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(photo: Global Revolution’s livestream of Occupy Wall Street )The occupiers took off on a march in the evening, as they have done for the duration of the occupation. They had drums and were chanting loudly, “All day, all week Occupy Wall Street.” A dance party was happening in an intersection. Police could have rolled out their orange moving cages to stop the protesters and force them back to Zuccotti Park (renamed Liberty Park by the protesters), where the occupation has been taking place. But, the word came from a commanding officer on the scene that the NYPD was to escort them wherever they wanted to go. The mobile freedom cages were rolled back up.
Naturally, they went to go show solidarity with the postal workers union holding a rally to protest impending layoffs and cutbacks to the postal service. Loud cheers erupted when Occupy Wall Street marchers showed up to the rally. Someone with Occupy Wall Street was even given the opportunity to speak. The representative with the occupation said over a megaphone the occupiers wanted to come down and show support because America needs its post offices. The representative invited postal workers to come down to Liberty Park and share their grievances with the occupiers. That received another loud cheer. Then they chanted together, “What’s disgusting? Union busting!”
For those committed to criticism of Occupy Wall Street, this must have been disappointing because these “hippies” most definitely do not appear to be out-of-touch with Main Street.
Firedoglake’s premier blog on Occupy Wall Street continues. Again, let me thank all in the comments thread constantly posting updates and making this blog not just a location for the latest news on Occupy Wall Street but also a virtual community for discussing what Occupy Wall Street is trying to accomplish.
Here is a list to follow on Twitter for the latest (created on Day One and now has over one hundred followers).
LIVE STREAM OF OCCUPY WALL STREET VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
11:30 PM
11:00 PM Didn’t cover earlier so let me report—Hip hop mogul Russell Simmons visited Occupy Wall Street today. Here’s an article where he is asking for his taxes to be raised.
10:47 PM Matt Taibbi on “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” — here. Also, Olbermann didn’t just do one segment. He did two. Led the show with Arun Venugopal of WNYC, a local radio station, who has been covering the story.
10:40 PM Michael Moore on “The Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell — Part 1 / Part 2 Also did segment on Officer Bologna. This is astounding—about half of the show was Occupy Wall Street. Needless to say, I cannot group O’Donnell in with the group I am critiquing.
8:53 PM Video of my appearance on “The Alyona Show”
8:52 PM Police ordered to arrest all people participating in Occupy Phoenix after 6 pm local time.
8:46 PM Michael Moore on Lawrence O’Donnell live from Occupy Wall Street
8:40 PM Media team maybe arrested. There’s a rumor. Not sure how that is a rumor. The tarps apparently caused a problem when it rained. The live stream says they were arrested. I don’t know why there isn’t more concrete reporting on this if it happened.
6:23 PM Just finished doing TV. Now, to get down to Occupy Chicago and say, “Hello,” to the fine Americans protesting in front of the Federal Reserve bank since last Friday.
4:45 PM On RT’s “The Alyona Show” – Watch me here. They’re opening the show tonight with what I have to say on Occupy Wall Street.
4:40 PM Ryan Devereaux, who has been doing coverage for Democracy Now!, at the evening march:
3:55 PM Will be on RT’s “The Alyona Show” at 6 pm ET. I somehow missed this but Jane Hamsher was on RT to talk about Occupy Wall Street earlier:
You’ll be able to watch me at 6 pm ET here.
3:53 PM Second instance of macing caught on video from Saturday. Officer Bologna involved:
1:44 PM Perhaps this helps you understand the kind of support Occupy Wall Street has achieved and earned:
12:57 PM Glenn Greenwald of Salon writes about why there is so much scorn for those protesting. He uses an FDL Dissenter post I wrote yesterday, “Why Establishment Media & the Power Elite Loathe Occupy Wall Street,” as a focal point in his analysis. What he does that I didn’t do is go on to talk about how Americans not only face demonization by politicians or the press but also face laws and policies that effectively criminalize and deter people from protesting.
12:54 PM
This is why power is trembling. The walls of the silos are eroding. People who have their pet issue are joining up with others who have their pet issue. The grievances against the ruling elite in America are being combined and connections are being made that lead to groups that would normally not protest together protesting together. Case in point: last Thursday’s Troy Davis march converging with Occupy Wall Street.
12:45 PM Brookfield Properties, which owns Zuccotti Park, may be tired of Occupy Wall Street and want it gone now. @SabzBrach reports (h/t to MayDaze for catching):
The part about not getting NYPD involved is important. The NYPD has let the occupiers stay. They have talked to Brookfield Properties and convinced the owner not to “evict” the occupation. Brookfield Properties should think about if it really wants to be vilified for kicking this movement out. Brookfield Properties should also consider whether it is losing business? I think Brookfield actually can profit off these people being there. Do vendors have to get permits to be in the park? If so, it seems they could be profiting.
11:47 PM Keeping the fat cats safe from masked marauders:
11:45 PM Lawrence O’Donnell to have Michael Moore on his show tonight, live from Occupy Wall Street
11:27 PM Peaceful march this morning – a little over a hundred participate
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Kevin,
Thank you for your constant watch and excellent coverage.
One of the things that I find about this group that stands out is how they have created their own little Hamlet within that Park. They are actively showing communities how to come together and do what is best for their particular situation.
Think about it. They have a library, media station, First Aid/Medic area, food, laundry, waste management/trash, and every entity of modern life. They didn’t need a top down government or agency to tell them. They have formed a true Democratic process with the General Assembly and the Stack system so that anyone that wishes to speak or give ideas may do so. It is a real shared democratic living community. They didn’t need no stinkin politician or Bank investment to do it either!
Take note Congress. You are too far behind in real world application to be relevant!
Great Democracy Now segment this morning with Michael Moore.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/9/28/something_has_started_michael_moore_on
Quite powerful, at least to me.
He said yesterday that he’ll be returning today to film. Also expect Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone.
Edit: Brookfield owns Zuccotti Park (aka Liberty Park).
It’s essentially taking the anarchist “infoshop” into the protest and putting it out there for the world to see. Until this, the infoshops were just…shops and only those who knew what they were about really made an effort to be involved. The goal of all infoshops has been to be inclusive, have the whole community involved, share resources, help each other, teach each other, make decisions as a group, but it’s easy to be ignored when you’re closed in by walls. Add to that when the A word is associated with something, everyone thinks extremism on the left-right scale, people breaking windows, when it’s really always been about true democracy, which we’re seeing in Liberty Park and the other Occupy groups popping up, using the same consensus model. The anti-globalization protests were an attempt to organize in a non-hierarchical manner, but without widespread use of the Internet, it was more a hybrid of the traditional top-down and consensus. There was a main organizing body who most people couldn’t be involved with, except those in the city the protest was happening in, who decided before the protest started how it would all unfold, when it would start and end, but they would still have open meetings to make adjustments and get those from outside of the core group plugged into the process.
Deetails?
I think one can get too romantic (in the 1848 sense) about the idea that there is no leadership. There is leadership that is focused on preserving the process of decision-making. I don’t know how #OccupyWallStreet is organized beyond the fact that they have facilitators for the general assembly and that the general assembly commissions teams to do stuff.
The Puerta del Sol Protest Camp (Madrid) identifies a number of roles on the group dynamics team. (I can’t find the link at the moment.) If this is a model process, it depends on the honesty and integrity of the group dynamics team not to push their own agendas on the general assembly. It is going to be difficult for that model to scale up successfully because of that assumption of honesty and integrity in the group dynamics team. Somewhere, sometime a person or group of people will hijack that team. Just dealing with human beings has moral hazard.
But the fact that the shine of the idea has not quite worn off provides the opportunity to discuss how to deal with these sort of contingencies.
The second issue is participation. Not everyone at Liberty Plaza Park is participating in the general assembly, even on a part time basis. Nonparticipation in a democratic system is blank check consent. If that consent is not self-conscious, events can produce a reaction of “I didn’t consent to that.”
Neither of these is totally solvable. But they can be solved well enough to maintain the process so that it allows the general assembly to resolve conflicts and remain democratic.
We Are The 99 Percenters.
Wikipedia:
Thanks for this update. This could have serious implications.
I want to again thank FDL/Dissenter and everyone else for their great coverage of this historic event.
I may have missed it but why haven’t we heard anything from Jane Hamsher on this uprising?
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The fact that it’s getting all this coverage on FDL says a lot. JMO.
Provacateurs?
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I understand what you are saying. I did not mean that the group is leaderless so to speak. What I mean is that they have stepped up and created a democratic system and those with the true talents have offered their services to the group. If the group does not approve then those people can be replaced easily.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be vague.
Exactly what I was thinking…
This is Jane’s site. She makes it live and runs the place daily. She has so much work to do she cannot possibly sit here and comment.
No prob. Guess I have hidden desire to be sports “color commentator”. LOL
I don’t know. Maybe she has nothing to say. Maybe this blog and its coverage is pretty much along the lines of what she would write so she is focused on other stories.
WONDERFUL!
One demand is an open wound for the media and those that wish to spoil to spear a dagger into.
Well then, you have been an excellent commentator on the live blog.
CNN just had a piece that was really quite fair. The protesters they talked to were intelligent and well spoken. Even the market reporter wasn’t to much of an ass about them. Who’d a thunk you could see such a thing.
Plus, her writing on the front page does not make it more privileged than Kevin’s diaries. I’m not picking on Jane. I am challenging the idea of assigning privilege to reporters; it’s a sort of halo effect. I just made the same point earlier about a criticism of Markos not frontpaging this event.
As I understand it, the “one demand” thing was from AdBusters and was never the decision of the participants. Good that they finally abandoned it.
I don’t mean to be critical, just wondering what Jane might have to say about the occupation.
True. Than again, she has front paged this Live Blog once a day. It’s not like she is not supportive which is what I gathered from WOW’s comment.
Americans For Prosperity is running internet ads for something happening on 10/4(sorry for the vagueness, but my computer, my mouse, or me just refuses to click on it.) If this belt tightening event is a protest it will give the media a chance to compare and contrast. Anyone taking bets which event will be called a smashing success?
Easy. The Rove/Koch/Norquist groups.
Re: donations mentioned above
The NYPD does not appear to have a number to demand that Bologna resign or be fired-just got off the phone with them.
“black bloc” doesn’t mean they intend to be destructive, but it’s an easy group for police saboteurs to exploit. Many are afraid of surveillance and that is the common motivation for dressing that way and staying near others dressed similarly, more than provoking riots, at least in the US.
I believe at this point, you’re safer dressing normal and staying low key if you don’t want extra surveillance. Many people just drop by and are curious tourists or locals. Dressing out of place, seeming Very Important, will result on the spotlight being shined on you. Also, the worst is being arrested and no amount of disguising will prevent your personal information from being recorded at that point. Better to seem an average Joe/Jane than someone who may be up to no good, even if you weren’t.
I’m curious about that as well.
What’s going with the Occupy Wall St protest is true anarchism. Amazing.
Yup, Adbusters’ mistake, but they helped spark this.
It was a good goad to move the demand-setting process along.
It exposed a media that was insensitive to irony as well.
The got their one demand–physical and political space to develop their demands. So call it a result. Now to the next demands.
I have so much respect for Jane, I’d like to hear her validate my enthusiasm. But can understand that she may not choose to for institutional reasons.
CNN TV or website? What time? I’ll look for a Youtube of it later if TV.
Uh, the one with the smaller number of protesters?
Agree.
Most popular on msnbc.com
‘Voting is worthless’? Global protests share contempt for … with: data photos video 225K
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44697094/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/t/voting-worthless-global-protests-share-contempt-democracy/
(The wording of the article title is BAD (it’s from the NYT, and we know THEY don’t get it as they are a paper of the 1% and 1% wanna-bees), but it is at least an attempt to put the whole recent global protest movement into some sort of perspective.)
I bet Balogna gets reprimanded for macing one of his cops.
Haven’t read all the coverage, so this suggestion may be redundant, but has anyone reached out to the antiwar community to join?
What do you mean by institutional reasons?
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And, btw, you are all on a front page story as we type.
What kind of mic do they need at OWS so the wind doesn’t effect the sound?
We need a Norquistlike litmus test for “our” politicians; NO money from Banksters.
Yeah, “fuck the protesters…”
I think you could ask her on the 6 of Oct in DC.
One would put a wind sock or screen on the mic. Could be foam.
(That’s according to the musician/sound person in the family.)
The working class and the employing class have nothing in common.
Go Postal Workers. Go OccupyWallStreet.
Seems like a pretty simple solution. I wish they would try it. Maybe someone could send them one. Or are they using a computer for the sound and video?
On 11-6 , like in a week, in DC they will merge probably.
It’s like watching a large pot begin to boil , a bubble here, a bubble there……..
That’s the truth! Just look at the GOP debates. It’s a Jerry Springer show of clowns. The hate is oozing out of the audience when it’s not being spewed on stage!
It’s that devil in the details thing. One of the reasons the US had problems at the Bay of Pigs, I heard once from a geography teacher in college, was that they didn’t look at a topographica map of where they were going to land.
Many of them will be in DeeCee on the 6th. There are also local rallies taking place for those who can’t go to DeeCee. St Pete for Peace has joined a coalition here for just that purpose.
oh good, something i know about.
it’s called a blimp and can be fashioned from lightweight foam to cover the shotgun mike to eliminate the wind. if any of the supplies have packing foam just jury rig it around the mike.
Hi and good vibrations to all pups everywhere.
Excellent Idea!
Heh. Just flipped onto cnbc. John Paulson (Greatest Trade Ever) is having his worst year evah.
Some problems creeping up though, perhaps due to what I said before with a core of 100-300 people being confined to a small area for so long, with a lot of stress, difficult weather, sleeping outdoors on concrete, etc.
Also, consensus facilitators likely have no or little experience dealing with crowds this large with so many different viewpoints and backgrounds. It’s a work in progress.
Just noticed Ghostpickles say that the GA does not represent everyone. Not everyone agrees with it.
She has achieved mainstream status. She may feel that’s too valuable to risk. She may be right if that’s her thinking. Having her on TV regularly is very important. We can probably safely assume that OWS tickles her.
John Paulson: Redemptions before redemption
Hope sometweets that advice to them.
Ah, the power of technology. Mary Mc could save the day. Again.
Ha! Thanks for sharing that. Made me smile.
Appears some were saying the sites (see 48 above) were not legit because they were not “authorized” by the GA.
It’s interesting how the Occpation, and the reaction to it, is progressing.
First the NYPD try to Kettle the demonstrators with nets then the pundits from all sides try to Kettle the demonstrators with demands for “approprate demands”
Thank dog it ain’t working.
Not to argue with you, but, do you know of any msm talking heads who have not only risked getting arrested, but who have actually gone to jail for their beliefs?
I can picture Jane working on a full on assault on the Villagers sometime during the enlightenment in DeeCee next month.
I’ve notice some of the frequent Tweeters there appearing kind of grumpy about some things (like which sites are or are not legit for donating), which is why I think they need a day off at least and they’ll have to work these things out.
Should try to avoid airing their personal frustration with specific things on the Internet because it’s similar to talking behind someone’s back and could stir up unnecessary tension and division.
Absolutely! They always seem to miss the points that the protesters say continuously, “We are doing this for YOU”, “Come out and join us”.
No data on cnbc since hedge funds don’t tell nuttin’ to no one. However, the guest who guessed (heh) on redemptions threw out a figure of $100 million which would be small compared to his $29 billion portfolio. There’s a link at your link with a similar figure in it.
When rumors like this start, it often turns out very differently from what the first rumors report.
We’ll see.
Jane discussing Occupy Wall Street on the Alyona show a couple of days ago.
http://rt.com/programs/alyona-show/global-economy-collapse-banks/
Her segment starts at 5 minutes.
Ego and territoriality rearing their ugly heads. No need for this, we all want the same things (essentially).
aw shucks….
It was on the TV, I’ve been keeping it on with no sound, while I watch the LS. MSNBC had nothing I’ve seen yet, but they did have Rahm on for like 15 minutes. I don’t know for sure what he was talking about, it looked like a glowing interview on what a great job he is doing screwing the Teachers’ Union. My TV wouldn’t have survived my wrath if I had to not only watch but listen to that POS. I just can’t help but put him and Karl Rove in the same hot fiery part of my brain.
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AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Kevin Gosztola:
Your liveblog of Occupy Wall Street is a courageous act of citizenship that will prove to be major factor in growing our very own “Cairo movement”…you have earned a Norske Medal of Citizenship with oakleaf cluster.
I don’t know if you have thought about how far and where your efforts reach. My daughter who just presented her Master’s thesis proposal this AM, discovered the Wall Street occupation through your posts here and now has a connection to larger social efforts that reinforce the work and research she is doin’. Indeed, this connection provides a larger context for the work she does with people in need and sharpens the focus for her efforts in her academic work.
So much gratitude from a proud father and veteran of the continuing Wisconsin Resistance…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE STRUGGLE IS ALL WE HAVE!!
re: 78 above
I like the idea that honesty and integrity have become integral again because we don’t have that now. I would also suggest that we don’t need scaling up; rather we need massive decentralization (think distributed computing models) and far greater distribution of skin-in-the-game, decision making among as many ordinary people involved with the realities of the human condition as possible. Our failure to do so previously has enabled an organism that poses as “our Government” which has become the world’s value-added reseller of GMO, nuclear disaster, land mines, bunker-busters and drones (the short non-exhausted list).
“How Unaccountable Private Contractors Pocket Your Tax Dollars Militarizing the Texas Border” (AlterNet.Org, Sept. 27, 2011)
No, and I don’t see how that is arguing with me.
Anyone surprised?
The participation issue I pointed out above, plus silent passive-aggressives. A common facilitation problem. Facilitation is not an easy job under the best circumstances. I can imagine how much more difficult it is when you don’t have a captive audience expected to perform (the usual corporate facilitation situation).
Cool, I’ll pack some to give to the LS guys in Portland.
I’m sure you’re right about that. And maybe that’s the most important thing for her to be doing right now. Critical mass and all that.
OccupyBoston makes the Guardian.
Global horizontal networking is scaling up and is subject to communications network effects. Any sort of global networking of autonomous organizations and individuals (well maybe autonomous is the wrong word) involves some sort of communication nodes or another. Those nodes attract preferential communication. That is a problem we need to be aware of if we are to deal with global issues like climate change or labor standards.
I guess there is an underlying story. You know, the one where on the police understand what is really going on and how those maced women were a huge threat to global civilization and THEY HAD TO BE STOPPED! Plus, the cop that maced them needed to release his frustration and anxiety about the total lack of appropriate sublication to the police force by said maced women.
What a crock.
The Guardian is the the new and improved HuffPo (what a den of thieves that site has become – AOL has always blown dead goats).
Citizen SouthernDragon:
Namaste Brother Dragonman…I’m convinced that the bloodletting in the financial markets will be subsidized politically until the entire economy of the western world collapses. I been sayin’ for over two years now that not enough plutocrats and banksters were found on the pavement in 2009. If we had strategically targeted the biggest players to go under (includin’ Goldman) politically we woulda had more’n a hundred days to advance a real new New Deal. As it is we wait for the slow hemorrhage of capital out of the system now that the value of labor has been completely removed from the currency.
Hot shit!!
Well, I ain’t goin’ anywhere so I can wait. Slower than a femoral bleedout but just as effective.
Re: 48 and 67 above
Just trying to be cautious and nice is all. No reflection on you btw.
I will say this: The protests are having greater effect than I imagined they would, and yes, Kevin is doing great work.
Kevin – This is so awesome. Thank you. And, thanks to all participating, here and there.
We are not cheeto eating, pj wearing spoiled brats.
Thanks. Just watched the video and Jane was great, clearly in support. BUT, somebody has got to tell her never to wear those frog glasses on TV again lol. She looks like an aging hippie with frog eyes. Jane, my love, lose the glasses and let your beauty shine through. It couldn’t hurt.
I’m trying to find the article for you in order to back up my claim here.
I read a week ago that there are some intellectuals that are working together to create another (new) internet because of the threats of censorship and government intrusion to the open source and freedom of the current internet. If you need the link in order to take my comment as a truthful, I will leave and go on the search.
Yes and thank you for that good point.
is the usps delivering the parcels?
Owned by Time Warner, run by a right winger.
No worries, luv lol.
Think it was yesterday, but I didn’t save the link either.
I’m so cynical & jaded, the thought crossed my mind that was a USG planted story to get us all excited & switching over once the new system becomes available and all the traffic goes into NSA.
I was just at the IWW website and found that home-makers are eligible to join. I guess I qualify.
I had a comment about the glasses all ready but didn’t have the balls to post it, but you’re right, those glasses are fugly.
My first thoughts as well, Friend. Yes they were. However, on second thought I don’t think I will share the link. Just in case it is the real thing we don’t want it to be sabotaged from this site.
Actually, there are approaches and systems that are used for large groups. Been around for years. All practitioners are likely aware.
And if that’s not enough, these appraoches are clearly being used in Israel, Greece, and Spain. Probably more than that.
Not sure if this is from GA or where. Edit: apparently is.
You too can tell a bankster that you’re a Wobbly and watch the blood drain from his/her face. *g*
That thought warms the very cockles of my hard little heart. *g*
Back to work.
Namaste
Never. Give. Up.
Heh, I’m not willing, even for a moment, to believe I’m ballsier than you, SD. Just sayin’”
Free Market, huh.
Heh. She said, “cockles.”
The limbo police. How low can they go? Ans: How low can you hold the broomstick?
Cool:
I had a feeling I would be hearing something from you about that…. *g*
Hey, rc.
Divisions already.
“Free market,” maybe. Free society? Not so much.
SabzBrach Joanne Michele
Sanitation reported that some Wall St employees thanked us for cleaning, said #LibertyPlaza is cleaner than before.
I can tell you about what’s happening here later during a lull. (short version: more ego BS)
Hey yourself. You know there are things I just can’t resist, you charming little fleshie lol.
The hardest part of creating a new internet is the tubez themselves. It is expensive to install fiber optic cable or a cellular mesh. It’s the hardware. Beyond that, there are any number of open source software projects that could be combined (the more interoperable the better) to create an independent internet.
Good idea:
If it’s a single system through all of the communication stack, you are not being cynical. Multiple open-source interoperable systems are the friends of free speech.
I think any dialogue with the police should include a quick pithy education about pensions, a copy of the DVD “The Other Guys” with instructions to watch the end credits closely.
I also suggest that any Occupy organization dialogue with police union representatives. Educate them.
I have to share that I’m a bit disappointed in the criticism of Jane’s Glasses. Way to be Deep, guys.
But, also, big thanks to tuezday for the alyona show link. The show is now on my radar.
Don’t ever change, rc. Or you’ll be hearin’ from me. *g*
I’ll check back later.
Due to 1%ers’ scream sessions going on behind closed doors as to why this thing isn’t shut down already.
Something about individual clouds, whatever clouds are.
hey Norske,
I was wondering how this was going to be addressed in the college classroom. I’m hoping my dd’s mass comm class will be addressing. I’m certainly going to encourage her (a mere UG) to follow it if she isn’t already.
Hey demi, I watched that clip, too. I had not seen it before.
lol Yes, of course!
I think they are too arrogant to scream. truly. When they get upset, they sue.
#braindeadmedia
I’ve never seen Jane do (or not do) anything for “institutional reasons.” I mean, she went of FOX to side with the tea partiers opposing the ACA! Talk about “screw the institutions!” guts!
I think she just knows that Kevin has this covered 150%. She’s needed elsewhere.
Ugh. Too true.
Did you see those things? Sorry, but they do nothing for Jane. She may love ‘em to death but they don’t look good on her imo.
Perception of the audience counts for a lot. And I believe you know that. It’s more important to use the medium effectively than to be politically correct among friends, IMO.
I saw some 1%ers drinking vino on a balcony above the demonstrators very early on. Creeped me out.
Thanks for that link. I just read every listing. Very moving.
If you all had three demands (wishes), what would they be?
here are mine (subject to change, not in any order of preference):
1. Reinstate Glass Steagall
2. Defund the three wars & cut defense contracts by at least 50% and oh I don’t know, use that money to fund a JOBS program!!!
3. All US congresspeople who have served more than X years (undecided) to retire ASAP. Call special elections to replace.
(4. Leave SS alone.)
OK that’s just a stab at it. what would yours be?
And griping and ego conflicts and ….yes, indeed it is functioning enough to be beyond the illusion of easy change stage. Now, holding it together will be a test of individual collective leadership. At what point does volunteering for the kitchen, or medical, or environmental/sanitation teams become a drag? You can’t change 20, 30, 40, 50,…96 years of experiences and expectations in twelve days. Internal cohesion is going to be as important as responding to external pressure from here on out.
What it lacks is a charter from the state and police powers. And that’s the point, isn’t it?
No, they get their well-connected friends to help them out, behind the scenes, of course.
I saw that too. They thought they were oh so cool. Assholes.
Maybe so. Wouldn’t be about guts in any event, just tactics. I have absolute faith in her judgment about such things.
CNBC had a video clip of the arrests about 2 hours ago. No comments, just reported it for about 15 seconds.
Yes, I did see them. I have serveral responses to your comment which may not be appropriate to the seriousness of this thread. We can talk about it later maybe.
I’d add Repeal the Patriot Act and do away with Homeland Security. The Gestapo under any other name is still the Gestapo.
Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree cuz there ain’t no way you can convince me those things aren’t fugly.
Hi SD, crap. Patriot Act was on my list…where did it go!? thanks. Definitely definitely on the list.
I’ve been astounded to see how many regular people I know just have an instinctively negative reaction to anything called a protest or demonstration. As though they thought THEY were the owners.
The GestapoHomeland Security saw it and deleted it.Most of them have become comfortable and intellectually lazy.
I’m trying to formulate something, but it is taking me too long.
Sorry, demi, I’m standing my ground on this as well. Believe me, it’s not about male chauvinism.
Socio-psychopaths are like that.
The cloud is the part of the internet you can’t control. Cloud computing is when someone else hosts the applications on the internet; best example is Gmail, Picasa, GoogleDocs. Instead of you owning that applications running on your computer.
So what would individual clouds be? A set of applications on the internet that you can pick and choose from multiple sources (vendors or open-source communities) with a common interface. It sounds like marketing-speak leveraging off the cloud computing campaign to move corporations from data centers to cloud data service providers. Without the specifics, it is hard to tell if there is there there.
LOL!!
good one.
I am nervous to say it, but I don’t think we should discount these people entirely. They are ignorant, in many cases willfully, but many of them share our concerns.
And good little rule-followers.
I guess the male equivalent would be wearing a bad tie, but I don’t blame demi for being sensitive about it since the “media” have so far been a bunch of fashion critics. Anyway, I agree with your point about media savvy (I think that’s your point).
Or not pissed off enough yet.
A handy check list courtesy of CCRJustice.org.
You’ve always had more kindness in your heart than I do. I tend to view it as “good people doing nothing.” Really, to reflexively identify with the system at this point really takes some serious ostrich genes.
When we are so deeply involved in this protest, and have read and discussed the depth of the problems that the unfettered and unrestrained greed of the banks, corporations and the 1%ers have caused, they don’t understand how those things are impacting them now and will crash down on them in the future.
I’m not doing a good job with this, I’m afraid.
I agree. Many people live good lives, follow rules, want to live a good life and actually buy into the fact that community means living by a set of rules that the community agrees on. This is basic. It’s really unnerving to people to throw off the normal means of living with their neighbors. Even the OWS has basic agreements eg no leaders, this is how we’re going to operate type rules.
That’s why a clear message is very important. And nonviolence.
re: Twitter suppressing trending #OccupyWallStreet
Thank you very much sir and good luck to your daughter.
To the Wisconsin Resistance!
My demands? in no particular order.
(good exercise!):
Single-Payer (and/or Medicare for All)
Don’t touch Social Security
De-fund the wars and put the $ toward Jobs
Strict limit on Campaign Contributions from any
one individual or corporation
Wildlife and Environmental Protection
Enforce Rule of Law for Banksters
and other White Collar Criminals
oh, and Prosecute War Criminals!
Yes, that’s my point. Why be on TV at all, except to make a good impression in every way possible? The audience is full of stereotype-thinkers. We know that. There’s no way anybody here should be worried that I want to keep women down. I don’t know about SD . . .lol.
They are afraid. They see what is happening around them, forclosures, job loss, teachers being laid off. They know that it can happen to them. They just haven’t made the connection yet that unless we all stand together on this, we are going down together.
I don’t know how to make that outreach, but we must.
Thank you. I checked it out. I agree with all of those. Are those game changers, though? I mean, I DO want to take care of those things. It seems like the basic concept is corruption. How do we get at the core of corruption in order to restore meaningful representation to achieve that link’s list?
Just discussing, not arguing…
Yes!
x2!
I think they are lacking in a sense of belonging to the larger community. Family community, ok. Local community, ok. Not willing to go beyond that or feel any responsibility to go beyond that. The people I’m talking about have refused to be aware of anything for years, and get annoyed with me if I even raise any of the issues we are so concerned about here.
Airedales rule! And all terriers
From Global Revolution …
Individual threatening General Assembly being identified and reported to NYPD. Check of the People’s Microphone.
OT– “N.Korea justifies hereditary leadership” (NHK, Sept. 28, 2011)
And they indeed may choose to go behind the wall and stay there, but some can be salvaged. It may take worse times.
I think they are vulnerable with SS and MM. That’s the chink in the armour.
When asked why they are there and what their purpose is, all they need to say is “because they are stealing our future.”
I totally agree with this. Of course there are going to be “late adopters”. It’s our responsibility to bring them along and wean them off MSM.
Yeah, I know. I’m letting my emotions get away again.
Well, we know from history that in any revolutionary era there are many such people.
Maybe use “volunteer labor” for installation???? Maybe use those “hiring incentives” to hire the unemployed???? Maybe use donations to purchase equipment, etc. Maybe just lame suggestions from me????
Hi Twain.
I read some msm article about the Indian protests and every quote I read could be applied to the 99% in the US.
“The government no longer represents us”
“They have forgotten about us”
etc.
Occupy Alabama
h/t xo99percent
Occupy Birmingham is already doing prep.
Up with terriers!!!
I’m glad to meet you, dosido. I don’t think I’ve been on any threads with you.
You too, really?? !!
This.
Most of the ones I’m referencing are pretty comfortable in what seem like safe little bubbles.
That’s good. Maybe,”They have already stolen our treasure and they are stealing our future.”
OK, armchair psychologist here.
Majority of people are “SJ” on Myers/Briggs thingie, which means they are likely to protect existing institutions. That’s my theory, by dangy.
I speak as a person raised in a full-throated Republican household.
And they are. They really are.
But like here, when we argue a point, we then provide links. And the links are what will hook ‘em.
I have a pit bull rescue dog. He’s fabulous.
I hate to leave, but I have to.
Thank you all for what you are doing.
ohmmm
Howdy do, OmAli. I’ve been reading FDL since the libby trials brought me over. Was on a hiatus due to my computer dying and relying on access to the one in the kids’ room. Was lurking for some long months.
I kinda do drive-bys now and then. I’m so jacked about about OWS, though, I couldn’t sleep all night, last night. And now I’m off to my high reward, low pay job.
thanks for the greeting.
Let’s talk dogs soon. I’m so glad you have a rescue. gotta go, bye.
In the media savvy vein the glare from the glasses prevented the viewer from seeing Jane’s eyes, which are highly focused when she’s in front of a camera, you can see her fervor. All you could see in that clip was the glasses.
I’m glad I saw that as I was going out.
Libby and OWS. Man, some powerful stuff. Brought to us by FDL.
love you guys,
ohmmm
ditto. tty’alll
I’ll agree, as a person with a double major in psychology.
Doesn’t make it any less discouraging, though.;-(
Later, my dear. BTW, dosido has been around forever, and he/she is definitely one of the very good guys.
Well, I’m gonna have to go with rc and SD on the glasses.
Now, I know I’m not the best when it comes to tact and diplomacy, ‘though they’re growin’ on me, I hope … and demi, my sense is that the glasses detract from Jane’s superb good looks, frankly, making her look older … and my experience with beautiful, intelligent women, and you’ll note that “intelligent” is the main word, suggests that such women actually appreciate men who dare to be honest. I reckon you know what I’m talking aboot?
;~DW
We’re ingrained from our media, school, and politicians to view protests as 1) something people in countries less great than the US have to do because their country is so bad, and 2) something a subculture of naive young people put together to make themselves feel better before they understand the Real World, “get a job,” and fall in line, discussing politics in terms of two parties and elections.
I’m taking off too. Have a meeting in an hour.
And, just to be clear, I said I was disappointed. Didn’t do any name calling. Didn’t say hate you forever. Not going to sue anyone for a shallow comment. Just a bit disappointed. That’all.
Who knows what the situation was? Maybe they called her because someone else cancelled and could she do an interview in 5 minutes. What I’m saying is it wasn’t the important part of her message or the important part of this thread. K?
Awesome idea.
!!!!! I better run before I’m late or before I say something I’ll regret.
Having a nice Twitter battle right now. Wonder how long I should engage Mr. Osborne.
LOL. Another old (yet enlightened) male dinosaur heard from. Comment ca va, DW?
Having looked at the pic of the big pile of donations, I finally broke down and sent them some books for the peoples’ library. In the long-run, it is IDEAS that have to be spread and MINDS that have to be changed.
(What like I was gonna send my money to the DNC pleading for money before the quarterly fund-raising deadline… this I judge is a better investment in my future.)
Yeppers.
We’re cool.
Saw that. Didn’t post a comment here because I didn’t want to link to his site.
Until it stops being amusing?
“In response to realitychecker @ 198 (show text)
Let’s talk dogs soon. I’m so glad you have a rescue. gotta go, bye.”
Up with rescue dogs and rescuers!
Not lame suggestions at all. But the hardware problem is huge if you want to escape the likes of Verizon and ATT. Think about all of the miles of fiber optic cable, All of the repeater stations. The microwave towers and equipment. All of the central office switching and routing equipment for each neighborhood exchange.
Switch to a wireless mesh, and the individual equipment is not expensive (in the scheme of computer equipment), but the number of wireless routers to get connection, not to mention coverage is immense.
The easiest way is to nationalize telecommunications–but in the current security environment, would you want that?
The issue is not privacy (absolute transparency as a tactic can deal with that) but the possibility of denial of service, like was experienced early Monday morning with the livestream.
I’ve had four really fabulous, albeit scary-looking, ones. All angels. Nothing more loyal than a rescue dog
.
Looks like live stream trying to go, too.
I don’t celebrate the suffering that typically accompanies the bubble popping.
OT– “Sarkozy: Time to reveal the secrets of Karachi”
“Bolivia: Stop the Amazon Highway”
“Stand with Aung San Suu Kyi“
What happened to the livestream? Has LiveStream shut it down?
Chanting:
It was a glitch. Livestream showed a site not found message when I clicked on the livestream.
It’s on for me.
I don’t celebrate any living thing being in pain, except maybe some really, really extra-evil humans who should know better. Hope I didn’t say anything to give you a contrary impression.
NYPD are almost one-on-one with the protesters in the march.
Cool:
It is for me now. Well nothing’s streaming from the march.
Seems to think it is censorship if I challenge him on what he said or draw conclusions about what he is arguing.
That’s dumb.
lol.
“The ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Protesters, in Their Own Words” (Good, photos, Sept. 26, 2011)
“The Most Important Chart About the Patriot Act You’ll See” (Good, Sept. 7, 2011)
He needs to read your posts and get informed.
Oldest troll trick in the world.
lol
The problem I have with the construct of wishing suffering and pain upon anyone is that it is a slippery slope to a self-perpetuating cycle of violence often presented as eye-for-an-eye “justice”– like what Troy Davis supposedly received.
I actually consider him to be a friend, a colleague. I know he loathes Firebaggers but we met at Netroots Nation. I’ve known him for over a year. We’ve had good discussion. I just don’t get him jumping to saying he’ll try to paint me as someone like Andrew Breitbart. Pretty low.
Bologna’s Second Assault with Slo-Mo
From the YouTube comments:
Probably neither a professor or a guy named Hamington.
Thought so (Wikipedia):
Slippery slopes are only dangerous to people who are not well-grounded. For well-grounded people, they just present an opportunity to use good judgment.
Kevin’s going to be on the Alonya show tonight!
“U.S. watchdogs target tax-exempt campaign money”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/28/us-usa-campaign-finance-idUSTRE78R3OT20110928
“The idea that these organizations are social welfare groups is nonsense,” Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, said in a statement. “The overriding purpose of these groups is to participate in and influence elections, which makes them ineligible for tax-exempt status.”
So, probably using sarcasm to indicate support for OWS, I would say. Good catch.
I’m getting to the point where nothing surprises me any more:
South Florida ICE official arrested on child porn charges
Never a dull moment in the great state of FL. Sheesh.
“paint you like Andrew Breitbart”?
The pie fights do get out of hand. But the comment is a typical trollish retort after baiting the hook with an outrageous comment.
Strange things sometimes happen when folks move from the real world to the keyboard in the midst of a potentially divisive situation.
One hopes we can eventually agree that we don’t need to all agree about the details to get the job done.
Very cool! As long as he doesn’t wear Jane’s froggy glasses lol.
It’s gravity exerting a drag on all the assholes and pulling them down there.
Excellent news. They will assign Inspector Clouseau to conduct the investigation.
That seems to be what Occupy Wall Street generally understands. Let’s not argue over what to tax and what not to tax. Let’s not argue how to fund this and how to fund that. Let’s not argue whether this campaign would be better than that. Let’s set up principles and goals, find commonality, focus our attention on one target (had it from Day One – Wall Street). The rest will fall into place as more and more people join the demonstrations.
Sounds like we will be getting a better NYPD defense of his action. That’s all.
Recommend following @UncleRUSH and thanking him for supporting #OccupyWallStreet. May encourage him to stay involved and help more.
Good interview, altho the interviewer appeared clueless at times when posing questions to Mz. Hamsher . . . . like she was playing tough reporter or even devils advocate . . . sounded cynical and snide at times.
Mz. Hamsher kicked ass!
*G*
Who is Osborne?
Alonya brings on great guests sometimes, but I’m not fond of Alonya herself, personally. To each their own, I guess.
Appears they’re still marching (?)
Strong libertarian presence this afternoon?
Unfortunately, that would accord with my experience and expectations. They might require him to buy donuts for Internal Affairs.
Who?
That person interviewing Jane was not Alyona. Just in case anyone thinks that.
Never heard of this person or her show, but the segment with Mz. Hamsher featured someone sitting in for the show hostess. I did NOT care for her attempt to appear ‘just as educated and tuff’ as Mz. Hamsher. Got the DISTINCT impression the sit in host was jealous and trying to one up Mz. Hamsher . . . watched it again, now it’s funny in that regard . . . pathetic interview skills.
The guy yer havin a twit war with . . .
Yep, roger that.
I have another viewpoint based upon my own experience and examinations. I choose differently.
I think it’s over. He stopped publicly debating and started to send me direct messages privately. This is the position (probably many liberals’ position):
“I don’t think Occupy Wall Street isn’t working but I want it to work.” — That’s kind of like I don’t think my car isn’t working but I would like the engine to start.
Just watched Jane’s’ appearance on RT. It was well done. My opinion. I don’t think the glasses matter given the audience–or any audience for that matter.
What exactly does “working” mean? After all, it’s been only twelve days. What were his expectations that are seemingly not being met? And on the basis of what information sources is he making his judgment that they are not being met?
Washington, DC
Blast from the past: Wall Street Protesters Plan to to Occupy Lower Manhattan With Tents
What the press knew on September 17.– the one demand:
Such nice Canadians.
And this. Remember that this is Bloomberg’s Business Week blog:
Puts things in perspective, doesn’t it? Money in politics has got to go. Everything else is a symptom.
Woot!!!
That’s about where I’m at with EyewearGate2011.
Cool pic from OccupyChicago:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls93h0PhFR1qbdw96o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1317330994&Signature=Bd5TmvNA910wb1nIjJzzKfK0mk4%3D
A Letter from Mexico
http://yfrog.com/kl6ucxjj
Hackers target Goldman Sachs
So Kevin goes on the Alonya show in 25 minutes?
Quick Guide on Group Dynamics in Peoples Assemblies
Yesterday,I posted this document created by the Puerta del Sol Protest Camp (Madrid). It helps for understanding general assembly facilitation.
I saw that the perpetrator of the macing was identified as Capt. Anthony Bologna. Is that accurate or just a joke? After all, the translation of his name would be Capt. Tony Baloney.
Guardian on pepper spray incident and investigation
OT– “Merck’s Political Donations Purchase California Gardasil Bill Votes” (The Refusers, Sept. 8, 2011)
“Perry’s mandate of an HPV vaccine for young girls is part of a larger pattern of doing favors for campaign contributors–risks and conservative principles be damned” … “Rick Perry: Selling Sixth-Grade Girls’ Health to the Highest Bidder?” (AlterNet.Org, Sept. 15, 2011)
“How Gardasil is being marketed in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand” … “Profit Knows No Borders, Selling Gardasil to the Rest of the World: Part Four of the Politics and PR of Cervical Cancer” (AlterNet.Org, July 19, 2007)
pic
Edit: photo by Ghostpickles
people taking pictures of people taking pictures of people taking pictures of people taking pictures of people taking pictures of people taking pictures of people …………………………….
a round robin of photography.
No, it’s for-real.
Very unfortunate name. Maybe that’s why he’s so angry and mean…
Girl pepper sprayed in NY tells her story.
She refers to it as mace but was actually pepper spray.
http://twitpic.com/6s1f0o
Repeal the Commodities Futures Modernization Act as well as The Financial Services Modernization Act(the anti Glass/Steagall Act) that were the product of the Clinton/Gramms union.
Excellent info!
link:
http://www.dnainfo.com/20110928/downtown/nypd-lauches-probe-into-pepper-spray-incident-as-new-video-surfaces#ixzz1ZHdULYxz
Kevin on RT in 3 minutes?
I think it’s at 7 PM ET.
US = Utter Sham.
So it’s in an hour? (sorry, I haz teh dumb with time zones. lol)
Thanks for clearing that up. Fact really is stranger than fiction.
His parent must’ve had a sense of humor that was not genetic – but that was the name I saw on his badge in a photo and I beleieve Anonymous posted some personal info on him.
I was on. Will post link to YouTube video when the segment is posted.
“NYPD Occupy Wall Street Pepper-Gate: White Shirts Gone Wild” (BAGNewsNotes.Com, by Karen Hull, Sept. 28, 2011)
“Alan Chin at Occupy Wall Street: Nights at Camp Hashtag” (BAGNewsNotes.Com, Sept. 27, 2011)
“Obama Flickr Update: Chris Christie’s Got My Back” (BAGNewsNotes.Com, by Michael Shaw, Sept. 26, 2011
Speaking as one of Italian descent who grew up in New Jersey, I’m betting that he effing loved that name!
pic
http://yfrog.com/hwp6ggj
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2011/9/27/egypt-us-activists-pledge-of-solidarity.html
You and the rest of the Live Bloggers would make a great panel on a Sunday talk show. Of course as it stands now I doubt it, but in a just world maybe. And how about turning the tables and have one sorta conservative doofus for every five of you.
Hi everyone, here for a little while. I read some of the beginning posts for today, but had to cut to the chase…
Hey, on LS, I got part of the declaration the GA read aloud, and the email address if you want a copy of the declaration. The LS came back on after this guy had already started reading this “declaration.” So, I’m not sure what “declaration” means. I mean I don’t know if this is his personal declaration.
Here’s the email address they announced if you want a copy of this declaration: c2anycga@gmail.com They repeated it a few times, so I’m pretty sure it’s right.
Here’s part of the declaration that I typed as they were speaking:
They (Corporations) have taken bailouts from taxpayers; give nothing back and give CEOs bonuses; they use gender inequality and discrimination.
They have poisoned the food supply and undermined food system with big ag.
They outsource labor, influence the courts to achieve same rights as ppl with none of culpability or responsibility; spend legal money to get out of contracts for health insurance.
Sold our privacy as a commodity; used military as police force to prevent free press; their products endanger life.
They determine economic policy; donated large sums of money to politicians who are supposed to be regulating them.
They block alternate forms of energy; keep ppl dependent on oil; block medicine that could save lives in order to protect investments that have already turned profit; covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping.
They keep ppl misinformed and fearful thru control of media; perpetuate colonialism home and abroad; participated in torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas; continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. They have participated indirectly in racist actions by accepting contracts from Georgia to murder (not sure if that’s a reference to Troy Davis)
To the people of the world, the NYC GA occupying Wall Street urge you to assert your power, exercise your right to peaceably assemble , occupy public space; identify problems you face in your community and generate solutions; all communities take action, form groups in the spirit of direct democracy; use all resources at your disposal. Join us. Make your voices heard.
Solidarity chant.
Watching Michael Moore on MSNBC live from WS. His bodyguards are super-scary looking!
Yeah, I noticed that too. They guy in the blue shirt?
Missed Taibbi on Countdown – he was on the same time as Moore. The Taibbi clip with probably be up tonight or tomorrow, tho.
I saw two of them, one on each side. Both had visible ear pieces and were glaring/scowling.
I missed Taibbi too. Should be a good clip..have to watch for it.
“RAP NEWS 9 – The Economy ^_^ (with Ron Paul & Peter Joseph)” (The Juice Media, Sept. 28, 2011)
FWIW
Thank you. Sent request…
From Global Revolution …
Letter: Canadian Union of Postal Workers in solidarity with Liberty Park demonstrators. Note: National Day of Action Coming October 12th.
More representatives speaking:
Organizing for Occupation
Peoples Justice Coalition
citizen’s arrest?
that tweet makes it sound like the police had nothing to do with it.
Maybe not (318 above)
By “FWIW,” I mean it is an unconfirmed allegation. Maybe I shouldn’t post these things at all until they’re confirmed?
Alternet.org published a story online today about a CNN opinion piece favorable to the protest:
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/672975/as_occupy_wall_street_gains_momentum%2C_a_harsh_critic_recants_in_the_mainstream/#paragraph3
From the intro:
Here’s the link to the CNN piece (probably just published online):
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/28/opinion/kohn-tradition-of-protests/index.html?hpt=op_t1
The CNN piece headline: Protesters: Today’s ‘rioters,’ tomorrow’s righteous
Interestingly, the author of the CNN piece is founder and chief education officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a progressive grass-roots think tank that promotes the ideas of local communities to solve national problems, and a contributor to American Prospect magazine.
So one day she disparages OWS, the next, she praises it.
Me too, just sent an email. We’ll see what we get!
LS caption:
NYC Live Day 12 GA 9/28
Meda (sic) Team Members arrested during rain//Working of Feed Quality
Caption taken off LS now.
Whew!
The hand gestures are group response signals to the facilitator. See the descriptions in the Puerta del Sol Protest Camp (Madrid) Guide to group dynamics at peoples assemblies posted upthread.
Yah – I’ve been a booster for undefined goals to date – but I’ve been impressed with the GA dialogue and hold high hopes for this form of consensus-building. I’m hoping that I will be blown away (your initial transcriptions are very encouraging), and am anxious to trumpet the manifesto.
Or, as one fool incontinently put it, to “catapult the propaganda.” OK, that was a joke…
Ah, so that’s where the rumor came from!
In reply to Petro @330
It’s all propaganda, yes? It just depends what side you’re on.
Of course, our propaganda will be based on facts and truth.
I am very encouraged by the prospects of this movement taking hold in cities across the country. The movement being people in communities all across the land come together – yes in a consensus-building formation to identify the problems they face and generate solutions — or maybe that should be generate demands.
Maybe….right now the LS screen says:
Police took down tarp during the rain that covered the media center//working on video feed.
I am more encouraged by the hour. It is no exaggeration for me to say that I am the happiest I have been in years.
I have LS up now. It was so flaky ever since the march this afternoon that I hadn’t tried it lately.
Class anger will do that to a woman.
Yes, this makes me happy too. We are, after all, the 99 percent! If we make enough noise together, and if we keep making noise together, if we all finally realize we’re in this together..they won’t be able to ignore us.
Know what you mean. I’ve been energized by this, as you can tell by all the comments I’ve made.
Business card for press inquiries
Tell the media the number is: +1 (516) 570-9224 (press inquiries)
And I’ve been reading your contributions, in all of the liveblogging here at FDL (et al.) You play no small part in my jubilation.
Gee, thanks.
My care package for #OccupyWallStreet
Obviously unconfirmed.
Petro, I think you misunderstand the source of the tweet that TarheelDem posted.
“There’s hot bitches here.” A woman would not have said that.
The GA has addressed on several occasions the specific plight of “non-male bodies.”
At the GA earlier tonight, I heard them talking about the line-up to speak at the meeting. They call the line-up the stack. “The stack is progressive.” This means: “If stack is 10 men in a row, a non-male body will jump stack so discussion is not dominated by men, which is often the case here.”
On another occasion I heard them say that if 10 people are interviewed by the press and only one of them is non-male, that’s not representative. The population at Liberty Park is not 90 percent male.
I don’t know why they don’t say female or woman, maybe there’s transgendered there. Curious that they use “non-male” to denote woman.
Anyway, apparently gender is an issue there. Not surprising, I guess, when you consider many of the occupiers are young and they have been camping out for 12 days. Not that old people don’t have sex, but young people are, well, young.
Nice.
WSJ
Re: 349 above
Edit: this is a retweet.
You don’t immediately leave your cultural baggage when you walk into a “free zone”. Witness the item about media interviews. How many guys would have the consciousness to say “as long as you are interviewing me, why not also interview [non-male person] here”? Or “intead of”…
That just tickles me.
Did they?
Very condescending headline:
“Down with Wall Street……but keep the pizza coming.”
Not that I have seen (reports of actual arrests). I went through the tweets from both @OccupyPhoenix and @OccupyPHX.
Yeah, saw that. After all, it is Murdoch’s rag.
Maybe we can get an update…..
Yes, I guess I was thinking about the movement of the 60′s – 70′s. It was notoriously sexist. The woman’s movement gained traction from the rampant sexism. Perhaps not much has changed for women, when you get down in the trenches. OTOH, their use of “non-male bodies” calls attention to that. Change starts with awareness, and they are making a concerted effort to bring women into speaking positions.
There is a video on the http://nycga.cc site called The women of occupy wall street. It is a series of women talking about their experience there, though they give no hint of problems with sexism.
They also had a workshop on talking to the media specially for “non-male bodies.”
It comes under the “then they mock you” step.
Good interview, Kevin!
are there videos up yet of kevin, taibbi and michael moore from today?
Like this:
I hear you. My pithy response was to make parody, but I acknowledge if it was a “fail.”
(BTW – I loved the business card, put it up at my place!)
Kevin’s is up @ 8:53 update above.
it didn’t fail here. made me smile.
Here’s Moore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBZaAlXd0I&feature=youtu.be
Off to see if Taibbi is up…
Taibbi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi6GiKKNIdc
How astute!!!!! ROFLMAO
No problem. Maybe it’s just me. I didn’t get your “catapult the propaganda” joke @330 either.
And what business card do you mean?
Thanks for ferreting out the Moore & Taibbi appearances – downloading, haven’t watched yet, but love the short clip I got from Olbermann:
“Occupy Wall Street may be gaining strength…”
Ya think?
Shit, I really hate to burst this so-lovely bubble, but the half-Italian in me feels constrained to inform that the correct pronunciation of that Italian name is Bah-lone-ya. I’m so sorry.
Everybody’s got to do what they think is right. I’m comfortable with my way.
thanks maydaze. i was just up watching. very well done by both kevin and alyona.
He needs ‘em.
Business card: Oh sorry, that was Tarheel Dem.
“Catapult the propaganda” was a Bushism… video here.
Yes, yes, of course real revolutionaries don’t eat till the revolution is concluded. Hi, greenie.
No need to worry until we see the men wearing T-shirts that say, “A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.” (That is a historically based JOKE, don’t anyone flame me.)
LOL. Acknowledged.
Yer welcome.
I’m willing to accept credit for Matt Taibbi making an appearance at OWS since I sent a tweet asking him to go. You can all thank me now. :>
IT’S FRAHN-KIN-STEEN!!!
hi dear one. i so appreciate yours and kevin’s and tarheel’s and maydaze and athena’s keeping this live blogging live and alive for all of us. (very sorry if i left out someone who should be included. anyone – please do add to my list.
i look forward to the day when i belong to the full fledged people’s world. shimmying now to loosen the shackles of citizen of the empire.
Ok, you made me laugh. But actually it’s “needs” not “wants”
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle [and vice versa]
Meaning
A feminist slogan, suggesting that men are superfluous to women’s needs.
Origin
This slogan is often attributed to Gloria Steinem. Other claims for origination point to Flo (Florynce) Kennedy, or to an anonymous author who painted the slogan on a wall at University of Wisconsin in 1969.
Gloria Steinem had this to say in a letter she wrote to Time magazine in autumn 2000:
“In your note on my new and happy marital partnership with David Bale, you credit me with the witticism ‘A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.’ In fact, Irina Dunn, a distinguished Australian educator, journalist and politician, coined the phrase back in 1970 when she was a student at the University of Sydney. She paraphrased the philosopher who said, ‘Man needs God like fish needs a bicycle.’ Dunn deserves credit for creating such a popular and durable spoof of the old idea that women need men more than vice versa.”
Thanks yellowsnapdragon
Thank you — Now, to get Moore’s and Taibbi’s appearances up. (Though I may wait and lead with them in a post for tomorrow morning.)
All Hail YSD!
moore was great, as usual!
what’s the finger wiggling thing? is that silent clapping? saves on wear and tear on the palms?
Kevin, that was an outstanding interview.
“We are not worthy, we are not worthy, we are not worthy…”
we are all worthy. just yellowsnap’s just a little snappier.
now, thank you, ysd, i go to watch the taibbi video.
Damn good tweet.
Taibbi was slightly dismissive. I think he’s viewing it as the only thing that can come of this is pressuring those who hold the real power, access, and knowledge to do what’s right. That would be nice, but I think the people at #OccupyWallStreet and elsewhere have little hope of that happening are thinking bigger than that. To encourage people to start working together outside their homes. The more organized we are in our communities, workplaces, etc., the more power we have to fight back and to restructure these institutions and our communities to be truly democratic.
Yer welcome.
Great interview, Kevin. Alyona’s show is terrific, partly because she gets it and partly because she gets the right guests!
LOL! You’re in the Taibbi’s head!
Well, a lot of the tweets said today was hippie day, too. Today wasn’t necessarily the best day for him to get a good feel for what it’s all about.
Someone upthread was asking for Michael Moore vid from tonight. Here it is.
Video.
i’d never seen taibbi interviewed before. i was kind of shocked to see him so restrained. he’s so wild in his writing.
I agree about the dismissiveness. I cut him a break for having been immersed in the culture of Wall Street long enough to write about it as he has.
The one thing that stood out to me in his interview was the protest sign he described. As we’ve talked about here, the protest *is* really general, partly because there is so much wrong happening and partly because we don’t really understand the schemes banksters have cooked up.
I think I’d say Taibbi was not dismissive, but realistic and offering a sobering viewpoint.
Yes, he clearly said that people who know about Wall Street would have to step in. This is not verbatim, but the gist of what he said:
OWS could create political support for those activists who are trying to change very specific things about how Wall ST operates. This crowd doesn’t know enough about how for instance the derivatives market works, but there are people out there who do. They’ll say look there are protests out there, we have to do something.
And right before he said that, he said:
There are not 100,000 desperate people out there, they are students having a sleep-in right now…
But he also clearly said:
This movement is growing organically. A lot of people know there’s something to protest now. There is enough real distress and desperation out there [in the country] that could transform into a movement of enough angry people to scare people in power.
Taibbi mentioned he covered, wrote about, the Tea Party in its early beginnings, and he compared the NYC Wall St. occupation to the Tea Party:
It is like the Tea Party when somebody gave people a reason to come out in the streets and organize and show their anger and all of a sudden there were millions of people. That could happen here because there is enough discomfort.
Okay all the videos are up for people to view. Lots of media to watch.
Also, what happened to the Occupy Phoenix protesters? Were they disappeared into a private Arizona prison? Are they now wearing pink per the orders of Sheriff Arpaio?
What hump?
Oh, Taibbi’s writing is sublime! I am *such* a fan.
paraphrasing very liberally: when keith asked taibbi whether the people at liberty square were going to create the change or whether they would be the spark, taibbi responded by saying that the people in liberty square didn’t understand how derivatives worked, for example, but that the people who did understand would be able to point to the protests in the streets and be able to say, “this is what the people want”.
this could be the start of something: the fdl taibbi groupies. i ‘spect there’s a lot of us. it’s so much fun reading him and i always learn something important.
Have you read griftopia?
and what would be the beverage of your choice this fine evening, madam?
Making you laugh was the important part lol. I have no doubt as to the accuracy of your quote and history, but, my dear, I NEVER forget a T-Shirt. I was surrounded with the mirror image of the one I described above when I went to New York University in Greenwich Village in the 70′s. I do believe for a time they were the most popular T-shirts in the city. Very distressing to my young adult self lol.
You da best. xoxoxo
Nobody could carry a sign big enough to say it all.
I haven’t, but it’s on my reading wish list.
I suspect his primary sources are Bill Black and Dean Baker, maybe Michael Hudson, too. Taibbi just takes those facts and uses the written word to transform them into a literary machete.
They’re some of the most boring chapters of the book, but he does a good job explaining the schemes of the banksters. Basically, they were selling oregano as weed. And the rating agencies (metaphorically in charge of verifying the quality of the pot) were either in on it or criminally negligent.
Teehee. Obviously he was using metaphores appropriate for his adoring audience.
Last I have:
very apt description.
I spend my whole life immersed in that stuff, and I’ve never seen a better summation. You could have saved me a lot of effort.
oh, i thought that was athena’s metaphor.
Phoenix update, trying to confirm before he tweets.
I am most assuredly sober
Taibbi’s used that metaphor before. I don’t remember if it was in Griftopia or an interview.
Yes, but my mostly logical mind has a hard time translating the T-shirt:
“A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle.”
So, let me try. Ok, that means a man would be fine without a woman since a fish is fine without a bicycle.
Ok, well, then that was a rejoinder to a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
Oh, ok, I get it…sorry to your young manhood. But I’m sure you got over it
there’s a tradition here at fdl that when one person says something right before another one does, that the second one offers the first something to drink. a virtual drink that is then sent thru the toobz. can be anything from grape ne-hi to single malt scotch.
so, with that said, what’ll you have? i’m buying.
I’m going to try to make it out tomorrow (Thurs), but it could be late. If too late, I may just stay in a hostel and head out for Friday. Don’t want to arrive when everyone is sleeping.
Then, the question is how long do I stay and what else do I do with my time there? Think I’ll go nutty hanging out in the park 24/7 for several days. Going to look for work maybe, been trying to move to NYC for awhile. Won’t be in my best attire, but that probably helps for the types of jobs I’ll be aiming for. I’ll try to bring my laptop and keep updating live from the ground and more so on my Twitter account (if you see nothing from me on here, check there).
you paraphrased taibbi shortly before i did. (you also did it better, thank you.)
Oh, in that case, I’ll have a cup of red zinger.
happy traveling. where are you heading out from? i wish you a lot of good luck in finding a job.
Haha, coverage on G4 TV today?? (Internet/video game channel)
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/55479/occupy-wall-street-fights-corporate-greed/
Guy reporting live is @SamSeder. The crowd and host seem very supportive.
one cup of red zinger, coming through the toobz. along with a little bitty teapot keeping another cup warm. whoosh!
Wow, he really ripped on NPR, they deserve it, as do other “liberal” media organizations who are too above the riff-raff on the street.
Can’t wait to hear your “live on the ground” updates! Please consider starting a FDL readers’ diary while you’re there, too. Sort of your own little liveblog, maybe?
Have to agree with realitychecker, I’ve read a lot about it and that’s a pretty apt description.
“A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.” Lack of need was implied in the T-shirts as I remember them. Appreciate your expression of sympathy, but I already got over it by getting old lol.
“DROP BEATS NOT BOMBS” haha love that shirt.
If I have time. Not sure what the situation will be like there and I don’t have a smart phone to help out on updating. Seems like it’s getting more and more crowded.
Lawrence O’Donnell (MSNBC) and and Keith Olbermann (Current) seem to be competing for the hearts of the protesters. WHo supported the revolution the most and first. Good for us!
great interview. sam seder was very supportive and articulate.
I was just listening to Jane Hamsher’s interview, which was excellent, at the top of Kevin’s post. She said similar things to Taibbi.
The interviewer pressed her about what could a core demand be of the OWS. Hamsher said, personally, she’d like to see a reexamination of the tax code and stop Fed money going to the banks with no strings attached. It would take complex analysis and education, but she is looking forward to taking part and working with people who are doing that.
I thought Jane made excellent points throughout the interview. Again, this is not verbatim. Jane admitted that OWS demands may be a bit inchoate now, but everybody knows we’re being robbed by the banks. People see the protesters out there and say good. It’s spreading and there will be a time when clear demands will come out. There are individuals out there who might have an idea about that already. Mostly people know where we shouldn’t go. We shouldn’t keep funneling money to the banks and the elites.
Jane noted that the NYC protesters will join the DC protest on 10/6. She also made the point that what the NYC organizers have accomplished is no small feat. She said they have organized more people on the 10th day than they did on the 1st day.
And one other point: We’ve tried not demonstrating and that hasn’t worked.
– and I am signing off for the night very soon.
Alyona Minkovski sounds quite left, like Amy Goodman. /crush
okay, good people, i’m off to sleep. see y’all manana.
“Everybody knows we’ve been robbed by the banks.” As Jeremiah Johnson said, in a slightly different context, “That is all you need to know.” For now. Eek, I just turned into a pumpkin. Rollin’ on out of here. Sweet dreams of freedom to all you lovely folks.
One of the things it’s about (IMO)
Seems like the goal is to change the game and restore some basic fairness. I’ve had conservatives say this to me!! Not in an angry teaparty way…in a “where is the compassion? where is the opportunity?” We’re all looking for jobs and looking for our own success, whether we are dem or rep.
99% is a brilliant concept.
These last two were retweets from Perth, Australia. I like these guys in Perth.
Weirdly, I think Keith is competing with Lawrence and Lawrence appears to have been replaced by a space alien ; ) What the heck happened to the formerly buttoned down rah rah pro-establishment host we’ve come to know and ignore? Dang, he keeps this up, I might have to start watching MSNBC again ; )
I should also add that Michael Moore rocked. It is phenomenal to have someone as prominent as he is, get it so completely. What a great interview!
Agreed. A lifelong Republican friend (and an intelligent and decent human being for those about to throw stones) came up to me recently at a party and announced that we need more socialism. And he wasn’t kidding. I was floored. This has gone way beyond traditional party affiliations. It really is about restoring fairness. So much is so unfair, that it cannot be simply summed up. There is a lot to do and it touches upon every corner of our society. The folks looking for the Cliff’s Notes of the agenda still haven’t grasped that fact.
I agree, 99% is great.
Also like “Banks got bailed out, we got sold out!” That has a lot of resonance with a broad cross-section of the populace.
Yep, Too Big to Jail is my new tee shirt.
I’ve been extremely skeptical of Moore because he always seems the first to come back praising the Democrat in power when they say something good, like he’s done with Obama recently. However, I think he’s sincere in his support for grassroots movements. He may also support Democrats in elections, but I can’t see him standing by their side clutching for power if the government begins crumbling.
Yeah, for a few months now Moore has been my new hero.
I suspect like all of us, Moore is desperately looking for a way out of the morass we’re in.
Without a grassroots movement, there aren’t a lot of levers to pull outside of the two party system. So I can understand his attempts to cajole Democrats if that might help. God knows they are more likely to listen to him than to ordinary people like me.
With a grassroots movement though, all bets are off. It’s clear watching his face and listening to what he has to say that his heart is with the protesters, whether in Wisconsin or on Wall Street. And I think he has seen in his travels what all of us here know, that things have gone too far, people are beyond angry, and since the government will not do the job we hired them to do, we will.
Where has he praised Obama recently? Starting around late 2009 I started seeing him say things like this:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/23/michael_moore_health_care_bill_a
Oh yeah, that’s great!
I’m still not gone to sleep.
What I think is fantastic about Moore coming to be with the protestors is that he knows his coming will boost morale and add to the numbers of people present and generally move the thing further along. I just love it that he so wholeheartedly comes to the table. He certainly wasn’t praising Obama tonight in his interview. That was a nice bonus.
just had a chance to watch part of Taibbi’s interview and frankly I think his restraint was out of respect for a flegling group. He is used to ripping on people who abuse power. He wasn’t going there for this group. As Jane said, everyone knows the banks robbed us, even if we’re not sure how they did it, as Matt does.
I’ll never forget him ripping Ms. Bachman on TV, saying he’s heard bums huffing glue on the street make more sense!
everyone spit their water!
My peeps:
Glad you’re still awake : ) Although, now that you mention it, it is way past my bedtime ; )
I think Moore really profoundly understands the power of celebrity in our culture. I don’t think he was being facetious about having Matt Damon run for President, not because of Matt per se, but because he understands the boost celebrity gives to any effort to appeal to the public. And as you note, Moore is willing to use that power himself to bring greater attention to causes that aren’t receiving it. It’s a rare gift and I admire his willingness to use it to such great effect.
ROFL.
you’re probably right about the fledgling protestors and his restraint.
i just love it that people like michael moore and taibbi are coming down to be with the protestors.
LOL, on that note, I will chuckle my way off to la la land. Thanks for that : ) G’night all…
‘Zactly. Isn’t it grand?
G’nite phred. I’m off this time too. I mean it this time.
I found a new video of the mass arrest. At 1: 14 a cop can clearly be heard saying “Everybody lock somebody up.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N-C0nEeRDI&feature=player_embedded#!
Yeah, I could just barely make it out.
Well, still nothing from Phoenix. Best case: battery died/they just went home. Worst case: they’re in jail. But nobody knows.
I’m calling it a night, here’s a last thought from down under:
The upside down revolution. That’s cool.
Live Stream guys are up and moving. Said they only had a little rain overnight.
Charlie Grapski, in a diary at Daily Kos, has a FOIA request for arrest information from the mace attacks by Anthony Bologna.
Bologna’s Second Attack with Pepper Spray.
The sample letter is toward bottom of the diary. A good action item.
Re: athena1, @263
After the speech Obama gave in the daytime about 2 weeks ago at a press conference. He kept talking about needing to tax the richest 1%, how it’s not fair a 1 percenter’s secretary pays higher taxes, etc. The speech could make you think, “Oh yeah, he finally gets it!!!” because of the language he used. It’s just this is coming out now after he’s officially in re-election campaign mode and he hasn’t been anywhere near that rhetoric in his actions the past 3 years.
Anyhow, Moore was on some MSNBC show and he was gushing over the speech (basically saying “Oh yeah,…!!!”) and said he’d vote for him, as well as Democratic Party-affiliated activist groups like Moveon, but the people Obama needs to worry about are those who feel left out by both parties.
Morning, all.
Must be marching again
OccupyPhoenix has been back on, no mentions of any arrests, seems nothing happened after all.
Pic
OccupyTulsa gets a little media coverage.
Good morning!
Huh.
I think he, like a lot of liberals (myself included), is afflicted by a lot of cognitive dissonance over the Democrats.
Good morning! Looks like you’ve got something new going on in TN:
(zoom to hand holding camera while his head is hitting the car bumper.)
Super closing Lawrence.
Good morning to you!
I admit that I love a really good O speech. The race speech won my vote, even against my better judgement of his policy decisions. Unfortunately, Obama has absolutely no follow through on his ideas.
And, again, that is really great.
Good morning, athena1. Since you did not pick up on it, “What hump?” was my favorite line from Young Frankenstein. Marty Feldman’s (Igor, that’s EYE-GORE) response when Gene Wilder offers to surgically improve his gargantuan back hump.
Gah. I’m behind the curve, but Tony Baloney is being investigated.
Perhaps his karma ran over his dogma.
Or his dogma turned around and bit him on the ass.
I got it!
Sorry I didn’t respond.
NY Transit Workers Union supports Occupation
Heh. What else have you got to do lol?
Just another example of how the ruling elite of the DNC is out of touch with progressives (one of the endless email fund-raising pleas I keep getting):
“You need to hear this: Republican Budget Chairman Paul Ryan just announced a radical scheme that, according to Reuters’ reporting, would “effectively dismantle the way most Americans receive medical coverage,” leading “most companies to drop their employer-sponsored plans.””
I can’t agree with the motives of the ‘baggers, but…
Maybe if more people had to try to get individual, non-taxpayer subsidized health insurance (via their employers), they would realize that they can’t afford it? That maybe “health care” is not the same as “health insurance?”
I’ve been on the “don’t get sick plan” for all but 6 months of the last 16 years, as most jobs I’ve held don’t even offer any benefits at all.
I can’t really wish anybody harm, but… “Welcome to the America the rest of us live in.”
So that’s why even though I will ultimately end up holding my nose and voting for them, I am highly reluctant to give them any money this cycle.
TWU Support – Appears it may have been just Local 100, not clear.
DKos
Good morning.
The Russell Simmons picture in the diary is outstanding. There’s one kid who’s going to have something to tell the grandkids.
Good point! (Actually, running the local Occupy Facebook page is a lot more demanding than I expected.)
I’ve had similar, equally dark thoughts before. (also been on the “don’t get sick!” plan for most of 15 years. My whole adult life.)
Occupy Facebook? Link?
Just so folks know who the transport workers are. Unless there’s an Oxford comma problem, I count five divisions. Also note how many public employees might be covered. And 114 “autonomous” locals means that each local has to decide to support the local #occupyeverything movement. It is the (one of the?) NYC locals that is reported to have come out in support of #OccupyWallStreet.
More than likely just Local 100.
I just meant my local occupation ON facebook. Sorry.
You’re doing a wonderful job, and I thank you for it.
I too am on the “don’t get sick” plan. And I am on Medicare. News flash: Social Security payments are not large enough to cover both housing and the Medicare deductibles and co-pays. Moreso, if like me, you had some pre-Medicare medical debt.
That said, a strategy of making it worse generally backfires. And makes things irrecoverably worse.
The point of struggle for progressives right now is changing a generation-long (longer?) political culture. #OccupyWallStreet strikes square-on for that issue.
Until that is dealt with, electoral politics is irrelevant except as a tactic. And the tactical use of electoral politics in 2012 is to vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot who is electable. But like I said, except for that holding action it is mostly irrelevant.
What is relevant is building an independent popular movement that can cut through the media bombing that both parties will be doing starting January (if not before) and will become saturation carpet bombing during October 2012. In other words, we must make campaign donors waste billions of dollars to no effect. The strategy there is to cut off the corporate media’s biennial cash cow.
Other than that, it is an individual decision based on current access to politicians and personal finances as to how much to support and who to support. Did I say that until the political culture is fixed, electoral politics is irrelevant?
How large is that local? And how influential in the national union?
Asia:
See for yourself:
TWU Local 100
From Global Revolution (GR) …
Dalton (10 years old?) is interviewing one of the members of the media team for his report for a school project. Dalton is taking a look at the GR’s chat. Folks on the chat are giving a shout out from around the country and Hong Kong. Good job, Dalton!
From their “about” page:
Edit: the NYC local for a nationwide TWU.
WNYC: Profile of Vlad Teichberg
Aww…thanks!
OT– “Rules for nuclear liability law likely in next Parliament session” (The Hindu, Sept. 29, 2011)
“Cabinet should take collective responsibility for 2G scam: CPI(M)” (The Hindu, Sept. 29, 2011
“Rich must be prepared to pay more tax: Chidambaram” (The Hindu, Sept. 28, 2011)
1/6 of national membership. I would say that that is huge.
Who they represent, and why the NYC PtB have pissed them off:
Can you hear me now?
Livestream Vlad!
The very same–a derivatives trader. No wonder he has passion for what he does. He understands the fraud.
Illinois has a vicious law against video of cops–with a 15 year max.
WWRBD: “You’re under arrest.” (MaxKeiser.Com, Sept. 29, 2011)
“Rosanne On Occupywa” (Sept. 28, 2011)
OT– “German parliament approves euro bailout fund” (NHK, Sept. 29, 2011)
“Finland OKs expanding euro rescue fund” (NHK, Sept. 29, 2011)
“US fines Japanese freight firms for price cartel” (NHK, Sept. 29, 2011)
WTF???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pur4-dfiY
man, what is going down in chicago???
I wonder if Taibbi has connected with him yet…they’d have a lot to talk about.
Already in the courts because of a lady who was harassed by police video’d the incident and was, I believe, acquitted by the jury. Google it.
I suspect there are more like Vlad in Liberty Park.
Chicagoist: Occupy Chicago enters seventh day
‘“United We Stand” Hundreds of United Airlines Pilots Occupy Wall Street marching on NYSE‘ (video, Sept. 28, 2011)
OT– ACLU-NC: “Virgin Mobile and Verizon retain content of text messages” (RawStory.Com, Sept. 28, 2011)
holy crap. I did google it. had no idea.
http://www.dailytech.com/Chicago+Police+Tape+Us+Get+Sentenced+to+15+Years+in+Prison/article20735.htm
money quote:
Well, um, yeah. You know, that part about wrongdoing seems to be a bit problematic for the citizens you are protecting.
Occupy Chicago Report of 9/28/2011 activities
OCCUPY WALL STREET:I am the 99%Protest Movement
http://www.youtube.com/user/Schlockumentaries#p/u/0/T9sXFkYWceo
WWRBD: “You’re under arrest.” (MaxKeiser.Com, Sept. 29, 2011) { with the link this time!
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“Keiko Tsuyama current situation in America – rose – “Silent Generation” youth” (WSJ [Japanese], Sept. 28, 2011)
On Facebook: #Occupy Asia 15 Oct. Global Solidarity
On Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupyasia"
The #occupychi stream on Twitter has not a tweet from anybody for a couple of minutes. Most unusual.
Ah, finally.
Don’t know if he is on the scene. It seems like it.
Occupy Chicago Livestream
LOL.
OccupyChicago Livestream
Hey TD, how many folks are in the core group in chicago at any one time? Can you figure it out. I’m having trouble catching up/following. thanks.
The Occupy Chicago livestream works.
Apparently the cops were telling them that they can have their storage boxes on site. They settled the issue. More CPD harassment.
At some point, folks might have to stand in shifts just because they cannot have anything on site. Get prepared.
Then the cops will demand that they not have clothes. Then the cops will arrest them for indecent exposure.
On the livestream, it looks like a dozen at the moment.
If live stream is really live, appears their “stuff” is still an issue.
Hard to imagine any rational justification for that law.
The New York Transit Workers Union voted to support the Wall Street Protestors. Solidarity!
4377 viewers on Occupy Chicago live stream.
Get the app to watch on the iPhone.
Or, in some cases, perhaps, decent exposure.
Fixed it for ya.
Reverend Billy’s Freakstorm: Revolujah! at Wall Street
The (ir)Reverend wants folks to get off their butts and get out there. All day. All week.
Sorry for not having a live blog up yet. It’s being put together and posted right now. Thanks everyone.
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City – received.
Posted at my place.
Yeah, rational is supposed to be the standard for upholding state laws that impinge on Constitutional rights.
From Occupy Chicago live stream:
Chant: “We want peace. No more wars!”
Think the audio on the live stream could present a legal problem? I know the laws in IL are pretty tough on wire-tapping and audio recording.
From Occupy Chicago live stream:
Demonstrators have attorney assistance on-site (one speaking now in blue button-down shirt). { W00T! } Police want the demonstrators to move their stuff– the demonstrators think they will be required to move all of it.
The only thing accomplished by any anti-recording laws for participants is to protect the ability of liars to lie without fear.
I think “presenting a problem” might be the whole point of livestreaming Occupy Chicago. It’s a much clearer case than the earlier one.
Good job. I copied and posted at Booman Tribune. If you want some traffic, I could post an acknowledgement.
Fascinating call to action. Should be posted in entirety in the diary.
Thanks – been lurking in all of these excellent liveblogs from Kevin. I am pleased to be able to put that Declaration up.
http://twitgoo.com/4ktcpi
For those few who are as clueless as moi, Wikipedia.
wow. great strategy to model it on the Declaration of Independence. Well done. thanks for sharing.
Yeah, it just seems so…oh, what’s the word I’m looking for?…Stalinesque?
RootsAction.Org: “Build A Better Budget” Show the ( Super ) Congress how it’s done and send them yours!
From documentarian John Pilger (Australia):
“The Invisible Government” (video, in 4 parts)
John Pilger on Barack Obama (video, uploaded Apr. 3, 2011)
Live blog for today.
Thanks for the cool links. Love me some Pilger.
Switching to the new liveblog…
Everybody is somewhat clueless around these issues, because the case law is not really consistent. Actually, if a Constitutional right is directly implicated (not sure if this situation qualifies, gotta know more facts), then heightened scrutiny, i.e., “compelling state interest,” is required to uphold the law. If no direct implicaton of C rights, then “any rational basis” is the standard. And there’s lots of cases and rules in between. It drives everyone crazy, even lawyers. BTW, I’m no expert, never admitted to the Supreme Court bar. But you don’t need to be an expert to know what’s going on here–the cops want to be free to do bad stuff without having proof that can be effectively used against them in court. If participants in an event can’t record it, that only favors the party who intends to lie about what happened.