rv913
20 minutes ago
Stay off the flowers
Banks got bailed out; we got sold out
h/t Newyorkist Newyorkist
Opening Bell – Wall Street
Wall Street at Williams Street
Does this series mean that #OcccupyWallStreet marchers were able to march in front of the NYSE today? As long as they behaved themselves
NYPD TARU unit filming
TARU = Technical assistance response unit
Apparently a DHS-funded initiative. They were first noted in Wisconsin.
Glenn Greenwald: What’s behind the scorn for the Wall Street protests?
h/t SabzBrach Joanne Michele
Excellent summation.
$4200? Is that right? I can’t believe nobody has successfully challenged that. Outrageous. It’s a big leap from saying, “Money is speech,” to saying, “If you have no money, you can’t have any speech (or free assembly).”
Morning, all.
Calling for a boycott of Burger King (for not allowing protesters to use the restrooms).
Check past liveblog diaries. That report came from one of the Citizens Radio folks I think.
-Glenn Greenwald
Boy, Glenn nails the editorial in the NY Daily News in a way only Glenn is able to do. Great piece by Glenn. Great piece.
I can see the ridicule now. “A bunch of vegans call a boycott of Burger King. Yuk, Yuk, Yuk.”
I vote:
Occupy the London (UK) Stock Exchange
Worldwide is the important bit, IMO. Not that Burger King is international like McD’s or even Dairy Queen, but it *could* hurt.
Actually, come to think of it, I can’t remember ever seeing a Burger King outside the US.
Why they carry Maalox:
In other news, 85% of dKossacks answering a Cheers n Jeers poll about support of #OccupyWallStreet say “Hell Yes”.
Support for this action is broad. And that’s what scares the New York Daily News.
Love @SocEconEquality’s tweets. Great information fortified with meaty links.
And the other 15 percent?
Anyone see this on the live feed?
Edit: you guys are all over this!
Anybody watching LS?
What’s this about?
I’m an LS Junkie!!!
The others: mostly yes and then there are the gypsies, trolls, and thieves.
85% Hell yes (1971 votes)
8% Lean yes (185 votes)
2% Not sure (48 votes)
1% Lean no (40 votes)
2% Hell no (54 votes)
2299 votes (roughly 10% of total users)
They put a a tarp encampment (called it a “fort”) against the rain last night. Cops won’t allow tents.
Previously recorded stuff right at the moment.
What’s happening on LS? I can’t run the twitter machine and LS at the same time…
OK, now we know that 5 percent of DKos users are either clueless or establishment yuk yuks.
If confirmed from Tulsa, dayum.
Mystery of “texting while cuffed” solved??
From aljazeera (good article)
Or trolls. I prefer to look at the 95%. You can find 5% clueless in about any demographic.
Thanks.
Troll, establishment yuk yuks. You say potato I say patahto. Has marcos said anything about #occupywallstreet?
Just called that number, selected the “Community affairs” option, and was told he doesn’t work there and the correct number to call is 646-610-5000.
Sorry just woke up, thought it was a general question. Not exactly at my most lucid.
marcos = one data point
No front page yet. But several recommended diaries at once.
So the store my wife started has been approved by a general consensus of organizers with one change.
1. all products carried now are made in the US. This was the only way to guarantee that sweat shop labor wasn’t being used as we were unable to track the origin of the other products.
100% of the proceeds are going to the General Assembly and Media Team by way of direct personal checks from us. CafePress draws down profits monthly and sends us a check, so we’re going to foot the bill in the meantime.
Check it out, buy stuff. The GA and Media Team are going to start promoting the link later today once the product selection has a final review.
Today’s live blog.
I guess the key question is what kind of influence this 5% has. If none, what does it matter?
…And, I’m not sure that all those officers wanted to cuff those protesters being arrested that day. They aren’t protesting Israel or US imperialism or the war in Iraq or Afghanistan or Guantanamo and torture. They arent’ protesting war criminals like Cheney. They are protesting greed and corruption on Wall Street. I am certain there are a number of police who privately support opposing Wall Street.