(photo: beelaineo )The occupation has rapidly picked up union support in the past few days. The latest indication that big unions are willing to encourage their members to participate in Occupy Wall Street comes from AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, who The Nation‘s John Nichols reports has said it is “a valid tactic to call attention to a problem. Wall Street is out of control.”
Understanding that the real power the occupation has is how it could “shift the dialogue,” he added, “I think being in the streets and calling attention to issues is sometimes the only recourse you have because, God only knows, you can go to the Hill, and you can talk to a lot of people and see nothing ever happen.”
Occupy Wall Street owes a lot of its success to big unions like AFL-CIO or SEIU not being involved. The bottom-up nature of the protest is something that big union leaders might have been leery toward permitting. It will certainly be important to follow how organizers of Occupy Wall Street use the new support from union leaders. Big union leaders should not expect to be able to join the occupation and take over the process.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg in his weekly appearance on “The John Gambling Show” on AM WOR710 addressed the persistence of those participating Occupy Wall Street in Zuccotti Park. It was an example of a member of the power elite voicing his or her contempt for protest. It was also clear that Gambling has scorn for the protest too as the discussion began with the question, “How do you end that thing?”
Bloomberg answered:
The protesters are protesting against people who make $40-50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That’s the bottom line. These are the people that work on Wall Street in the finance sector. Most of these companies are no longer on Wall Street. We just use that as a catch-all term. And people in this day and age need support for their employers. We need the banks. If the banks don’t go out and make loans, we will not come out of our economic problems. We will not have jobs. So, anything we can do to responsibly help the banks do that encourages them to do that is what we need.
A full report on what Bloomberg said can be found here.
Firedoglake’s premier live blog on all things occupy continues. There is a march at 5:30 am ET. Right now, around 2000 people are said to be in the park. Here is a Twitter list to follow for the latest updates.
LIVESTREAM OF OCCUPY WALL STREET VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
10:28 PM Occupy Boston marching. Now the account for the occupation tweets cops are coming from everywhere.
10:25 PM Torrential rain. They have tarps and some things are covered. The tarps have caused tension because for some reason codes for the park do not allow the tarps (?) Or maybe the cops just decided they can’t have tarps to cover equipment, etc.

8:29 PM

8:25 PM Critical Mass rides by:

8:15 PM Round up of updates on other “Occupy” actions: Occupy Chicago had Critical Mass ride by on their bicycles. They have around 100 out. Occupy Boston is holding first General Assembly. There are
8:13 PM Too big for media to ignore anymore (via @jeffrae)

7:48 PM AdBusters on a movement being born: “People are realizing it’s time to live.”
7:43 PM General Assembly is about to begin with more people than ever.

7:28 PM May be one of the best signs yet. (In fact, FDL should probably be producing a blog post of the top signs so far — post any links in the comments thread). [via Dustin Slaughter]

7:13 PM The people have stood up and are leaving NYPD headquarters. You can hear their chant echoing as they move down the street: “We are the 99%! We are the 99%! We are the 99%!”
7:11 PM African American women speaks: “Twenty years ago, my friend Michael Stewart was beaten to death by the traffic cops of New York. We honor him and his spirit. God bless you Michael Stewart.”
7:07 PM A message to the cops: “It has been ten years since 9/11. We know that you have families. We know that you think you’ve got that job to do. We urge you to find the peace, to find the nonviolence, to find the fun in the First Amendment.”
7:04 PM In a way, there are so many people it is now comical to watch a rally because the speaker must say what he has to say, then the closest people repeat, then the people behind that group of people repeat it and then another group behind repeats it. It’s like a wave.
7:00 PM The rally at the headquarters is against police brutality. Members of Cop Watch in front of the crowd talking about the upcoming annual rally against police brutality on October 22. They say “if we ever want justice, we must continue like this.”
6:54 PM From @AllisonKilkenny, protesters sitting down:

6:36 PM At NYPD headquarters
Report that many of the protesters have sat down in the plaza in front of headquarters.
5:50 PM @DustinSlaughter has this photo, says the march is huge:

5:31 PM Context: David Macaray on how US lags far behind on worker protections.
5:22 PM

5:30 PM Somewhere between three and five thousand people marching from Liberty Park to NYPD headquarters (or as close as police will let them get).
5:15 PM Marching to NYPD headquarters. The march is supposed to be a silent march.
4:45 PM Transit Workers Union speaks to the crowd (via @ANIMALNewYork )

3:45 PM List of all occupy events around the world. Via @SabzBrach
3:42 PM No, Radiohead is not playing Occupy Wall Street
3:20 PM There’s a Rosh Hashanah peace gathering at 4 pm.
3:10 PM Senator Bernie Sanders on Occupy Wall Street



300 Comments

Please do not worry about what the PTB say about Occupy Wall Street. They are the old elite. If they are not with us, they are against us!
“We need the banks. If the banks don’t go out and make loans, we will not come out of our economic problems. ”
Because they’re so eager to make loans now. Right.
I’m down here and there are like 50 people. That’s it. What happened to the damn unions that were supposed to be marching today?
I want to be the 1%!
Wait, there’s another 25 people coming around the corner.
Nope. That’s just a double-decker tour bus driving on through.
Back to 50.
I WANT to be the 1%!
Stars Fell on Alabama
Civil disobedience in front of BoA. #occupyboston stands in solidarity!… -
So you’ve graduated from trolling to lying?
Liberty Plaza 4:25pm
Yep, there’s those 50 people.
More 50 people
Still more 50 people
Trolls gonna troll, liars gonna lie.
And still more 50 people
Their employers are gonna be pretty pissed off with their effectiveness pretty soon.
And even more 50 people
OT– Chinese police brutality is a feature of the 1%ers response:
“Land grab protest in S. China simmers for 4th day” (Reuters credited, Sept. 24, 2011)
“Wave of riots over China land grabs” (The Age [Australia], Sept. 25, 2011)
“China News September 26, 2011” (NTD Television, video, Sept. 26, 2011)
Debit card fees irk customers, prompt flight to BECU
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Debit-card-fees-irk-customers-prompt-flight-to-2196936.php
Now would seem an opportune time to reach out to disgruntled BofA customers about how it’s just another example of big banks abusing their customers.
I really don’t think anyone would pay Happy to post. Srsly. lol.
Labor’s in the park
Oklahoma City GA tonight
Aw, dang. I was wondering where everybody went. Yer all here!
LOL. That was my immediate thought too. Poor vilified banksters.
Jeeze, looking at the GA today vs. the teensy little (passionate) crowd last week is astounding. (Repost from previous thread.)
You ARE the 1%. 99% of the population do not have a life goal of constantly demonstrating that they are obnoxious mega-assholes.
From Global Revolution …
OCCUPY Houston, c’mon if you’re here … there. GA #2 tonight 7pm Market Sq. I think we should rename it Liberty Sq. lol
AlecBaldwinAlec Baldwin
I always get EPU’d at the end of the threads.
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Amazing. They’re multiplying.
Bank of America may get the last laugh
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/30/pf/bank_of_america_fee/
Here’s an idea: that it’s all PART OF A PLOT to have people switch back to credit cards and RACK UP MORE DEBT.
Sounds like the march has started… Edit: in 5 minutes.
REALLY multiplying (?)
Or more likely have customers say Fuck you, and walk to someone such as a local credit union that doesn’t/won’t be charging that fee.
Wow. Just. Freaking. Wow.
Far cry from 300…
OT– From “Land grabs push thousands further into poverty” (OxFam Australia, Sept. 22, 2011; my bold):
“Institutions including Harvard and Vanderbilt reportedly use hedge funds to buy land in deals that may force farmers out” … “US universities in Africa ‘land grab’” (Guardian.Co.Uk, June 8, 2011; my bold)
That would be my hope; see post #16 for what’s already happening in Washington State.
But I think the idea that all the big banks are going to try this eventually to push up the use of credit cards cannot be discounted out of hand.
More debt = more corporate control over the people.
View Cortland and Broadway
Yes.
Clik en la imagen para ver los videos de la revolución mundial en todo el planeta.
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Heh. I haven’t seen that nugget (EPU) ’round these parts for a long while.
Then again, I can’t lurk in all the threads… Kevin’s gotten a lot of my attention of late.
No more silence
The protest should move from Liberty Park to the front entrance of CNN studio and form a wall so no media personnel can enter or exit the building until CNN airs a full report on the OWS movement.
Big talk, Trumka (same goes for TWA leaders). Let them bring 10 thousand, 20 thousand, a 100 thousand workers to occupy Wall Street, or use labor power (eg. the strike) to make political demands. Otherwise, imo, it’s using left cover for inaction, such that activists had to take to the street to shame the trade union bureaucracy, which gave millions to Obama, only to be sh*t on by the Democrats.
Labor could shut down this country tomorrow if it wanted to (reason, for instance, why they purged the Reds from the unions and put mafiosi and/or trade union social democrats pushing electoral politics), but they won’t, because the leadership believes in the system… a system we know is stacked against the common man and woman.
#Occupy Asia 15 Oct. Global Solidarity #革命 (OccupyWallSt.Org, Sept. 30, 2011)
Each of those 10 thousand, 20 thousand, 100 thousand workers vote with their own two feet as to whether they will participate – regardless of what the leadership wants. Labor leaders can only promise what their membership is willing to deliver.
Trumka holds no power over what the organizers do right now. I will be upfront and honest when I believe he poses a threat. AFL-CIO is not trying to squelch the protest at this point or channel it into some effort to pass some lousy piece of legislation.
Another major event in Manhattan tonight:
trying to hold the Black-Eyed Peas concert in Central Park (it was rained out over the summer).
So mass media may be distracted by this other event a bit I suppose.
While I love rank-and-file union involvement, I would not trust Richard Trumka, or any other liberal technocrat. Trumka’s sole goal will be to funnel dissent into the Democratic party — back into the system, to help reelect Obama. The same goes for any union head.
The danger is that Trumka has a lot of money at his disposal with which to co-opt and buy off people. And typically there are people who can be bought. I’m not saying there’s anyone currently in Zuccotti Park who could be bought — just that, again, people like Trumka have command over vast resources they can spread around in pursuit of their goals (the most immediate of which is reelecting Obama), and that anything they do should be viewed with great suspicion.
Personally, I say, Fuck Richard Trumka. He’s absolutely no friend whatsoever of the working class. At least the Koch brothers are honest about wanting to screw me.
Good. Thank you.
What are they chanting?
Now on CBS2 NY:
BREAKING NEWS:
live helicopter shot of the thousands in the streets of lower Manhattan.
OK was 1 min only, over now.
That would be illegal.
Labor union–young people alliance. This is rare, it only happens in the biggest and most important protests. Reminiscent of France in 1968.
Privileged white kids with too much time on heir hands. Their parents must be really proud.
Large numbers of people test the consensed upon tactical discipline–especially when there are new people who show up without context or training.
Ask him instead for union Butts* On Ground (BOG),
symbolic of our sit-in strategy. Since Our MAJORITY already
occupies US, we can devote our mutual strategic direct actions to BOG down
the Obamanible empire and its corporate minions. Next, http://october2011.org
I see that Hosni Mubarak has joined us.
THAT IS TOO COOL!
Weren’t you HeadedWest?
What an upbeat day this is! Great to see the unions getting involved.
Heh
They have too much time on their hands because the banksters and investment class crashed the economy.
I’d be more than proud to claim anyone marching on wall street.
Actually, I’m sure their parents ARE proud that rather than accept a future of declining standard of living and becoming modern-day peasants controlled by wealthy overlords, they are trying to do something other than post snide comments on the Internet.
Agreed. And that is the Achilles Heel of having no defined program, which has both a positive and a negative side. On the positive side, it doesn’t pin anyone down, allows for full democracy about where a movement will go, etc. On the negative side, it allows for co-optation, and a certain slide into the “politics of the possible,” i.e., accommodation to electoral pressure politics, much as the antiwar movement and civil rights movements ultimately ended with a program to elect (supposedly) liberal Democrats… and well, here we are with that.
The biggest obstacles to change in this country are not the Teabaggers, or even the GOP. It is the Democratic Party and the trade union bureaucracy, whose job is to straight-jacket people into electoral pressure politics. After all, where else does one go if you don’t fight for power against those who have the power?
Trumka and Bernie Sanders are the sirens corralling the protesters back into the Democratic Party pen. We are a “big tent”, etc. Without a political pole to draw people to, i.e., an anticapitalist, pro-working class political party, there is nowhere for the movement to go except back into reformist, “pressure” politics, or maybe even worse, into adventurist attempts to jumpstart the masses… and it’s the history of the New Left all over again.
Pic.
@ANIMALNewYork ANIMALNewYork
“Osama Bin Bernanke” #occupywallst twitpic.com/6t1k0o
Don’t worry. Once they run out of lunch money they’ll be back in their parent’s basements. So much for independence/revolutionaries…..There is nothing constructive about this besides bleeding the city of new york of financial resources to supply the extra security.
We can thank Tony Baloney and all his groupies who videotaped him for the easing up of police assault.
According to the great Glen Ford, of Black Agenda Report
LINK
However, Ford isn’t dismissing the action as valueless. I mean, I do understand the frustration with a left that is all too white. Racism runs deep in this country, no question, and that includes on the left with its white culture and white values. As far as that goes, the left also exudes coordinator-class culture and coordinator-class values — though virtually no one really understands what that means. Classism runs deep also, and it is less well understood than racism.
I understand your anger though, and on different days I’ve shared it. This action feels valuable to me though. Then again, I am white — which is why I went looking for what Glen Ford had to say. He is an intellectual giant (I’m assuming everyone already knows he’s black).
From Global Revolution now …
March to protest police brutality at NYPD HQ (presently in front of NYPD HQ)
A young man says, “Occupy Poughkeepsie!”
Cop Watch present.
{ LOL } Check out Joe Biden in the mast head of this series of Mandarin articles about #OccupyWallStreet and translated into serviceable English.
Yet they’ll love you unconditionally, just as we do
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
Chicago, we are headed to critical mass. Bring your bikes and join us!
27 minutes ago via Echofon
LS:
The woman who is speaking is standing in front of the front door to USAO SDNY. The protestors appear to have completely filled up St. Andrews Plaza, To have spilled out into Foley Square (the FBI is on the far side of Foley), to have completely filled the arcades (those big arched corridors) under the Municple Building and to have spilled out toward the Tweed Court House down Chambers Street. They may have also spilled into City Hall Park. They also appear to have filled Broadway from the Brooklyn Bridge to Foley Square
THIS IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF REAL ESTATE. I think the estimate of 3,000 protestors may have to be revised upwards.
It also presumably has frozen all Brooklyn Bridge Traffic since I cannot imagine how a car could get on or off the bridge (well, I guess you could if you realized to take the Pearl/Water Street exits)
This also basically surrounds, the Mayor, the FBI, the US Attorney, The Police Commissioner and some of the courthouses.
And awful lot of very powerful people are now likely holed up in their offices unable to leave.
When you see the woman speaker, you can see the USAO FDNY folks all lined up at the windows, watching
I’m sure the Democrats and unions would like to exploit the unrest. That being said I think that the PTB will have a tough time corraling people even if they say the right things. American people are tired of talk, they want action.
That might be getting close enough to go visit someday for a day trip. It’s full of colleges and a has a large minority populace. If the two can come together, something positive might happen.
Send the police back to their stations. Save a lot of unnecessary aggravation. Save New York money.
i agree w much of what you say but i really don’t see the problem, at least not yet
this 99% concept is brilliant: simple, powerful and based on economic class
i’d say that the movement, above all, is anti-corporatist and that gets to the root of what ails us
I’m gonna laugh when you end up eating those words. The direction of these protests seems to be heading in the opposite direction. They are picking up steam and adding locations and people rather than losing steam.
If I were in the upper 1%(which I’m not)I’d be worried. A thousand people here and a thousand people there are not something that can easily be ignored ad infinitum.
Yeah but then Wall Streets 1% would really be worried because there would be nothing standing between them and the unruly masses marching up to their offices and demanding they pay their fair share.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
First on-site GA has been moved to 7:45.
20 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Maybe they have “too much time on their hands” because they can’t find jobs due to the destruction brought to our economy by Wall Street.
From Global Revolution live stream …
Legal Services Staff Association (union) present.
Very funny “station id” clip. It’ll come back around again. Watch for it.
On the marquee …
He has a valid point in that those on the top of the power structure will try to lull some of those at the bottom that “aw shucks, they are just like us and on our side’ and they won’t have a single problem with using people to try to corral dissent, people like Trumka who feed off the top just as easily as they feed off the bottom.
BackEast is angry at racism, which is very real, and that includes on the left. His anger is justified. It might not be productive, but it’s justified.
I like FDL. But what percentage of its readership is white? What percentage of the left, period, is white? The left is often not a very hospitable place for people who don’t fit a certain white and well-educated mold.
Personally, I would leave BackEast alone. Let him vent. He’s not hurting you anyway. If you have to go after someone, I’ll drop some of my parecon bombs and let you go after me.
The 1% are going to have to make a choice – support at least limited peaceful reforms, or someday the REAL peasant mobs will be at the gates of their fortified mansions.
I’s a question of calculating the odds… do they give a little now, or risk losing it all someday?
There’s a novel idea! Let people exercise their 1st Amendment rights without the constant threat of arrest or harassment!
From Global Revolution live stream …
Individual wearing Cop Watch t-shirt stating police are running rampant through Black, Asian and Latino communities and asks for solidarity with those communities from the General Assembly.
These protests have unbelievable momentum. They have caught fire. Organized labor and the left-wing establishment (i.e. Sanders) will not be able to straitjacket them. Especially because organized labor (at least in the private sector) and “progressive” Dems have become so incredibly weak.
If you don’t follow David Waldman on twitter, you’re missing out. Hilarious guy.
Not MY problem.
From Global Revolution live stream …
Some victims of police brutality being named.
“Free Mumia” sign and speaker asking for solidarity from the General Assembly with political prisoners and Mumia Abu-Jamal.
Reverend Billy (Brooklyn, NY) says, “Revo-lujah!”
Yep, personally I’m breaking out the popcorn. The top is reaping what they sowed. If you keep taking and taking without giving back and replenishing than eventually those that have given and given are eventually going to ask “What about me?” It’s human nature. The selfishness will end, either voluntarily or very, very badly. Frankly, if I were them I’d choose voluntarily. Then again, I’m not a Wall Street idiot who thought it was a good idea to give people hundreds of thousands of dollars without any thought as how to pay it back or cheered every time a job got outsourced because it meant payroll savings. Wall Street seems to be a special kind of stupid.
Some provacateurs:
Catnip for the corporate media. “Mike check” (public microphone) is necessary to keep tactical discipline.
They needed to throw crumbs out several months ago when it came to raising taxes. They didn’t. People are becoming wise to the duplicity of the “two party” system.
For every one person in the streets, I’d be willing to bet there are 5 who without the constraints of time, money or location would be out there marching beside those at Wall Street. Eventually though, with reports out today that state that American workers lost pay and reports of prices rising on food and fuel, we’re probably looking at a tipping point for Americans.
LS:
Yeah OK, I’m white but on the upper end of working class, as in I don’t have to worry about starving or freezing, but I’m afraid in 20 years I’ll end up dying homeless in an alley or something, as I’ve watched my whole life that the future horizon gets more and more constricted as my family fell from middle class downwards.
But I agree that it needs to be put in perspective… minorities put up with poverty and police brutality all the time. I live near just about the poorest and most gang-ridden small city in the state, Newburgh NY. There has been anger there for decades, but again and again hopes have been dashed as politicians just take their votes and nothing seems to be done that benefits the ordinary people. It’s easy to see this leading to cynicism.
Historically, it is never the poorest and most desperate that revolt first, as they are too concerned with everyday survival.
It’s people who have enough to worry about losing it that always start revolutions.
The real trick is bringing in the rest of the people so everybody has a voice it benefits everybody, and historically the record is not all that encouraging.
You’re missing the point. The police are there because the 1% on Wall Street is worried. It isn’t a bad thing, it’s a good thing. It means they are watching and can see this isn’t going well. That’s why you have people like Bloomberg essentially saying “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, I am the great and powerful Oz.” In a democracy, eventually voices need to be heard. The mask is coming off. And not a minute too soon IMO.
I feel you. I don’t have anywhere close to the same standard of living my parents had. They had good union jobs, and I have straight (albeit coffee-stained) teeth because of it.
My point was just that BackEast is pissed because the left is too white, and people are mistaking his anger about that as disapproval of the ongoing Wall Street action. BackEast himself may think he disapproves, but to me it just feels like he’s pissed about racism which, again, is justifiable — even if the particular mode in which he’s expressing it isn’t completely productive.
It’s allowing him to vent, and God knows I know all about needing to vent. So I always try to be big enough to take it when someone needs to use me for their anger-spewing catharsis. I just try never to let it get to me, because I’ve been there.
it was snark, not missing the point. i guess i should have put a snark tag.
i haven’t hardly watched the livestream, until now with the police protest. i’m very heartened by the energy of the crowd.
@OccupyDenver OccupyDenver
Hey we need some on ground reporters to let our followers know what’s up at camp, any of our media team on ground right meow?
25 minutes ago via CoTweet
“too white?” With all due respect I don’t think ANYONE should have to apologize for their skin color. It isn’t a factor that anyone gets a say over.
i agree that there’s a risk of seduction by the ptb
i believe, however, that an alliance between the left (who i think these occupiers are) and labor is vital for progressivism to succeed
whether this happens via the unions in whole or part seems ok to me
hey, those union guys are desperate for somebody to be on their side
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
LOTS of honking horns of support!!!
18 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
From Thursday night, right after the march in solidarity with Troy Davis:
So far these groups have done well. They haven’t allowed anyone to co opt the message and instead seem to be saying they are willing to share it with groups like labor. Overall, I’ve been impressed.
I’d say it is wrong to suggest the crowd is not diverse. For the past days, I have seen many people of different ethnicities, backgrounds and skin color down in Liberty Park. They are connecting with those who are in poverty. Could they do more? Sure. And if you are seriously interested in them doing more, get down to the Park and get up and speak. The crowd is nothing but receptive.
From Global Revolution live stream …
Signs:
“Less Jobs = More Occupations”
“No Bulls, No Bears, Only Pigs”
Chant with a cow bell: “All day, all week, occupy Wall Street!”
I agree with that. It has been impressive.
I think BackEast is just spitting out talking points from the PTB. I’ve been paying attention to all the protests since they began and i’ve seen much more than young white kids marching.
And the left is predominantly white? So then who do the other races support because they certainly don’t support the right?
Of course most of the MOTUs on both sides are white. That’s the nature of the history of this country and what will take decades to change. But to say that because most of the leaders of the party and most of the talking heads on the left are white that that means the left is too white is nonsense. The ideals and core principles of the left are anything but too white.
Way to go everyone. W00t!!! Keep it up & stand up for your rights!!!
Great reporting and thanks!
Maybe they will come to your house and take what you have in order to get lunch money? Perhaps you should count your blessings that they are not more focused right now. Just sayin’ . . . I guess you’ve never really thought about what millions would do when they run out of the necessities of life.
LOL. He’s a hero of the revolution!!! Finally, a “nobody could have anticipated” that makes me smile instead of weep.
Oh, and that’s Bah-LONE-yah, rhymes with, “I think I OWN ya.”
Just going to repost the links to the Twitter lists if anybody else wants to do some monitoring:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
I’ve been watching beaucoup live feed and related videos since #OccupyWallStreet started. I see a lot of diversity even including angry Wall Streeters now screaming “Get A Job!” The media team is getting better and better at capturing the diversity but I’m sure they won’t turn down translator services, so folks with those skills can be involved in that on-site.
@SabzBrach Joanne Michele
Trying to get a pic of the massive #OccupyEverything banner for @Ghostpickles.
6 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
I caught a glance of that someplace, and I was impressed!
Someone said FDL is too white? Really? How would anyone know? I hate assumptions.
It’s in the 4:45 blog update up top.
I’m heartened by the discipline of the crowd. I makes it safer for more people to feel they can participate.
@OccupyBOI #OccupyBOI
People are already showing up for Boise’s first GA! #wearethe99 #OccupyBOI #Occupy
8 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
If he wants to talk about an issue who exactly is stopping him from talking about it? I have yet to see a single worker shout down someone who wanted to talk about the plight of 99%(which by the way would by very definition include most every ethnicity). The people on Wall Street have a right to their complaints and should not have to drop theirs to take up his and there is absolutely nothing stopping him from adding his voice and proclaiming “I am one of the 99% of this country being left behind.”
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
GA in 3 minutes. On the grass btwn T entrances and big weird structure (can’t wait til we name that thing!).
1 minute ago via Twitter for iPhone
I agree with you. But I don’t think we’re addressing the same thing. Overall, the U.S. left is a white left — not just in actual makeup, but also in culture and values. It’s also a coordinator-class left (in culture and values), meaning it’s more like a university classroom than a working-class bar. That’s off-putting to many folks. My own cultural background is white, but it’s that of a white working-class watering hole, not a white university classroom.
Even the way I’m communicating with you now is that of a well-educated white person. I’ve got two masters degrees; I’m well-educated, and I can talk that talk. But my conversations, say, every Saturday morning at Kroger with the 42-year-old woman who staffs the U-scan lane go much differently. She’s not well-educated. She’s never heard of FDL, and probably wouldn’t visit the site if I mentioned it to her.
Instead, I ask her about her upcoming (second) marriage, or I remind her that the Steelers are better then the Bengals (in which case she reminds me that Green Bay beat Pittsburgh when last they played).
It’s just not a working-class left, and it’s not very congenial to those whose culture is working-class culture. I used to think the left’s hostility to parecon was all just because lefties didn’t want to work balanced job complexes and get their hands dirty. Then I realized that, while there is that, it’s also cultural.
The left just doesn’t want to hang out with people who drink Old Milwaukee and watch pro wrestling.
But I am also a white guy, and my culture is white. I wear my pants up. If I wear a hat (which I never do) it is straight. I wear no gold chains. The music I listen to is mostly rock, not rap. The churches I went to involved a much more passive congregation. And so on.
There are cultural differences between the well-educated and the non-well-educated, and there are cultural differences between white and black. And there are cultural differences combining the two. You can also factor in gender, which I haven’t even touched on yet.
But basically, the culture of the left is a culture of white, well-educated people. I am highly sensitive to the well-educated / coordinator-class part of it, because of my roots. My dad drove a truck (UPS) and my mom worked in a factory building cash registers (NCR). No one else in my family ever went to college, but I was so smart, I almost had to go. Now I don’t really fit in either world, but that’s okay because I can make friends almost anywhere I go.
I worked for three years as a nurse aide (different from a nurse), which is a job that literally requires you to clean up shit for a living. Not uncoincidentally, it’s also largely a black woman’s job (at least in the city; in the country I’m sure it’s poor white women). I like to think I can see the cultural differences and appreciate them.
But I’m still white, and so is the left. I’m glad FDL is here. I’m glad Jane does what she does. I’m glad we have the left that we have (and it is, of course, much more and bigger than FDL). But it’s still a white left. It’s also a coordinatorist, well-educated left. That’s just the way it is.
I harp on parecon because I see no other way to liberate the working class. But in addition to parecon, it will also be necessary for the left to become much more multi-cultural. Just because you have friends from university who were international students from Africa doesn’t make the left multi-cultural.
You don’t have to like the culture of blacks from the hood, or whites who live in trailer parks (it’s no lie to say I’m half white trash, as the entire mother’s side of my family all lives in a bunch of trailers on the same hill with one driveway). But you have to accept this in yourself. It’s okay to be who you are. You just have to be honest with yourself which is, incidentally, also how you beat alcoholism, which is something else I have experience with.
Honesty in all things, all the time. That’s the key. In this case, that honesty means accepting that your culture and your values are not the same as many other people’s — and that’s okay; I’m not saying make it wrong or guilt trip yourself or beat yourself up. But understand that it affects how others perceive you.
In the case of the left, it makes it largely irrelevant in the lives of poor and working-class whites and blacks, though for different reasons in each case. It’s fixable, but not without honesty and humility.
Woot!
Can you imagine a man on the left saying what you’ve said about a woman who is reluctant to speak?
You know who, proportionally speaking, has been screwed the most economically for the last few decades?
The “regular” upper class… just as the 1% seems to have sucked wealth upwards from the 99%, the 0.01% and 0.001% have sucked wealth from the 1%.
I think I read it in “Winner-Take-All Politics” in the part about the actual wealth distribution in the country, vs. the delusion that most people are taught to believe in.
It’s not the guy making $100k or $200k who is the real concern, but the guy making $2 million or $20 million or $2 BILLION (as some hedge fund managers have almost done). It goes all the way up to only 400 families that control as much wealth as the bottom 50% of the entire US population.
I quoted Glen Ford earlier. He said largely the same thing, at least about the initial makeup of the action.
I hadn’t looked at Ford’s piece before, but BackEast made me want to see what Ford had to say. So I looked for it. I was mildly surprised.
Ford is hardly a member of the PTB.
“Honesty in all things, all the time.” I agree, that’s the key. Lies and dishonesty enable ALL the bad stuff.
Actually, in one post I said the left (not FDL) was too white, and in another I asked what percentage of FDL’s readership is white. The first statement is true, and the second thing is … just a question.
Yeah, if it’s moving out into the “heartland” and not just high-population major cities, it’s a great development/
Idaho?
Whoodathunkit?
Well if Alabama is getting together, why shouldn’t Idaho?
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
Mid-interview with vocolo (@WBEZ) thousands of bikes ride by en masse in support. #OccupyChicago indeed. #solidarity twitpic.com/6t2ryv
Kids with huge student loan debt and no job prospects, more likely. And yes, their parents must be VERY proud.
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
We are trying a different phone for better stream quality. Same channel. Different phone. Ustream.tv/channel/OccupyChicago
Occupy Boston General Assembly
Awesome.
@PWeiskel08 Paul Weiskel
#occupyboston has it’s first GA! Fucking huge crowd! #occupywallstreet twitvid.com/O4XOD
Just to clarify, imagine you’re at a bar with a bunch of drunk white guys. How comfortable are you in speaking? Probably not very; that’s not your culture.
A black at a white march is more likely to be uncomfortable. A woman in a group of men, a worker in a group of managers — whatever. It’s easy to imagine situations in which an otherwise confident person might feel hesitant to speak up.
If we reject blaming the victim when it comes to rape (as we should), I think we should also reject not seeing the situation when it comes to some people’s quietness. Personal confidence is more important than situational confidence, chiefly because the latter is by definition a very fluid thing — for all of us.
#occupyboston just got a drive by from Critical Mass! Thank you!
@OccupyDenver OccupyDenver
Hey guys if you haven’t been designated as a reporter, you can still report from camp. Plz let us know who wants to citizens journal?
7 minutes ago via CoTweet
@jackieeejackie Jackie
@OccupyDenver camp down there now? Heading out again tomorrow but sooner if we can sleep on grass.
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@OccupyTampa Occupy Tampa
Tips for Occupy Tampa 10/1/11: – Prepare a backpack with essentials (water, snacks, sunscreen, etc.) – If you’re… fb.me/1aayB8BbR
Didn’t someone say yesterday that Tulsa was forming a group for occupation? That’s really going into the belly of the beast.
Uh they said it ALL THROUGH 2008 and during the health care debate. Do you have a point?
The idea that I should tippytoe around racism so someone doesn’t call me a racist is absurd and I refuse to do so.
Another 50 people – Boston style
One thing to notice is that a number of heartland Occupy [location] groups are being started by Ron Paul supporters. Watch this to see if it is a fluke or a strategy.
good idea!
Like EFCA.
Autopia strikes back.
First off, I reject the idea that 99% of this country is one particular culture which is what this movement has expressed it is speaking for “99%”
Second off, people make choices. You can choose to stay silent because it is more comfortable and choose fear(of being rejected by those different than you are) or you can stand up and say what you feel needs to be said with courage.
If you choose the first choice then don’t expect the second group to apologize to you for your choice.
Having spent a few years working in the IT sector, I’m glad technology has finally reached the point of being used to empower people, instead of controlling them.
However, must always keep in mind that all centralized modes of communication (Twitter, FaceBook, etc) are ultimately under the control of money-making corporations that can be subject to pressure from the PTB…
My point is this: It’s okay to be a racist (or classist, or sexist). It’s not okay to not be honest about it, at least with yourself.
I don’t know if you’re a racist. You probably have racism inside you, but that’s a guess based on the fact that I think we all have some classism, racism, and sexism inside of us — myself included. I don’t think it’s possible to grow up and live in this society without picking some of that stuff up along the way.
But that’s okay. It’s okay to be classist, racist, and sexist — just like it’s okay to be an alcoholic. What’s not okay is not being honest — at least with yourself, but preferably with others too if you’re able to do it — about all these things that live inside you.
No, let’s find out where they are, first. Labor didn’t start this, but they are adding muscle. They must see something they like. Let’s not automatically assume they want to co-opt the movement. Things are different now. This is 2011, after the 2008 crash.
Well, actually, I hate the “99%” monicker — but I know that’s a fight that’s not worth trying to have right now (which is not a comment directed at you).
There are a few strands of libertarian thought I can sympathize with, but I agree that must be on the lookout for possible attempts to take control or split the movement.
I remember reading someplace months ago that Ron Paul and Ralph Nader were going to try to attempt some “wraparound” alliance… if you move far enough right or left, you meet on the far side of the circle from the controlling PTB.. wonder if anything ever came of it?
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That would be good news. Then it would become the workers vs the money.
A unifying cause that bridges the God, guns and gays division and focuses on Jobs and money.
By the way, your speaking to someone who worked as a Kroger cashier(and as a walmart cashier and csm). :p
I think too often people with alot of classroom experience discount the intelligence of those who never darkened the door of an educational institution(which I have thanks to the GI bill). You actually learn alot by just attempting to “survive” jobs like the above. You should try and talk to that cashier, you’d probably find you have more in common in regards to concerns than not(not that I’d expect her to be too loud on her political beliefs in a place of business.)
I am confused, Kevin, why you wrote in this daily blog that
That couldn’t be further from the truth, as far as I know.
I am happy the unions are involved, but they did not start this.
Please, correct me if I’m wrong.
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
GA AT MILLENNIUM PARK. CROWD TOO LARGE FOR SIDEWALK AT THE FED.
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@jeffrae Jeff Rae
#occupyWallStreet critical mass stopped by police. People show up chanting in support and police let them go!
7 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Consider this. In the 1970s, economic justice types used to talk about the 85% and the 15%. Meaning the “developed” world and the “developing” world. You could probably then talk in those terms about inequality of power within the US in the same way.
Now, that’s the 99% and the 1%. But now that has more resonance with ordinary nonpolitical folks. In a way that the 1970s formula did not. Very few of my neighbors think they are in anything but the 99%. The middle class now sees where it is in the scheme of things much differently. Not since the era of the Great Depression has that been true.
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Yes, but it is the bluest part of a red state! There is a great group of young progressives there, actually. I was lucky enough to work with them when we tried to defeat that dinosaur Inhofe and elect Andrew Rice.
Go Tulsa!
It may be the belly of the beast, but it is a hidden treasure. I miss you, Midtown!
With all due respect it isn’t OKAY to be racist, sexist or classist IMO. It’s how the upper 1% has maintained their power by allowing and exploiting people’s fear of those that are different than they are and doing everything they can to ensure we resent each other while they pillage.
People have value regardless of race, gender, or education level. It’s up to each individual to find the value in each other. I’ve learned alot and gained by not letting myself be boxed in to just groups that I would “fit” into. My nephew wouldn’t even be alive today if my sister or her significant other entertained the idea that it is “okay” to judge someone as too ethnic(white or black take your pick)
What happens is you move from terms of right and left to terms of state and liberty. From economic or class framing to the out and out power relationships of a security state. That’s where the commonality is. Politics never was a spectrum; that’s just the way it was framed.
Ah! That is wrong! Let me edit. I have to edit that now. That could not be more untrue. That is a terrible typo.
Tulsa and Houston (and maybe Wichita KS) might be the most critical places to occupy.
No, you’re totally on a wrong approach.
This is an inchoate social movement. It is not a time to talk about labor corruption issues just because some labor unions have decided to back the inchoate social movement.
Labor’s involvement can only be a good thing, to my mind. They bring organized support.
Labor did not start this movement. Labor had nothing to do with the beginnings of this movement, I’m pretty sure. You need not be concerned.
Labor is our friend and partner.
Man this is beautiful–@LukeRudkowski
Oh and Eric I live in a paid for trailer, next door to a perfectly lovely African American family on one side and a hispanic family across the road. Hooray for diversity.
I don’t believe in calling anyone trash even if I can and do disagree with some of the actions of those I see around me.
The golden rule growing up was treat others as you wish to be treated. It was one of the few positive things I got out of my childhood(extremely rough upbringing).
As I said, I worked as a nurse aide for three years making $11 and hour — which was actually good money. I worked at an IGA for three years while in high school and college, then a few years later I worked at Kroger after I’d graduated. I talk to the cashier all the time. I look forward to seeing her. I had a mad crush on her at one time and I tried asking her out about three different times, but she was already betrothed.
I agree completely about the things you CAN’T learn from inside the classroom. I’m a huge believer in education, but if you really want to learn how the world works, punch a time clock — not just for walking-around money while you’re still living at home, but to put food on your table and pay your rent after you’ve moved out. I’ve done both.
I say constantly to people that just because you’ve read Rousseau or Aristotle’s Poetics doesn’t mean you know that much. If you really want to know how the world (or at least the company you work for) works, ask a janitor. They usually know more about the actual operations of the company than the CEO — despite the fact they’ve never read Candide or Chaucer.
I’m not dismissing you, and I’m not attacking you. I do, however, think you may have some racism inside you that you need to acknowledge. I may be wrong, but if I’m right, notice what I’m NOT saying. I’m NOT saying you should guilt-trip yourself or make your feelings wrong. I’m just saying be honest with yourself about it — which is the same advice I give to everyone about all things.
Oh, the Kroger cashier and I both agree that management are invariably a bunch of condescending assholes who don’t know as much as they think they do, but you have to do what they say if you want to eat.
Note to everyone else: Those managers? That’s the coordinator class. The only way to get rid of them is with parecon. But you first must see them as a separate class within the economy.
Bravo. Thank you for your ongoing coverage of this history making event. Hope to get down there tomorrow. Lawrence O’Donnell is one mainstream tv media voice to cover this as well. AFL-CIO endorsed. Pilots endorsed. Wow!! Just amazing.
If you say it’s not okay, you’re making your feelings wrong, which is a recipe for misery. You should never make your feelings wrong.
Better an inchoate social movement than one with the kind of organization a Richard Trumka would provide.
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Out of general paranoia, I have just opted out of letting B&N consolidate my Borders purchase records (they bought the customer records) into their system and match with my B&N purchase records. Make it a tiny bit harder for Big Brother to aggregate data and profile me.
Folks who had Borders Rewards membership will get the notification email.
The value of this movement is in providing an alternative environment to that of the corporate media for making political decisions, which might just make next year’s election less irrelevant. What will kill it is when a particular political party succeeds in co-opting it; the fight that will occur then will reduce its power to deal with the PtB. Guess what the PtB will be trying to do. The present calm is just a period of repressive tolerance. Hoping that the underlying chaos of human life and relationships will take its toll. And the easiest way to do that would be to have libertarianist types fight against the fact that the process of decision-making is highly structured.
you’re joking right?
Nothing more than jealousy. Maybe A little more hard work and a little less bitching and moaning and these punks would have the quality of life so many others enjoy. Just pure laziness, that is what happened not some takeover by the rich.
The shelves at your local grocer must be awfully low on tinfoil
BE VERY WARY OF UNION LEADERSHIP. THEY HAVE MOSTLY ALIGNED WITH MANAGEMENT TO CUT WAGES AND BENEFITS IN THE NAME OF “SAVING JOBS.” THEY’VE SCREWED THE RANK AND FILE AT UAW, TOLD PEOPLE TO GO HOME IN WISCONSIN WHEN THERE WAS TREMENDOUS “MO” AND BROKE THE SPIRITS OF THE VERIZON WORKERS!!!
Hey now, I was trying to stick up for you, but you’re making my job difficult!
Oh heck.
*punts*
I want you to go to the poorest neighborhood you can find and explain that idea to them. We’ll all visit you in the hospital.
Bingo.
Not a teeny tiny bit. I wouldn’t judge someone for their skin color anymore than I would judge someone for their eye color. I spent a year in the Philippines and heard some people opine how they were better than the bar girls and it made me sick to my stomach. People don’t get to choose where they are born. They don’t get to choose what they look like. They only get to choose how they act and even there I trend towards lenient(as I hope others would be with me) because I haven’t walked a mile in other people’s shoes. I mostly try to spend my time fixing myself rather than judging others.
Holy shit! is that for real?
I’m making my way through the comments for this day.
Pls check yourself. You are on a wrong track.
I spend more time in these neighborhoods than you can ever believe. And you know what there are a ton of good honest people that are working to put food on the table rather than playing hooky in NYC while their parents pay their cell phone bill.
Malcolm Harris: Occupied Wall Street: Some Tactical Thoughts
–Jacobin magazine
The thoughts are worth thinking about, The dismissive tone does not become someone of the “very successful” US left.
Mainly, I think the PTB that are aware of this are just waiting to see if it just fizzles out, or grows into something big enough to be worth trying to co-opt.
That will be the first REAL “then they fight you” phase.
One way to make this harder is for it to grow so fast the PTB are far behind the curve of developments.
“When the People Lead, the Leaders Follow” or words to that effect.
Some feelings aren’t productive. Our brains are wired to put things in boxes because it is a survival trait. However, recognizing it is now counterproductive to survival. Our divisions are being utilized to plunder. The top already owns alot. We can’t afford to spend the rest of our time bickering over who truly deserves the crumbs.
Someplace, somebody is monitoring this web page and trying to aggregate data to identify who and where we are in the physical world.
If we actually lived in a free society it wouldn’t matter.
What are they going to do when they find you? and will they take you away in their spaceship?
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Again, check out http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston . Also, http://www.occupyboston.com
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Or grow slow enough to boil a frog. Or both at the same time. There is a lot of preparation in these actions before they become visible locally. And by that, I mean before there are tweets for participation, logistics, the establishment of a Facebook and Twitter page and a web site for minutes.
So that when it does gain visibility the numbers are there to protect it. And all of the communication about it after it gains visibility comes with an increasing amount of noise.
You might want to go to the We are 99% website before making that statement. The stories there are heartbreaking. A whole generation is being shorted due to the greed of Wall Street.
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
We aren’t talking lazy slackers. We are talking highly educated people, veterans, and those that lost their job in the crash.
You sound like that crazy old guy screaming “get off my lawn you crazy no good kids” when you charecterize thousands of people as “bunch of kids playing hooky.”
Well first they will put me on a list of “potential subversives” and then engage in warrantless wiretapping of my communications and put a GPS tracker on my car (also without a warrant).
Then if say I go the public library and say borrow a book on the French Revolution or something they will kick in my door and ransack my place for more “evidence.”
No we’re not quite at that point yet, but the state already has all the laws, tools, and methods to do just about anything they want to anybody, regardless of minor things like the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It is all part of their apparatus of putting fear into the people to keep them in line.
Meh
Let em datamine. O doubt knowing that I like oreos per my facebook account is going to help them much.
Paul Harris: Occupy Wall Street protesters march against police brutality
- Guardian
OT– From “FNX Native Television Channel Launches” (Indian Country Today Media Network, Sept. 27, 2011):
“Michael Bucher to Perform Free Concert in Name of Native Youth Suicide” (Indian Country Today Media Network, Sept. 29, 2011)
“Video: Aboriginals and Other Oil Sands Opponents Explain their Position” (Indian Country Today Media Network, Sept. 28, 2011)
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
We believe that we are 1000 people here tonight.
8 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
GA under way. pritzker pavilion. largest crowd ever. approx 300 people. find the live stream. -micah
20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
I’m surprised how many are showing up in other cities. Like I said before, when we had solidarity actions during the anti-corporate-globalization movement, it was much smaller numbers and only for a day or two, as were the main protests.
Does anyone know the number of cities involved now?
@OccupyKC OccupyKC
Nightfall on Day 1 of #OccupyKC, and the world looks different somehow. Mark my words: there’s nothing that can stop this freight train now.
8 minutes ago via web
I rough counted about 70 US locations on
http://www.occupytogether.org/
but a lot of them are probably only at the initial organizing stages.
TY
“largest march so far” NYC and other tweets.
Far out, on day 14. And going on in other places, Buffalo-NY, Austin-Texas, California, Atlanta, Boise-Idaho, Boston, Philadelphia, others…
How could I forget Chicago! There’a a tweet from KC — not sure which Kansas City – Missouri or Kansas…
This is an amazing, terrific, stupendous development. Very positive, very encouraging.
@DustinSlaughter Dustin M. Slaughter
@SabzBrach We didn’t move the tarp to cover the bags. FUCK FUCK #OccupyWallStreet
25 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
It’s a complete downpour in NYC, I think some sleeping bags got left out.
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
Flier for Union Workers & Community Members march to Zuccotti Park on Wed, Oct 5 at 4.30pm. See you there. twitpic.com/6t3t2q
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Current speaker: if you can’t come to Occupy Boston, organize on your own street corner. Speak out yourself.
20 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@DustinSlaughter Dustin M. Slaughter
RT @SabzBrach: @DustinSlaughter @kennethlipp Aw, a mystery someone tarped our stuff. #thankshippies
10 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
Yay!!! for everybody looking out for each other!
It really doesn’t matter what you think. The population in general is becoming aware, finally, of the true nature of the mentality that people like you have, and the tools and mechanisms that have been used to deliberately keep regular people down, no matter how willing they are to work hard. People like you are about to reap the whirlwind. Hold onto your hat.
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I’m gonnaa have to reboot comp here as the Twitter feeds are locking me up.
Links to Twitter lists in post# 130.
I completely agree, but please share your sentiment on Twitter, on http://www.occupywallst.org. Very few, if any, ppl at OWS read this site regularly. Unions can help bring people out and give it some credibility, but we should not be dependent on them or let them gain control for exactly the reasons you said. These are not IWW type unions, they’re Democratic Party aligned and have been for decades.
A benefit that OWS has over Madison is Democrats, and the “independent” Bloomberg, are in charge in NYC. Madison from the beginning was painted as being an uprising against Republicans in power who had gone too far, too fast.
KC – it’s both. They are planning the occupation of a park across from the KC branch of the Federal Reserve.
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Yup. The NE has been hit with some shitty, momentum killing weather lately. The fact this carries on and the numbers grow despite the shitty weather is incredible in itself. I believe Boston and Chicago have had similar weather issues, but their numbers keep growing.
Be careful with IRC. It shows your exact Internet address to everyone when you join.
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Perhaps they will get a job?
And where would this mythical job be?
You deliberately lied about the size of the demonstration today. Don’t waste my time.
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@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Cops coming from everywhere.
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@OccupyBeantown OccupyBeantown
Marching thru downtown crossing!!! Over 400 ppl!!! #OccupyBoston @OccupyTogether @OccupyWallStNYC @Occupy_Boston
26 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Most of the group went on the march; not sure if cops at march or camp.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Thanks to Nadeem for handling that brilliantly. Cops here to help woman who fainted. Thanks @Boston_Police !!
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
Still raining hard here at #occupywallstreet. Local fox news packed it up pretty quick. I still see two nbc 4 trucks. Not sure about others
3 minutes ago via Seesmic
What is the big deal with all the media celebs? One of the purposes of the Occupy movement is to take the political power over political narrative from these celebs and restore it to people talking with each other.
The movement does not need them to interpret. It needs them to listen and watch.
The logical fallacy today is reporting automatically jumps to opinion before reporting sufficient data for people to make a judgment. That rigs the debate.
Great video from earlier today. TONS of people at One police Plaza. Amazing energy and visuals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZW4SgUMqlg
Person recording the video suggests the weather is suspicious. Not sure about that, but who of us really knows? All we can do is keep fighting.
@OccupySanJose OccupySanJose
There will be a Legal Observer at #OccupySJ. Learned a few things about San Jose protest related laws… Muahahahahaha! #OWS #BringTent
8 minutes ago via web
@OccupySanJose OccupySanJose
1) Amplified sound is ALLOWED in commercial or public spaces 2)MARCH as long as we follow traffic laws stay on sidewalk #OWS #OccupySJ
7 minutes ago via web
@OccupySanJose OccupySanJose
#OWS #OccupySJ
3) We can #OCCUPY City Hall Plaza between the fountain & Santa Clara. Oh, and the #bringtent hashtag is applicable
3 minutes ago via web
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/09/3561383/who-believes-print-newspapers-have-future-occupy-wall-street-journal
This is getting huge.
I suspect they’ll either need to find a location with more space, not sure where in that area, or split into at least 2 GA’s. If this continues to grow, there can be GA’s in major parks all through NYC and the boroughs.
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@Occupy_USA Occupy_USA
Sacramento: heading to ABC NEWS 10 to do an interview fir #Occupy Sacramento!!!!! yaaaaaaay… on.fb.me/pyxQaZ
#usrevolution
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Rain
The way I look at it at this point, if they want to cover it or help, good for them. If they don’t report on it one night or are not physically present at the protests, or not present enough, it doesn’t matter at this point. They have their own lives and priorities, we don’t need them to make this happen. The power and access they have can backfire on us if they choose to exploit the movement for their own partisan or personal agenda as well.
@kennethlipp Kenneth Lipp
Occupy Phoenix? The Weather is Agreeable and the Bastards Need a Kick in the Ass tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archi…
#OccupyPhoenix
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http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2011/09/30/occupy-phoenix-the-weather-is-agreeable-and-the-bastards-need-a-kick-in-the-ass
Think the MOTU are getting a bit nervous? I do. And I hope that all these great people who are demonstrating will be available for appearances at campaign stops when it really gets rolling.
I hope you mean to protest (both parties), not endorse or protest one but not the other.
This will certainly put a damper on Obama’s “I Get It” faux populist re-election campaign. The people who helped drive the grassroots energy for his first election got screwed (by both parties in different ways over decades) and are now taking to the streets.
What campaign stops?
Certainly both parties. I blame the Dems for this mess more than I blame Rs. The Rs did what they always do and we all know it. The Dems did absolutely nothing to stop them when they had the power to call a halt. A pox on both parties.
FWIW
The only issue with focusing on the parties is the other party will use it to their advantage, making those participating feel like puppets who helped another party. We need to stick to the root of the problem. This democracy is a joke at this point, has been for decades, most Americans who are not caught up in the spectator sport aspect of it (“my team rules!”) understand this, so time to focus on the real masters of the universe, not their puppets in government. Well, it’s probably not that big of a deal. In the end, the more people out working together, protesting the PTB/MOTU, politicians and the 1%, the better chance we have of truly moving this country in a positive direction for once.
I wish that Van Jones would marry me.
I don’t know how to bring Wall Street down without the Congress passing laws to stop them. Nothing would make me happier than to see Bank of America crash but I can only influence that by getting votes to rein them in.
oh wait, I am like way older than Mr. Jones and I am spoken for. What was i thinking. He was great on Bill Maher.
There are two sites planned for occupy D.C.
October2011.org is the Freedom Plaza site planned for 10/6. This is the larger of the two planned occupations.
Occupydc.org starts tomorrow, 10/1, at McPherson Square (14th St. NW and K St. NW, which anyone in DC knows is accessible from the Metro Red line (Farragut North) or Orange and Blue (McPherson Sq).
notes from the occupydc web site: the Freedom Plaza location is
◦Easy for police to corner people there .. not many exit opportunities
◦Slab of stone vs soil
◦No shade (those with laptops can appreciate)
The McPherson Square location will be following General Assembly format:
Before then we need as many people as possible to familiarize themselves with the General Assembly rules: http://takethesquare.net/2011/07/31/quick-guide-on-group-dynamics-in-peoples-assemblies
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
He will hear us eventually. “@AJStream: What will it take to get #Obama’s attn? #ows #ajstream @Occupy_Boston @occupywichita @OccupyLA”
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Sadly somebody still thinks Obama will save us…
Maybe if he takes that corporate shill Biden off the ticket we might be convinced he’s paying any attention?
Isn’t he gorgeous! You can dream if you like.
Woo-hoo. Bit ridiculous for DC to wait for October2011 to start going out and “occupying” when so many cities across the US have already started. Glad they’re starting tomorrow.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Huge protest at the Federal People right now. Not sure what is happening.
21 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
We did not vote on this march in General Assembly. That’s why I don’t know what is happening.
9 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@zackyoungren Zack Youngren
@Occupy_Boston but people can get 5000 of their closest friends and march. Autonomous action. Cant condemn auto.action just for being it.
8 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@OccupySacto Occupy Sacramento
KXTV NEWS 10 tonight @ 11pm …. Anthony Bondi & I, Jeff Neves will have our interviews aired ….. please… fb.me/LCM00FQp
Boston is nearly as active as NYC at this point. NYC, Boston, Chicago, DC…the most important cities in terms of financial and political power.
Think I’ll have to sign off soon; here are the Twitter lists if anybody wants to monitor and post any notable events overnight:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
WARNING DO NOT CLICK LINK my browser plug in flags it as possibly hazardous
@iluvscoops silly girl
Check this out #occupy people. These are your heros?
That will be another thing to look out for, malware writers and cybercrooks will start using related terms in attempts to spread computer viruses etc.
Comes with becoming newsworthy.
@OccupyLexKy OccupyLexKy
Flikr pix posted Day 2 #occupy#occupyLexKy a good day reported with a great day scheduled tomorrow. BE THERE!
9 minutes ago via web
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Lots of human tarp teams here keeping critical supplies dry
21 minutes ago via txt
and the rain in NYC goes on and on and on…
@Ghostpickles poems
@Korgasm_ @SabzBrach @kennethlipp @not_me @an0nyc @DustinSlaughter @sonyazink miss you two!
19 minutes ago via web
It is my understanding @Ghostpickles has moved to Occupy Boston
@OccupyDenver OccupyDenver
RT SIGNING OFF FOLLOW REPORTERS @indigojourney @DjBStarr @mPastko @DonRhetorick @UserNameVerified and @RyanSlingerland Will still post pics
13 minutes ago via CoTweet
Guess that’s the Occupy Denver media team
@OccupyDenver OccupyDenver
RT DENVER GETS MASS MEDIA ATTENTION @EisMC2: Mass Media CONFIRMED for tomorrow’s @OccupyDenver and @denverusdor!!!! /via @OfficialRabbits
4 minutes ago via CoTweet
“Facts about Modern Warfare“:
In addition to the fact that the USG kills its own citizens with the technology without even bothering to file charges, have a trial and receive a verdict (EmptyWheel.Net, by bmaz, Sept. 30, 2011), note that in the film that military planners and their financial backers envision robot-to-robot warfare. Also, another application of robots by Central governments (most of them are acquiring drones) is for removing human labor from the equation in almost any industry. Note the land grabs (here and here). Have the bankstas already decided that large swaths of the Earth’s population are worth more dead than alive?
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Apparently noam chomsky will be here tomorrow to speak to protesters.
7 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
from Occupy Boston
OK if somebody else is here to perhaps keep the thread alive, I’ll be signing off for the night.
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
First time I’ve seen Kevin Zeese speak: http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/october2011-orgs-kevin-zeese-on-his-groups-affinity-with-occupy-wall-street
I like his closing sentences.
Paraphrasing: “In the middle ages, 2% owned 90% of the wealth, today 1% owns 95% of the wealth. It’s [the income inequality] worse than the middle ages. We’re serfs. It’s time for the serfs to revolt.”
I don’t like how Current cuts out video though, especially considering the channel is aligned with the Democratic Party.
Occupy Portland promotional video:
occupyportland.org/
just thought I’d pop in one last thing before some zzzzs:
@Korgasm_ K
The Fed to begin monitoring Fb & twitter… fcw.com/articles/2011/…
#scary #occupywallstreet #endthefed #wtfisgoingonUGH
25 minutes ago via Echofon
http://fcw.com/articles/2011/09/30/federal-reserve-wants-to-track-facebook-twitter-chatter.aspx
That’s Federal Computer Week, the “trade paper” of the government IT contracting sector.
“Complaints on Twitter or Facebook about jobs or rising food prices may become fodder for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s assessments of the world’s current economic conditions.
The bank has issued a request for proposals seeking a contractor to help gauge the nation’s economic mood by sampling conversations on social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and blogs.”
Probably an attempt to use analytical models to predict when either A) the global economy is about to collapse, and/or B) to predict when the peasant mobs will start marching.
I read about something similar shortly after the riots in Britain, how a complex enough computer model can aggregate all the little data points together and “sound Red Alert” when some critical threshold is approaching.
Odd how it’s put out for proposal now after the Federal Reserve has been so heavily criticized the last couple years… and the major force controlling the Fed is the banking industry…
Goooood Morning, Liberty Park!
I’m back home after driving Miss Daisy. I have kept up the best that I can the past three days. I’m so proud of you all!
OWS is waking up. LS will be up soon.
Day 2: Occupy Kansas City
How many are there?
Occupy Tampa
Occupy Tampa – Press Release
Kevin,
I know you have been extremely busy. Kudos on your appearances and many mentions. But, seriously Dude! I went and got one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1tSc0UNoVk&feature=related
In his discussion of the corporate media, there is one point that I wish that Kevin Zeese had made. That is: The campaign season is financially the corporate media’s equivalent of the retailers’ Christmas season. It is a seasonal bonanza. Why would they want it to stop?
That is true. They love the money and spin.
Another good Saturday song that portrays the real situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs&ob=av3e
Today’s live blog
I posted your Billy Joel song in the live blog for Saturday. I’ll run a Mellencamp tune later today. I don’t know if Authority Song is my pick. I may go with something much more contemporary.
“Troubled Land”