What to focus on? What to say to summarize and encapsulate all the cacophony of construction, drums, media, people and the occasional shouting so assemblies can be organized? Where to begin? How to unpack all the different people here who all cohere together because they are the 99%?
One might think that what would be fascinating to me would be the many people in the park, the sleeping bags and mattresses strewn about Liberty Park and the fact that there are very few places for someone to sit down. That is all striking but more striking is the presence of media. Between five to ten media trucks are here parked. CNBC has setup a station where occupiers can walk up and speak and be recorded for their broadcast at any point during the day. There are photographers all over the park. There are people with video cameras and they are talking to everyone in the park. The occupiers complained when there was a media blackout—and rightfully so, but now it is safe to bet that there are a number of occupiers bothered by all the media.
Barricades line the park but there is no traffic on the side roads. There are people bringing their families through to see this. Some of the children look scared or frightened and not sure how to process all the activity in the park. The parents may be pointing out messages on signs or trying to explain why people are in Liberty Park but do they even know? If you asked them, could they explain why and also tell their children why American citizens are out here?
I will be live streaming. A march just broke out and a crowd of around 50-75 walked by where I am working chanting, “Unity!” “Love!” “Justice!” I’m taking photos that will be uploaded shortly.
Here is the live blog for today. Follow this Twitter list for the latest updates from Occupy Wall Street and other occupations that have sprung up in the United States.
LIVE STREAM FOR OCCUPY WALL STREET
12:33 AM Mayor of Atlanta, Kasim Reed, supposedly visiting Occupy Atlanta tonight to address General Assembly. The GA is discussing how to handle his visit. Watch livestream to hear the deliberation over what to do.
Occupy Athens will help with bail money if people are arrested.
12:26 AM Matt Filipowicz posts this photo of Veterans for Peace members saying they will put bodies in between police and occupiers if Occupy Boston if there is a crackdown

12:18 AM Occupy Atlanta also facing possible police crackdown. They are talking about needing more people to support the occupation and defend against arrests by police. The occupiers are saying something about the mayor of Atlanta coming down to visit Occupy Atlanta. It seems like the mayor wants to communicate they will be allowed to leave peacefully but no person wants to leave.
12:10 AM Cops in riot gear on the scene – at High St and Pearl
11:49 PM Report from Matthew Filipowicz of AlterNet that police have handed fliers to occupiers in second camp warning them that if they do not leave they will be arrested.
11:42 PM Boston Globe reports: “Boston police were warning the more than 1,000 Occupy Boston protesters tonight to leave a large section of the Rose Kennedy Greenway that they occupied earlier and relocate to Dewey Square or a small, adjacent strip of the Greenway.”
Standoff imminent. I’m up late and will continue to post in the blog before crashing from one busy day of covering “occupy” protests.
11:12 PM Occupy Wall Street organizers take the movement uptown to mansions owned by rich bankers on Wall Street. They will march in uptown New York around noon.
11:10 PM Greg Mitchell of The Nation tweets, “A media contact for #OWS tells me Con Ed jackhammers, “coincidentally or not,” set to work next to Zuccotti overnight next two weeks…”
11:05 PM Dave Zirin, sports writer for The Nation, and John Carlos, on the “human mic” earlier tonight
via @michaelkbusch
10:40 PM Video of economist Richard Wolff’s teach-in on Oct 4 posted by Wolff to YouTube in three parts – Part 1 / Part 2 / Part 3
10:25 PM Occupy Boston update: An NLG lawyer says threat of mass arrest and shutting down of the occupation has not happened. One arrest happened today. Occupy Boston has opened a second camp. Twenty NLG lawyers plan to spend night and five more will be on call. Lawyer claims “all is well” at the moment, “for now.”
The rumor going around is that at midnight the Boston Police Department plans to move in and disperse the camp and possibly make arrests if people refuse to leave. Occupy Boston is trying to build up the presence at this second camp that is at risk so that they can possibly deter the BPD from taking action.
5:16 PM The cover of today’s edition of Metro, a free newspaper.

5:05 PM I snapped this photo of Charlie Rangel coming to visit Liberty Park again. (It worked out so well last time. Why not come by again?)

4:53 PM Three arrests today in Liberty Park — two of them had cameras. One was working for a British press agency and the other was taking photos of police badges.
4:49 PM Occupy Chicago will be showing solidarity with Take Back Chicago, a kind of action against bankers that seems to be an annual event for unions. I went to Showdown in Chicago a few years ago. It was a big protest that just let people let loose their anger and frustration. The organizers are likely very glad Occupy Wall Street is happening. It gives what they are doing much more significance.
4:47 PM Protesters can stay in Liberty Park indefinitely, says Bloomberg. But that’s because he expects the snow will bring an end to the occupation. Also, taxpayers likely footing the bill for much of the security so the city’s plan is to just turn New Yorkers against the occupiers. The dull roar of New Yorkers saying, “You made your point, now go home,” and other variations that likely include profanity and slurs seems imminent.
4:40 PM Occupy Boston in “peaceful but tense” standoff on a bridge. Video from Paul Weiskel
4:37 PM Michael Hudson on Obama’s new populist fakery
…On Wednesday, October 4, the president tried to represent the OccupyWallStreet movement as support for his efforts. He pretended to endorse a pro-consumer regulator to limit bank fraud, as if he had not dumped Elizabeth Warren on the advice of Geithner – who seems to be settling into the role of bagman for campaign contributors from Wall Street.
Can President Obama get away with it? Can he jump in front of the parade and represent himself as a friend of labor and consumers while his designated appointees support Wall Street and his Committee of 13 is waiting in the wings to perform its designated function of guillotining Social Security?
When I visited the OccupyWallStreet site on Wednesday, it was clear that the disgust with the political system went so deep that there is no single set of demands that can fix a system so fundamentally broken and dysfunctional. One can’t paste-up a regime that is impoverishing the economy, accelerating foreclosures, pushing state and city budgets further into deficit and forcing cuts in social spending…
4:24 PM Aside from the fact that I think in the fourth week there are already 100,000 standing strong with Occupy Wall Street by participating in small and large demonstrations all over the country, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) wants 100,000 people to stand strong with Occupy Wall Street. The Democrats are welcoming this movement with open arms because they need fresh energy to help them win elections in 2012. They are publicly saying they are going to let this movement speak for itself but they are tactically behind-the-scenes developing ways to channel this energy into the electoral cycle. If this movement allows itself to be corralled into being one about electing better Democrats, it will have failed tremendously. That won’t address systemic problems.
Make no mistake, the Democrats love the idea that the Occupy Together movement could be a liberal Tea Party. That is why Al Sharpton will be down in Liberty Park tonight for the broadcast of his show. It is also why Eric Cantor or Speaker John Boehner must belittle the movement and suggest it is a threat to America. They know if Democrats are able to make these occupiers into an army of useful idiots, like the Republican Party did with the Tea Party, the Democrats will prevent Republican victories at the polls in 2012.
3:56 PM Occupy Boston
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via Paul Weiskel
3:49 PM Van Jones, unintentionally or intentionally, helping the Democratic Party co-opt the Occupy Together movement – in Sacramento
12:26 PM In case you missed it: Ben & Jerry’s supports. Aside from the obvious question of whether they will name a flavor after Occupy Wall Street, here’s another question: Will they be donating a shipment of ice cream to the occupiers?
12:12 PM A news report on the protesters arrested at Occupy Sacramento over the weekend
12:11 PM Des Moines Register report on arrests of 32 Occupy Iowa protesters yesterday
12:10 PM Read copies of the Occupied Wall Street Journal here.
12:08 PM Think Progress reports vulture capitalist Paul Singer is funding journalists to smear Occupy Wall Street
11:44 AM I’m using a Verizon data chip to do work. An older woman just walked up to me and asked if I had wireless access. I said, “Yes, with this,” and pointed out what I have plugged in to one of the USB ports on my laptop. She scoffed at me and said, “Ugh, for the rich, not the 99%.”
11:34 AM
Here is my appearance on Democracy Now!. Here is an intro for the segment:
As the “Occupy” movement expand from the “Occupy Wall Street” protest in New York City throughout the United States, we look its historical significance. “This is an incredibly significant moment in U.S. history,” says Dorian Warren of Columbia University. “It might be a turning point because this is the first time we have seen an emergence of populist movement on the left since the 1930s.” We also speak to FireDogLake blogger Kevin Gosztola who has been reporting from the occupations in Chicago, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C.
What an experience and privilege to appear on Democracy Now!. On top of that, what a privilege to be interviewed by a host like Amy Goodman.
The way the set is organized and the table guests are seated at for the show calms you. I was on edge, thinking about how this was my first time on the show, but, once I took my seat and had my hands resting on the table, it was like being in a cafe or dining room and I was ready to drink a cup of coffee and chat with Amy about Occupy Wall Street.
Those details are the personal and for people who are fans of Democracy Now!. As for the content & politics of the segment itself, I really focused on what Occupy Wall Street is not because the media that is down here and commentators coming to Occupy Wall Street are promoting ideas and messages about the occupiers that really confuse or misrepresent, intentionally or unintentionally, the nature and vision of the occupation.



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Well, maybe not the rich, but the top 30%-40%.
JACK NICAS, Wall Street Journal: Chicago’s ‘Occupy’ Protest Issues Specific Demands
From the Occupy Chicago general assembly site:
No mention of the specific teasers that the Wall Street Journal used to lure readers to its article.
Lee Fang, Think Progress: Journalists Funded By ‘Vulture Capitalist’ Paul Singer Campaign To Smear Wall Street Protests
Did the CPD succeed?
I guess there’s going to be a learning curve. Virtually all internet access is controlled by monopolistic multinationals.
Tangential– Hmmm … what’s this?
“Video: OccupyChicago protester is a paid volunteer” (Marathon Pundit, Oct. 10, 2011)
Just a something presently out there on video.
Verizon data chip. Hmmm… If you’d got it, I’d want to have a look-see if you have a model # (yaty, yaty). Sounds like you are getting ‘Net service by going through the cell towers of Verizon (e.g. here) but, yes, Jane, Verzion has a complete lock on DC and even is the sole service provider in the underground Metro transportation system.
It’s interesting that he’s not with the group, isn’t it?
How incredibly cool seeing you on Democracy Now!, Kevin!
Tell the GlobalRevolution livestream crew hi for us.
Yeah … I’m chewing on that. Anyone not doing the GA process stands out like a sore thumb. Nice that he’s so forth coming about it. When I saw the video, I had a flash reminder of lobbyist paying line sitters they’d pull in off the street.
Huh?
Yeah, I still don’t have a video feed …
Tangential– Reuters: “Stand Up Chicago” is planning a protest against economic inequality on Monday at meeting of the Futures Industry Association and the American Mortgage Bankers Association (Oct. 11, 2011)
compared to
LS for Cincy still off-air.
Apparently Bloomberg has decided that #OWS can stay indefinitely.
I can’t find any legitimate references to Mark Banks although he is listed as a participant, spokesperson, and organizer in the metadata of Google searches. When I look for the citation, it’s not in the text.
Nobel Peace Prize: Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Leymah Gbowee, Tawakkul Karman
If Twitterers for “Occupy[Location]” account try to pimp turnout to events by faking a police raid, it will backfire. Just saying.
Cleaning up DC. That’s one big plaza to keep clean.
Kewl isn’t it? I think we might have (3) more for the Nobel Women’s Initiative (NWI.Ord, Oct. 7, 2011) if they’re game for it.
Razan Zaitouneh Wins 2011 RAW in WAR Anna Politkovskaya Award (NWI.Ord, Oct. 7, 2011)
Interesting…this incessant call to know the demands of the movement.
Chris Hedges addresses that in an essay on TruthDig at http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_the_elites_are_in_trouble_20111009/
Excellent essay, tells the story of OWS through the experience of one woman who has been there from day one. (h/t to Juliania commenting in a MyFDL blog on the movement in Minneapolis.)
Cincy LS now up …
I see Tweets trying to move such an agenda or disrupt communications (e.g. instigated divisive rumors) so you do have to wade through that while sorting on the Twitter machine.
Matthew DeLuca, Inc magazine: Wall Street Protesters Turn to Start-ups for Fundraising
Focuses on WePay.com and Kickstarter.com
On livestream they’re saying James O’Keefe is there in the park. Yuck.
top spot on Google news is CNBCs liveblog where folks can just come up and speak about why they are there
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44842939?__source=google|editorspicks|&par=google
Chicago LS still off-air …
This wasn’t a call to know the demands of the movement. It was the WSJ trying to frame the movement by speaking for them. What they list as demands might turn up in the demands, but only the Declaration of the Occupation of Wall Street has any official sanction of the NYC general assembly. And other general assemblies are free to adopt it, modify it, or create their own. The Wall Street Media doesn’t get democracy.
Hah…I guess he decided the protest is good for tourism business. Amy Goodman in the Democracy Now show this morning that Kevin was on brought up Bloomberg’s previous comments that OWS was hurting NYC business. Dorian Warren, who appeared with Kevin, said that quite the opposite, Bloomberg should see the movement as good for tourism.
Kevin, I wanted to meet you at October 2011 but did not know what you looked like, so never found you…. I wanted to shake your hand and say THANKS for all your work on this movement and for getting the information out to the rest of us.
KEEP IT GOING!!
thanks!
“They fight you” – phase 2. American Spectator, Breitbart screaming about John Lewis, James O’Keefe. I hope they have a camera following him around.
From OccupyCincy Facebook page
Re: some comments this morning on the previous liveblog here, yes Democratic Party in full force attempting to co-opt message and use it to reinforce their talking points in Washington.
Drumbeat of coverage in MSM is becoming: anti-Wall St just because they rich greedy SOBs who won’t pay more taxes… which is of course Dem Party talking point last few months in DC. Also makes it easy for GOP to claim is just jealousy or anti-capitalism.
Real message is “Wall St. stop using your money to buy our govt. Stop buying politicians and laws and regulations so you can get your hands on OUR MONEY.”
Where are the “citizens united against citizens united” and other messages that were coming through more clearly in the early days?
I’m hoping Kevin is following him around!
It would be unwise not to have at least that.
what would I tell my kids?
Honey, you know what it feels like when one team cheats to win at basketball, and when the ref only calls fouls on one team and not the other?
kid: yeah, that’s really unfair!
Me: well, the banks broke the rules and these people are upset about it.
It’s easy to win when you cheat.
Watch for bunches of Occupie[Location] Twitter accounts popping up. There is already one for OccupyChicago
I rather like that idea.
I so agree. I’m going to be in the NYC area for the first time in my life, and I plan to stop by Liberty Park for sure! donating pizzas.
Yes, that’s what I meant by “incessant call for demands” — the media want to force demands out of the movement because the media need something to attack, or, more benevolently, the media like stories about specific things. Not to bring electoral politics into the discussion about OWS, but that’s what the media has done to electoral politics. They have made it a horse race.
I ran into a lady on the elevated train last week who is involved in the organization of today’s downtown Chicago protest. I wish I could be there, but I literally cannot afford the $4.50 it would cost to take the train there and back. Chicago Transit Authority is federally subsidized but apparently, most of it goes into the pockets of the 1% management. Best of luck to them and I hope they stay safe!
e.g. Someone was trying to start a rumor of a police raid at OccupyPDX last night when everything had been already negotiated and was kewl.
My point is that when the WSM doesn’t get a list of demands, they will invent plausible ones to drive their narrative.
Rev. Al Sharpton will be on site at OWS doing his radio show today.
Have mixed feelings about the man myself, but cannot doubt his possible usefulness to get more of local black community engaged.
Link doesn’t work.
There are many people in that position. Lots eat out of dumpsters here. The gap is huge from my vantage point. You just do what you can. There are always opportunities to pull night watch { batting eyes [the ancient human semaphore system] }.
Nashville Business Journal: Occupy Nashville protesters camp out
Occupy Chicago, go link up with these guys today?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/10/us-wallstreet-protests-chicago-idUSTRE79946S20111010
“The coalition, representing a variety of community and worker groups, expects thousands of people marching from five different downtown locations Monday afternoon “to reclaim our jobs, our homes and our schools,” according to its web site.”
yes, there really is a learning curve. I’ve realized how spoiled I am by having access to FDL and other blogs that report news, not press releases.
I was commenting last night about chatting with some self ID’d liberals on a nonpolitical community board last night. If you proceed down off the main boards, one is allowed to discuss politics. I was amazed at how low info they were. A couple of others and I were politely informing them what the movement was about and steered them over here, if they really cared to investigate beyond saying “tsk, tsk”.
It’s still a pretty big learning curve on a lot of fronts. That’s why the demostrations are so important. It really is getting into the national conversation.
ok..I like your WSM (wall street media)…good one, never heard that before!
ugh! ugh! yes! God, I gagged when George Will was putting words in Jesse G.’s mouth about “wanting bigger government”. ARGH!!!
When I click on the LS above it takes me to the Midtown blog about Occupy Sacramento.
Wel, well, well. Deterrence seems to produce negotiation. Moving 80 people is different from moving 30 people.
George Will’s gonna realize he has a new asshole around Wednesday 10am.
Jesse kicked butt yesterday, not only will Will but also with Nooners.
Occupy Boston – Student contigent
BTW, the FDL liveblog crew sends condolences to the Lipp family. Kenneth’s brother Johnathan died at age 31.
It does that to me, too. No idea what’s up there. Weird.
“(Reuters) – A coalition called “Stand Up Chicago” is planning a protest against economic inequality on Monday at meeting of the Futures Industry Association and the American Mortgage Bankers Association.”
“Kader said hundreds are willing to risk arrest by sitting on Chicago’s main shopping street, Michigan Avenue, and blocking traffic. More demonstrations are planned for the next three days.”
“Chicago has already seen weeks of daily protests outside the Federal Reserve Bank by “Occupy Chicago,” an echo of the much larger Wall Street protests. Occupy Chicago demonstrators plan to join in the Stand Up Chicago demonstration.”
I hope so…
wow, that article made me really ill. helps to underscore what OWS is up against.
yeah, they were all pretty hideous.
Yes, I light a candle …
OccupyStPetersburg is gearing up to start this Saturday. Gives me all week to make a sign. OSP.
Great segment, Kevin. Dorian Warren added fabulous context and history, but I actually wanted to hear more about #occupy from Kevin.
Thirded.
See here for today’s activities by Occupy Chicago: http://occupychi.org/2011/10/10/teachers-union-march/#more-937
Bet it will be a goodie and possibly involve cats.
*positive thoughts for the surviving family*
Al is on the record saying he will NEVER say anything against Obama, no matter what. That makes him a propagandist. Sad.
Yesterday at #occupysacto one of the speakers asked if they should entertain making someone the leader. It was politely turned down by everyone in the group.
It *must* be written in lolcats.
SD, I’ve missed Caturday two weeks running now because I’m so obsessed with #occupy. Hope all’s well with yer crew…
Wait. Is Breitbarf at #occupywallstreet?
You need to realize that most Obama supporters are part of the 99% too…
Sure I’m disappointed with him, but that is not so much with the man as that if he is the best our corrupt political system can produce, then we are in deeper doo-doo than most realize.
The great problem with Obama is a lot of folks latched on to the idea that electing him would be a shortcut to righting everything that was wrong with the country. And as we have discussed here, when people start thinking there is a shortcut or an easy way to effect real change, that leads to co-option of the actual person and his message.
As for me, I would have voted for a ham & cheese sandwich over any Republican last time around.
Just his lackey, I think.
From Kevin’s Occupy Together Twitter list ( https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together ):
good work. leaders give the MSM a target.
Here is some related news.
if anything, electing Obama helped pull back the curtain on how things really work. The fact that he will not fight to change things even in the face of defeat is really informing the protests.
if sharpton can drum up support for OWS without turning it into a proObama thing, then that might be OK. If he goes all Ed Schultz, not so much.
Still cannot get the LS.
Send chedda pls …
Timing seems AWFULLY convenient … starts making tinfoil hat.
http://www.zdnet.com/news/blackberry-outage-spans-three-continents/6312512
These are some of the best places to follow or as amended by official Occupyname websites:
https://twitter.com/#!/kgosztola/occupy-everywhere
https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyTogether/occupy-together
I’d take that ham and cheese sandwich right now. But all I got was fucking Obama, history’s most effective Trojan Horse! As to Al, he is useless as a pundit once he adopts tribalism so blatantly. I have seen firsthand that most protesters think they have to vote for the lesser evil, but I’ve also seen that they have no clue what he has actually done against their interests.
Just open up another tab and google “globalrevolution livestream”.
From the Occupy Cincy LS …
The call going out now for folks to just show up ASAP and make a presence.
Watching Occupy Sacto (pick it up at 241) last night was very instructive. They figured out how to make a presence and dial back the police behavior without getting batoned, pepper-sprayed and arrested. This is work and it requires having one’s wits about them, following legal liaison instructions and creativity. Good on them.
O’Keefe? Pfffft! He’s immediately recognizable as the guy in black wearing a kerchief mask and trying to start a riot.
Jeez, if that asshat gets to have a lackey, then why do I lack a lackey?
Did that. I thought it might be appreciated to get an FYI.
Many people come here to watch the LS and follow the blog.
LOL, no, no cats, although there should be a lot of hip cats there.
We be fine, thanks. Saw yer drive bys.
Of course this would happen when I am having lunch and charging devices. I will be back soon. If he is still there, I will definitely record video of Assclown Sr and Assclown Jr.
People with a more liberal bent who are interested in the “inside scoop” on Obama should read “The Mendacity of Hope” by Roger D. Hodge.
It certainly helped push me along the path that led here, although I was already leaning that way anyway.
Compelling … occupy the Fed in Dallas:
Someplace in the last few days I made comment with a link to somebody’s sign @ Liberty a picture of a cat with a caption like “I CAN HEZ fair share of income gains?”
The lolcats are with us too!
…calling out the fat cats…
my big clue was his FISA vote…I voted for him anyway to keep McCain out. But that’s not good enough any more.
Instead of each individual just voting for the lesser of two evils, I’d like this to grow to the point that instead of politicians endorsing OWS, politicians will be begging for endorsements FROM OWS. That would require a degree of movement unity & discipline that I am unsure can be created or maintained at present.
Must be prepared if this goes on long enough, though.
I saw a handy slew of great slogans here for your consideration.
“I’z in yer banks getin fat. Moar pls.”
“moar pls” LOL!
It’s gotta caption a pic of basement cat.
good job Portland.
Love “No greed zone”
Mine would be “All Check$, no Balances”
or “Stop Merchants of Debt”
From CNBC onsite liveblog:
2:32 PM – Poetry in Motion
Suzanne a “performance poet” from Milwaukee is reading her newest. “from here, on a path lined with fear.” … “In 2008 we saw our country rise, now it has fallen for a party of lies….lies, lies, liesssssssssssss” “Here is the church, here is the steeple, our supreme court invented a new kind of people.”…”lies, lies, liesssssssssssss, liessssssssssss” “it’s money that counts from Bayview to….Duluth… to hell with the truth.” “it’s those corpse, those corpse, those corporations.” “blame the corpse, the greedy rogues with a bottom line who ignore the corpse,those corpse, those corpse left behind.”
Or something like that.”
Seems to me politicians are an “artifact” of a structurally corrupt, unjust, unequal social infrastructure (SCUUSI [sounds like "scusa" which is Italian for "excuse"]) and therefore may well be obsolete in the ideal sense. The structural corruption has to be dealt with. Once that’s done, one can take stock and see what to do next.
{ squeels with delite }
betcha dollars to donuts that’s what gets played on CNBC to get mocked.
Mine:
Speculation Causes Starvation (this one’s stolen from early protester)
It Is Irresponsible to Speculate
Especially on Food
Um, I put them on the periphery. This looks to me like a classic coopt_your_attention campaign (very Bread and Circus-y of them).
I’m holding on to hope that OWS will metastasize to the point where we can do something INSTEAD of regular elections this time around. If we could survive the non-election of 2000, we could survive that. Electoral machinery is so fucked, it won’t work right without a complete overhaul.
Success!
My fave so far: Respect Existence OR Expect Resistance!
TarheelDem, ya still there? I need a brief, um, body break.
Occupy Chicago LS off-line still.
Pic In front of the Fed in Boston
It’s the age-old problem: those with the power to deal with the structural corruption ARE PART OF the structural corruption. Which is why conventional approaches via the political system have failed. Even if you get a good batch of reformers in, they are soon trapped in the web and start absorbing the corruption of the system.
I’m fond of the one I’ve used here for years:
No war but class war
My fave so far is:
I will believe corporations are people when Texas executes one
I Wouldn’t Let My Daughter Marry a Corporation
also good.
Methinks if located O’Keefe’s gonna get an old fashioned bum’s rush.
Case in point: the big waves of Democratic freshmen in the House after Watergate. All the “people power” of the 60s and 70 scared the crap out of the financial overlords. So what they did was was co-opt all the newcomers by making them dependent upon big campaign contributions. Threat neutralized.
whoa!
Occupy St. Louis pics 10-8
Here’s some other “interesting” takes. Watch out for the co-optation meme. It’s being actively promoted by folks who are interested in killing the movement. Be concerned but don’t ignore the nuances.
Gateway Pundit: Shocker. Obama’s Top Political Advisor Directly Linked to Occupy Wall Street Protests
Gateway Pundit: Figures. Smelly Occupy Wall Street Goons Admit They’re Wanted By Police
Gateway Pundit: Van Jones Leads Crazy Chant to Zombie Crowd at Occupy Wall Street (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Occupy Portland Goons Arrested for Vandalizing a Police Car
Gateway Pundit: Hah!… Occupy StL Idiots Gets Punked During Open Mic Group Conscience (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Occupy DC Protest Thugs Storm Smithsonian Air and Space Museum (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Homophobic ‘Occupy St. Louis” Protester Harasses Independent Journalist (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Racists!… ‘Occupy Atlanta’ Mob Refuses to Let Civil Rights Icon Speak at Rally (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Yup. They’re Just Like Tea Partiers… Leftist Pig Takes Crap on NYC Cop Car
Gateway Pundit: Nice. White House Spokesman Calls the Tea Party a Mob
Gateway Pundit: Occupy Portland Protest – Humans Unite for Peace and Weed (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Organizer Admits to Paying Occupy DC Protesters
Gateway Pundit: ‘Ocuppy Sacramento’ Loons Lash Out at Reporters For Asking Questions About Their Protest (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Marxist ‘Occupy DC’ Protesters Hold Anti-Capitalist Rally at Chamber of Commerce (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Your Feel-Good Video of the Day: Cops Club Occupy Wall Street Thugs
Gateway Pundit: Stunner. Occupy Wall Street Stands in Solidarity With Greek Thugs
Gateway Pundit: Occupy St. Louis Loons Protest Bank of America – Bring Trash to Dump in Lobby
Gateway Pundit: Occupy Wall Street Website: “Stop Listing Demands” We Look Like Complete Imbeciles
Gateway Pundit: Cops Mop Up Commie Squatters at Occupy St. Louis Protest
Gateway Pundit: Occupy StL Protesters Told to Get the Hell Out of the Park Before Obama Comes to Town
Gateway Pundit: Good Grief… Occupy Wall Street Imbeciles Release 13 Demands Including “$20 Minimum Wage” and “Across the Board Debt Forgiveness For All”
Gateway Pundit: Wall Street Commie Protesters – Push For Less Capitalism, More Government Control
Gateway Pundit: VIDEO GOLD – Leftist Thug Chases Charlie Rangel From Wall Street Anarcho-Commie Protest
Gateway Pundit: NY Transit Workers Union & Teamsters Agree to Support Commie Wall Street Protesters
Gateway Pundit: Socialist Susan Sarandon Attends Wall Street Commie Protest… On Her Way to the Airport and Italy
Gateway Pundit: Socialist Michael Moore Attends Wall Street Protest to Support Young Commie Squatters (Video)
Gateway Pundit: Unruly Leftist Mob Cuffed and Pepper-Sprayed in NYC, 80 Arrested (Video)
Gateway Pundit: FAIL. Far Left Calls For 20,000 to Protest Against Capitalism on Wall Street… Only 300 Show Up
Gateway Pundit: Radical Leftists and Marxists Answer Obama’s Call For Class War – Converge on Wall Street (Update)
Gateway Pundit: Radical Leftists Hold Day of Rage Protests in Manhattan – Plan Sleepover In the Streets (Video)
Deconstruct Jim Hoft’s narrative and notice how it changes as the movement gets larger. The general drift: commie, youthful, rebellious, racist, anarchist, violent…shazam Democrats!
From EmptyWheel (my bold):
Complete post at “No Wonder the Administration Didn’t Want Buck McKeon’s New AUMF; Marty Lederman Already Gave Them One” (EmptyWheel.Net, by emptywheel, Oct. 9, 2011)
Yes indeedy:
“Obama’s Multi-Agency War on Medical Marijuana” (FireDogLake.Com, by Jon Walker, Oct. 10, 2011)
No #drones!:
“Yet Another “Lady Gaga” Exposure Forces DOD to Wipe Drone Control Computers” (EmptyWheel.Net, by emptywheel, Oct. 8, 2011)
from CNBC liveblog:
“2:58 PM – Best Field Trip….Evah
Teacher who brought her class out to the protest to see Civics in action takes to the podium to explain why they’re there….uh, to see civics in action. (Love that)”
that’s some crowd! wow. and the Boston fed is conveniently located near South Station?
I think their contempt for democracy is slipping through there. Remember this is from a channel for wanna-be financial overlords.
I just got off the phone with Jane Hamsher, guys! How cool is that? She’s trying to organize a way for those of us willing to volunteer to help Kevin keep on top of the major action happening at the various occupations. If I understand correctly, there’s a map/datasheet being compiled of the State of the Occupation in various cities, divided into 5 regions, and we’re going to need different people monitoring the action in different regions, and hopefully in touch with the organizers so that this blog can also start to serve as a #needsoftheoccupiers publisher/hub.
Yeah…are they listening?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/genemarcial/2011/10/10/obama-congressional-leaders-must-meet-with-occupy-wall-street-leaders/
“The first thing President Obama could do is urge the protesters to form an advance group composed of their leaders or spokespersons so the White House can arrange for him to publicly address the increasingly restless Occupy Wall Street crowd and respond specifically to their concerns.”
…please present us with designated targets…?
If anybody from DC wants to “address the crowd” they should have to get in stack like everybody else.
Pam Martens: Financial Giants Put New York City Cops On Their Payroll
Need to figure out a way to get together with other movements and demand convening of a Constitutional Convention… that is about the only real way the power structure is going to be changed.
That is awesome.
athena@133:
So, Soooooo kewl.
Sounds like a great idea.
GE the DoD contractor is not dumb and they still control CNBC (you can look up GE’s board members here). I’m recalling Kevin’s post in part about CNBC (Sept. 27, 2011).
GE makes between 1/2 and 2/3 of its profit from financial services… they are not primarily still a manufacturer as a lot of folks think… how you think GE CEO got be Obama adviser… wolf in sheep’s clothing.
More bailouts…
Europe bails out its first bank: Dexia
Franco-Belgian bank Dexia said Monday that it will receive €90 billion from France, Belgium and Luxembourg, making it the first bank to get bailed out as a result of the European debt crisis.
…The deal will help to prop up Dexia’s weakened ability to guarantee bonds.
“Dexia passed the stress test earlier this summer with flying colors, yet here we are now, three months later, and it needs a bailout,” said Michael Hewson, analyst at CMC Markets in London. “I think that begs the question as to whether Dexia is a special case or if it’s one in a long line of other bailouts.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-europe-bails-out-its-first-bank-dexia-20111010,0,200923.story
Yeah, she’s going to be emailing you soon, I think. She said she tried to email Tarheel but he never responded.
Pretty much all of us occupation-obsessed firedogs are needed, I think.
http://lockerz.com/s/146104850
Boston LS is up.
Better yet… each occupation sends delegates and makes IT’S OWN convention.
Similar to the idea somewhere above of convening a “people’s congress.”
Link?
Wow, that is just so wrong. Are the protesters supposed to hire their own gunslingers?
Barack Obama doesn’t care about the little people!
I’ve also had thoughts along those lines. We’re a long way away from that now, though. One step at a time.
well this one’s sure to be among the quotes of the day from CNBC:
“3:39 PM – It Rots From the Inside
Woman speaking now says she’s found a home with the other protestors and says the only hope for us… “Workers of the World Unite” (umm, she quoted there, that’s not original). She’s calling on the 99%’rs and the working class if they hear of strikes – join ‘em…and end capitalization forever!”
Translation: “Good afternoon, everyone! Look more good U.S. news”–
Translation: “Dexia and the global pyramid scheme – Thought – De Morgen”–
Well let’s see what Rev. Al’s take was today:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/10/us/occupy-wall-street/
LOL.
One of the European countries might provide the template. Italy or Spain seem most likely (and from what I understand, something like that might already be happening in Italy.)
I think they are still a major defense contractor, as well. Which is a separate issue from where they get the bulk of their profit. Don’t quote me on this one, but I think I’m right.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/10/us/occupy-wall-street/
Update on Al Sharpton at Liberty Plaza today, among other things.
Looks like CNN has a dedicated page for OWS happenings each day now.
From Occupy Cincy LS …
Washington Park has been bulldozed. Police chief asked for bathrooms to be accessible to occupies. LS temporarily going down. Person on-site managing it standing by …
well since FDL won’t let me post the link to CNN’s page of today’s OWS updates, I’ll be going off to work then.
Tangential– Archeology with tiny drones (a WSM warm and fuzzy piece so the tax payer keeps paying for them & their re-purposing for GWOT)
The site is doing strange things for me too.
Report FDL database behaviors to brian {AT] fire dog lake [DOT} com as it has to be tuned to deal with this sustained record traffic. OK?
That business about Van Jones makes me mad. Sure, he’s a good speaker (or should I say speechifier, like his mentor) but if he’s so bloody passionate about the democratic party, why did he flee his whitehouse job the minute the repubs started screeching about him instead of staying, fighting and trying to make a difference? And where has he been since? There’s no doubt in my mind that he would co-opt sarah palin if he thought it would do the dems any good.
The Uptake: Occupy Wall Street Live Across America
It’s showing a test pattern at the moment. I’ve been using The Uptake to connect with livestreams. It doesn’t seem to be as flaky as direct connections.
Even a great document could use a rational update every couple of centuries.
The d00d behaves like a pernicious little rodeo clown and someone bankrolls him to do it.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ve not been checking my email frequently. I replied.
Here’s a livefeed of Boston’s rally/march from a news helicopter:
http://www1.whdh.com/livesky7/
It’s huge!
Sure looks like the corpses have already decided on the implementation of a drone-to-drone GWOT war theater ramped by 60% in 2015 (my present SWAG) as they have decided that a whole lot more people need to die (you know, casino profits and stuff as the house always wins) for their resources grabs.
Here, he’s wearing a suit.
Barking up the wrong tree, folks:
Tangential: Eh– just compromised union “leadership” just trying to stay in their power posh-ish-zhuns.
Am I the only one who was not aware of this aspect of the Tar Sands pipeline issue? The more you learn, the more disgusted you get. ;-(
The Rude Pundit
Proudly lowering the level of political discourse
10/10/2011
It’s Columbus Day, So We May as Well Kill Some More Indians:
So by now, you probably haven’t heard much about the Keystone XL pipeline because no one on the TV is squawking loudly because it’s not as glamorously conspiratorially evil-sounding as Solyndra. Also, because most politicians of both parties love that filthy oil lucre. Really quickly: Keystone XL would be the next really long pipeline, taking delicious crude from the wild tar sand fields of Alberta, Canada down to the Gulf of Mexico in Texas. Because it crosses a border, the State Department has to approve it. Environmentalists oppose it because the company, TransCanada, is not, as one might expect a Toronto tranny bar but is, in fact, a really huge energy corporation and, as such, it has polluted the shit out of the environment. In fact, a previous pipeline sucked so badly that the U.S. shut it down because it leaked a dozen times in a year.
What does this have to do with Indians? Well, see, the Keystone XL pipeline would go through the tribal lands of many different indigenous people in the United States and Canada, possibly polluting water sources that, you know, keep them alive. As a resolution by the National Council of American Indians put it, the proposed pipeline “crosses through Indian country in northern Alberta, Saskatchewan, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska, near and potentially over, many culturally significant areas for Tribal Nations within those provinces and states;” and, based on the record of Keystone and other pipelines, “it is probable that further environmental disasters will occur in Indian country if the new pipeline is allowed to be constructed.”
For instance, the proposed route of the pipeline would take it right across the Oglala Sioux Rural Water Supply System in South Dakota, among others. And according to treaties with the U.S. government, the tribes are supposed to have approval of such things. As the United Tribes of North Dakota said, “The U. S. Department of State did not properly consult with the Tribes along the route of the Keystone Excel Pipeline and, as a result of the mechanisms used for what consultation was provided, the affected Tribal Nations were not provided the opportunity for ‘free and informed consent; regarding the construction of the pipeline.” They don’t want it (and some have been arrested protesting it). So, in other words, if the Obama administration, which just finished holding hearings on the pipeline (which included an environmental impact statement done by a TransCanada contractor), approves the pipeline, it will violate treaties with Indian tribes and endanger the health of Native Americans. It’s comforting to know that some things in America never change.
Of course, it’s oil we’re talking about, and no one can stop it, even if it’s the filthiest, most environment-degrading kind of oil. All review is done now. It’s up to Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, and President Obama. And how do you think that’s gonna go?
We should not throw the baby out with the bath water. parts of the constitution are great but congress has just ignored it. Need to decide what to keep and what the price is if congress (whatever form it takes violates it)
Also think we should look to iceland which is writing its constitution on full input from the people including setting up direct democracy. The problem with constitution is that it allows power to be in the hands of a few. for it to be effective going forward we need to put in mechanism that stop that. For example the right to free speech. take what is happening now with the police using violence to prevent that? what kind of mechanism could we have in place that would stop one side having too much power over the other side exercising their right? For example is it automatic suspension without pay if more than x people petition that y policeman violated a persons free speech rights. How would that work in practice, does the case finally get decided by a judge or is it a judge and jury and who pays both sides costs so it is fair?
Whatcha wanna bet that the routing was as much over federal, tribal, and state land as possible. BTW, you can buy off tribal councils as easily as you can buy off Congresscritters.
Jen Doll, Village Voice: ‘Occupy Fountains’ Ride Planned for Today in Midtown
Just for future reference, the American Spectator article admitting the infiltrator in DC was pulled down.
However thanks to a link from
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/conservative-journalist-says-he-infiltrated-escalated-dc-museum-protest/2011/10/09/gIQAIKxCYL_blog.html
I have found an archived copy here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pzvJbtN4UfNaRnpjO08sjfJkTZGMZHtgP2kKDs-Ry_8/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1&pli=1
also
whatmeregister
Ronald C. Machen Jr. is the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. His number is 202-252-7566. Since Howley’s activities occurred on federal property, his office is responsible for investigating and prosecuting Howley. If you feel strongly that our nation’s capital is not the place for dangerous stunts such as Howley’s, you should call and make your feelings known.
User ID:http://washingtonpost.com/IufrTU5yanZKrrOjxohi2nrE7VgS76krNWZjM5N3fM%2B%2B%2BfrlKkwhFQ%3D%3D/
Today 10/10/2011 3:01:13 PM EDT
Now off to work.
It’s the compromise-or-else offer since abiding by treaties is just so 1865.
Thanks for the assist!
Nobody said anything about throwing the baby out. Just a rational update that would preserve basic principles while taking into account some of the realities re the passage of time and the corrupted/misguided alterations and practices that have been grafted onto it along the way. A facelift.
O. Kay Henderson, RadioIowa: Branstad says statehouse grounds not for camping (audio)
I wouldn’t bet against, amigo, but I must say this makes me feel physically ill. Will we never tire of screwing the people we stole this country from?
Lynn Campbell, IowasPoliitics.com: Three dozen arrested outside Capitol at ‘Occupy Des Moines’ protest (video)
Kewl.
Demonize the knitting circle, go ahead!
Video of bridge standoff
Boston:
http://www.twitvid.com/DXPTV
Livefeed from helicopter here:
http://www1.whdh.com/livesky7/
OccupyDSM (another view of police eviction)
More like treaties are just so 1583
All treaties, apparently, not just the ones with the “locals.”
Anybody else think there must have been a decision at the national level not to bring out the scary riot gear? Or tear gas? My spidey-sense is saying that someone somewhere doesn’t want anything on the news that visually looks like Tahrir.
Arrests in Boston:
Thanks for reminding me … Then shouldn’t we really go back to at least the 1400s for the “Inter Caetera”? We could shorten the discussion on when and just settle on calling it the “medieval” view world complete with the propaganda of “holy books” depicting rulers on fine mounts and decked out in great clothes, crowns, scepters, the hand-sized golden globe with the little unequalled armed cross atop it … and spurs.
IMO they’re still trying to co-opt the movement. If/when that fails, then they will have to decide whether, or rather how violently, to suppress it.
My bet is that they will try to let the movement burn itself out. That’s what Mubarak tried to do too. And, it *may* fizzle as the weather turns.
Occupy Chicago
SEIU folks are there; Veterans for Peace is there.
There are rumors on twitter that the cops have started top dismantle the tent city occupation in Boston…
You mean the same folks who counseled the Egyptian army to dump Mubarak?
There goes the mayor recruiting more protesters.
O’Keefe at OWS video
Kevin sent a tweet out about that, something about the PTB’s hope that snow would end the occupation.
Occupy Chicago
Remember it started with 25 people camping out in the rain.
The big unions are in town to protest a bankers conference. That’s why there are so many people.
VIDEO: Just overflowed into the CBOT plaza. Marching band here
– MicCheckChicago
Eh, it’s waaaay old … Back before Charles the Mange (what is that thing called that is displayed in the figure’s left hand? { palm to forehead } It’s the imperial orb! Wooo!– you can see the “Holy Lance” here.) Yeah, feudal warlord stuff.
Yep … you have to go waaaay back. Before Charles the Mange (what is that object in the figure’s left hand? { palm to forehead } It’s the imperial orb! Wooo!– you can see the “Holy Spear” here). Yeah, feudal warlord stuff. Now you have the drone instead of the Holy Spear.
Occupy Chicago – The marching band
Is that riot police?
http://www.myfoxboston.com/generic/video/live_chat/fox-25-news-live-video-myfoxboston-generic-97
Yep … you have to go waaaay back to before Charles the Mange (what is that object in the figure’s left hand? { palm to forehead } It’s the imperial orb! Wooo!– you can also see the “Holy Spear” here). Yeah, feudal warlord stuff. Now you have the drone instead of the Holy Spear.
What a geek. Primo mugging material, in the opinion of this New York native.
Look like motorcycle police in the current frames, which show a puny crowd. Am I missing something?
They switched what they were filming. Over by the bridge where the standoff was happening, I’m 75% sure there a small group of riot cops.
The motorcycle cops have face shields. From the Paul Weiskel clip earlier, the BPD had lined up motorcycles end-to-end across the road to block entrance to the bridge.
SkyFox is now filming at the Occupy Boston camp that reports are that police want to evict.
Let’s see if I can comment … OK state cleared.
Occupy Chicago at Hyatt Regency
If anyone can find a live feed let me know.
The motorcycle cops have blue helmets. These guys were full-on black. There were about 50 of them.
I think the shit might be hitting the fan soon in Boston. Maybe.
2 live feeds:
http://www1.whdh.com/livesky7/
http://www.myfoxboston.com/generic/video/live_chat/fox-25-news-live-video-myfoxboston-generic-97
twitter moving fast:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupyboston
Yes, the NYT is simply stupid. As is Bloomberg, the AFL-CIA trade union bureaucracy, etc. In fact, this movement mainly is asking for the State and its Wall Street sponsors to reform themselves. This is not a revolutionary movement, and despite the fact that some within it may wish it to go that way, the vast majority, so far as I can see, would be quite surprised to find themselves working for the end of the corporate state, which will be replaced, by the way, Chris, with what? With what kind of state? What kind of property rights will that state uphold? What will happen to the corporations and their wealth? Will they be expropriated? What will Chris Hedges and those who talk big about extinguishing the corporate state do when the Empire strikes back? Or does Hedges and his supporters expect them to quietly shuffle off the stage of history?
These are questions that should be asked, but are not being asked. Meanwhile, a group of people who claim to be Marxists (and most likely are idiots, and certainly looked mostly white), got the Occupy Atlanta crowd to disinvite John Lewis from speaking at the event. The conservative right put this on YouTube, and you can literally hear them chortling in the background, as the bureaucratic leadership at Occupy Atlanta manipulate the crowd, and then decide when there is division over having Lewis speak (a division that was never there at the beginning — watch the video) and then claiming that lack of consensus means… those in charge (unelected) get to decide. And they decided Lewis could not speak at that time.
Hopefully that was an anomaly. But what I’m seeing is a lot of uncoordinated New Leftish posturing and flashy protest, and the not-so-slow subordination of this movement, so full of sincere activists wanting to change this crazy world, and release it from the grip of the insane capitalists that hold onto it, to Democratic Party protest politics. And all because of anarchistic utopianistic beliefs in “leaderless” protests, “actions” for the sake of actions, and proud bluster in the place of planful and serious analysis. Instead, as has happened too often in the past (these are not the first mass protests you know — e.g., the antiwar protests against the 91 Iraq war were a lot bigger and more radical), a lot of good people and a radicalizing movement will be sent to burn-out land, the remainder to staff future campaign staffs for sell-out Democratic Party politicians.
I I see this: http://www.myfoxboston.com/generic/video/live_chat/fox-25-news-live-video-myfoxboston-generic-98
Gee, that was gloomy. Every large group will make a few missteps, and it’s reasonable to expect that most of those will happen early on. You cannot deny that they have been more effective than anybody in decades in getting people to want to join them. That is a value. Now it needs to be calibrated, in democratic fashion, which will inevitably look somewhat messy from the outside. BUT, they are already better than anyone else has been, so give them constructive advice if you can/want to, but cut them some slack. When is the last time you were willing to sit in the rain for two straight weeks to make a political point?
Boston’s livestream channel is up again:
http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston
Occupy_Boston 28 mins 20 secs ago Twitter
Locking arms. yfrog.com/kjj34aoj
Both of the news feeds are in and out…they usually don’t stay offline for more than a few minutes, though.
Occupy_Boston 19 secs ago Twitter
http://yfrog.com/nzhqruj
I am trying to monitor Occupy St. Louis. I am taking supplies down tomorrow and they are supposed to put me in touch with the media guy for pics etc. I will be posting another diary hopefully tomorrow.
The chick who runs that twitter account is super-reliable.
Occupy Boston LS is up (dark). { Fox 25 appears off-line }
GROW, 99%!
I just heard them on the livestream. The police brought a bunch of paddy wagons so the protesters decided to leave the bridge.
People on livestream Boston said paddywagon just pulled up beside camp:
http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston
The coverage of OWS on NPR is pathetic.
338 viewers on Occupy Boston LS.
cnbc has sent a crew and will selectively broadcast only people who make horses asses out of themselves. Might have to wait a long time for that as occupiers seem like a particularly articulate group.
406 viewers on Occupy Boston LS.
?????
Livestream: the BPD radio instructed the officers to leave, maybe come back later.
N Michigan Avenue is closed
In front of the Chicago Art Institute
At Modern Wing of Chicago Art Institute
Gloomy? How about the children of the Arab Spring? In Egypt, where Tahrir Sq was the model for the current OWS movement, over 10,000 are being tried by military tribunal, part of the military dictatorship that ruled after Tahrir achieved its success in ousting Mubarak. In Bahrain, thousands more are killed, jailed, tortured.
And yet this movement asks the U.S. state to play nice with them, and having no perspective besides waiting out the cops in the various “liberated” zones, there is nothing to look forward to except a millennial belief in mass social sudden change, or the subordination of the demands to anti-GOP rhetoric. Should the movement turn more radical, without really good organization, it will be penetrated by provocateurs, and thrown into disrepute. This is not a prediction but simple history that every radical group in America has had to face.
I am not sanguine, because despite the important and exciting participation of a new generation in these protests, which look good after years of inaction, the leadership of this movement has no vision for how to achieve their aims, and are content to believe that because they say something, then it must be so, as if OWS were led by modern versions of the Yul Brenner character of the Siamese King in The King and I, who pronounces something and declares, “So let it be written, so let it be done!”
What a f*cking sleaze job from Murdoch’s NY Post…
Sex, drugs and hiding from the law at Wall Street protests
I wish the Boston livestream crew would relocate to the second square.
A CIA guy I met on the street told me in a few weeks there will be riots and then mass arrests… Who knows?
A CIA guy” you “met on the street”? Yeah. They come up to me all the time, too.
Jeff, I love ya, but you’re missing something. There is nothing “utopian” about leaderless democracy. The rejection of authority is an important step in the evolution of human socialization. It has been contemplated and explored by many, including myself, and is the cornerstone of philosophy of J. Krishnamurti, a deeply serious man. I call it an evolutionary step because our genesis as social primates, and our ongoing self-education, continues to consider ourselves existing with some sort of imaginary permission, when the fact is that it is we who created it – ultimately imagined as “God.” There is no authority in nature – it is an artifact of fear and survival instincts.
What I am seeing here with this movement is breathtaking for me. While I have always thought that this development was inevitable, I did not expect to see this sort of mass behavior develop so soon, certainly not within my lifetime. My own expositions on this topic have always marginalized me as some sort of oddball with most folks, but I have such an unbending vision of it that I suffer the marginalization – and I do not take rejection well (I probably have an even less tough skin than the average social primate.)
That is why I am watching, certainly, for the cracks to appear – but I am also listening, and learning, rather than poo-pooing “utopianism” from some perch of “realism.” The unfolding maturity of these folks in the face of every attempt to co-opt or intimidate this movement is a beautiful thing to watch.
His point is that there is no plan on what they want as much as anger at what they don’t want.
And how do we get from here to…. wherever.. direct democracy.. a none capitalist economy?
At least the questions are now out there.. just the idea of dumping the system… and that is actually healthy…
the more this goes on the more likely strategies and visions will emerge… it / they will have to for this to accomplish more than expression of anger.
Occupy Chicago – sit-in at Art Institute
Occupy Chicago
He showed me is documents which looked OK to me.. but who the eff knows… he had a car with 20 antennas and showed me a bunch of antenna farms at a military installation for eavesdropping.
Who knows? I am just relating something I experience on LONG ISLAND not at in lower Manhattan.
No they don’t… I asked him about the antennas and he looked like a special forces person… wore a navy seal T shirt… delusional actor dreamer? Perhaps…
The system is collapsing anyway… don’t you think? I don’t see it going for more than a few more years…
So go on over there and tell ‘em how it should be done.
Boston livestream just said they have till midnight to clear out camp #2, or both camps will be cleared.
Absolutely. But we really don’t want it to re-form with the same hierarchical model. Or we’ll just see Rome fall again, and again, ad infinitum evermore…
Haters gonna hate.
There are two main issues.. how to organize a *fair* economy and how to govern…without hierarchy and entrenchment of power.
Just goes to show how much the wall between the CIA and DoD has been demolished…! If there ever was a remnant of doubt, with Panetta now the SecDef and Betrayus as CIA Chief…! Where’s the Posse Commitatus and the CIA’s ban on ‘operating’ Stateside…? *gah*
Occupy Chicago – singing Solidarity Forever
democracy needs to accomplish *something*… and hopefully a distribitive direct non hierarchical one can.
gone… they are going to round up people and put them in detention camps… NOLA was a prelude of what they can and will do.
We could have a really long conversation about this, but I don’t type that well. If we go on like we have been, the future is clear, and it is bleak. Elections will not fix this, that system is so rigged and corrupted that I question the sanity of any who still have high hopes for it, especially after the 2008 betrayal andd the Citizen United game changer. Is there risk in challenging the power elite. Of course. But there are risks in everything. I consider myself to be something of an expert on the issue of risk, after thirty years of intensive study of it in real world activities. Howe many lives will be lost if corporate domination continues unchecked? You get my point? There is a dance to be played out, how much public support can be garnered, as opposed to how quickly will the PTB unleash deadly force. It’s a dynamic whose exact contours we cannot know at this point. But we know that a refusal to risk the dance will be tantamount to agreeing to slow death. So, let the youngstrers dance, it’s their future at stake, after all, and help them with guidance and any other help you can offer, and pray that they get it right.
Sure. The thing is, for all of my high-falutin’ philosophizin’, I’ve never really had the stones to try to imagine solutions to this. The funny thing is, while watching this movement, these folks are manifesting a new arrangement that I will need to study and learn from. It is more mature than I am. I am in awe.
The suits watch Occupy Chicago
if their persistence can lead to people asking questions and demanding answers progress will have been made.
thank you!
You made me proud, rc.
Thank you.
Rc wins the internet tonight.
Is this happening at the wifi level? If so, it won’t matter what site they are trying to stream from? Is ATT playing the role that Verizon played at Liberty Plaza?
Cyberwar!
That’s the suspicion and the allegation.
Aw, shucks, guys. (shuffles feet)
Has anyone anywhere spotted Haskell Wexler?
Well said.
Abraham Tekippe, Crain’s Chicago Business: ‘Take Back Chicago’ demonstrators converge on downtown
Spot on.
Occupy Kansas City livestream
General assembly is in session. Going through the stack.
Occupy Chicago general assembly pic
Good on you .
Tristan Navera, The Columbus Dispatch: Occupy Columbus rally aims to show unity with protesters on Wall Street
Check the lede to this article. Priceless!
Who does the maintenance on this greenway in Boston?
Park services, I think, and they support the occupation, if the rumors are correct.
Thanks, mzchief, for relaying pertinent twitter posts – much appreciated! In Albuquerque the official UNM report is that protesters will be allowed to congregate for the daylight hours, no camping. Also they hadn’t the correct permit for Yale Park, don’t know if that has been remedied. Sounded as though they were getting the runaround quite a bit there. Weather is improving, so that may help.
Jeff raises a good point with respect to Egypt and it is very sad what happened to the Copts also. But I simply cannot envision a similar happening here (and hopefully there will be changes in the Egyptian situation as well as the sympathetic ‘silent majority’ take a good look at what is happening to their country.
I see our occupations as simply standing up and saying that the emperor has no clothes. As such, they themselves are not what is; they are simply reflecting what is, and what is will not be going away any time soon. So, the reality of what they are doing is that they embody our frustration with the broken system as a whole. There could very well be, and I hope there will not be, but there could – a Kent State moment that will fuse the country together as that did then. We love our kids.
It is a very interesting conversation you and a few others are having. My two cents go something along the lines of what Alan Grayson said on Bill Maher the other night. There are 25 million unemployed, 46 million living in poverty, 50 million without health insurance and none of them have any real hope of changing it and no one talks for them, least of all our political class or Wall Street who get bailouts and are never punished for their crimes. Rich men, like the Kochs, buy government, suspend environmental rules and stand ready to make maybe billions on tar sands oil. And they buy their own political “leaders”, like Obama, et al. Pray tell what it is these people on OWS stand to lose? Why should they come up with one demand. They are all necessary. Did I mention education opportunity? Why should they defend capitalism or anything at all in our current system? The corrouptiona and crony capitalism are everywhere. I admire these kids. Stay on it.
The other day, the blog was about what music accompanies the Occupy Wall Street effort. I saw lots of suggestions. I didn’t see this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZKaCVNJ0hg
Anyone paying attention would have known at the time that it was a mistake to settle for replacing Mubarek with his military sympathizers. Hopefully, OWS will take the lesson from that, and if they can somehow manage to gain the whip hand, they will know enough to demand a true replacement of leadership rather than a sham one.
That comment is worth more than two cents.
Right-wing dirtbag James O’Keefe, apparently ticked off that Patrick Howley has garnered all the headlines he considered rightfully his, has apparently committed a parole violation by showing up at OWS:
O’Keefe’s spokesman says he did too ask a judge’s permission, and maybe he did and the paperwork just isn’t in his file yet. Or maybe he didn’t.
That creep shouldn’t be allowed out in polite society.
Russ Feingold is on KO talking about OWS. He is speaking our lanquage folks.
Cool!
What did I/am I missing? Just tuning in today for the first time.
I did see Kevin’s interview. You did good, Kevin. I’m glad you felt comfortable once you were situated.
Hey, you can’t just come in at the end and ask for a summary. My old head is spinning from all the information processing I’ve done trying to keep up with things. Short version: The government has not resigned yet.
I thought I’d ask. I was looking for a summary. Too busy a day today.
I went back and looked at yours and Jeff Kaye’s dialogue a bit. I love that the Occupations are happening and I’m also worried that the energy will get squashed or dissipated by the PTB, through co-option or provocateurs or through disappointment in lack of change and lack of knowledge about sustaining momentum.
At this point, the best hope I would have would be for the creation of alternative institutions and structure from the outset.
When the people who created the Israeli state were planning, this is basically what they did. Now, I’m not at all fond of them having removed Palestinians from the land then or now, but I think the creation of an alternative governing infrastructure worked for them.
That was something worrying me from the beginning about Tahrir Square. They didn’t have anything in place to replace Mubarek and military rule. So Mubarek’s gone and the military are ruling.
On a personal note, I took a hard fall today on my neighbor’s front step and feel a bit beat up.
That was some nice work by Alan Grayson.
Next time someone talks to him, maybe suggest a more representative measure would be to estimate not only those but all the people who are totally stressed out of their mind because they are worried about losing their job next week and never finding another one or with lousy health insurance and one medical problem away from financial wreckage.
I think the GA’s are the alternative democracy, and I think they’ll out-compete the corporate institutions everywhere.
I really think we might beat the bastards. I really do.
Oh, darlin’, I’m sorry to hear that. Are you badly hurt? Hope not. Maybe a good hot soak would help? As to current events, we seem to be entering the “Then they fight you” phase–lots of police action pending, especially Atlanta and Boston right now. It was always going to come to this at some point, let’s pray that nobody gets hurt too badly.
I urge you to consider how much credence you should put in a person who volunteers all that information. I do not know exactly how spying is done, but I do not think it is done by people with antennas on the top of vans flashing ID badges to the general public.
I agree that the GA’s are an alternative democracy. And….much more infrastructure is needed, like an alternative banking structure that is truly community based, like an alternative peacekeeping force. Like an alternative energy system and a sustainable food delivery system. Protections for water and the environment.
Thanks for the concern, sweetie. Bad gash on my knee and a bunch of scrapes. Left food is starting to hurt to walk on it. I’ve got it up on the computer desk wrapped in iced gel pack.
Probably easier than getting smashed around by police. I have only my own lack of attention to blame.
Yes, I believe we’re at the “Now they fight you” stage. This is the really dangerous part. Kudos for all the courageous folks on the line.
Time for me to go crawl into bed. Have a good night everyone.
Yes, we’re entering the phase Jeff Kaye was so concerned about. All praise and respect to those that are undertaking the risk in these initial skirmishes. And to those who trip and fall because they are, most likely, preoccupied with worrying about the freedom fighters.
Sweet dreams, gw, and awaken pain-free.
Occupy Wall Street to Start Making House Calls [Updated]
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_to_start_ma.html
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Report: Protesters to target Rupert Murdoch, David Koch
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