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(photo: OccupyTogether.org )Note: This intro has to do with events that happened yesterday, not the action that just unfolded on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Is the English rock band Radiohead responsible for the three to five thousand demonstrators that marched on NYPD headquarters yesterday evening? A rumor spread that the band was going to be playing for the activists in Liberty Park. Then, the band’s spokesperson denied they were playing. It was reported the band had intended to play but wanted to only play for the activists. Hundreds if not more than a thousand people showed up to the park for the band. The band never showed up but hundreds were now there for a march.
What is probably more responsible for the growth in numbers is the increased support from big unions, which the action is achieving. The march was also a silent anti-police brutality march, which probably led to a new section of Americans attending the demonstration.
Thousands poured into St. Andrews Plaza, Foley Square, the Municipal Building Arcade and 1 Broadway on Chambers Street. (They may have been in City Hall Park.) The police made a line at the top of the staircase that connects St. Andrews Plaza with Police Plaza. [h/t Cynthia Kouril]
When the crowd had gathered in front of the headquarters, they all sat down. Speakers stood up before the crowd and told the crowd about why they were in the plaza. But, there was one problem: the crowd was too big. That is a good problem but with no microphone or megaphone permitted they had to use “people’s mic” (which has been what the organizers use during their General Assemblies). The speaker could only say three or four words. The crowd immediately in front of the speaker would repeat what was said so everyone could hear. Then, a tier of people behind would repeat and then another tier of people behind that group would repeat what was said. Needless to say most of the speeches were brief.
The crowd left the plaza peacefully and went back to the park. There were no arrests. They all sat down in the park and around 1500 people participated in a General Assembly meeting, the largest attendance yet.
A little over an hour later, the occupation was hit with torrential rain. The occupiers rode the storm out but many were cold and in need of a hot beverage. In any other situation, they might have fled but messages from some of the occupiers show the kind of love and resolve that has been built in the past weeks. They weren’t about to run out of the park: one, because the NYPD might come in start seizing property and then possibly prevent the occupation from re-establishing itself. Two, it is a just a rain storm. They would survive and then the next day citizens from all over the world would see they had stuck it out and the occupiers could use support and donations to recover.
Everything indicates today’s march at 3 pm ET could have an even greater turnout. Ten thousand people could be there today. There could also be hundreds out in fifty to seventy other cities that have launched their own occupations.
FDL’s premier live blog continues. Here’s a Twitter list to follow for the latest updates on all things “occupy.”
LIVE STREAM FROM OCCUPY WALL STREET VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
10:32 PM Yet another example of the NYT‘s deference to power
10:45 PM “If Woody Guthrie were alive today, he’d have a lot to write about: high times on Wall Street and hard times on Main Street.”
10:25 PM An Alternet staffer’s firsthand account of being trapped on the bridge.
10:21 PM NYT reporter Natasha Lennard is let go by police
10:20 PM Yoko Ono shows her support
10:19 PM Read the New York Times report on the mass arrest. It is hard not to think this was a clear case of entrapment by NYPD.
10:15 PM Engage in resistance and you get fed.
9:54 PM BrooklynRider has a good series of videos up showing what happened on the bridge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_xpaX1PvVY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIrbdMStWyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pef2S39gRrQ
9:42 PM AP: 500 arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge
7:58 PM 72 people arrested, headed to 75th Precinct Station
7:56 PM Police arresting protesters
7:52 PM Video of protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge about to be arrested:
7:50 PM NickS reports:
Please make clear that the police setup the demonstrators. From talking to people before the match started, it was not my sense that a large number of people intended to be arrested. (thought we were all prepared with the NLG phone number, etc). When we got to the bridge, the police made no effort to keep people off the roadway even though they helped control traffic as we crossed the street.
7:45 PM Photos from during the march and the taking of the bridge:
(via @jopauca
(via @TheOther99)
(via @DustinSlaughter)
Shot of the entrance to the Brooklyn Bridge from Dustin Slaughter
City buses used by police to take protesters away. (via @lauradurkay)
7:10 PM
7:00 PM Reporter Ryan Devereaux has some of the best tweets on the protesters deciding to take Brooklyn Bridge and on what then unfolded:
4:47 PM This is the march on the Brooklyn Bridge (@AACina) :
I will be bringing you full updates on the march within the next hour. Stay tuned.
2:34 PM Crowd continues to grow. March is stepping off in twenty-five minutes. A report from Ryan Devereaux:
2:30 PM The first edition of the Occupy Wall Street Journal. (via @AlliMcCrack)
12:50 PM In case you missed it: National Nurses United supports —
10:50 AM Phoenix Woman’s post: “Come Saturday Morning: Common Ground”
10:36 AM NYT: “For all the bedraggled look of the mattress-and-sleeping-bag-strewn camp, it has a structure and routine.” — So they aren’t all that disorganized after all?
10:10 AM Fox News chopper camera captures the amazing crowd at NYPD headquarters yesterday
10:09 AM Support from Tahrir Square
10:08 AM Chomsky on Occupy Boston
10:07 AM Saturday morning tune: Billy Joel’s “Allentown,” a song that portrays the current situation in America (h/t PeasantParty)
10:05 AM Kevin Zeese, a lead organizer of October 2011 which involves a planned October 6 occupation in Washington, DC, on “Countdown”:
10:00 AM FDL’s The Dissenter featured in this NYT post on Occupy Wall Street – “Can You Hear Them Now?”
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Kevin,
Small nits to pick:
1) they were not at One Police Plaza, they were in St. Andrews Plaza, Foley Square, the Municiple Building Arcades, one broadway aon on Chambers Street. They may have been in City Hall Park as well, but I never saw a camera angle that let me see if they were.
The police made a line at the top of the staircase that connects St. Andrews Plaza with Police Plaza which is how I know they did not make it onto Police Plaza.
That was a hell of a lot of real estate to fill up and they looked to be crowded preety densely. You’d think at least one news outlet would have put up a helicopter to get an ariel shot. That was a huge amount of people.
See my Fox News chopper cam video I posted in the blog. I’ll make a correction. Thanks.
Great quote, Kevin.
Anyone know what this was about? The tweet was 4 hours ago.
Cool.
Repost from Phoenix Woman’s thread:
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Any who criticize the way OWS has handled things should just STFU for a moment, and ask themselves what, if any, issue would ever motivate their own selves to camp out in the rain for two weeks. Most would not subject themselves to that kind of discomfort for even ten minutes. The fact that the OWS core has held for so long under such circumstances is amazing, and bespeaks the deep commitment which can only result from a true and extensive need for radical change.
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No. My guess though is that it has to do with another big union coming out in support. Hayes would be trusted with reporting that information.
Kevin – do you know if the October 6th DC organizers who were on our call the other night have been in contact with the #OccupyDC/#OccupyKStreet movement? Any plans to coordinate actions or resources?
I believe they are collaborating. I do not know if Occupy DC plans to continue and take action in McPherson Square separate from what October 2011 plans to do in Freedom Plaza. That is something I should ask Zeese.
Maybe this is what Hayes was referring to…
Link.
You forgot to link to the twitter list, Kevin.
Zeese and his organizers have had a lot more time to plan. Resources, funding, strategy, all firmly in place. It seems to me that the local #Occupy movement would benefit from casting their lot with Zeese’s group. The message is very similar and can draw universal support.
The #OccupyWallStreet twitter machine is still pumping out about 1 tweet per second. Amazing.
Okay – seems to be a tweet every 3 seconds or so. My unofficial observations needed refinement.
It seems to me like the Occupy people should mainly function as an organized labor outreach working group when it comes to Oct6, and that the Oct6 folks should immediately add “rebuilding organized labor” to their list of goals?
I think you’re on the right track there. It will be interesting to see how things develop and how roles and responsibilities are defined as this moves forward. Zeese and his group plan to occupy indefinitely. Same strategy as the current movements. We’re going to see the #OccupyTogether ranks swell by 10s of thousands on October 6th.
The main difference I see is that Zeese’s group has defined, stated goals. The 7 points detailed in the webinar the other night were essentially the same *unstated* goals of #Occupy movements. I think there’s a lot of common ground here and I see these two protest movements inevitably merging into one larger, stronger, more direction-oriented group.
Quote from Chris Hayes (? unconfirmed) that just flew by on the twitter…
This shit is getting serious
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. –Rosa Luxemburg
Egypt kicks ass.
Almost half the tweets (from my rough guesstimate) on the #OccupyWallStreet tag stream are trolling right-wingers.
Amazing how, as the movement grows, the trolls are launched in force. Even more amazing that non-troll regular citizens of the right feel the need to bash these protestors.
Our country is so splintered. It hurts my heart.
Maybe this direct, peaceful and spontaneous political action could seed the beginnings of a new (non-corporatist) party across the country?
If outreach is made to labor, veterans, 99ers, the foreclosed upon, students with killer debt, etc., who knows? The status quo sure isn’t working if you’re not in the 2%.
Has Mr. President said anything yet? I haven’t seen anything. You’d sorta think the candidate we elected three years ago would say something to help (or ‘frame’ events, as it’s often said). No?
Chomsky is a giant, of course. Everyone should read What Uncle Sam Really Wants at least once, and I also strongly recommend his Year 501: The Conquest Continues.
Don’t worry. Obama’s getting his walking shoes out as we speak.
/s
I’m losing patience in Phoenix Woman’s thread. Think I’ll just stop commenting/reading there for the morning.
There’s nothing “sloppy” about #OWS. It’s spontaneous in origin, but has been well organized and operated since it’s inception. If this is sloppy, so is REAL democracy. The General Assembly, people’s mic decision making process is the closest thing to real democracy that this country has seen in over 200 years.
The polarization needs to happen though. Battle lines have to be drawn and made clear. Many regular people are simply ignorant, and will switch sides as things begin to crystallize. That’s when elites will really begin to give ground, in a hurry.
WHOOP!
Thanks, Kevin. Allentown definitely shows the situation.
Me doesn’t think the Authority will continue to win. They forget that this land is made for YOU and ME!
Anything #OWS does is better than anything Richard Trumka could (or would) do (or has done).
It’s not too early in the day to say, Fuck Richard Trumka and all the other union bureaucrats.
I haven’t been to PW’s post, but what are you talking about?
All of America is on the side of the everyday man and woman except for the politicians and corporatists. What difference does it make how the things are organized? They are doing it aren’t they?
Support from unions: its about time. Good news.
I think Rise Against is so much better than Billy Joel, however.
I wasn’t attacking #OWS. I was just doing a drive-by on union bureaucracy, cuz I’m a dick that way.
Yeah, well we all have different ways of doing things. Usually, it’s the end result that matter. It was earlier this morning when I posted the Allentown link. Guess I thought the video showed the situation better.
Where is Phoenix Woman’s thread?
There is a lot to be said about Union control and how it works from the top down instead of the bottom up. I think that is being addressed with the protests because the Union top hats can’t do a damn thing if all the production is being done in China and India!
Sorry, I shouldn’t have posted that as a reply to you. I should have just made it a stand-alone post. It actually wasn’t directed at you in any way, shape, or form. Your post just made me think of it.
I apologize.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I can’t say anything nice about union mucky-mucks like Trumka, Stern, Henry, Sweeney, King, Weingarten, Gettlefinger, Kirkland, Meany, or any of them. The rank-and-file? Yes, of course. But the union suits? Nope. Not from me.
Fuck ‘em all, says I.
Apology accepted. You can be a dick anytiime you like. Just don’t attack.
However, I do still think Rise Against kicks all kinds of ass.
The best hope here is for a Monday-morning occupation of an office building.
I couldn’t handle that earlier in the morning. I will agree to disagree on the issue.
This citizen uprising is really getting exciting. Steelworkers union, 6 people get arrested in SF for taking sleeping bags into Chase Bank and preparing to stay, and cities joining from all over the country. Makes me want to Snoopy Dance.
The #OccupyDC people will be setting up a presence in McPherson Park today, according to reports. There is also an #OccupyKStreet hashtag that seems to be related somehow. I suspect their focus going forward will be to do to K Street what #OcccupyWallStreet is doing to Wall Street. I hope so. And they also can provide folks that can help with the logistics of setting up the October 6 occupation of Freedom Plaza.
The October 6 event seems to be focused on Congress and the President in the way that its draft demands were written. If there is not a demand in support of nationwide collective bargaining protection already in that list, there should be,
Also, the leadership of the October 6 movement should see #OccupyDC as more experimental in its approach to building a movement from the local to the global. Too much of the leadership of protests have tried (unsuccessfully I might add) to build a movement from the national to the local. Zeese and other folks involved in this should avoid comparisons with #OccupyDC; they should have a little humility about their own record and credentials. And maybe they should make a nod to DC statehood. Both working together should focus on turning out local folks in the DC area and in particular DC itself to form a long-term occupation. The folks whom Congress has dissed over and over have the opportunity to creatively express their anger.
Agreed. Trumka isn’t the union, though.
This is the exact issue that #OWS is trying to avoid. You have the body of a union trying to do good things while the head rules all and fucks it up. Quote from @OccupyWallSt
This is true democracy. Equality and fairness are assured by the fact that you have a voice. Period. Trumka and the other union heads can be swayed much more easily than a mass of millions.
Yes. Ever so many varieties of ass are kicked by Rise Against.
It’s not amazing. As the threat grows, the right wing astro-turfers become desperate and throw more paid and volunteer resources into the social media war. It is a sign that the #OccupyTogether movement has grown too big to ignore. Indeed, it already outnumbers the max that the Tea Party reached in the streets.
I understand. But sometimes, I also like Tori Amos.
Hey, Twain!
I think most of us are doing a dance of some sort. Even if it is a dance to the computer on a regular basis to stay informed of the actions. The media is no longer relevant. They might as well continue the circus of candidate shows.
The Oct. Revolution? I’m sure Lenin where ever he is is smiling?
All in due time.
So, I’m not actually going to post my own website.
I’m not going to blatantly spam.
I AM offering, utterly, entirely new, original, academic
ideas — in science, morality and a new understanding of
history.
This IS somewhat sort of spamming of course. But, I don’t
do things this way but extremely occassionally.
And, I’m sort of trusting that under those terms I won’t get bounced.
pre-empting the Moscow Spring.
Y Russia’s population collapse.
Y fascist. Y bogus. Y people behind the only really possibly “foreseen ‘bad’ gays;” resonates w scientific control, now; but, CONVEYED: Y makes sense, Y not stupid; ALSO, Y matches earlier “myth”
So, how does this work?
You actually can find me w the slightest resourcefullness.
I’m not going to leave my address.
Meanwhile, bak @ the farm, here is some narrative:
we r the capitalists, u r the b.s.’rs
Chris Christie: Y not lock up poor people in advance? It’s
faster, cheaper.
Educating poor people instead of incarcerating them is good economics.
Health insurance cartel people cause MOR violence than did this
depraved self-important man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgA6Uo1n17w
trolls are frauds. munchkins. Transfering their hypocritical or
misguided fears, masturbating their need to pacify, onto you.
4 frauds. cartels are not really free enterprise
obnoxious people are losers on arrival (LOA)
What started this today?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_GAY_RIGHTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-01-10-07-58
A principled (or real) progressive is what we need instead of a loud mouth
creep like Chris Christie.
Putin is nothing more than a thug fascist.
I think this is intensely every day and practical.
But, I propose it actually has been foreseen, but CONVEYED.
So, I propose it is simultaneously how to travel to the stars,
living universe, exquisitely tuning to environment.
Genetics / gays? W/o a test providing a proof, ordinarily,
simply entirely optimal — numerical genetic advantage
for the group. U R all entirely variable.
Lindsay Lohan, of course, is a profoundly spectacular, courageous
young’ish woman. Ur health behavior is much worse when U
don’t hold the rail walking downstairs.
just some thoughts.
bye.
Exactly, they attempted to occupy a building, bypassing the park route.
Hey, PP. Hope the R candidates get asked about the “gathering storm” at the next debate. I’m assuming there will be more debates – if the Rs are smart, there won’t be any more – showcases their problems.
Ain’t got shit on the issues like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmAb1gNN74
Heh. Cat above just reminded me of a quote a read on twitter a whiiiile back.
As this movement would seem to be about Obama’s inactions as much as anything else, I would not expect him to ever support it in any way, except to try and use it if he can as part of his pre-election neo-populist charade. His game is strictly the two-party game under a single corporate framework, so anything outside of that box is a direct threat to his interests.
LOL! Problems? Oh, the insanity. YEP!
They prove daily that not a single one of them is Presidential material.
Very, very talented. She’s excellent.
I agree. All Trumka’s “blessing” does is give permission for the individual union leaders to do the same relative to their unions. It is the locals and their members who will prove decisive in action. And they don’t necessarily ask “How high?” when Trumka or national leaders say “Jump”. The rank-and-file make their own decisions; unfortunately for too many of them for the past 40 years those decisions did not include their own economic interests. “Patriotism” and “family values” dominated the right to collectively bargain. It was complacency.
I don’t think you’re taking the proper message from PW’s post. I think she is more supportive than you seem to be giving her credit for.
This is how the 1% have won. Hopefully enough of us wake up to the truth and take to the streets.
Lenin is in a glass case in what was called Red Square. And from the photos I’ve seen he’s not smiling at all.
Despite his rhetoric, he was not a big fan of popular movements.
We had malicious lurkers (who have been trolling our facebook wall) show up at our local Occupy meeting last night. Irritating, and kinda creepy. They managed to get interviewed by the local news crew, too, I think, posing as a “concerned and confused” member of the movement.
Ugh.
It wasn’t PW at all. A couple of the opinions I read in comments were bugging me. Seemed that some of the sentiments there were identical to what we’ve been fighting against, along with the people on the ground in Liberty Plaza, since day 1. The perceptions were kind of off.
That she is! Smarter than the average bear too!
Kris, that is so true! A union head, or anyone in a leadership position, is much easier to influence and subvert than a huge rank and file. They are the weak link.
Obama will not touch this protest. Obama wants Wall Street support. The Democrats are a Wall Street party.
PW seems to be inching toward support for OWS. I think her post should be discussed and the wrong ideas disputed. There are a number of well meaning liberals (of a certain age?) who have memory of being vilified by the PTB for voicing dissent. These are different times…
Perhaps it is generational. I just added my 2 cents to the thread and I think you may agree with me.
Agreed! The politicians have done everything possible to kick the people out of the process. They only time they want to see or hear you is at the polls. They want free rein and no input from the masses.
People have to take an active role in their governance. Our Constitution demands it!
whdh in Boston is reporting 11 arrested in first day of protests. Person on the ground says 25 arrested so far.
Great comments. I agree wholeheartedly. I effing <3 you.
On the main FDL blog, just under this post that also is front paged today.
The “Fox News chopper camera” shot is way too steady to be from a chopper. Not to mention that the chopper would have to be hovering over some extremely sensitive city and federal buildings, and Ray Kelley’s finger might get itchy. My guess is that it was shot from a window in the NW corner of police headquarters.
Ray Kelley to Rupert Murdoch: Mi casa es tu casa.
If you are going to occupy a building, you need to plan how to hold it. As 1848 exciting as it was, six people and sleeping bags get arrested and no one notices except the Twitter feed that got two pics of the event.
You build strength in parks. This is not about looking good in the news photos, it is about bringing about change
The same insight holds for the UC Berkeley building seizure. If you’re going to be forcibly evicted, people have to know why you’re there (tuition hikes is the best slogan) and you have to have enough people to draw attention when you are evicted. And these days you have to have alternative media that can take the “forcible” part of the eviction viral in a way that does not marginalize the action. In NYC, the mace attack went viral. There is no counterpart of that from UC Berkeley. Until then getting tens of thousands protesting in the plaza peacefully is a more effective strategy, if not as emotionally satisfying.
Your comments on PW’s post were, and are, much appreciated, ysd.
;~DW
My history is shaky at best, but to my knowledge there have been 3 successful mass protests in the history of the US. The Revolution, the Womens’ Suffrage movement and the Civil Rights movement.
These movements were all about forcing the voices of the people to be recognized and respected. They worked.
The movements that were too focused on single issues and goals all seem to have fallen by the way side.
Heh. That’s the problem with the Internet, everybody gets to come in and express their opinion lol. I have faith in the marketplace of ideas concept.
True dat.
Interesting. That means that they are very worried something will actually happen. Any ID on the folks and where they came from? YRs? Tea Party?
Also, were there any Ron Paul folks there?
If we don’t have the best community of commentators on the web I don’t know who does.
Yep, you are right. If there is one demand, then it is easy for the PTB to knock it down. If the demands are nebulous then it is much harder to push back. That is also true in regards to having a single leader. This occupation is well thought out.
Saw it, and do agree with you.
Not touching it is a more rational response for those guys than trying to marginalize it or suppress it.
While I respect all of the opinions, I decided in that instance not to engage because I was getting frustrated. I don’t want my frustration to cloud the conversation or cause other people to flare up.
Even when I don’t agree I try to embrace. Especially with the folks here at the lake.
TD, you are very much appreciated, for both your understanding of and your ability to clearly explain sublime and overarching strategies for actual success, to bring about AND sustain actual societal change, thank you.
Just so you know …
DW
yellowsnapdragon,
I am going down to occupySF tomorrow. Want to come with me?
Yes, it would be pretty stupid for Democrats to start condemning this protest.
“We are all serfs. It’s time for the serfs to revolt.”
–Kevin Zeese
HUZZAH!
You’re my hero
I’m going to #OccupyAustin later.
Went shopping for a Guy Fawkes mask last night. The local Spirit store was sold out
The Democrats have framed themselves as the populist peoples’ party for more than 60 years now. For them to not get behind this (and I mean waaaaay behind, like the 4th tier of the peoples’ mic) would be stupid.
I just don’t think our elected officials have the common sense to follow in this situation. They’ll all try to lead.
We do, and that is why I spend my time here. 93% here, 5% at Greenwald, 2% at The Rude Pundit (Hey, what is life without laughter?).
Sorry for the delay in response.
You are correct! Single issues at this late date are useless. There are too many things that interconnected that have caused the downfall of this country.
The trouble is (and this includes the mace video) a protest that was about standing up to Wall Street is now about standing up to the New York City Police Department.
There have been almost no bankers actually in media over this. Is there any quote from the floor of the stock exchange? Has Goldman been forced to issue a statement from its PR department?
No.
All we have is “protesters vs. pigs” outcome here. “Emotionally satisfying” as you put it is the likely outcome here. I have been in a number of anti-establishment and anti-capitalist protests that were boxed in by the cops well away from any actual target of the real political anger and I know exactly what the result is: “emotional satisfaction” based on “taking on the power”. The “power” in this context becomes the local police department which serves as a surrogate for the real target of the anger.
And through the media lens, you have “hippies vs. the cops” again. This has been going on for a long, long time.
There are more than 6 people in the park. It doesn’t take tens of thousands of people to occupy a building on Monday morning.
It would be really good for the media outcome here if maybe some bankers were made red-faced as a result of the protest, and if maybe the protest could be connected in media with Wall Street beyond some intangible, off-camera concept with the police serving as stand-ins for the villain of the story.
Yes! But… Mr. and the kids would have my skin if I skipped out on family day to go to occupy SF. Could you take pictures and report in a diary?
I find that contrary opinions are most valuable to refine my own thinking and advance my own learning. I am not threatened or angered by them, unless they are of the totally irrational or barbaric variety, or obviously the product of bad faith.
Oooooh. I’m checking Halloween Store for one too!
sure, will do!
The Democrats are a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate America and the plutocracy. Many of their leaders hold personal fortunes based in Wall Street trading and maintain close, convivial relationships with Wall Street leaders. Furthermore, in the last presidential election, the biggest corporate donors to Obama’s campaign were entities like Goldman-Sachs.
The Secretary of the Treasury is a Goldman alumnus.
It is very, very difficult to construe the Democrats as likely to embrace any anti- Wall Street protest. The Democrats want that to go away. What the Democrats want is for their constituents to get on board a wandering wagon train of corporate capitalism with a smiley face painted on, SUV environmentalism, and gay rights.
Second that. TD, I’ve learned so much from your thoughtful contributions. Thank you.
The police brutality issue is the ONLY thing that caused the media to even mention the protest! They want you to think it is about hippies versus the police.
As far as the banksters, they are not going to come out smiling and waving at the crowds. Goldman Sacs is too busy hunting up another item to bet on and sell it as a security!
8 Stages of Successful Social Movements:
http://justlists.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/8-stages-of-successful-social-movements/
This is a lengthly expansion of the above, but well worth the read:
http://historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/moyermap.html
Tahrir Square!
Has there been a single interview with a muckety-muck banker over this protest? Has there been a single question asked of traders working on the floor of the NYSE?
Has 1 cent of trading business been verifiably lost to this protest?
Has any major investment bank felt compelled to make a major public statement about the protest, and the righteous anger against Wall Street?
Goldman Sacs is huddled right now trying to figure out if they should bet for or against OWS.
This is my point. Wall Street, in this protest, is an off-camera abstraction, to date.
These demonstrators, mostly young, did not ask our permission to vent their frustration. The world belongs to them now and they have the right and the obligation to make things right for themselves. I admire them enormously and hope that they succeed. We grew complacent and allowed things to get out of hand and now the young have to repair it.
I think your focus is slightly skewed here. This isn’t just about Wall Street. It’s about the wars, it’s about poverty, it’s about politics, it’s about democracy.
Most of the problems with those things can be tied back to the big Banks and Wall Street, but it’s not just about that.
We don’t need an interview with Jamie Dimon to validate this movement. We don’t need snapshots of embarrassed bankers confronted by occupiers.
We need numbers. We need an awakened populace. We need to take our world back.
Unless and until we can permanently distrupt the gyre of corporate money, corporate suits, politicians and lobbyists, there cannot be meaningful change. That relationship has sucked this country dry and cannot be allowed to continue.
ROTFL!
You said it! I mean, heck; they were betting on government default two months ago!
*You* don’t need an interview with Jamie Dimon. However, if Jamie Dimon feels compelled to get out in front of national media and start apologizing and spinning as a result of this protest, then you have had an impact on *Wall Street*, the beginning of something. This isn’t about protesters and their supporters feeling validated. This protest is about making a message heard, right in the heart of American capitalism. And that message won’t be heard if Wall Street suffers not 1 cent of impact.
And I agree that there is a big need to get the broad public aware of the issue – the heart of American capitalism, Wall Street, has become overbearingly exploitative, greedy, and uncontrolled, and terrible things are happening as a result.
It would also help an awful lot if the image of invulnerability enjoyed by investment bankers and their Wall Street machinery was dented just a bit. That could start with muckety-mucks on Wall Street feeling compelled to start their spin operation up in response to the protest.
They need to stay off camera as far as I am concerned. Besides, how are they going to explain it away and come off looking like something ethical?
It’s best they stay hidden and allow the natural process of the protests to go on. I know of no way they could spin it to their benefit.
I disagree. Largely, this *is* about the protesters feeling validated. The left has been almost completely dismissed for 40 years in American politics. We *need* to feel our own strength again.
The 99% already know what the problem is, and so does the 1%. (Even the Paulistas are with the idea of OWS) Our work is to actually do something about it.
I don’t think that originated with him. Think Hedges wrote that in his recent piece.
Some of the trolls on #occupywallstreet sure are concerned about the hygiene of the protestors. Staying clean and making your bed ARE the most important values. Oh, and shopping online at R**toration H**dware is really important, too. Taupe. Everything must be taupe.
Amen.
I was there last night and there were definitely people in the building recording and taking pictures, from windows on the first and third floor. There were two choppers hovering the entire time but I don’t know whether they were police or media.
What does R Hardware have to do with occupywallstreet? Is that company being mentioned? Are the rightwing?
Indeed, a dick in a suit is still just a dick. The clothes don’t make the man, they mask the man (or woman.
They all seem to be worried that the protestors are *tweeting* with *phones* on *networks* all owned and operated by corporations. For some reason it’s hypocritical to be a consumer and to object to corporate destruction of the world at the same time.
‘Spose they don’t see the irony that communications networks *ought* to be public. Infrastructure greasing the wheels of capitalism and all.
Heh!
Another good reason to break up the monopolies on the “networks”
Also, not just the networks but everything!
I just want to say, I think you are absolutely correct in almost every point you are making, but I just think you are a little too early, a little too impatient in urging those specific actions at this moment. This thing needs a wee bit more incubation time. I would like to see what you advocate, maybe in a week or two from now. I especially agree with your point about “invulnerability.” I have been making that same argument to whoever would listen for at least 35 years now.
See this documentary on planned robo-GWOT. Stop this sick 1%er game against the 99%ers now. We have rights. Start here, start now.
Occupying a building is a considerable undertaking. This is a nonviolent protest, and its numbers are still fairly small. NYPD is letting OWS stay in the park for now because it can’t find a viable reason to kick them out, and so far are using only minimal violence. Attempts to take over a building with numbers like theirs would end in unsuccessful bloodshed. There are more than six people, sure, but it would take six thousand or more to get past cops in riot gear. Police presence in that part of Manhattan is heavy.
I’m local in DC. and will be going to McPherson Square, but not until around 4:30 or so. I want to see what’s going on and hope to find out views on DC Oct. 6. Don’t have a smart phone and am not connected to Web via phone. Would only be able to text msg live. Oh well. Will report back.
Here are some tweets from the occupydc.org page:
Exactly. And self-validation takes a little time when we have become so acclimated to helpless victimness.
Yeah. All those publicly funded technological developments and network sites… Dawg forbid the public actually have fair and equal access to them.
Link.
Rights.
Really. “They” are the same ilk who loved the image of Ethiopians throwing spears at Italian warplanes in 1935. In all our “war endeavors” that mindset has delegitimized any opposition that was limited to inferior weaponry. It’s pathetic. “If I have a bigger gun, you should just surrender now, or you’re an (idiot, terrorist, Viet Cong, fill in the blank).” Inferior weaponry requires resort to asymetrical or guerrilla tactics to survive. Sometimes that means using the opposition’s own infrastructure against them. There’s no morality or question of legitimacy/illegitimacy involved in that. Just reality.
Lenin was an authoritarian pig (as was Trotsky). The best reference for this I’ve found is Michael Albert’s 1974 Sargent Press book What Is To Be Undone.
My,my, wasn’t that a nice thing for Chase to do?
And just from the kindness of their hearts for their concern for those who are sworn “to preserve and protect …”
OWS is defintely have real and genuine effect, Kris.
Thank you for “catching” that wee tidbit.
;~DW
Thanks!
It is interesting to note that superior weapons “technology” inspired the “Age of Discovery” quite as much as the desire for spices … and other lucre … consider superior weapons “technology” (and the will to use it, mercilessly) as the “manifest Destiny” of the “West” … and, there, you have conventional “history” in a bombshell …er, nutshell, rc.
;~DW
It’s a shockingly blatant bribe, innit? Wow.
It seems to go along with the mindset that everything must be orderly and impersonal and clean. Plus, RH is fairly expensive stuff. I have no problem with them but they do try to give the impression of restrained upper class abundance. Perhaps I was a little off the mark, though.
No idea where the malicious folks came from, really. One showed up on the first day the facebook page was up, pretending to be one of us but acting “confused”. When more people explained it all, she called in reinforcements and they dropped the “I want to help! I just don’t understand!” act.
No Ron Paul people there as far as I could tell.
Here’s something I think OWS should get behind:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/09/30/bofa-debit-fees-offers-opportunity-for-perfect-information-to-drive-competition/
Take your money out of Wall Street and put it into Main Street (or Online Street) instead.
OT– “Euro-vote in the Bundestag” … “Because they did not know what they are voting” [for] (Der Spiegel, Sept. 30, 2011)
“The World from Berlin” … “Obama’s Euro-Crisis Lecture Is ‘Pitiful and Sad’” (Der Siegel, Sept. 28, 2011)
Sounds like we’re anywhere from Stage three to Stage Five at this point.
Not really. In order to address it you’d have to address the DOL. Did you know that a union could rig a local election by neglecting to send out ballots to a person opposing status quo? The DOL only deals with shenanigans when it is an official that votes for national elections. The problem? The locals actually decide who gets the national job. So you start by rigging the bottom(which doesn’t get addressed at all from outside forces) and working your way to the top.
Good points.
That is a tactical problem that must be dealt with. The problem is that the guilty place themselves behind so many layers of security that they cannot be embarrassed in a way that cannot be spun. Even if the cops stand down, there is private security firms–Pinkterton has a long history of suppressing protests.
I don’t pretend that we have solved the tactical problem yet. We know what doesn’t work. The idea of a sit-in in Jamie Dimon’s and Lloyd Blankfein’s office suite is an attractive image, But it is more likely that DOJ would haul their asses to court than that all those layers to prevent that from happening could be breached.
Branch bank actions are OK as long as your remember that the tellers are part of the 99% too and should be treated as if they are. Branch managers however are in the position of Tony Bologna; if they cooperate, great; if not, they are party of the problem because they don’t realize what is being done to them.
Hey at the risk of being impertinent , I will need a place to sleep during the occupation of DC. I will not arrive immediately but a week or so into the action .
Can you help with that ?
It isn’t warfare until the authorities declare it is warfare. Until then, it is politics. And even after the heavy weaponry is rolled out, it is still politics. Which is why the biggest gun doesn’t always win.
Asymmetric nonviolent politics is a useful term.
I thought “Occupying” meant a sleeping bag in the park. Maybe I’m wrong.
The Occupied Wall Street Journal
Yee haw. Here comes an intellectual property fight over the “look and feel” – and font.
Since I still don’t see a link to the Twitter lists, here ya go:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
Anyone good at film ?
I have written the music for a music video over the last 2 days as an offering to the occupiers on wallstreet.
I’m working on the rant now , which I’m hoping will be a list of the reasons that civil disobedience is necessary . I could use footage that illustrates those reasons !
Anyone got suggestions for this . Anything from the public domain is preferable . Ultimately , the music could be sold to support the on going occupations around the country !
Ya mean we’re gonna get to see if nuanced irony is truly daid in ‘Murkuh?
Say t’ain’t so, TD …
;~DW
OMG OMG OMG!! I *need* a copy of that to save for posterity. My collection of liberal political stuff must have this included.
A sleeping bag yes , that I will have. Are small tents allowed ?
Rain , without shelter is a major impediment to long term occupation. I could stay in Portland and help peoploe here but I believe that being in Washington is more important .
I have already spent time in NY with the protesters on wall street while on the east coast a week and would like to add my body to the masses in DC.
I think it looks fine. I take your point though.
Glad you’re going to DC. Wish I could be there.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
At 3pm, we’ll march 2 a secret location. Find out at #LibertyPlaza! #occupywallstreet #sep17 #takewallstreet
3 minutes ago via web
Look at the occupiers’ Call to action to inform the reasons for civil disobedience. They have a list. (www.nycga.cc)
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Livestream from @OccupyChi @OccupyChicago: justin.tv/occupychicago/…
? #occupywallstreet #occupytogether #sep17
I think it’s an excellent piece. Just pointing out a subtle provocation for the Murdoch empire. Will they take the bait?
Thanx for that.
I’m looking at the site now , any idea where the call to action is ?
OT– Oct 4, 2011: SIS Vigil Locations Across Canada | NWAC/l’AFAC – http://bit.ly/oqMmrA
From “Five Falsehoods About ‘Ethical Oil’” (TheTyee.Ca, Sept. 29, 2011; my bold):
The people at Occupy LA
On the arrests in Boston:
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Look up arrests on boston.com if someone can tweet me the articles that wud be great! #occupyboston
9 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Apparently 20 some ppl chained themselves to the bank of america building yesterday approx 3pm before ppl gathered here #occupyboston
8 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
The occupywallstreet.org site has been apparently taken down by the PTB.
Norton antivirus blocks it as a malicious site since this morning .
Thanks .
Velvet Revolution Election Protection
I don’t use Norton and can get to it just fine.
Possibly an act of sabotage as somebody could have reported it to a blacklist that Norton automatically checks.
Bush 1 used to call it little Beirut !
Occupy Portland !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mMqRkMYYPM&feature=related
I can get to it, but there is this message at the top right:
Sure seems like there was an attack.
report from Occupy Boston
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Allie has just told me that the protesters received generators yest but that police declared them illegal … however….
4 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Police now assisting protesters to find alternative methods to arrange for power. Allie appears impressed w police willingness to accomodate
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
At OccupyBoston:
Well after all this IS Syria isn’t it?
We’ll soon find out .
Jopauca: Crowd today Liberty Plaza
Jopauca estimates 2500.
That’s on the webpage itself, possibly hackers tried to infect the site with spyware or something.
Expect that as the movement becomes more “newsworthy” that virus writers and scammers will try to use related terms to try to spread computer malware.
Wow. Egypt much? Next thing they’ll be blocking cell signals.
Oh wait, they’ve done that.
Occupy Portland .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mMqRkMYYPM&feature=related
That’s inevitable. That’s why I’m hesitant to open links from twitter feeds. Anything suspect I open through my phone as it seems to be immune to all computer viruses.
I also check all of the links that I post here in the comments before posting.
@OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
Follow: @OccupywallstWX for the latest weather updates affecting the occupation
5 minutes ago via web
They have their own weather reporter now.
Elites the world over are being put on notice .
Once the dinosaur ruled the earth , they were alot bigger than you are .
Democracy Now !
Try this browser add-on (available for Firefox and IE, not sure about other browsers):
https://www.mywot.com/
I’ve been using it a couple years, it puts a green mark next to safe links, a red mark next to dangerous links, and a question mark next to unknown links. At least it does for things like Google search results and links in the Twitter lists.
NYT article.
Thanks! DLing it now.
That’s most likely an infiltrator trying to incite trouble.
Thanks for this! (Only a short 20-minute bus ride for me, no xfers!)
You’re right, Kevin. It was Hedges.
On edit – this is a quote form my link at 185 to NYT article. Quote was pulled from Occupy Wall Street Journal, which republished an article by Hedges originally posted at TruthDig.
Absolutely.
*swoon* hero.
Sometimes it can have false positives though, as it is based upon a database of user reports. You can override if you thinks its trying to block a legit site.
That is so wonderful!
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
Glanced at a piece of paper an NYPD white shirt had in his hand titled: “Operation Wall Street Demonstration” #occupywallstreet
5 minutes ago via Seesmic
@jopauca Joshua Paul
I did another walk around. There are alot of ppl here! Maybe 3,500-4,000! #OccupyWallSt
5 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
This is fucking beyond awesome.
from Occupy Boston
@AyeshaKazmi AmericanPaki
Bumped into protest chaplains again who were at #ows this time they are here to occupy in full force approx 10 of them twitpic.com/6tkkiu
VIDEO – #OccupySanFrancisco Calls for Arrest of NY Federal Board Member / JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon (Sept. 29, 2011)
Some demonstrators wearing separate armbands of white and red.
Chants: “Make Banks Pay!,” “Ain’t no power like the power of the people and the power of the people don’t stop!” and “Arrest the CEO let those people go!”
Video – Keiser Report: ‘WW3 will make us all rich’ (E191) (Oct. 1, 2011).
Of note is the Roseanne Barr interview regarding #OccupyWallStreet beginning at time point 13:49. Keiser tells how to decapitalize the bankstas by forcing money managers to sell off their stocks. How? By making public all illegalities via a fine-comb review of all 10Ks, 10Qs and SEC filings. This will also encourage hedge funds to short-sell these stocks when they see the huge liabilities => big gains (massive leverage) to the hedges.
My footnote: “Robinhood Tax” still an excellent idea.
Wow.
I think you’re right. I would suspect that the Anonymous folks would have provided technical help about avoiding hacks. I think the recommendation for other locations is Twitter-Facebook-Tumbler just to minimize the vulnerabilities.
coming up on the supposed “march to secret location” at 3pm in NYC
Yeah. Monumental move. Article says approx 15 Marines are on the way.
@OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
Marching begins! #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via web
@SabzBrach Joanne Michele
We should be back in #LibertyPlaza within the hour.
5 minutes ago via web
Added their feed subscription to my FB…
This is major, Kris, more important than Trumpka’s “support”, this is a measure of solidarity.
Thank you, for bringing this real and actual news to the thread.
DW
@jopauca Joshua Paul
#OccupyWalSt I need a $100,000 to attend a political fundraising party in order to buy a politician twitpic.com/6tknze
https://twitpic.com/6tknze
Tent city – Occupy Boston
Way fucking cool.
If it grows, even by 20-30 people, I’d say it’s the most significant development since last Saturday. Just MHO, but decorated veterans of US Military Service will surely draw a lot of attention and lend legitimacy to the protests.
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
NYPD Bronx Street Crime units in the house #occupywallstreet
10 minutes ago via Seesmic
@jopauca Joshua Paul
MicCheck #OccupyWallSt Do not instigate any violence with anyone. Be aware of how your actions affect the entire group twitpic.com/6tkuiq
And, what the hell, put up a blog post…
Media in Sacramento
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police massing in extremely large numbers. March yet to leave paark.
3 minutes ago via txt
@RDevro Ryan Devereaux
Preparation are being made for afternoon march. Legal working group providing advice to crowd. Plaza is packed. #OccupyWallStreet
4 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
CBS journo here from “digital news division.” Just her, big camera, backpack full of gear, heavy tripod. No van or colleagues. #occupywallst
13 minutes ago via Seesmic
@Newyorkist Newyorkist
National Lawyers Guild member tells colleagues: “Bway lined with police vans, full of cops” #occupywallstreet
12 minutes ago via Seesmic
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
There are a lot of parents and children at today’s march #occupywallstreet livestream.com/globalrevoluti…
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
Haven’t they figured out yet that this is a peaceful demonstration? What a waste of time and money for the city to have all those cops standing around doing nothing.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
At least 1,500 leaving #LibertyPark now for a march. Where will they go… stay tuned: livestream.com/globalrevoluti…
#occupywallstreet
The PD had to bring in reinforcements from the “Bronx Street Crimes Division” according to tweet.
@OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
Caught on the Livestream chat: “This is America. I missed it so badly. Good to see it back again.” #OccupyWallstreet #99Percent
8 minutes ago via web
@OccupyDenver OccupyDenver
livestream.com/peoplescam
LiveStream of today’s march. Several hundreds did show up
@occupyLA photo: “About the march. Large crowd, between 500 and a million.”
“Five Ways #OccupyWallStreet Has Succeeded” (Yes! Magazine, Sept. 30, 2011)
@jeffrae Jeff Rae
March is heading towards Brooklyn Bridge #occupywallstreet
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
#NYPD trying to “split up, divert” #occupywallstreet march livestream.com/globalrevoluti…
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
@fuelnyc fuelNYC
Looks like we’re going over brooklyn bridge #OccupyWallStreet #ourwallstreet #takewallstreet #occupy
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police have horses! I think we leveled up! March still sticking to sidewalks.
3 minutes ago via txt
@Korgasm_ K
Time for another rousing night working for a non-living wage that keeps me part of the #99Percent #wishmeluck. xoxo
@RDevro Ryan Devereaux
Crowd is splitting at BK bridge entrance. Some want to fill the street, some want to take pedestrian path. #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@Colin_Jones Colin_Jones
Need to get to the Brooklyn Bridge. To the 2/3 I go.
3 minutes ago via web
Sign:
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
MT @jeffrae: March at entrance of bridge chanting whose bridge #occupywallstreet yfrog.com/h8ax4hawj
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet march chanting take tthe bridge.
3 minutes ago via txt
heh
@jopauca Joshua Paul
Drivers are honking, throwing up peace signs in support (no middle fingers yet) #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
Estimated 5-8,000 there now. #occupywallstreet @djcnorwich
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police moving into march looking for someone it seems.
2 minutes ago via txt
@RDevro Ryan Devereaux
People are linking arms at bridge entrance. Moving onto bridge. Huge cheers. #occupywallstreet
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@jopauca Joshua Paul
We’re gonna hop onto the bridge and shut it down #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police movinhg along side of march with bullhorn sprinting ahead.
2 minutes ago via txt
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
MORE PEOPLE ARRIVING ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM OTHER SIDE!?!?!?! #occupywallstreet livestream.com/globalrevoluti…
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
” @jeffrae: Police blocking traffic on bridge for march now #occupywallstreet yfrog.com/nuw9qwpj
Yes, major props to Kris! And Ward Reily has clarified his post (from his FB page)
Truth.
Thank you for passing it forward, TD.
DW
LS is on the Brooklyn Bridge.
I’m trying to check the traffic reports and look if there’s a traffic camera for the bridge.
There must be some firebaggers there.
Livestream just went out.
Thanks for the updates.
Pic on Brooklyn Bridge
ny40something, thanks.
Coralling peeps. Paddywagons on site from LS.
Unless this is pre-recorded, mass arrests on livestream appear imminent..
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police coming up behind march that is on bridge. They are moving quick.
2 minutes ago via txt
It’s definitely live. They’re on the bridge.
Everyone watch livestream now.
@anonops AnonOps
6.000 people watching the LIVE VideoStreaming #OccupyWallStreet – Watch it HERE >> goo.gl/aj94g
6 minutes ago via web
Just coming in now. Hi all. In case no one mentioned yet, the Brooklyn Bridge feeds right into the Wall Street area.
Stand off with cops. “Shame Shame” chant.
get on livestream, guys. all hell’s breaking loose.
What’s happening? Are the cops stopping people from crossing the bridge?
LS Folks are sitting in on the lower level of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Mass arrests. People on higher bridge chanting “the whole world is watching.”
LS Police are dragging folks sitting from the front of the crowd.
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet march has all lanes oof bridge. Police following behind.
5 minutes ago via txt
They have another feed from higher up, too. They’re alternating them.
+ 7715 viewers & climbing. Demonstrators sitting or laying down on the pavement. NYPD white shirts and blue shirts doing arrests.
From prior Global Revolution live stream …
LS in and out.
It looks like follks are almost to the first tower on the bridge.
Arrests. Just shows assertive white shirt.
@jeffrae Jeff Rae
Police going to make mass arrest on Brooklyn bridge
Chanting. Can’t hear what they’re saying.
If mass arrests start, hope folks sit down and link arms.
More arrests. Shit.
Noooooooooooo! LS stopped.
“This is a peaceful protest”
@jopauca Joshua Paul
NYPD has blocked bridge. We’re stuck #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet
2 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
Someone get this video on cellphone!
LS It looks like the police are picking out mostly females to arrest.
Crap. Bridge feeds cut. Arrg.
White shirt is the police higher rank. Not protesters! Not protesters!
LS bridge again.
LS It looks like the end of the march has not gotten to the bridge yet.
LS back. Orange nets back out.
are the protestors coming to the bridge from wall st or are they coming to the bridge from brooklyn?
LS in & out …
NYPD bringing out the orange nets.
8711 viewers, mass arrests underway.
Here come the orange nets. This is expected for blocking the bridge. Sit down, protesters. Make this look bad for the police!!
What were they cheering for a second ago?
LS The chant is urging people to keep walking forward.
Ryan Devereaux
We cannot move backwards or forwards. People chant the whole world is watching. The nets are out #occupywallstreet
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
9K people watching LS.
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet peoples mic used to calm folks down and give information. Police letting most go.
1 minute ago via txt
Let us go!!
under 7K a few minutes ago… Growing.
They’re arresting a little kid! Like, 10 years old!
@allisonkilkenny allisonkilkenny
Follow @RDevro for #OccupyWallStreet updates. Police arrested nat’l lawyers guild member, net up, people trying to climb to safety.
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
LS up …
9447 viewers. Individual arrests – 2 females. One minor female being arrested – dark hair (about 10 – 12 yrs old), no resistance, wearing neon yellow knitted cap. Lead away.
Look at that. The cops are deliberately arresting women and now children. They are still hoping that some guy in the crowd will Galahad up and give them a casus belli for shutting down the entire occupation.
@DustinSlaughter Dustin M. Slaughter
Protesters walking back thru traffic after being turned away by #NYPD #OccupyWallStreet
3 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
think he’s back at Liberty Plaza
*gasp* I didn’t see it. That needs to be youtubed immediately.
Not seeing the purpose of the orange nets, besides psychology?
did they come from wall street or from brooklyn? what are the protestors doing on the bridge?
I’m sure it will be.
That’s the entire purpose. Like the targeted arrests.
Over 10K watching.
LS chant:
LS still up …
10,195 viewers. Looks like Officer Bologna on a bull horn (please confirm). Another female, red head, ~ early 20s, being arrested. Call for “Mic Check!” and the assembly to sit down.
Well over 10K watching LS now…
@jopauca Joshua Paul
So many cops on 1 person #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet twitpic.com/6tm2ox
Wow. This is explosive!
LS back up ..
Kettled on both sides of the peaceful assembly on Brooklyn Bridge.
Black male, mid 20s, in light red t-shirt, arrested & lead away.
LS
why are they on the bridge?
@allisonkilkenny allisonkilkenny
RT @RDevro: People are sitting down. Looks like we will all be arrested. #occupywallstreet
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Power to the People! Most excellent!
The people being arrested are unofficially being put in charge of chant selection.
LS still up …
10,898 viewers. White shirt police officers selecting male, brown pony tail, mid 40s, sage green jacket. Lead away.
@RDevro Ryan Devereaux
“Remain calm, we’re in this together,” says one man via peoples mic. #occupywallstreet
2 minutes ago via HTC Peep
Over 11K watching LS.
This is when there needs to be overwhelming tactical discipline.
So fucking cool.
11k+ viewers.
LS still up …
11,505 viewers. 3 more 20s-something males arrested and lead away.
Asking for names of arrested.
Looks good so far, actually. I’m impressed.
The tactic here seems to be to make people afraid to be at the front of a march? They’re just arresting people in front.
Dang, overhead feed is about to die.
I think they thought they were to begin occupying the bridge
block traffic get media attention etc.
Telling those being arrested to shout out their names. I like.
It reduces the number of police that can be there and puts an overwhelming number of people for very few police on the scene. And it clogs the jails.
LS still up …
12,129 viewers. 20-something arrests – 2 male, 2 female.
4:32 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 1-5 m delay – LOWER EAST RIVER CROSSINGS: BROOKLYN BRIDGE (OUTBOUND) CLOSED DUE TO PROTESTORS ON THE BRIDGE // IB HEAVY TRAFFIC DUE TO RUBBERNECKING.
gee they finally made the CBS 2 traffic report
LS now …
12,589 viewers. Red-headed mom led two kids away from assembly. Male police officer in rain coat walking with them.
Hah! They let a woman with two children go, talk about transparent. Too bad the entire video will show them arresting a 12-year old 5 minutes earlier.
212-788-1400 Call Bloomberg. No mass arrests!
White shirt waving baton threateningly.
Call Mayor Bloomberg message, 212-788-1400, number rings busy.
LS now …
13,056 viewers. Police pile-on of male youth in red hoodie. Raincoat police with knee in back of 20 something male now on ground.
13K watching LS.
@jeffrae Jeff Rae
So question we going to Brooklyn jail or Manhattan? #occupywallstreet yfrog.com/j2u2epj
LS Folks are holding arms.
Pisses off the white shirts. Yanking folks out of the crowd.
I think one of the livestream crew was just arrested.
Calling the Mayor. The line’s busy.
he’s up in Boston now relaying the news
Are they seriously going to try to shut it down *now*???
Sounds like arrests may be immanent at Z Park?
1-212-788-1400 to call Mayor Bloomberg staffer. it’s on the livestream.
It was almost up to 14K before LS went down again.
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet livestream.com/globalrevolution we are being pressed together and arresting folks.
4 minutes ago via txt
LS now … “Call Mayor Bloomberg staffer, 212-788-1400. Demand police respect First amendment and [..]”
14,331 viewers.
I think you might be right.
@Colin_Jones Colin_Jones
The front of #OccupyWallSt coming over the Brooklyn Bridge. yfrog.com/kluysbvj
They’re showing the kid getting arrested again (pre-recorded)
OK, now replaying child arrested.
@jopauca Joshua Paul
NYPD keeps moving line forward. Its getting really hard for ppl to breathe #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
I am extremely impressed with what I have seen so far. Smart. Courageous. Tactical. Disciplined. Very, very good stuff.
If I were a farsighted elite, I’d be getting a little nervous.
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet march was peaceful. Police kettled march and just holding us here.
3 minutes ago via txt
NYT
I got voice mail at 212-788-1400. I left a polite message.
I bet they snatched the livestream crew-member filming from the higher bridge.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
First person account: “The police aided in splittling the parade. They hijacked a group of about 500 and led them onto the bridge roadway”
4 minutes ago via web
LS prior marquee … “Call Mayor Bloomberg staffer, 212-788-1400. Demand police respect First amendment and [..]”
14,681 viewers.
I only see the one tweet about police encircling Liberty Park. Anyone have more info?
i got through and left a message for the mayor.
I can believe that. Damn near 15k watching now.
@OccupyVancouver Occupy Vancouver
Solidarity! RT @EWDolan: 3,000 protestors march towards Bank of America in Boston bit.ly/quZCb4
#occupycanada #cdnpoli #ows
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
The pedestrian bridge is where the most recent livestream feed was coming from.
LS showing prior arrests …
15,092 viewers.
15,014 watching …
NYCSep17September 17
#occupywallstreet chief pilotti ordeered protestors to be netted. Overheard officers speaking. Rt
1 minute agoFavoriteUndo RetweetReply
over 15K watching now.
I dunno..I thought I heard him at one point say his battery was dying..but I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked him off…just like they’ve been picking off peaceful marchers 1 by 1.
!5,287 …
15,436
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
” @RDevro: Walking of the bridge heard white shirt officer on radio, “can you get me some more flex cuffs?” #occupywallstreet ”
2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
15,530
The people united will never be defeated !
This is going to go viral now.
Welcome to the revolution !
New pic from lower bridge:
http://twitpic.com/6tmg06
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15,780
kennethlippKenneth Lipp
must get off twitter, please watch the livestream. #PAXPOPULI
26 seconds agoFavoriteRetweetReply
16,066
new pic: shit-tons of zip-ties
http://twitpic.com/6tmgl8
16,181
they arrested the democracy now reporter…
16,259
SIT DOWN
16,484
The new accessory for the Fall season.
16,983
LS prior marque … “Call Mayor Bloomberg staffer, 212-788-1400. Demand police respect First amendment [..]”
17,124 viewers.
NYTimes has the live feed up now
17,720
Numbers should jump now, Elliott.
@Colin_Jones Colin_Jones
Chants of “This is what democracy looks like” as the police turn them into Cadman Plaza Park. #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet
7 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Those who have advocated resisting arrest by locking arms are making a mistake.
This will frighten both the police , who will get rougher and the protesters.
Arrests are good not bad. The more arrested the better the news flash as to the numbers of people rise so will public outrage .
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These cops start at $100,000 a year , SIT DOWN Make them earn their blood money.
AlterNet.org: Watch Livestream of Occupy Wall Street Action / Mass Arrests at Brooklyn Bridge
Totally effing amazing. NYT carrying the livefeed!
Second tweet I’ve seen from same person re this:
@jopauca Joshua Paul
I was right behind this guy. Im up soon #occupywallst #occupywallstreet twitpic.com/6tmkjr
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Perhaps, freeman, humans should join hands when confronted with injustice?
DW
Just to clarify, the NYT’s feed is the LS feed — it is not a separate feed.
Yep. It makes the NYPD look silly, too.
@FreedomCO FreedomCO
Situation OK at #Libertypark live feed down but more news to come soon. #OccupyWallstreet
2 minutes ago via web
18,823
@jopauca Joshua Paul
This is how many more people are left to arrest #OccupyWallSt #OccupyWallStreet twitpic.com/6tmmfq
Sitting down and locking arms until told one’s under arrest prevents “snatch and grab” – and slows the arrest process, making PD deploy more resources. During 2004 RNC protest arrests by NYPD, we used this quite well. When told one’s under arrest, to prevent rough handling (and injury to officers’ backs), one can simply cooperate by unlinking and standing up. (exactly what I did for my 2004 arrest by NYPD. The arresting offciers showed no sign of being frightened or angry. On the contrary – after I stood up and cooperated, the arresting officer asked me if I would prefer to leave or to be arrested.)
Symboically yes but sitting down is the better option and making them carry you.
If they try to prevent arrest by having a physical struggle with the police it will taint the publics perception of the action and allow the MSM to paint us as violent.
new pic: how many people remain to be arrested from lower bridge.
http://twitpic.com/6tmmfq
Agree. My comment was in reference to mocking the protesters for using corporate products and services.
Exactly right !
@NYCSep17 September 17
#occupywallstreet police pressing protesters close and close together. People asking for space. None given
4 minutes ago via txt
Police penned in protestors on Brooklyn Bridge. Arrests happening.
Yep, locking arms only is smart if you are sitting in and clearly doing nothing.
CNN is of course not even covering this.
Welcome to the Criminal Justice system, Ron Raul supporters. We kept a seat warm.
@OccupyLV #OccupyLV
#occupywallstreet @OccupyWallSt
Hey #NYPD how many are u gona arrest today ??? tomorrow we will doble those capture today thanks
15 minutes ago via web
LS prior marquee … “Call Mayor Bloomberg staffer, 212-788-1400. Demand police respect First amendment, quit putting our gear at risk.”
20,028 viewers. Assembly sitting down.
Russia Today: “Occupy Wall Street: Big banks do nothing but big bangs” (Oct. 1, 2011, 18:47)
And also while not cooperating to offer no resistance to your being physically arrested .
The worst thing that can happen is anything which appears to verge on a riot or violence on the part of those protesting .
Over 20K watching.
One of Kevin’s Twitter list was arrested.
@TheOther99 TheOther99
Some protestors walk back holding peace signs. Spontaneous cheering from crowd assembled at Man. side.. #OWS yfrog.com/j27dnlj
remember, this was only about 500 folks that got split off by the PD – the total march I’ve seen reports of range from 2k up to 8k
also was a report the PD sort of tricked the march into splitting so this could happen
Tears in my eyes.
I was just down at Liberty Square and more marchers were headed over to the bridge.
Another live feed is here. Marchers heading back to Liberty Plaza.
http://bambuser.com/channel/melissagira/broadcast/2012505
Mine too!
First item on Yahoo’s front page news summary:
@TheOther99 TheOther99
“Occupy” white flag carried by protestors walking back from Bridge.. #OccupyBrooklynBridge #OWS yfrog.com/mf2oizzj
Nevermind, I guess it stopped.
GoldSilver.Com carrying Global Revolution live stream since Sept. 28, 2011.
good idea…
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
In Boston: on Sunday there were 2. On Monday there were 4. On Tuesday, 300. Last night, 1,000. Today: 3,000. Watch your back, Wall Street.
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Brooklyn Bridge is trending on twitter right now…
Yep, mine, too.
This is a turning point.
Bloomberg and Wall Street getting nervous.
22,000 watching on Livestresm
i’m on hold now for the news tip manager.
@OccupyLV #OccupyLV
@OccupyWallSt what’s ur status in camp ?
6 minutes ago via web
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@OccupyLV Camp seems to only have light police presence from reports.
5 minutes ago
http://yfrog.com/j2aigwzj
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/goddamned-hippies-shut-down-brooklyn-bridge/story-e6frf7jx-1226155649140
http://mypict.me/index.php?id=327353763
CNN said they are aware of the mass arrests of the wall street occupiers by the police on the brooklyn bridge. she said, “we have people on the ground.” i said, “oh, i don’t see anything on cnn.” she said, “thank you.” then she disconnected.
Go DFHs!!!
http://yfrog.com/nteeiihj
http://twitpic.com/6tmyty
Huh. Thanks for trying!
I am, apparently, no longer permitted to comment on this thread.
Thank you all for lending me your ears.
DW
OT– “3,000 protestors march towards Bank of America in Boston” (RawStory.Com, by Andrew Jones
Saturday, October 1, 2011)
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Hearing rumors that marchers were guided into arrest;analyzing vid now
2 minutes ago via txt
http://twitpic.com/6tmk1i
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
Voting on them now. We started last night. Visit occupychi.org for info RT @EWH6: @OccupyChicago what are your demands?
3 minutes ago via Echofon
It wouldn’t hurt for them to get a lot of calls if anyone else wants to give it a shot.
livestream live again and crew moving to bridge.
Liberty Plaza — live feed — going to the bridge
To the Mods at FDL.
I would very much appreaciate being allowed to continue making comments.
Barring that, I would appreciate some reasonable response to the situation; such as an explanation as to how comments are determined to be “extraneous”.
I have been a commenter, here, for many years and do not consider my comments or perspective to be “extraneous”, nor do I imagine that others will or do.
DW
Hi gw. We so desperately need veterans to validate this thing.
Police Cavalry at Brooklyn Bridge
http://mypict.me/index.php?id=327354048
livestream unlive again…
Certainly hope that can be documented. If so, it will backfire on the NYPD big-time.
@Colin_Jones Colin_Jones
Some wondering how they will get back to Manhattan and Liberty. #OccupyWallSt
15 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
FREE DW!! LET HIM GO!!
Thank you, rc, knew that I could count on you.
DW
They’ve sent the press go.
I think I saw somewhere on the Oct 6 website that peacekeepers made up of veterans would be getting training and interceding to isolate any of the protestors who try to become violent. again, i’m crying just thinking about it.
i love that the veterans get to play such an important role and that they know how very much we need their help. goodness knows, they’ve paid such a high price for their service to our country.
@OccupyAppleton #occupywisconsin
MSM will put out propaganda pieces about this protest with “goddamned hippies” as a key phrase. already saw 2. #occupywallstreet
6 minutes ago via web
Gawker staff writer Adrian Chen was there:
So, when the protest reached the bridge a large portion peeled off and started up the Brooklyn-bound roadway. People started hopping off the walkway, joining them. We went along fine for a while until we reached maybe midway. There, a phalanx of cops—maybe 50—were blocking the way. Cops began arresting people up front, and a couple caused some scuffles. Cops shoved one guy down and were kneeling on him. When they tried to drag someone else out of the crowd people held onto his arms as long as possible; a guy stole one white-shirtted cop’s hat from his head and threw it into the air. There’s definitely going to be some dramatic footage but I couldn’t tell how the rough studd started. While the scuffles continued Leaders got everyone to sit down, but the cops kept arresting people, starting from the front, even though they were sitting down. A bunch of police vans blocked off the way back to Manhattan, so people started scaling the bridge to climb up to the walkway ~10 feet above. Eventually they brought out the orange mesh and began funneling people back to manhattan one-by-one, telling everyone to keep moving cause we were all “subject to arrest.” I was maybe in the middle section of people who walked out that way—seemed like they kept arresting people up front as they were letting people out the rear.
and SD, are you following this?
@OccupySanJose OccupySanJose
We must be cautious when blaming #NYPD.Most R good, honest, wking class like us.2 feed families=follow orders.Take pity #OWS #BrooklynBridge
8 minutes ago via web
I read it on twitter from several people at the time…
Didn’t know the plan was to arrest half…
To the FDL mods. Didn’t see what you cut but please don’t cut DW. He is a valued contributor here.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Chants of, “How do you fix the deficit? END THE WAR, TAX THE RICH!” #occupyboston
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Good choice on the part of Global Revolution that while the live feed is down they keep playing the clip of the child being arrested.
There was a system glitch that banned me from commenting for a while once. Took me a little while to stop being pissed and understand that that’s technology.
What was it DW? Were they objecting to the number of your posts about the number of viewers on the live feed?
http://twitpic.com/6tn8w5
Four women let go
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
The most Boston sign at the march. #occupyboston #ourboston yfrog.com/kkxqxgqj
https://yfrog.com/kkxqxgqj
Apparently, greenwarrior, it was my posting the number of those watching the Live Feed which was the problem.
Thank you for your support, gw, I appreciate it very much. And that of joelmael, as well.
;~DW
http://twitpic.com/6tlzhv
Hope that’s not one of the thousands of bridges in this country that have been declared ‘deficient’ due to lack of revenue $$$ for infrastructure maintenance!
They say CUT BACK we say FIGHT BACK!
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Honks from a dude in a swanky Mercedes. 2nd percentile? Maybe he wants to be taxed! #occupyboston
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
I hope not. That was running news, eminently archivable within the thread…
@OccupyVancouver Occupy Vancouver
RT @AnonOws: GET UP! STAND UP! STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS! DON”T GIVE UP THE FIGHT! #occupywallstreet #occupycan… (cont) deck.ly/~lD7AC
That is precisely what I considered it to be, Petro.
DW
Yay! DWB has been liberated.
http://twitpic.com/6tnc9u
Always.
Ah, fatster, thank you for caring.
;~DW
6:02 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 1-5 m delay – LOWER EAST RIVER CROSSINGS: BROOKLYN BRIDGE (OUTBOUND) CLOSED DUE TO PROTESTORS ON THE BRIDGE // IB HEAVY TRAFFIC DUE TO RUBBERNECKING ++PEARL ST EXIT TO THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE CLOSED
still on the traffic report… 2 hours later
Best thing that could happen now, IMO.
I would agree with that. Not everyone has access to streaming video, and seeing posts of the number of LS viewers could help those people keep up with the action.
@OccupyLasVegas Occupy Las Vegas
Listened to workers on their break talking about Chase and JP Morgan and corporate greed the discussion will not stop til it’s solved #ows
7 minutes ago via web
Thank you, Eric.
Frankly, I’m glad to be back among friends and, hopefully, once again within the good graces of FDL.
DW
Thank you, dear Moderator.
I couldn’t watch it as monitoring multiple Twitter feeds slowed my comp down a lot… flashbacks of the old Windows 3.1 day with that astounding 486 processor and 4MB RAM
According to livefeed 75 arrests and still arresting. About 300+ still on bridge
http://is.gd/R5EC5X
RTÉ.Ie [Dublin, Ireland]: “2,000 people gathered in New York last night for the largest “Occupy Wall Street” protest yet.” … “‘Occupy Wall Street’ protest grows in New York” (Oct. 1, 2011, 19:18)
OT– “Wars costs $11.6bn a month, says Pentagon” (TheAge.Au, Oct. 2, 2011)
*laughs* I can remember when a 486 was a blazing machine!
@OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
Still a peaceful crowd here, enjoying the poet’s circle #occupyla
11 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
Going to Police Plaza
@OccupyBaltimore OccupyBaltimore
Stay strong in NYC. The whole world is watching. We have the numbers. #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyEverything #OccupyAmerica
11 minutes ago via web
Can someone here follow @kristengwynne?
@OccupySacto Occupy Sacramento
Occupy Sacramento’s General Assembly will be on ABC News 10 at 11pm tonight. Watch it! (Keep an eye on the 5pm… fb.me/PTWHRRiT
I’m only monitoring the OccupyTogether feed right now to try to get a sense of the rest of the country… remember lots of places are kicking off this weekend.
at the police plaza:
http://yfrog.com/ntq6ddsj
I started on a CPM XEROX 820! And because I was a Xerox field Rep I was able to add a “Daughter Board” which ran DOS on 8086 with 256k of memory….
Just got home from the march. We were towards the front. We got to Camden Plaza in Brooklyn and heard that thousands had marched, but only a few hundred were at the Plaza and it was not clear where everyone else was. The promised rally never took place (wasn’t it supposed to be at Bowling Green?) and there was a lot of confusion, but it was a great day none the less. Since I live in Brooklyn, I decided to go home when the skies got dark. I’d love to find a summary of the events. Still not really clear on what is going on.
When we got to the bridge, some people went on the the road, but most went onto the walk-way. Looked like a few hundred on the road. The police were waiting for them in force.
Editing to add that the copy made no effort at all to block people from walking on the road. It was all very confusing and I have no doubt that a lot of people walked on the road with the march thinking it was ok to do. This is where the non-planning kind of lets people down. Everyone who walked on the road should have been clear this was civil disobedient, I hope they all did know. These brave souls have my respect!
From Forbes.Com [via AP]: “Wall Street protest shuts half of Brooklyn Bridge” (Oct. 1, 2011, 06:00 PM EDT):
Guess the Associated Press (AP) wasn’t watching the live stream like the more than 20,000 rest of us.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
“I don’t know but I’ve been told— democracy’s been sold for gold.”
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
That’s excellent.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Approaching camp now!
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Occupy Boston wrapping up their march
fucking Safari auto-correct changed “cops” to “copy.” Sorry.
Has that nice boot camp ring to it…
hey my Dad was an AF drill instructor for a year back in about 1967 or so
The non-planning in Brooklyn was made up by the tactical discipline of the folks from Manhattan.
you can’t tell me they aren’t lovin’ the OT
Really, this day has been an incredible, amazing, stupendous victory. Everyone involved should be proud of themselves and what they’ve accomplished. A tone is continuing to be set, events are still unfolding, things are still growing and moving forward. People are learning and finding new ways to be effective.
Things aren’t stagnant or regressing. They’re moving forward in positive ways. Momentum is growing and building, not the other way around.
This is a good time to be a lefty. All the occupiers, marchers, protesters, and demonstrators all over the country — and hell, even the world — deserve mad props.
@OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
Ron Kovic speaking now! #occupyla #bornonthe4thofjuly
5 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
“This land is our land and we’re going to take it back.” –Ron Kovic
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
I’ll bet there’s an effective slogan in there somewhere.
Not sure what you mean. We all started in Manhattan at Liberty Plaza. Can you elaborate please?
200-300 Folks at 1 Centre Street
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Aaron of #occupybuffalo reports that 100 Buffalonians have taken their city square. Congrats to Buffalo! Solidarity!
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
And based on their behavior, it is likely the white shirts don’t get OT.
There was at least 1 tweet from the march that some folks were coming from the Brooklyn side of the bridge to join the rally in the plaza.
I thought you said you started from Brooklyn. My bad. The appearance on the LS is of a very discipline and organized body of people.
ny40something October 1st, 2011 at 3:12 pm
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@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
MORE PEOPLE ARRIVING ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM OTHER SIDE!?!?!?! #occupywallstreet livestream.com/globalrevoluti…
HA! hadn’t thought of that
Alternet: Report from Kristen Gwynne
@OCCYPYNC77 OCCUPYNC
#NYPD site defaced #OWS @AnonNCarolina2
4 minutes ago via web
Not sure that’s really a good idea… the NYPD are not the enemy (at least the rank & file) and this might just provoke them more.
We have no idea who did the action. The demonstrators have been very well behaved and disciplined.
FWIW, here are some demands that I think should definitely be included in any final compehensive list:
De-privatize the military, and reinstate the draft.
Verifiable paper ballot voting only, relegitimize the votng process, De-privatize the vote counting system.
Abolish gerrymandering of Congressional districts. Pass a federal law requiring all voting districts to be of uniform shape, with very limited exceptions, only where such are necessary.
Liberalize the ballot access laws to allow greater citizen access.
De-privatize the prison systems.
Enact strict anti-conflict of interest laws for elcted officials, with severe criminal penalties for violations.
Pass a federal law prohibiting “Betrayal of the public trust,” providing for criminal penalties, including imprisonment, for elected officials who campaign on specific platforms and who then act in direct contravention of those platforms once elected.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
From NLG at 1 police plaza: 5 buses and 2 vans arrived with arrested peaceful protesters. #NYPD reporting “several hundred” arrests.
3 minutes ago via web
Go, DW !
Amen to that.
@occupyPHX #occupyPHX
RT @DebbyBruck: #occupywallst NYPD mislead 400 protesters off legal path into illegal road then arrested them for being there. #occupyphx
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
I don’t think that tweet was correct. They may have seen people who turned back from the bridge or people who made it to Brooklyn and then headed back.
From the Kristen Gwynne report:
Police countertactic in the way they did the kettling.
Great to hear that! It did not feel that way in the crowd, but I’m the kind of person who likes to have a plan.
mass arrest buses:
http://twitpic.com/6tmruh
Thanks everybody for staying up on all of this. Going to bring the live blog up to date right now. You’re all great. I’ve been busy moving to a new apartment all day and apologize for this blog not be up to date.
Were you on the pedestrian bridge or the one for vehicles?
Kristen Gwynne:
Kevin- Please make clear that the police setup the demonstrators. From talking to people before the match started, it was not my sense that a large number of people intended to be arrested. (thought we were all prepared with the NLG phone number, etc). When we got to the bridge, the police made no effort to keep people off the roadway even thought they helped control traffic as we crossed the street.
Alternet:
At first I was on the road, just following the leaders of the match. However, after we had gone about 100 feet, word came to turn around and everyone got off the road and onto the pedestrian walkway.
LeMonde.Fr [Paris, France] – Photos: “New Yorkers are rebelling against Wall Street” (Oct. 1, 2011, 2:14 p.m.)
Holy shit! I went to the #OccupyAustin GA and look what I missed!
Is the livestream up?
Current [?] TV:
When news breaks, …
Keith’s in his cushy box at the Yankee game.
Fucker lives a few blocks from Liberty Plaza in Lower Manhattan. Hasn’t been there once in 15 days.
Kevin, you’re a hero. You have NOTHING to apologize for.
What you did was more important. Really. It is.
7:02 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 1-5 m delay – LOWER EAST RIVER CROSSINGS: BROOKLYN BRIDGE (OUTBOUND) CLOSED DUE TO PROTESTORS ON THE BRIDGE // IB HEAVY TRAFFIC DUE TO RUBBERNECKING ++PEARL ST EXIT TO THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE CLOSED.
7:02 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 6-10 m delay – (NEW YORK) F.D.R. DR SOUTHBOUND RAMP TO BROOKLYN BRIDGE . CLOSED . DUE TO PROTEST ON THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE.
gotta be about 3 hours now…
Links to Occupy San Francisco anyone? I’m having a real hard time finding what’s going on in The City. Was hoping to drive by Union Square this afternoon, but plans broke down. Might try tomorrow or during the week. Most links saying SF seem to really point to OWS.
On edit: Didn’t really mean this as a response to mary, it’s a general question.
Youtube.
HOw many people do you think were there?
#OccupySanFrancisco ( http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23OccupySanFrancisco )
Only about 50. There was a location change only an hour or so beforehand, so I’m thinking some people may have had issue with finding it.
Also, we left after only about an hour. My older one started to get a migraine and we didn’t have her medication with us. Had to get home.
Disgusting. People just standing there and the cops are grabbing and jerking them. Stupid when they know they’re being filmed.
I’m going to cite you and include in the live blog what you just wrote, word for word. If that is a problem, let me know.
I’d rather see 50 people in 1000 towns than 50,000 all in one place.
The “main” action in NYC is mainly serving as inspiration at this point.
Occupy Tampa – 400 march
Awesome
Keep watching. It gets worse.
Protestors chanting “Who’s bridge? Our bridge!” while police pluck people from the crowd.
That is fine, just change “thought” to “though”. Another Safari auto-correct error. Thank you.
They really are accomplishing their true goal of waking people up.
The GA, while I was there, was considering different opinions on “missions and values”.
After some discussion someone finally piped up with “Occupy Wall Street has already done this work for us. They released a mission statement, defined our values, declared our purpose. We just need to add our voices to theirs.”
I liked it.
Thank you
@occupy_SEATTLE solidarity
Seattle is on! #ows yfrog.com/mfu26cgj
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Marchers returning now to #:LibertyPlaza to immense applause. Welcome home! #occupywallstreet
19 minutes ago via web
@beatitudes Elijah Rising
@OccupyWallStNYC VICTORY COMES WITH TRUTH AND PERSISTENCE!
11 minutes ago via web
Call and ask where our brothers and sisters went.
Occupy San Francisco live stream (from http://worldwide-livestreams.blogspot.com )
X:-)
Kevin, you better start thinking about how to handle hostile or even rude interviews. Because very soon the PtB will have the bobbleheads invite citizen journalists on in order to try to marginalize their coverage. You very well could be one of the folks invited; I’m sure that Jane can prep you.
Excellent quality video. Thank you.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
From #occupywallstreet’er in paddywagon: “Just left central being told taking us 2 midtown north precinct. Not enough room 4 us downtown”
24 minutes ago via web
Gina Bellafante appears to want to make amends: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/nyregion/for-police-another-protest-brings-another-overreaction.html
She has gone from writing the worst article I’ve seen to date to writing a mildly friendly one in less than a week.
Two observations on the video of arrests at 594:
Lot of white shirts at the front doing the arrests, one white shirt with a jacket coaching the others. The blue shirts are in the back.
Some of the people being arrested are fighting the cops. I know it is natural, but it isn’t as nonviolent as it could be. Back in the day, we were told to go limp and let them (make them?) pick you up.
Bummer about the arrests. It was going smoothly the last few days. If the police manipulated the situation to cause entrapment, that’s not good. We have at least two journalists reported arrested, so there will be eyewitness accounts of how it happened.
Glad to hear that, because that was my take on it.
@occupygreenbay occupygreenbay
one law enforcement official said was “a planned move on the protesters.”cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/pol…
#occupywallstreet #WIunion #occupywisconsin
1 minute ago via web
From my vantage point towards the front of the march, you got it right.
Keep in mind that a lot of the people probably did not intend to be arrested. Imagine the anger, fear, and adrenaline you would feel if you were TRAPPED in a situation like this.
Make signs that read
Hire Cops and Firemen
Fire Bankers and CEOs
Bonus for First Responders
Lay off Bankers
Thanks for these notes. I think you make some very good points.
These people are Superheroes,they are American Citizens, they are Freedom Men and Women standing up to the evil of their time. This culture of greed is wrong, stand with these people.
LOL. I guess sometimes a good slap upside the head can get good results. The commenters to her original article really ripped her a new one. This one is much better.
A few on my Twitter list were arrested. @fuelnyc too
Agree. All in one place, easy to marginalize. All over, for more than 1-3 days, hard to marginalize.
W00T!
An excellent video. Some observations:
There is a white shirt in a blue jacket with scrambled eggs on his cap bill who seems to be in command. There is a large white shirt who seems to be a little hot-headed and being lectured by the guy in charge; I would be curious who that guy is. He is the one they send after the protesters. Could this be OJT for Tony Baloney? Just wild speculation.
The response of the first ten rows or so of the protesters is to sit down and link arms. Excellent.
The cops are arbitrarily picking folks for arrest. It looks like they are doing some sort of profiling of people who look like “youthful hotheads” and women. The first response of one arrested is to go limp into the crowd. The designated white shirt pulls on him; the crowd grabs to hold on to him. The white shirt starts beating on one of the other folks arms the get them to release the guy they are arresting.
Later they go for a kid in a bandana.
And then a black dude with dreads.
And then a very feisty woman.
As it goes on, it takes more officers to arrest each one.
Aside from the kids who lost discipline and resisted arrest, that’s the way to do it. Passive. If they succeed in isolating or yanking you from the crowd, do not resist.
People being what they are, it is tricky for this to happen 100%.
Brilliant
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
Security is now called Peacemaking. “Not a source of authority; rather, a way to look out for each other.”
5 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Excellent idea.
@OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
The website at http://www.occupywallst.org is back to work.
5 minutes ago via Twitter for Mac
I’ve really made an effort not to spam with this, but I’m going to drop the link again because it’s been a couple days.
http://bit.ly/pQd1ce
This store is set up in conjunction with members of the GA and the Media Team at #OccupyWallStreet. ALL proceeds go to support the needs of the occupiers.
If you could contribute with a purchase, share the link, and help raise funds, they are much needed.
On a more personal note, there’s also a new #OccupyAustin section. Based on the discussions we had today at the GA in downtown Austin funds are in short supply. A lot of love, a lot of ideas, a lot of passion, but no money.
Please show your support and help these occupations continue.
Public Service Announcement from Colleen Rowley, FBI Whistleblower and 2002 Time Person of the Year in preparing for #Oct6 in Washington, DC.
Thank you, Twain …
;~DW
I’ll second this sentiment, Eric, wholeheartedly.
DW
@OccupyLA #OccupyLA
We hear it too. #OccupyLA RT @Cynthia_Price: news Helicopters overhead @occupyla
8 minutes ago via Echofon
Picture of GA
(person being RT’d here is Mark Ruffalo, the actor. Apparently he’s been there all day and is actively tweeting, getting involved. Part of the crowd.)
YW. Got to support our buddies.
I would add: Return to the Rule of Law, rc.
DW
Why isn’t this on the front page? C’mon, FDL, priorities.
:~DW
It started on the front page around 8am. Still going.
Guess who donated $4.6M to the NYCPD Foundation. (hint: CEO’s initials are J.D.)
yes but now the top story on the main page is Pam Spaulding promoting her interweb personality- doesn’t this software have a “sticky” feature?
By the way, I don’t know who did the “Occupy the Streets” graphic way up at the top of this page, but it’s fantastic.
8:02 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 1-5 m delay – LOWER EAST RIVER CROSSINGS: BROOKLYN BRIDGE (OUTBOUND) CLOSED DUE TO PROTESTORS ON THE BRIDGE // IB HEAVY TRAFFIC DUE TO RUBBERNECKING ++PEARL ST EXIT TO THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE CLOSED.
8:02 PM
NYC BULLETIN – 6-10 m delay – (NEW YORK) F.D.R. DR SOUTHBOUND RAMP TO BROOKLYN BRIDGE . CLOSED . DUE TO PROTEST ON THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE.
still on the traffic report almost 4 hours later
if it WAS the PD that led the group onto the bridge, then it is the PD responsible for closing down half the Brooklyn Bridge for at least 4 hours
Any thought of starting a new thread…? 600+ comments is a bunch much, to expect somebody to wade thru, eh…?
649 comments. Is that a new high for the liveblog?
Or 651
*waves to CT*
Lisa Derrick’s report from Occupy LA – totally awesome!
lotsa pics
Yes, CTut, when it hits 300+, a new thread should be put up, especially when it concerns events as important as today’s …
DW
Photo of little girl arrested…
Kevin is moving apartments today, has been in and out. I’m sure when he gets settled he’ll start a new thread.
Blatant, ain’t it? Sometimes I wonder if Dimon is sniffing coke rails off of greenbacks.
“Money Money Money” – ABBA
Aloha, Kris…! I don’t think so, the Libby threads were pretty lengthy…!
Unlike Libby…
Until tonight, wasn’t as bad as the main competitor, DKos. They’ve been ignoring it completely, not even promoting diaries about it to the main page. Quite telling what their true priorities are (Democratic Party elections/partisan politics > non-party aligned grassroots movements).
She is… ADORABLE!! (And so composed, from the video capture.)
Does anyone know that girl’s age? She looked like a fifth-grader. Thank god a dangerous criminal like her has been removed from the streets!
Pic.
I’ve seen comments from 10-13. 13 being the most recent I saw in the tweet this pic was attached to.
Yeah. What a hardened criminal.
Nice loose cuffs, though. Subversive love from the cops?
My thoughts too…! ;-0
Anybody see this great news report outta Beantown…
Hub police arrest 24 in protest vs. Bank of America…
Two dozen trespassing protesters were happily hauled off from Bank of America’s downtown offices last night in a gesture of civil disobedience against what they say are the leading lender’s unfair foreclosure practices.
“They wanted to be arrested, and we obliged,” Boston police Commissioner Edward F. Davis told the Herald last night as he stood on the outskirts of Dewey Square, observing hundreds gathered in a rush-hour protest. The crowd grew to an estimated 3,000 by nightfall.
None of those arrested at Bank of America resisted, Davis said. “No trouble at all. It’s a great group.” [...]
Bank of America spokesman T.J. Crawford dismissed last night’s trespass and protest as a public-relations ploy.
“These individuals choose to ignore the facts and instead focus on increasingly aggressive PR stunts,” Crawford said. “Bank of America has a lot to be proud of in Massachusetts, from modifying 18,000 mortgages since 2008, to lending nearly $400 million to small businesses that are fueling the local economy in the first half of 2011.”
Mind ya, that’s the Boston Herald, not the Globe reporting…!
Well, Kris, numbers got me in trouble today but your comment brings it to “666″ … which certainly signifies “something”. And thanks for the info about Kevin’s move …
;~DW
add to my last post: It’s too big for DKos to ignore now (and similar liberal sites if they have been deliberately ignoring OWS) without it being obvious to the sites’ members that they’re deliberating ignoring a grassroots movement from the left because it’s not aligned with the Democratic Party.
Looks like I got the “666″ number. Happy to take one for the firebaggers…
Hard for me to love and embrace them as the 99% when they’re arresting little girls.
The 1% are getting nervous, CTut. Did you happen to hear of Mayor Bloomberg’s little scorn-fest, today … it has a post of its own, also by Kevin and well worth a peruse.
;~DW
You da man, Petro…!
AP says 400 have been arrested so far. I hope to make it out tomorrow. Sun-Tues should be more cloudy/rainy unpredictable weather, then the current forecast, which changes frequently, looks great (in comparison to the past 7+ days).
Twitpic.
Well, the numbers seem to be jumpin’ around a wee bit, Petro, but your valor is noted and much appreciated.
;~DW
I hear that. But what’s “hard” separates the wheat from the chaff. Big love.
That is so fucking cool.
That 13-year-old girl should have known better. If only she’d had the 64-crayon box with the sharpener, instead of the 32, the cops would have given her a pass.
Did you see the 7:56pm clip. The white shirt starts getting rough with random people, I guess a superior came by and started scorning him, pointing his finger in his face.
I think they’re in a tight spot now. On the one hand they need to protect the PTB and try to scare people away from protesting, on the other they have to deal with widespread media, public, lawyer attention. They’re going for mass arrests, avoiding situations that grab media attention (like the pepper spraying).
Oh yeah.
Best moment of the #OccupyAustin GA today was when someone started to get a bit adversarial with an opinion. Cross-talk erupted and things started to get a bit out of hand. A woman to my left yelled “I fucking love all of you!” and everyone stopped. Then erupted in applause.
Second item on Yahoo front page headlines:
The shark and the missing blonde were not available for comment.
Just reposting the Twitter lists for folks who want to monitor themselves:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
That is so cool. And nice of you to arrange for it to be easily translated.
That’s cool too. Lotsa cool stuff today!
One thing that I’m very eager to do is to grab my Poncho, sleeping bag, Flipcam, Netbook, and camp out on the National Lawn…! My only impediment is that I’m in the middle of the Pacific…! 8-(
Exactly, OWS is not just those affiliated with activist subculture anymore, it’s nearly all the types of people in NYC now, including people who will respond with aggression (not intentionally, but they’re not thinking like a left activist [peaceful no matter what]).
It seemed on the LS to be fairly diverse. I was impressed.
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
Can you all see now? Ustream.tv/channel/OccupyChicago
12 minutes ago via Echofon
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
our live stream channel is NOT live right now. it is playing previous videos. we have had tech difficulties on the ground.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck
i went too! but i thought it was at barton springs again. so i went home to check my computer (yes, i know, luddite here) and found out it was at saltillo plaza. by the time i got over there, the meeting had ended.
catch me up, please, on what happened.
Amen to that, she said, blowing kisses.
There’s 12,000 people watching the LS! I’m sure it was higher than that this afternoon. Amazing. They’re short on power sources because there’s too many people. May be hard for me to blog from there.
@OccupySacto Occupy Sacramento
Ok … apparently the OccupySacramento broadcast on KCRA 3 will be in the next segment …. the 6:00 news
27 minutes ago via Facebook
Formed a few working groups for outreach to labor, outreach to coalitions, outreach to APD. Formed a finance committee to oversee funds and expenditures.
Discussed city laws regarding occupation. It is absolutely forbidden to sleep on public property in the city, so the occupiers are going to have to decide whether or not they want to risk arrest.
Committee/working group was formed to try to establish missions and values for the group, but that part of the discussion ended with a gentleman reminding people that we’re all here because of #OccupyWallStreet and they’ve laid it out for us. This was really well received.
I had to leave after that because my 10 yr old was getting a migraine. She was starting to feel terrible and we didn’t have her medication with us.
GREAT sign.
My sympathies. I have very close “locals” friends there, and due to my personal low-carbon-footprint pledge, it’s unlikely I’ll ever see them again. 8-( I have to be satisfied with FB interface.
@PWeiskel08 Paul Weiskel
Media/message group is hijacking/monopolizing #occupyboston General Assembly.
10 minutes ago via Echofon
possibly they seem a bit TOO organized for some?
they need to make sure their GA is properly giving people time to voice their own opinions
It was great to see so many people of color. I can’t recall being in such a diverse protest crowd since the anti-apartheid protests of the 80s.
Establish rotating shifts so that some group is always “on duty”?
The Occupy Chicago folks had similar trouble, but a compromise with the cops let them sleep in cars parked adjacent to their protest site.
This was actually the suggestion by the local PD. Work in shifts so people are always there, but not sleeping.
That’s kinda cool, actually.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Dear @NYtimes, you’re welcome 4 the livestream. Just send coffee plz #needsoftheoccupiers cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/pol…
5 minutes ago via web
When I got there, I asked a woman how many people there had been and she said about 100. She also said there had been about 200 the day before.
Keep being blatant, J. It is the arrogance of the emperor without de clothing – more people are catching on.
@occupybuf Occupy Buffalo
**Occupy Buffalo’s first public general assembly was a total SUCCESS** Over 80 citizens from all over Western NY… fb.me/1b0csJ74x
2 minutes ago via Facebook
I joined up with the “values” group who were convening after the meeting. We came up with good ones: solidarity, equality for all, justice, stewardship, love and more.
When we left a little after 4:30 there were only 50.
@OccupySF #OccupySF
RT @JackRice345: Just got the permission to use tents at #occupySF
4 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
Excellent. I was worried that some folks were being too specific. There were a lot of specific suggestions but I think the message needs to be broad to cover and speak to as many people as possible.
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
We are in desperate need of ponchos right now! RT RT RT!
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
weather must be turning on them
Wow…
are you going tomorrow? it’s scheduled for 4-7pm in republic square downtown.
one of the men after the austin ga was trying to say that we should send our money to occupywallstreet and send people to ny rather than dilute, especially since ny is a big media market. he didn’t get much agreement from those of us there, but someone suggested he put it on the agenda for tomorrow’s ga.
It was up to about 21K for a while earlier.
My,my. Isn’t the Gray Lady dainty? [teacup with pinky extended]
ditto
Tone of writing sort of alarmist, but some great pics of the crowd on the bridge:
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/10/01/nypd-mass-arrests-crowd-white-shirts-recorded-beating-occupywallstreet-protestor-74531/
starting to get “database connection error” or some such when trying to post – think we overloading this thread?
Of course. I was just offering my current new ideas, and assuming rule of law would already be at the top of any lists. You know it’s always at the top of mine.
Wife and I have plans to see the live broadcast of the 25th anniversary special Phantom of the Opera in Pflugerville. Probably won’t be over until 5, then we’ve gotta pick up the kids. If there’s time we’re planning to head down there.
lol
I could start up another live blog. But it is late tonight. Let’s just make do with the cumbersome nature of this as I post additional video/photos etc.
It does it to me all the time with know rhyme or discernible reason.
New York City General Assembly Calendar
I think NYC has plenty of people. It’s not like protests in the past where we had to do everything we could to get anyone left activist leaning to come out to one location just to get 2,000-50,000 (depending on the protest and location). There’s 17 million people in NYC, almost all are in the 99%, many of them in deep poverty, more and more are coming out.
Austin’s far away and you’ll be able to get more people involved staying local. Only a few with the privilege of having a long vacation or whatever the case me be, will be able to make it to NYC. Of course, if that person and anyone else from Austin wants to go to NYC on their own, they can go for it.
LOL. Had to check back to my comment to see why I deserved kisses from you. Now I’m just jealous.
If you come, would you be willing to hold up a simple FDL sign so we can find each other?
what part of the world do you live in, kevin? are you finished moving? do you like your new apartment? it can be really exhausting to move, let alone also run the world’s premier blog.
More than 500 arrested in Wall Street protest (Reuters)
Just got an email:
“Hey Job Partiers,
Wow, has the Occupy Wall Street effort ever hit a cord!
There is an exciting energy in the air surrounding it, with the only comparison I have being the beginning of the Wisconsin uprising.
Likewise, Progressives of all stripes are starting to show solidarity, which is culminating in a march to Wall Street from City Hall this Wednesday.
Take Action: join the Job Party and a host of labor and community groups Wednesday after work for the Community / Labor march to Wall Street.
Not in New York? Please help spread the word that every day union workers and community members are rising up on Wall Street and around the country to fight back against the class war on working families.
On Twitter? We are using #p2NY in addition to #OccupyWallStreet to organize on the ground and amplify the action from it.
From Egypt to Wisconsin, we have seen how inspiring these kind of actions can be. Let’s build on the lessons from them, and keep the momentum going!
Forward,
–Harry Waisbren, Job Party organizer
http://www.jobparty.us/ ”
These guys are a spin-off of the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA).
Back when Wisconsin was starting up they got some folks wearing cheesehats to protest in Manhattan and it got some press.
They are more the “October 6th” type of group I suppose, but the more the merrier, if they can deliver more union and community activist types.
i agree 1000%. in fact, i think the protest being everywhere gives it more validity. in addition to your very good points.
are you still planning to go to new york?
watching everyone on the brooklyn bridge today, reminded me of when i walked across the bridge with tons of other people. there was a subway strike in new york and i lived in brooklyn near the bridge and worked in the wall street area. my boss had told me i should just stay home and i told him to call me when he wanted me to come in. about a week into it, he gave a call and i joined all my fellow new yorkers commuting by foot instead of by subway. it was really fun.
What’s the story with this? There were a couple tweets about police at Z park during the BK bridge arrests.
Absolutely.
I’ll check into tomorrow’s liveblog and leave a note on what we’re going to do before we leave for the show.
Either that or you can find me on twitter. @Notorious2again
I know, rc, and your list was excellant and readily graspable.
I should simply like to see a broader and deeper appreciation of the Rule of Law among “the people” for it IS the basis of government of the people, by the people and for the people … which is, clearly, the only way this nation can actually move forward toward genuine, participatory democracy, as we are seeing demonstrated on the streets of New York these past fifteen days.
There is too little understanding of the Rule of Law; many believing it is an idealistic “goal” that cannot be achieved … and too many imagining that it is only worthwhile in times of peace, thinking it expendable and a hindrance during times when the nation is at war. One can easily guess the fate of the Rule of Law during an “endless” war, as dear happy’s comments yesterday made John Wayne-plain.
I do not know, rc, if you saw earlofhuntingdon’s http://my.firedoglake.com/earlofhuntingdon/2011/04/29/royal-weddings-and-the-rule-of-law/? But many more such educational “opportunities” of coming to understand and appreciate the Rule of Law are required if the people of this nation are to rise appropriately and successfully to the occassions before us …
DW
That is really revolting.
@TheOther99 TheOther99
Nearly 100 NYPD Officers assembled a few hundred feet from #Zuccotti. PIX11 & Univision sat trucks on scene.. #OWS yfrog.com/khlcjaxj
i’m not on twitter. i’m also not able to check the internet when i’m not home. it looks like it’s about getting to that time for me to change that situation, but, in the meantime, just hold up an FDL sign and i’ll find you.
@allisonkilkenny allisonkilkenny
RT @natashalennard: #OccupyWallStreet I got let go. After hours on police bus. Most ppl still handcuffed on bu… (cont) deck.ly/~a6K0X
5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Occupy Chicago livestream (UStream)
Go Kevin, making a bid for the all time comment record. Fame is where you find it lol. Just kidding, we all think you are doing an amazing awesome job. Hope you had a smooth move.
@nycrickshaws David Sirk
@allisonkilkenny @natashalennard they got a bus sitting in front of the Precinct Midtown North 53rd between 8th and 9th the street closed
3 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
NY Post: Wall St. protesters shut down Brooklyn Bridge
Rupert’s getting worried.
Will do. And if you can, check in to tomorrow’s live blog before noon. I’ll try to remember to leave a note on whether or not we’ll be there. Really depends on how long the show is.
I’ll second that, rc.
Much appreciation to Kevin, these posts have been among the most-riveting to be found anywhere on the net, as well as some of the very most important.
DW
KABC: Occupy LA protesters march on City Hall
Just read earl’s diary, DW. It was excellent, as were the thoughtful comments following it. earl knows his stuff, no doubt, and you should always be assured that any decent lawyer will have a deep love and respect for the rule of law.
@OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
A lot of arrests today. Can u help support us as we support those arrested? Order pizza: @liberatospizza seamless.com/food-delivery/…
28 minutes ago via web
http://www.seamless.com/food-delivery/Liberatos-Pizza-Parmigiana-New-York-City.2674.r
@dragonfire1024 Jason Safoutin
LIVE stream to continue “all through the night. Emergency lights being erected. cameramen positioned around park.” #occupywallstreet
28 minutes ago via TweetDeck
MIKE CHECK. Mike Check.
I AM NOW. I am now.
OFFICIALLY AND HAPPILY. officially and happily.
BLOWING KISSES TO. blowing kisses to.
REALITYCHECKER. realitychecker.
**and the crowd goes wild, raising their hands and madly wiggling all their fingers**
I’m out for the night folks. Time to watch a movie or something.
Thanks again to all the contributors, to Kevin, and especially to the folks on the ground.
As SD says, no war but class war.
@SabzBrach Joanne Michele
Heavy police presence tonight-foot, cars and vans around Liberty, across st. and mobile cmd mvmt 2 blocks over.
26 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
@OccupyChicago Occupy Chicago
City trucks helping with trash pickup, @joshmuckraker giving pedicab rides of people back and forth this is a people’s movement! #solidarity
3 minutes ago via Twitter for Android
Anyone planning a nite shift tonight?
I hope those decent lawyers, if they ever become federal judges, might continue to have that deep love and respect, rc, as I maintain that the Fatal Flaw of the Law, is the apparent inability of the Judicial branch, co-equal with the Executive and Congressional branches, to recognize the “patterns” which make clear that the “law” is being used to destroy the Rule of Law.
And, I further hope … that those decent lawyers might stand, in articulate solidarity, with those human beings who now stand for justice AND the Rule of Law on the streets of New York, today … and tomorrow …
Glad that you liked EOH’s diary, btw.
DW
@Occupy_Boston Occupy Boston
MAJOR THANK YOU to Mike Boyce @BargainOutlet in Brighton for donating 8 pallets to us today! We are so grateful!
6 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
i can easily check the liveblog before noon. will do.
cute: occupy austin has tomorrow’s general assembly listed as taking place in republic square from 4:04 pm to 7:07 pm.
someone’s got a good sense of humor.
I’ve got work tomorrow so I’ll have to go soon.
Makes you wonder if the police are planning something, or just a precaution as they are unsure how the occupiers might react to today’s events.
Way cool.
Ok…so someone clear this up..It appears that a large group of the protesters were led off the pedestrian walkway of the bridge onto the car lanes…where up a ways on the bridge, awaiting them were many police officers and wagons lined up across the car lanes blocking them. Ok…so riddle me this, if the cops were waiting across the lanes of traffic blocking the pedestrians ability to walk over the bridge, then the cops would have already shut down traffic on the bridge to get themselves lined up across it. So the cops shut down the bridge car traffic before the marchers even got there. The protesters didn’t cause the traffic issues, the police did that before the protesters got there. All that crap and headlines saying marchers were responsible for the traffic delays is bogus. They marchers were entrapped by the police…it was deliberate and planned.
My guess is the latter, since they already planned (and executed) something. I don’t think they would plan two counter-offensives for the same 24-hour period.
One of the best things you could do now is to get copies of NYC ordinances regarding assemblies, etc and pass them out to everyone so everyone is armed with the law and not just what you think the law should be. Even Bush’s Rummy said, “We work with the rules we have, not the rules we wish we had.”
Use the law to your advantage instead of letting the NYPD and the Wall St army of lawyers undermine you at every step before you take them.
The right wingers will undermine you in every way they can imagine. Don’t allow them to.
By the way, this isn’t just what democracy looks like — this is what offense looks like.
I approve.
It seems like the movement is too far ahead to close it down, but then I didn’t expect 500 arrests today. I am a tad concerned that something may happen tonight.
Ya think?
@OccupyDallas Occupy Dallas
That’s Google News, #1 spot! RT @AnonymousIRC news.google.com
| Top news. MSM, try to ignore us. We do not care. #99Percent
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
https://www.google.com/news
going to take a screenshot for posterity
that is what it looks like.
The NYCLU has been handing out palm cards that summarize NY law and provide phone numbers. The National Lawyers Guild has been on the scene doing training.
As for any plans for a primary challenge to Obama, I doubt the Dems will even risk a convention. Remember ’68? Occupy Obama headquarters one town at a time maybe?
OK so I apologize that I’m a bit slow here…but seriously the fact that anyone in the media is even remotely suggesting otherwise (that the protesters caused this disruption on the bridge) is just maddening and a fool…I mean seriously, how anyone in gawds name with a reporters hat on could honestly write that crap given the logistics and number here that it was anything but a set-up by the NYPD is just part of the problem…earth to underpaid corporate reporter and headline writer…use common sense…this was deliberate and premediated move by the NYPD to entrap peaceful marchers….several of your own got netted in this operation…what you gonna do about it. …stop repeating the lies….stop protecting the corporate overlords and the PTB.
Well, if everyone IS arrested and ordered out the worse they can do is hold you for a few hours, maybe a day or two then release you..Most likely just write a ticket then release, but you can go right back and start all over..
I’m not guaranteeing the cops won’t do something tonight. I just don’t think they will. In fact, I feel pretty certain they won’t.
Their actions today were designed to scare people. They fired a warning shot, in an attempt to scare future would-be protesters off. They were saying, “If you persist in your current course of action, we will take our gloves off.”
I think now they will wait to see what demonstrators do next. I think the next step for protestors is a new offensive — some new escalation. This is strictly a guess on my part, but it may be the case that simply holding forth in the park won’t be enough.
I don’t know this — it’s just a guess — but some sort of new action may be required. I don’t know what, exactly. I would think it would have to be something that would win wider support and awareness, however.
Think of how many people still don’t know what’s going on in New York City (and other places), or don’t know that much — people who might otherwise be supportive, but are perhaps simply too stressed or tired from their own lives to be paying very close attention.
I think that any new offensive must engage larger numbers of people, or at least raise their awareness level. The only thing standing between the current occupants of the park and mass arrest of all of them is the fact that some people actually do know what’s going on and are following it. That mass consciousness needs to be deepened and widened.
Perhaps an action at Fox News? I mean, everyone even remotely on the left hates Fox News, right? Maybe a march down there? Or maybe go the other way with it, and march on PBS or NPR (do they have offices in New York?). I don’t know, but perhaps a march on a major media outlet is the way to go?
Yep.
You want to kill a movement? That would be a great way to separate off esepecally middle class and churchgoing African-Americans, like my neighbors, from #occupywallstreet. There are a lot of folks who both support #occupywallstreet and President Obama.
The Democratic National Convention will be held in Charlotte, NC. I hope that the Occupy Everything movement is strong enough to send 500,000 to a million folks to march through the streets of Charlotte with the same discipline that folks in NYC have shown the last two days. With proper arrangements, that might be positive transformative event.
Whether Obama or someone else is elected President is at this point irrelevant as long as there remains a bought Congress.
Just reposting the good Twitter lists for folks who want to monitor themselves:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/take-wall-street
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
PLUS ***
these more general feeds may contain rumors and disinformation – verify things if possible
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/occupywallst
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23takewallstreet
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/ows
I wish I wasn’t old and crippled up.. and 1000 miles away with an elderly woman to take care of..
Life’s gonna suck when you grow up…no truer words spoken..
Yes, all went well. Moved just days before I fly out of Chicago and land in DC to begin covering October 2011.
I think that enough people are paying attention now, throughout this nation and around the world, ysd, that any untoward moves made by “authority” will only strengthen resolve … and, if there is violence, it wil now be reasonably assumed to have been instigated by the police at the behest of Bloomberg or federal “authority” …
I share your concerns for the well-being of the human beings who are courageously standing for all of us, yet I am convinced that they well know what they are doing and do so with conscience and courage.
The police have already proven that they will engage in entrapment, seeking to bring negative publicity to OWS … just as emal suggests @765 … however, there are enough witnesses to disprove any contentions that OWS is to blame or at fault.
“Authority”, whether it knows it or not … is, now, on notice and under scrutiny …
DW
If’n you’re talking about the NY Post article, realize that it’s just a Murdoch turd.
and a bought President.
It’s not like police wouldn’t naturally have to arrest people marching on the bridge. Back in the day, the Golden Gate Bridge was shut down by protesters (ACT UP, IIRC). It’s a great way to get people *against* a protest.
Keep in mind you’re going up against a global Goliath with trillions of dollars who isn’t about to just give those trillions up without a BIG fight and they’re greedy mokos and dangerous to boot. If anyone thinks they would remotely hesitate to unleash a real shitstorm if threatened is dreaming. They live like kings and truly believe they are in fact kings and they have an army dressed in NYPD uniforms.
If I were strategizing, at this point I would have some sort of event with the Religious Left, just to dramatize the breadth of the coalition. But that’s just me.
It would have the benefit of being a totally nonviolent action that would be with a group that would deter police action. And would push the envelope of mainstreaming.
And a mostly complicit and compliant Judiciary …
DW
You got a $1B to buy him back? The problem is that no matter what your opinions, conventional electoral politics requires bribing the corporate media, which requires taking bribes yourself. Or not winning. Like I said. Irrelevant right now.
Do you think it might be possible for current occupiers to join with the religious left for a march on Fox? Do you think it would even have merit?
I wish you could see the huge grin on my face right now. Right back at you, sweet thing.
Actually, I may be an overly suspicious bugger, but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the action earlier today wasn’t an attempt to provoke some response from the crowd at Liberty Plaza. The protesters have marched on police stations previously in support of the arrested, and I think the plan now is to provoke another march, deplete the numbers at the Plaza, and use ANYTHING as a pretext to arrest those remaining.
I said earlier that arresting the women and children first was an attempt to manufacture a casus belli, {Why else would the NYPD start surrounding the park around the time the arrests began?} but the protesters were too disciplined for that. So the NYPD goes to a backup plan. Arrest 500 to try and draw out the rest. But I don’t think that plan will work either.
And I think – despite reports that there is not enough holding space for those arrested – NYPD is fully capable of pulling off two major anti-free speech offensives in one night. And I think the white shirts are eager to do it. Because they’re probably catching all sorts of heat from the higher ups. After all, Bloomberg must be getting desperate to “end that thing” – Occupy Wall Street is making him look weak before his 1% buddies.
I do agree with Eric though, in that the NYPD will likely not move tonight, but I think it will be due to the restraint of the protesters, not the police.
If they “authority” and “money-power” react violently, marty, then they seal their own fate.
The “mask” may have slipped, some time ago, revealing the death-face of “authority” underneath and their own myths will now be turned upon them … however much they may imagine and believe that they are above the law.
The people of this nation are war weary and disgusted with the deliberate destruction of the economy … their eyes are now open as never before.
DW
Your mouth, God’s ears, DW. Checking out in a mo’. Good night to you and all the other wwonderful people here. Smell the freedom.
The ability of those trillions of dollars to do something depends on people following orders. Revolutions occur when people stop following orders of oppressors. And the police, military, and media are the key institutions to watch. And two out of three of those are populated by the 99%. When they become conscious in large enough numbers that they are part of the 99%, the situation will change. Money is powerful, but not determinative in the face of popular will.
…So my point is that herding protesters onto the bridge so that the protest would become civil disobedience and then swoop in to do mass arrests was not just a psyops plan against the marchers. It was psyops perpetrated against the people of NYC.
Oh, I definitely agree with this. If they wanted to, there’s no doubt they could.
Good night, rc, sleep well.
DW
Absolutely true.
Oh but I believe I read early on during the march that there were other traffic reports citing delays/ issues on the bridge due to protesters marching….essentially initial reporting of course blaming protesters and not the NYPD for causing the traffic problems there. And then how do they arrest people for blocking traffic, when the cops had done that before they arrived…whatever…it’s all just a small common sense thinking that just gets thrown out the window…. but it’s just one more thing that pisses me off about the whole thing.
I’ve never had much faith in the media especially since the run up to the Iraq War, and they are a huge part of the problem (yes perhaps a march over to the news studios)…and now to see the cops doing this really turned my stomach and disappointed me because it’s their pensions and jobs we are fighting to protect.
It’s late and I’m brain fried and well…good night everyone. I’m so proud of all those who are out there supportive of this movement…it’s all we have left at this point and we really have nothing else to loose. I am the 99% …good night.
Random spam for #800.
On edit: Dammit!
The attempt will be to provoke a wildcat protest that lacks tactical discipline and goes wild. As long as the folks involved are aware that this is one of the strategies and keep discipline, these attempts will fail. The presence of that discipline is what has marked these protests so far.
‘Nite realitychecker.
Guess who provides the information for the traffic reports?
This is completely true.
You are a bright light in the darkness, Kevin. Thank you.
I truly hope they’re not insulted that I left them out.
Just to see the size of Occupy Boston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDCNFJByXbA
That in itself would be something we’d be taking note of here even if Occupy Wall Street wasn’t happening. Over 2 dozen arrested.
You are correct, ysd, this was a move against “the people”, in general … but Imsuspect that the people are, more than ever before, inclined to understand in their numbers precisely what is happening despite what the Mouthpieces of “Authority”, the media (which is increasingly understood to be PART of the Political Class) might try to “spin” …
OWS is revealing the truth … “Authority” is revealing the poverty of its options and legitimacy … “Authority” is losing the mandate of power as quickly as they are losing control of the situation AND themselves.
Such panic as there is … is in the halls of power and in the towers of money.
Smell the freedom.
Is it not sweet?
DW
Kisses happily received. And the grin too.
YES! Exactly! That is EXACTLY what the NYPD whiteshirts are hoping for. And it is a testament to the determination of the protesters that their discipline has held firm throughout the provocations.
Also, since I know a lot of us don’t bother scrolling back up to check the post, I’m gonna mention this down here. The New York Times has changed the opening sentence of their article. At 6:59 it read, “After allowing them onto the bridge, the police cut off and arrested dozens of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators.” At 7:19 it read, “In a tense showdown over the East River, police arrested hundreds of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators after they marched onto the bridge’s Brooklyn-bound roadway.”
Let them tremble, gw … let them gnash their teeth … and rave at the heavens.
;~DW
I just watched the videos of the bridge on Kevin’s live blog and I find them troubling. The people at the front of the march (including the ones with the balloons) were supposed to be guiding us on the route. It *sounds* like they intentionally led people onto the roadway knowing it was an act of civil disobediance. Am I misunderstanding what I’m hearing in the video? I hope so, because getting people into a situation like that without their knowledge or consent is shameful.
Good catch, dash, may the world be reminded of this “change” when the “story” is “spun” …
DW
Yes, we definitely know they have the power and are brutal. We’ve known that for a very long time. It’s the extreme escalation of overreach, at the expense of just about everyone else, that is creating the desperation and the courage to push back.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/more-than-500-arrestedwall-street-protest_592911.html
Hundreds arrested over banks demo in New York
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15140328
Your concern is appropriate and reasonable, NickS, yet perceptions here suggest that it was the NYPD who might have set the lead marchers “up” …
If people were deliberately misled by those at the front, then “shameful” must be added to dishonest and dangerous …
Let us see if we may find out the truth, for it is an issue which might be used to divide … and thereby to conquer, to diminsh, and to belittle.
DW
And so it goes. We know what happened, and so does the NYT.
Now it’s 700 arrested.
I think DW’s analysis is correct. I think the NYPD just ran a big sting operation.
“Earlier on Saturday, two other marches went over the bridge without problems. One was from Brooklyn to Manhattan by a group opposed to genetically modified food. Another in the opposite direction marched against poverty.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/01/national/main20114373.shtml
Maybe the whole thing was a failed attempt to link up with these other marches?
have you got the screen shots?
It wouldn’t make sense for the Direct Action committee to pull a stunt like that. This is an open source movement. If that was some conspiracy decided by a small group without the knowledge of the whole GA, the truth would get out and those people would not be trusted for such a position in the future.
Few possibilities: Conspiracy by small group in Direct Action committee (least likely imo); Police had this planned and made it unfold the way it did; general confusion, split second poor decisions made, others following along thinking it must be fine or getting swept up with others thinking that. I think a mix of the last 2 is likely what happened. We’ll find out. On to tomorrow.
Well, one thing that I see in the videos is that it looks like the balloons, particularly the ones ahead of the guy with the camera are predominately along the left side of the bridge. I wouldn’t be surprised if some balloon-holders hopped the railing once the crowd moved onto the lower span. But you have a valid concern, and it needs to be answered.
Driving the Rich Into the Sea
by Scott Adams the creator of Dilbert and from the wallstreet journal
According to biologists, billions of years ago the first sea creature wiggled onto the beach. This was a pivotal moment in life’s long march from amorphous sea snot into the highest form of mammalian beings—hedge-fund managers. Many people see that as an improvement, but I’m not judgmental. What we don’t know is why the first sea creatures were so anxious to leave their ocean habitats. My guess is that it had something to do with taxes.
Reliable people on television have informed me that taxes are the root cause of all behavior. And that means we can predict the future by looking at tax policy. In fact, I hear tax-related predictions every time I accidentally stop thinking about myself long enough to notice that others are talking.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204138204576601000374936460.html
Kevin’s already got them in the blog post. I was just repeating them down here. I keep two blog windows open, one to comment in, the other to check updates.
“We don’t have one central argument,” said Jed Brandt of Brooklyn. “We have a lot, but the basic issue is our democratic structures are broken in this country.”
And when a Congressman showed up – Rep. Charles Rangel, who told protesters, “We have to take our country back” – demonstrators made it clear government isn’t working.
“You, sir, have no business being here – you’re part of the problem,” they retorted.
The more the merrier.
Thousands arrested would be be a pretty big headline and a great beginning for our first amateurish attempt at getting some attention from the MSM
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW ?
Hmmm… Rangel has been in FOREVER and is course at least minorly corrupted as he’s been in the system so long… BUT he has enormous clout with the NYC black community… could further alienate the poor & minority communities of NYC…
Goddamn right Rangel has no business being there. Fuck him.
Most experienced efforts at encouraging widespread understanding do not go out of their way to disrupt traffic, as it annoys and frightens … that the NYPD had blocked the bridge with their vehicles, stopping and impedeing traffic, suggests that the intent was to entrap as well as to create the impression that OWS was careless of those whom they claim to support. As yellowsnapdragon suggests, and I concur, this has all the earmarks of a classic NYPD psychop “move” against the entire population of NYC …
However, the truth needs to be known and demonstrated through such evidence as may be gathered … which falls not to OWS, but to those who have observed, such as those many who have spent time on this thread, today and tonight, username.
DW
Republicrats , they’re all the same .
Rollem up rollem out get em outta my way .
The whole article is hilarious. Thanks for sharing it.
Agreed, gw.
Thank you, freeman … highly recommended!!!
;~DW
I basically agree, but the movement needs to make an effort to show solidarity with the community activists come Wednesday.
Rangel was just there to get a photo-op I’m sure, but he has the clout to encourage thousands of would-be allies into the streets.
Correct strategically, but could have been a potentially useful affiliate if kept at arms-length.
The protest aimed at Police Plaza was organized by a CUNY professor, who’s also working on a campaign we’re a part of called Police Reform Organizing Project (PROP)aimed at combating the NYPD’s systemic use of racial profiling and abuse.
I’m sure the Radiohead rumors probably beefed up the numbers, but this was also put together by a core group of veteran organizers that can put together a 2-3,000 rally in short time.
Among other things, we’re looking to collect narratives from people who have experienced mistreatment at the hands of the NYPD. We DO NOT want to focus on individual officers, rather we’re looking to expose the systemic use of racist and bullying tactics by the NYPD. If you have narrative, or know someone who’s brutalized by the NYPD, please contact us (click here)
Or you can contact me via my blog or email. We respect anonymity.
Remember BART plice shutting down train service and saying it was the protesters? How involved is DHS in NYC?
How involved is the CIA, ysd?
Plenty of both … one imagines.
DW
not sure if been posted before but here is a link to
OccupyWallStreet
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
Posted on September 30, 2011 by NYCGA
This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on september 29, 2011
http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/
OK I needs some zzzs… links to the Twitter in post # 779
Ah well, the midnight hour doth fast approach …
I must off … to dreamland, be.
Hasta Lumbago, all you Fire Dogs, may you rest well and arise refreshed.
Smell the freedom!!!
DW
(Poof!!!)
i’ve been up since forever. got to go to sleep. see you in the morning. may the OWSers be safe and sound tonight.
thanks everyone for everything you’ve been feeding in the blog.
‘Nite ny40
‘Nite DW
‘Nite greenwarrior.
Any estimates on crowd size of the march today? Obviously over 700 (the amount arrested).
Twitter is saying many peeps still in police vans. I wonder if 700 number will grow.
Well, I think the “official” estimates, that is the estimates reported by the media were 1500. I’ve seen some tweets and comments suggesting 3-5000.
Hmm, almost mid day here. Guess its about time to shower and make a shopping run.
Hey, if you are around, update the thread with any overnight news.
Rangel looking for some shine to rub off on him but none to be had.
“Taking Back Wall Street Trash Talk” (EmptyWheel.Net, by bmaz, Oct. 1, 2011, 9:49 pm)
Video from someone in the front of those on the bridge today. Best video yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEapW30NrjI
Wow. Just wow. Thanks NYPD!
Excellent video footage that gives me the up-close views of the arrests I was watching when they were occurring on the Global Revolution live stream earlier.
Check it: “Thousands rally against Portugal’s austerity plans” (RawStory.Com, Oct. 1, 2011)
Odd more attending the GA than the actual protests. Either some people worried about arrest or the estimates are wrong. 1500 was around the size last Sat wasn’t it? Figured there’d be more this weekend.
I hope the guy that shot that puts all of his footage up.
Well, that is why I put “official” in quotes. I’m quite certain it was a lowball estimate provided by the NYPD. And the complicit media will point to the 700 arrests and say that an equal number were on the pedestrian bridge.
I found it interesting that the traffic cameras were pointed AWAY from the bridge. Dunno if that’s normal, but it sure was convenient!
Short, but appears that NYPD were leading protesters onto vehicle section of bridge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz67fULXc-0&feature=player_embedded
Looks like in this short clip, the NYPD are heading the segment of the march that was then trapped and arrested on the bridge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz67fULXc-0
Entrapment being they could have stopped this march from moving forward, no sign the protesters swarmed them. Could have had more of the personnel waiting on the bridge out there making sure protesters didn’t willingly or accidentally end up marching on the bridge.
@OccupyWallSt http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/27/nyregion/rally-puts-police-under-new-scrutiny.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
In 1992 thousands of people were protesting on the BK bridge and not arrested #OccupyWallStreet
Well, of course. It was a demonstration by the PBA, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association. No way police will mass arrest their own.
ETA: That was the protest against the Civilian Review Board, and it helped with the formation of the Board. 10000 out of control off-duty cops protesting oversight was too much for even the politicians to stomach.
Calling it a night. Good night.
I don’t know where this is going. Slightly less optimistic if the protest size today was <2000. There's 17 million people in NYC. I think it may not be as big as we think it is when we're so focused on it, considering the size of the city. It's amazing what people are doing who are there, I'm disappointed in much of NYC. If the establishment left thinks protests are worthless these days, I can imagine much of apolitical Americans do as well even if they agree things are fucked up in the US right now economically and politically. DC may give it a boost, as will Oct 15 and the re-occupation of Tahir square. Got to hang in there and stay optimistic, not give up.
I have to go too. I’ve been fighting a cold all day and it’s worn me out. See you all later.
Occupy D.C.-day one. I just posted a blog in MY FDL about my experience at the late afternoon GA meeting of Occupy DC. Hope you’ll check it out!!
There were 50,000 people in NYC protesting the Iraq War. It didn’t leave the impact this is having in the media, but where the f#ck are those ppl now? A Democrat is president, so it’s OK now? They have a job, so why give a f#ck? I don’t know.
Oh, here’s the link:
http://my.firedoglake.com/femblog/2011/10/01/occupy-wall-street-the-movement-came-to-d-c-today/
That is a far out video. Really good. Shows the marchers as they come up to the police line, and arrestees being taken away – maybe the first arrestees?
Nonviolence rules. The cops may have trapped the marchers, but the marchers didn’t give the cops what they might have hoped for, which is to disintegrate into violence.
And the narrative at the end of the video: Police picked out the black and brown protesters at the front of the march. Racism!
Its 3:30am NYC time. It is usually very quiet in the wee hours. Did run across this on twitter.
arrest of a child on BB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvzpHJ7VJzM
Oh and this. Its very short, but shows the police leading the protesters onto the highway. Just might work in court, sure would in my court room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz67fULXc-0&feature=player_embedded
As much as I dislike linking to the great Orange Satan, here’s an incredibly interesting screenshot.
Daily Kos article.
New York Times Changes its story on blame for Brooklyn Bridge Arrests.
Two different texts in the article, original and rewrite…
a very short time later was changed to
It’s tough to keep all those plates spinning at once.
Youtube.
Interesting clip apparently shows NYPD walking onto the bridge with their backs to protestors, looks like leading them onto the bridge.
I like it.
Great video from Anonymous.
Judgement Shall Cry out upon the Bankers.
Live stream coming back up soon. Right now playing prerecorded material and topical clips.
8+ minute clip.
Police clearly holding protestors at the entrance to the bridge, then turning and walking onto the bridge with the march in their wake.
At 2:15 you have a white shirt apparently gesturing protestors forward.
Adorable pic of the Brooklyn Bridge Girl.
Another video from Anonymous.
Message from Anonymous to Wall Street, New York, and the Protestors.
Hip-Hop Mogul Russell Simmons visits Occupy Wall Street, brings 500 bottles of water, stays for meditation session.
Video clip.
LS – video of Brooklyn Bridge Girl being arrested, crowd chanting in unison Let Her Go! Let Her Go!
Moderator in LS chat claiming that some NYPD officers have told the #OccupyWallStreet group that they’ll be joining the protests on Friday because they do not agree with what happened on the bridge yesterday.
Brooklyn Bridge and Wall St. are currently the number 8 and 9 trends on twitter in the US.
LS at 6000 viewers right now.
Just logging on, so don’t know if this is redundant, but here’s an article about the NYPD foundation that Jaime Dimon gave his money to just before the giant bridge sting operation was launched. You decide.
Aaargh-can’t copy the link for some reason (tech dinosaur here lol). It’s an article describing the fund involved as a vanity vehicle, to great extent, for NY police commissioners generally, and Ray Kelly more than most. Got the link off the second comments page from today’s front page article on the arrests in the New York Times.
NLG website, resources, legal observing.
LS is back up. Looks like stationary camera in Liberty Plaza. Very limited viewing angle.
People are milling around, talking. Sun is out.
Alright. Time to walk the dog. Fry some eggs. BBL.
Is this the post you are referring to?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1660938/pg1
Whoop!
That is good news!
Kevin,
If you’d like protest drums and video for today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKmAb1gNN74
Thanks for pointing that out as well as the video link, dakoda.
And a tween.
Someone on DKos made a comment that they may target certain groups to discourage those groups from joining (who wants an arrest record in this economy for doing nothing wrong?) and/or to enrage some male protesters who feel they’re being treated unfairly due to skin color or who will react violently to the mistreatment of women (perhaps a natural instinct response that may come out if you’re not completely focused on staying non-violent).
Good morning, Fire Dogs (and, “extraneous” numbers …)
You think, rc, that there is any connection between Jamie Dimon’s grand personal largess and what happened on the bridge over the Rubicon? One notes that the NYPD was further over the bridge than the OWS marchers, and that the NYPD and NOT the marchers shut down the bridge to vehicular traffic, even if the NYT … and other “media” choose not to “report” that truth.`
;~DW
Wow. Yes, at 42 seconds in, you can totally clearly see that the police were leading the march onto that bridge.
Another great catch, Kris. Documenting the evidence is a role those who were on this thread may easily, and appropriately, embrace.
Carry on Kris, you are in the vanguard of that documentation.
Much appreciation.
DW
Video confirmation of what we all thought and were told yesterday. Plain as day, those cops held the protestors up at the foot of the bridge for a bit, then turned and led them on.
Morning all gotta go wrk soon but thought I’d post this:
(currently #1 at top of Google News page)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/10/02/arrest-of-700-occupy-wall-protesters-a-good-sign-for-protests/
I really feel that this liveblog may serve as a consolidated point of reference later on. Kevin has done incredible work, and all of the contributors here, yourself included, have put in a lot of time and effort.
If we can’t be there, we bear witness. We analyze the information coming in. We document things in real time. We are helping.
We’re #1! We’re #1!
Also at the top of the “Most Popular” section along the right side of Google News:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/10/02/occupy-wall-street-a-larger-march-and-standoff-on-the-brooklyn-bridge/?iid=sl-main-mostpop2
Dimon’s “gift” (I would say bribe) was the biggest in the history of the foundation. The videos posted above clearly show it was a deliberate police trap, 24 hours later. I would sa