David Plouffe, Obama Administration senior adviser (photo: Obama for America – California )The protest moment that began with less than a hundred people sleeping overnight in a public-private park known as Zuccotti Park has grown exponentially into a full-blown media spectacle. The incidents of NYPD pepper-spraying protesters, the mass arrest of 700 protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge and the wave of endorsements from major labor unions, such as the United Steelworkers union and SEIU, have combined to give Occupy Wall Street the veneer of a full-fledged social movement. Simultaneously, the occupation has inspired citizens to launch other occupations in solidarity.
The past couple weeks have seen occupations spring up in Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Sacramento, San Francisco, St. Louis, Sacramento, and Tampa. These occupations have faced police repression, too—the most recent example being the raid of “Camp Two” of Occupy Boston in Dewey Square at 1:30 AM on October 11. The more occupations that are successfully launched, the more chance the “Occupy” movement has of becoming a movement that could really impact policies and politics in America.
However, Democrats are moving quickly to speak to the frustration of the “Occupy” movement. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sent around an email on Monday asking party supporters to sign a petition to Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner and Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor that told them they stand in support of Occupy Wall Street. Nancy Pelosi, seemingly ignoring her disinterest in addressing the crimes of Wall Street when she was Speaker of the House from 2006-2010, said she was one of the many Americans, who are not satisfied with Congress. Vice President Joe Biden said, “The core is the American people do not think the system is fair or on the level…That is the core of what you’re seeing on Wall Street.” And, President Barack Obama has said, “I think it expresses the frustrations that the American people feel.”
Senior adviser David Plouffe’s remarks that Obama is on the side of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are equally notable. He said on “Good Morning America” on Tuesday that Republicans want to “unwind Wall Street reform.” On “The Early Show,” he said before the financial reform legislation went into effect, “Wall Street was able to write too many of its own rules.”
The empathetic and populist-sounding rhetoric of Democratic leaders is going virtually unquestioned on television, as Democratic Party leaders and White House advisers direct attention at Republicans and claim they are solely responsible for the broad-based frustration in America. The media is responding to Democratic Party “support” by promoting discussion on whether the rising movement could be a liberal or leftwing Tea Party. Ed Schultz is pathologically convinced the people in these demonstrations are frustrated Obama supporters, whom the Democrats can use to make gains in the 2012 election. And, on October 12, he used his show to advocate for the creation of a “99% Caucus” in Congress to counter-balance the Republicans’ “Tea Party Caucus.”
Rev. Al Sharpton is working to cast the “Occupy” protesters as the life force that will help Democrats win in November 2012. He used the October 11 edition of his MSNBC show to have Van Jones, leader of the “Rebuild the Dream” campaign, and contributor to The Nation, Melissa Harris-Perry, on to discuss how occupiers could make an impact in the upcoming elections. Van Jones came on to speak for the occupiers, even though he hasn’t spent one night occupying or sleeping in any camp. And, Harris-Perry declared:
As much as it was a kind-of populist movement that didn’t have clear policy goals in the beginning, it very clearly and very quickly got on the train of affecting one of the political parties by moving the Republican Party through elections and through those candidates in those midterm elections toward their own agenda. And so I am excited by the kind of populist movement that is “Occupy” but I would also like to see it begin to actually define some goals that will actually push the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, both parties and define some policy goals.
The danger of offering policy goals now is that they may not be in a position to bargain with power yet. The occupiers must decide in their General Assembly what type of climate or situation they wish to see before they define any policy goals. They also should not be getting involved in elections. Getting involved in electoral politics too early is what stunted the impact of the Wisconsin uprising. Instead of launching a general strike, activists became involved in recall elections Demonstrations fizzled out as that fizzled out.
Why are Democrats moving to co-opt the “Occupy” protests? They are because the occupiers are in the process of redefining the left-most parameters of Democratic Party politics. The top 1% and financial institutions on Wall Street, which have been the target of these protests, are counting on the Democratic Party to serve as the shock absorber that they have been historically. Campaign donors they need to win elections are looking to them to insure they get out in front of this and head it off before it has any lasting impact. As Anthony DiMaggio and Paul Street write in their book Crashing the Tea Party, they are performing the “critical system-preserving change-containing function” they are expected to perform. It isa function they they performed in response to the “agrarian populist insurgency of the 1890s, the working-class rebellion of the 1930s and 1940s and the antiwar, civil rights, antipoverty, ecology and feminist movements during and since the 1960s and early 1970s (including the gay rights movement today).”
Another writer, Lance Selfa, expertly documents the Democratic Party’s history of co-opting social movements in the fourth chapter of his book Democrats: A Critical History. Selfa explains, while repression has been part of why US social movements have failed “to achieve more or to build a lasting political alternative to the corporate domination of politics,” another explanation is the “’carrot’ of political representation through the two-party system that has served as one of the bulwarks of American political stability.”
Quoted in the book is radical scholar G. William Domhoff, who wrote the following in 1972:
Despite the social and economic hardships suffered by hundreds of millions of Americans over the past one hundred years, the power elite have been able to contain demands for a steady job, fair wages, good pensions and effective health care within very modest limits compared to other highly developed Western countries. One of the most important factors in maintaining those limits has been the Democratic Party. The party dominates the left alternative in this country, and the sophisticated rich want to keep it that way. Democrats are not only attractive to the working man, but vital to the wealthy, too, precisely because they are the branch of the Property Party that to some extent accommodates labor, blacks and liberals but at the same time hinders genuine economic solutions to age-old problems.
The Democratic Party has typically integrated groups who feel the political process is unresponsive to their interests or does not give them proper representation. Groups integrated usually wind up making agreements or deals to not alienate allies within the Democratic Party. [Read most of the fourth chapter of Selfa's book here.]
Occupy Wall Street could be this group, like Van Jones’ “Rebuild the Dream” campaign. It could hire consultants and develop a slick messaging scheme that would counteract the impact of the Republican Party, which has successfully advanced corporate and authoritarian policies in society over the last decades. It could make a deal for access so regular meetings could be held with politicians in power. It could compromise principles and values to get piecemeal reform and gradually win support for a carefully crafted agenda that will receive a nominal amount of attention within the Beltway. Or, it could actually take notice of the fact that they are succeeding because they have not done any of that.
They have been told they need better messaging yet they have already forced a re-framing of discussion on economic issues by declaring, “We Are the 99%.” They already have politicians like DNC chairman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz willing to meet with occupiers. They have House representatives introducing legislation in Congress they would not have introduced prior to the protests. Neither is good enough to address the systemic problems in this country, which occupiers have been highlighting, but each represents the first sign that the movement could achieve real and lasting change.
Democrats will drain the vitality of the “Occupy” protests. They will try to convince protesters that what they are really angry at is Republicans and not a system rigged by both parties to serve corporate and special interests.
Liberals are likely to grow increasingly cautious and condescending if it looks like this energy will hurt Obama in 2012 and help a GOP candidate win the presidency. Democrats will use the two-party system, which gives off the illusion of choice, to cajole protesters into lowering their expectations and voting for Democrats to at least prevent the GOP and Tea Party from making gains.
As the weather becomes colder and organizers become more and more exhausted, Democrats will offer pragmatic fixes and perhaps ways to establish “legitimacy” within the establishment (assuming the protests are still ongoing). The occupiers will have a choice: become NGOized (as writer Naomi Klein might say) or stay true to the decentralized spirit of the occupations and continue to be an organic grassroots force for shifting the paradigm of debate on US economic and politics in society.
There is no single measure the occupiers can take to overcome the combination of repression and co-optation of movements by politicians, which has historically combined to neutralize movements, except for the fact that they can stand firm and face down repression and co-optation. They can make clear their principles. They can make clear their values and principles. They can make certain people never forget they are the 99% and they have struggled and made it this far. They can consistently note the widespread support they have to be a movement that ushers in an era of dignity and economic justice for all. They can even keep the conversation open so income inequality and unemployment isn’t only addressed but other issues, which plague society, can be addressed as well.
Occupy Wall Street has given Americans an opening. Skeptics and cynics keep a distance because they don’t know where it will go. The oppressed join in because they know this may be the last chance they have to shift the power from the few to the many. And, the world watches anxiously because they are tired of the most powerful nation in the world exporting economic destruction to countries abroad. They are sick of watching Americans tolerate such gross injustice.
On the other hand, President Barack Obama does not think the banks did anything illegal in the economic collapse. Democrats have not been willing to push for criminals on Wall Street to be held accountable. They have hesitated to do anything meaningful that would alter the control Wall Street has over Washington. Occupiers should keep this in mind when Democrats come to Liberty Park to offer concessions or make deals.



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The latest headline in the MSM is that Soros is funding OWS. Figured you saw this by now but thought I would post a comment about it.
I don’t think that is true – yet. That to me is a right wing smear being circulated.
Is there any truth to that? It’s funny, but that is one of the strategies of the PPB warned against in the Open Letter to #occupywallstreet by a Tea Partier. (Don’t have the link right now).
The whole idea that the Democratic Party exists to tap and drain the energy of the left is a radical idea to a *lot* of folks, particularly on the left. If we see the occupiers discuss and evaluate the idea that Democrats represent the 1%, then real change is possible, IMO.
Really glad that this post was written!
And now full-on bullying is emerging at the local level:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=134006163367599
There’s more, and the scorn for the GA process and consensus building is really striking.
Yeah, I’ve never heard the concept so clearly articulated before. What a wild time to be a leftie!
Nancy Pelosi – “It’s very hard to explain to Wall Street protesters that you need 60 votes in the Senate.”
That’s her reaction to suggestions that Wall Street occupiers blame Democrats too.
These occupiers are so done with the 60-vote bullshit.
W.O.W.
Worst.
Speaker.Minority Leader. Ever.Anyway, she’s just keeping her powder dry to fight another day./s
did you know that OWS is filled with commies who are going to become violent. I heard this from anti gun control people who have a complete lack of self awareness.
another rumor is that protesters are paid to be in Liberty Park.
I say, so what if they are? Who would be motivated to pay them? Obama? I think not. And if the protesters are paid, maybe it’s the only job available!
My local occupation’s facebook wall was getting heavily spammed with various Soros/NWO/illuminati/commie conspiracy theory links a few weeks ago. I can’t tell if it’s Koch-funded stuff or just the musings of the organically mentally ill.
the only time politicians get nervous is during elections. This is the only time we have them by the short hairs. They might actually have to pass some unpalatable but popular laws to get our vote this time. They might have to prosecute some big money donors, too.
I can’t either. Jeez, I went to a conservative board. I was saying exactly what they were saying, that Obama sucks, that both parties are in it together, but my faux pas was saying I support OWS. That OWS is not communists, they are pro-democracy.
I was told I needed to educate myself on what caused the financial crisis.
That I left out govt role in all this (what, I mentioned congress!)
That they would not support communists. (what’s commie about free speech?)
And gasp! Barney Frank!!! OMG!!!! (I said, yeah, OK)
and that it wasn’t a debate board!!! ROFLMAO! I wasn’t debating them!
The wingnuts are freaking out because Soros gave money last year to the Tides Foundation, which dispersed it among a number of groups. Tides gave $26,000 of that money to AdBusters, and that’s what the nutters are pointing to in finest Glenn Beck hydrophobic fashion.
What’s the difference?/s
Frankly, I’m suprised the PTB haven’t been screaming about Canadians infiltrating the US to cause mass unrest. Seriously.
lol.
Can you do a screen shot? Or did they already wipe your posts?
I hope they kick her ass out of there. It’s not her organization to run. It belongs to the people. All of them.
What do you mean? I can try. How do I send it to you? I can certainly do a cut and paste in the comments.
David Weigel, of all people, puts it in perspective:
So, out of curiosity…what does the far right *think* caused the economic crisis? Obama, for general purposes, or is there a more developed explanation? Because it’s hard to believe that even those peeps don’t see the evil excesses of Wall Street.
Wow! If I hadn’t dealt with the Booster Clubbers trying to game DKos’ ratings system against anyone who criticizes Obama (or tries to educate people on how they try to game the DK ratings system), I would be inclined to believe that this was a Republican shit-stirrer along the lines of James O’Keefe or Patrick Howley.
Power hunger does not discriminate.
It was weird, I tell you. I have to admit I was a little provocative because I was so sick of reading their comments about how pathetic it is to cry on Wall Street. hold on. brb.
A small cadre of party operatives have been shit-stirring in that direction for a while. First, they started yelling “You don’t belong here!” at the libertarians at the GAs. And that went over poorly with the group. Then more libertarian-punching online, which has mostly just been annoying. Overtly threatening to copyright and trademark the name is taking it to a whole new level, tho. The GA process does allow people who are obviously destructive to the group to be removed from the consensus process. All this person is doing is making the SCDP look bad. It’s really a profoundly stupid move on his/her part.
You don’t have to send them to me — you can use them for a MyFDL diary of your own.
As for how to make them: Google “making screen shots”, look for the ones for your particular operating system (Windows XP/Vista/7 or the various Mac OSes) and all will be revealed. (If you’re using a Windows computer, and pasting the screen captures into Microsoft Paint, remember to save them as JPEGs (.jpg)! Otherwise MS Paint saves them as Windows Bitmap files, which are huuuuuuge.
This is what I said:
Response #1
Response #2
Responder #1 to responder #2
Responder #2 to responder #1
responder #1
When I said I support the tea party, I mean the original sentiment. Please don’t hate on me.
Consider the possibility it is a double agent who is paid to say in an interview that he is paid to be in Zuccotti park. There was such a clip making the rounds, but I gave it no credence.
As best I can tell, the movement is self funded or is being funded by drive-by donations from the general public. There is no indication that anything is being parachuted in from a central location, beyond the original idea.
Notice the assumption on the Teepers’ part that violence is inevitable? They keep wanting us to blow our stacks, when that’s the last thing we should be doing.
and again, I say so what if they are paid? who would pay to protest big banks? Is that a bad thing? If you are against the big banks and these kids will sleep on the concrete to protest the big banks, where is there a problem? that the kids don’t really mean they don’t like big banks, that takes away credibility from it? I mean I guess if you make $200/day/protester that’s still just the coins I find in the washer.
Yeah, uh, gee you keep your Glock nice and shiny there, doncha?
oh and also, too,
notice the logic loop in expecting that voting will bring in someone who is not beholden to the banks. head/desk. voting is important, but it’s not enough. we have to make the pols fall in line after we vote.
I tried to edit my #33 to add that yes, we vote, but it’s not enough. Gotta make pols deliver after the election is over.
By the way, the OWS folks didn’t exactly welcome Al Sharpton (or any of the other celebrities) with open arms when he came to see them:
I’m not particularly worried that the co-optation attempts will work. My guess is that the OWS folks have learned from the different examples of the unions and the GLBT movement: The unions were too hesitant to demonstrate their independence from the Democratic machine, or even to exact a price for the party’s backstabbing them over the years; while much of the GLBT movement is stuck in the same veal pen as the unions, the more activist branches such as GetEqual aren’t hesitating to hold the Dems to their promises, and making sure that they don’t just give away their support without getting something in return.
Response to 32:
It is a contrast between the astroturf and the grassroots. To the extent the Tea Party was bussed to events by the Koch Brothers and promoted on Fox News, it is terribly flawed and can exist only so long as the abovementioned find it useful. To the extent the occupiers are there on their own dime of their own freewill, it is an expression that they are serious about making a change and will stay until it is done. The honesty and purity of the mission helps with attracting other people.
But they don’t need to care if I am correct because their legitimacy doesn’t depend on being covered by the news media, or attracting sufficient funding to run television commercials, or being approved of on blogs. They have their own media and their own agenda.
No hate on that count. I noted in a thread way, way back that there are common threads between #occupy and TP, even if the proposed remedies are very different.
thank you. that puts it in perspective for me.
Wow. So they know both parties are corrupt and yet their solution is to vote. Not sure but are these paid for sock puppets that the govt said it was creating under the pentagon. I mean how can one say govt is corrupt and then say the solution is to vote. beyond strange
Well in defense of that blog, corrupt government is integral to the problem, and perhaps a deeper discussion on the left about the the role of the Democratic Party as serving to tap and drain the drive toward reform is required to change anything. They *are* right about government.
However, like the trader on BBC said recently,
It would be much more useful if we could find common ground with the fringe right in order to fight the corruption we all abhor.
phew! thanks!
there is this from a libertarian (?) that is a little more receptive:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=195841
that’s the thing…I agree with them about corruption, but they will only point left.
The republicans WILL do anything to discredit this movement. There is no “ethics bar” they cannot limbo under.
And the party operative athena noted above will only point right. In whose interest is that kind of blaming? The corrupt.
This whole OWS thing has lifted me up. I now think there are LOTS of people who are fed up and are willing to show it. Is Washington watching and listening? Only time will tell.
I relish the day when citizens literally surround John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the rest and push them into a corner and say FIX IT!
Far better to co-opt something that’s a threat to you, than to stomp on it, especially when it’s gathering steam.
exactly! instead of facing each other (left v right) we need to stand side by side as people, as citizens. no purity test other than the right to vote, the right to free speech. What’s communist about that???
Amen to that!
As someone who spent the last week in Freedom Plaza I can tell you that Congressional Democrats have come too late to the party. We the people demand and Congress can but their 60 votes where the sun don’t shine.
We are tired of the lies and the brinksmanship and the playing of the angles and if the Democrats think that they can co-opt this movement I might ask where were they last week? Where were they when a 1000 of us marched to the White House to ask for a beer summit with President Obama. What we were given was a phone number to the White House that would ring twice and disconnect.
We marched on “K” street and to the Federal Reserve and as we marched in the streets a woman in front of us held up a sign which read; “Honk if you are struggling”
The people are struggling, they are done with politics as usual, done with Democrats and Republicans, done with the BS and are demanding action and action now!
Outstanding piece Kevin. Your next to last paragraph give me hope.
Same difference
I would be happier if they just put them in jail. I think we could charge them with fraud. they were elected to represent the people, took taxpayer money to pay their salaries and lavish benefits and in reality worked for the 1%
Have I said lately that I like the “cut of your jib”?
I have an idea I’d like to “float” out there. Seriously. A “symbolic march on Washington.” SMOW if you wish. We can’t all BE THERE, so , what if we mail or UPS a pair of shoes to the capitol on a given day. Anybody know anybody who can help us organiza that????
Not that I disagree. But let me ask a question. Democrats are being asked by reporters about OWS. What are they supposed to say? If they dismissed it as a fringe element, I’m sure you would have a problem with that as well. If they say something nice, like “I understand their frustration,” is that automatically co-opting? At what point does fear of co-optation turn into paralysis and the inability to coalition-build.
Obviously there are other, more substantive things that are being done. But I don’t know why a positive comment from a politician asked a direct question about a protest movement is something to scorn.
Treason.
See my #53.
Has anyone started Occupy Yellowstone yet? I’m need a vacation and don’t want to pay for camping or meals. Let the 1% pay their fair share.
I’d “bet” we could get a helluva turnout for “Occupy Las Vegas”.
Welcome converts not con artists. Presently empowered D’s have to do something to show they are converts to the OWS movement. Shall we make a list. So far I have no one.
Yellowstone is too close to Cheney..how about Occupy La Costa or Mission Beach?
Kevin , this is one of your best posts IMHO.
It also shows strongly the reasons why, rather than burn out or be driven off the streets by winter weather , we must escalate the actions anew !
Have they got a Ramada Inn in LaCosta????
I tell you, when you’ve got both Nancy Pelosi and Ayatollah Khomaini on your side, you are getting somewhere.
Now, if we can get more politicians who rep Wall Street and more dictators who gun down their citizens lending support, we’ll really have a movement!
We can do what the PGA does. Move the “tour” down south in the winter, Florida, Arizona, Texas, and up north in the summer.
What, nobody likes my “shoes” idea?????
The point is, fuck the well known supporters. They didn’t do anything before and they’re just trying to sponge some credibility off OWS
Kevin?????????
Kevin, I was surprised to see it as the lead news bit on Yahoo three hours ago via Reuters.
This has since been posted from NYMag.
And this too.
Bubba talked about this on the Letterman show last night, it was intelligent and prescient……he said others would quickly move in to fill the Void” created by this ows
Democrats are as responsible as the repigs for the conditions that OWS is protesting about. OWS has every reason to be mistrustful of them. If they don’t know what to say when reporters ask them a question, that’s their problem. Let them squirm. As far as “concessions and deals,” forget it. They will receive demands. Impeach Thomas and Scalia for starters.
Well, it depends on the politician and what they’re saying. A few can genuinely claim to have been fighting for the people (more or less.) But when politician who overtly serve the the elites, are funded by Wall Street, etc claim to have been fighting the good fight all along and really feel our pain, well…
Regarding coalition-building, it is happening, just sans politicians. For example, we embrace organized labor but don’t want and don’t need union bureaucrats acting as spokespeople or dictating policy endorsements.
Easy for her to run her mouth now that she doesn’t have to back it up with a majority. She can just sit by and safely take potshots. Nice try, but no kewpie doll…
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/13/protesters_refuse_to_leave_zuccotti.php
Seems Bloomberg isn’t willing to wait for cold weather to freeze
out the occupiers. On friday they’re implementing ominous rules -
no tents, gear, no lying down! – that will make
life significantly more difficult for the occupiers in Liberty Park.
I wonder, could they find another site in NYC?
I commented on this earlier on a diff thread. Reuters article front-paged in the NYT. Apparently, a foundation Soros contributes to, in turn gave $26,000 to Adbusters from 2007-2009. Soros spokesperson and Adbusters both deny that money was for Occupy. Nonetheless, the right-wing will run with it because, well, because booga- booga, SOROS. IMO, if Soros got Occupy to start a successful revolution for the price of a used car, then he is indeed the greatest investor in history.
ON EDIT: Um, next time I’ll know to read the whole comment thread before I comment. Apologies for the redundancy.
As they should be. Because it is BULLSHIT.
The Democrats, by controlling the Senate and White House, could have and can get rid of the 60 vote requirement any time they wanted. Today if they wanted. (And BTW, the Republicans publicly AGREED they have this power.)
That they DON’T is PROOF that they don’t WANT TO. They CHOOSE to leave it in place because they need that as an EXCUSE. Period.
If the Republicans win the White House and Senate next year, they too can change it if they want to. Any time. Any day. Done.
Heh. That’s a week’s worth of material for Glenn Beck.
Beware what you wish for. The 60 vote rule is the ONLY thing standing between repeal or gross alteration of Social security and Medicare and keeping it going.
Exactly. The OWS folks may seem all starry-eyed to outsiders, but they know that their freedom is their strength. Stay free, and make alliances that do not compromise what you’re about, and your power is preserved.
If they are in agreement with the movement I would think there are a few things Dems could do as a sign of solidarity with OWS.
Give back corp election donations (especially from the banks).
Bring back Glass-Steagal.
A DOJ perp walk of some CEO’s for fraud.
What about the jagoff, unconstitutional Stupor Committee?
Er, Occupy Waikiki?
I’m not sure the Democrats are all so reconciled to OWS. If they were, there wouldn’t be so much police pressure in many Occupied localities, most of which have Democratic city governments. There appear to be two forces battling within the Democrats–one which accepts the validity of the protests on some philosophical level and seeks to coopt them, and another, more DLC and Third Way oriented, which takes a more adversarial position (akin to that of the Republicans) and, recognizing the revolutionary potential of the movement, seeks to crush it.
Seriously.
What’s funny is that Michael Moore probably has given them money. Not a lot, but I doubt he hasn’t contributed anything at all since the occupation began. Wonder why they’re not conspiracy-mongering about him?
Bloomie’s trying to use the perceived “need to clean” as a pretext for getting rid of OWS: http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/13/live-blog-for-ows-day-27-sanitation-as-pretext-to-clear-out-liberty-park/
If this sounds familiar, a similar gambit was used to try to force the protesters out of the Wisconsin State Capitol.
EXACTLY, without the 60 vote rule, SS would be gone. Gone.
The super committee, if it does anything, will nibble. Without 60 vote rule, SS would be grossly altered. It is different from the super committee which MUST have one Democrat to alter anything to SS. But, without 60 votes, SS could be vastly changed without needing ANY Democratic votes.
I don’t personally think whatever comes out of the occupy movement is likely to help the Democrats. Mainly that’s because Obama has so clearly betrayed everyone, but especially the young. People like me are old enough to take this, but he burned them when they could have been a progressive force. I was down at Occupy Portland today and although Elk Street is open, there are more tents than ever. There is hardly a soul of any age that has not taken a hit from the 2008 crash. I think the whole partisan thing is not relevant at the moment.
Regardless of party the corrupt political class are all 1%ers and enemies and traitors to the people.
So true. But they derive strength from their sheer numbers, as well, so I do worry that severe weather or actions like what you just linked to (and nycterrierist mentioned @72 above) will in some manner ‘divide and conquer’.
If he clears out Liberty Park, OWS (uncoopted) will become unstoppable.
Looks like they’ll have to rename it Occupy Jail Cell.
Time to begin steps towards the threat of a general strike !
Escalation before the democrats create the impression they own the movement needs to begin sooner than later.
Keeping participation this high for a sustained period of time is unlikely and then there is the fact of winter weather pushing half the country off the streets.
Waiting longer will bring us closer to the campaign season as well giving the “good guys” the upper hand and peeling away voters still unconscious of the subterfuge left and republican voters on the right .
This can be started inn such a way as to add those not presently participating in the occupations directly because of either geography or employment situations.
A national go late to work day !
If I were an evil think-tanker, I wouldn’t endorse openly doing anything drastic to social security all at once. That would be way too likely to cause a leftist uprising among the AARPers. Progressive, incremental nibbling is the plan.
Unlike you riechwinger, I don’t fear democracy.
If the people of this country vote for a majority party to run things, then that party SHOULD get to institute the policies they ran on.
Go ahead R’s. Eliminate SS. And Medicare. And the minimum wage. And while you’re at it, get rid of overtime and all worker safety regs too.
Do it. I dare you. No, I WANT YOU TO. A real opposition party will win power back and keep for a generation.
It’s only nuts and right wingers that fear democracy.
60 votes was the reason single payer was dropped, supposedly.
If they DO these they become converts.
And an honorable occupation it will be.
Who couldn’t use a little more time off . An hour late to start, for which it is doubtful anyone will lose their job or have to default upon their mortgages .
If this does not get their attention , 2 hours the following week and so on.
By working our way up to it we can threaten something much larger while picking up support over weeks if need be .
This would help empower the 99% while not bringing the system down around our ears .
Yeah, can’t have peacable assemblies here.
Nope, that would definitely be unAmerican to have people gather and protest their grievances.
Great idea but soon we’ll be using snow shovels rather than brooms and dust pans .
Alabama brings back slavery. From the guardian
A consequence of this chaos, though, is that we’re seeing absurd and flat out racist applications of the law. A hotline set up by an immigrant protection group has received more than 2,000 phone calls from families in dire need. The pleas range from mothers trying to place their children in safe protection while they look to flee the state, to students being questioned at schools and accounts of abuse and harassment. It is not clear yet how many have been or will be arrested under this provision, but the number will surely make one sector happy: private detention facilities.
Yes, Alabama will have to go that route. In fact, it already has. Not only will this law supply fresh inmates to private detention centers in the state – like the one operated in Decatur by LCS correctional corporation – but it will also feed an already bloated national private prison system controlled by two major corporations, CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) and the GEO group, which have a combined profit of more than $5bn
The difference between Alabama and adjoining states is that it is willing to go further down this track. Recently, John McMillan, agriculture commissioner, proposed that the farm work left behind by immigrant workers be supplied with inmate labor.
So, here is how it goes. First, the state passes a harsh immigration law. Then, it detains large numbers of immigrants. Third, private prisons (LCS, CCA, GEO) receive fresh inmates. And finally, the artificially created labor shortage is supplied by the new inmates. Does this sound like modern-day slavery to anyone
Who says a national holiday has to be established by an act of congress ?
Ugh, disgusting.
When history judges America 300 years from now (if the planet lasts that long. I think it will, though perhaps not much like it is now) it will be very unpleasant. And RIGHTLY so.
Any country, ANY COUNTRY, that allows PROFIT taking from sickness, injury (health care) AND depriving citizens of liberty (incarceration) is one truly SICK and DISGUSTING country. Both of those necessities should have the obscene profit motive REMOVED from them.
Glocks are black, my dear. Just sayin . . .
The only black thing righties approve of, it would seem lol.
I get what you’re saying, but I can guarantee you that if they try to take it over, there will be pushback, and tremendous resentment directed at the Democrats
The people who I’ve come across have been knowledgeable and informed – which means they know about the complicity of both main political parties in getting us in this mess
The only politicians worthy of credibility are those who voted against The Financial Services Modernization Act, The Commodities Futures Modernization Act, ceding war powers to the President, and funding for the “non-wars”. This doesn’t include Bill “NAFTA” Clinton, whether he regrets signing the first two Acts into law, or not.
Get it from the 1%ers; they’re already getting federal gov corporate welfare
Look, We 99% are LINKING outside the DEM Ballet BOX (For NOW)! So, Whose Public Speech And SPACE?!! WHOSE Country? WHOSE WORLD? OWS’ !!! (And it’s LIBERTY SQUARE park).
While that is correct and a very valuable criticism I still think it obvious that if the democrats were actually representing us we wouldn’t have taken to the streets in the first place .
This is precisely why I believe that it now time to begin upping the ante.
How many more people are needed to spend weeks on the street before we actually achieve something more than rhetorical window dressing ?
Unfortunately we all know that will never happen as long as the bulk of these protests cost the MOTU no real pain.
“Democrats will drain the vitality of the “Occupy” protests. They will try to convince protesters that what they are really angry at is Republicans and not a system rigged by both parties to serve corporate and special interests.”
From what I heard at Occupy Walnut Creek yesterday, the demonstrators are just about as angry at Democrats as they are at Republicans. Democrats would only be able to co-opt these folks by ceasing to be Democrats as we know them. I don’t expect that to happen in time for Obama. Maybe a thoroughly reformed party and new candidate could make headway. Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy in 1968 come to mind. Of course, that “reform” was aborted …
When the vast majority of the population wants those programs strengthened, we should be asking why it is that a 60 Senate vote threshold is what stands between the people and a destroyed social safety net. *That* is one of the points behind #occupy.
I think OWS has already been co-opted and the tipping point was last week when the movement was poised to move exponentially with Dylan Ratigan’s campaign to Get Money Out of politics achieving the 100,000 signature threshold. No sooner had Ratigan delivered it to Dick Durban in Congress than he changed the wording on the petition. Initially it was:
Then Ratigan added that the proposed amendment was a “DRAFT”, and added another possible “DRAFT” by Lawrence Lessig:
Talk about stepping on your own message.
I doubt that anyone signing the petition prior to the addition of Lessig’s amendment thought that they were signing onto an amendment that could be gamed and not deliver on the promise of “Getting Money Out of Politics”.
Since then I’ve noticed a drop-off of momentum everywhere for dissent along with the powers-that-be coalescing their forces and containing OWS.
While that is true I assert that that will only last until the threat of the next election closes in.
We must bring this to a head before that time.
Beautifully put, YSD!
The absolute demolition of the Federal Reserve Bank is what I focus on, and until these politicians are courageous enough to tackle the Fed and strangle it to death we will be subject to the
‘business cycle,” a criminal endeavor that rips your money right out of your hand. It is made up of the following, deflation, inflation war and death because that is very profitable. We need a new monetary system and I see no reason to do any talking with any elected official until they see this as something we should do. In fact it is imperative to do so.
it is owned and operated by people who are not even citizens of this country in part. They finance war, on both sides, the winner indemnifying the losers debt, just for your information, but not to insult your own intelligence.
This money crunch is a purposeful act to generate billions in profit. And don’t write me off as some nut because I am not. I don’t get much countenance here, I am not all warm and fuzzy but I do have a mind to think.
This is the only course out of this madness that makes sense.
If it were the Republicans answering with praise and support of OWS would you welcome that or view it with suspicion and scorn?
Be honest.
Because the Democratic Party has now earned the same suspicion and scorn as the Republican Party has IMO. And others too I suspect.
How about a national goof off at work day. Actually that’s just normal around my place. Heh.
yeah OWS will believe that Obama and the Dems are going to bring Hope and Change and change their mind about not prosecuting the many thousands of crimes by wall street. Everyone will be so happy when they elect him again and fill Washington Dc when he’s sworn in again. Yeah that’ll happen.
I wouldn’t vote for that phony bologna Wall street tool again under any circumstances. OWS needs to put up their own candidate. Right now. If OWS seriously allows itself to be co opted by the right wing tool, Obama and Wall Street’s top of the pyramid, Goldman Sach group, it will be a done deal within hours.
i think I just threw up in my mouth
fuckin a
See my comment
You actually heard it from Victoria Jackson from SNL. Google her 15 minute video clip which is posted on the Huffingtonpost. She tries to badger several OWS people. One of which nicely refuted all of her ignorant ideas. He actually liked her and was not at all confrontational.
When Congress passes three trade agreements in this atmosphere, they’re not being moved by OWS.
And when Nancy Pelosi votes for these trade agreements, the Democratic Party is confident of its ability to control and contain OWS.
It bears repeating…State sponsored Capitalism is Fascism.
Hmm not sure why people would think you are a nut. you are right. but in addition to the fed we need to also stop the banks controlling the money supply through fractional reserve banking. that is just for starters but t does go the root of the problem
Hey, I resemble that remark ! Some of us have made a living of goofing off .
Bingo! However, the huge number of House Democrats who opposed these deals may be beginning to be swayed …
Except in this case OWS is people standing up for their beliefs. As soon as the Dems try to tell people what they are standing up for, they’ll go home. The two party system is broken and the message by OWS on this has been clear. There needs to be a move by OWS to declare their sovereignty from either party NOW.
What new monetary system, how does it work?
I should complain to management. Oh, wait…
I think you’ve misinterpreted cregan’s position. If you think what goes on in Congress has a relationship to democracy or that there is a significant difference between the goals of the two parties you’re mistaken. Few of the selected representatives are concerned with the interests of the 99% rather than those of the 1%. I think cregan was implying that a successful attack on social programs can’t be mounted with the artificial 60 vote requirement.
She sounded like a whiny baby. If that wasn’t a clown act I don’t know what is.
I don’t fear Democracy. I can tell you that a lot more right wingers pray for the 60 vote rule to be eliminated than left wingers.
Not me, I don’t want to see wild swings back and forth.
But, right wingers positively salivate at getting the 60 vote rule eliminated. I mean rabid salivating, worse than the usual odd behavior.
Bill Maher talked about creating the Donner party within the Democratic party. To a certain extent, I agree with him. The candidates would be about replacing the current oligarch/monopoly system with Democracy. People should challenge the Democrats at every turn with a candidate that will shift the debate back to the Constitution and away from the monied interests.
You got that right.
I predict this movement is going to begin dying off and being co opted by the democrats unless we escalate quickly and press our advantage.
We haven’t come this far down the road in a long while and it would be a shame if we didn’t at least peak around the bend .
Just my two cents .
The Obama Administration and Democratic “Leadership” have progressed from leading from behind to speaking from their behinds, not fully understanding that most OWS protesters would prefer a dose of tear gas to the gas the Democrats are passing around.
Aw thanks!
And I might add that the symbolism of protesting Wall Street is also lost on some folks. They think OWS should be in DC.
I think you’re right.
Just look at who some of the directors are … especially the first one below
James ‘Jamie’ Dimon of JP Morgan, James S. Tisch of the Loews Corporation, Michael F. Camardo formally of Lockheed Martin, Thomas I. Barkin of McKinsey & Company, Michael A. Cook of Walmart, Patricia E. Yarrington of Chevron …
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/listdirectors/
Anyone wonder why trillions went to bail them out?
Yes I said trillions
The Quick Guide General Assembly process — as adapted by local Occupations — will make short work of any attempted take over or hijack of the Occupy movement by any institutional interest, including but not limited to the Democratic Party. The Party nomenklatura can make all the noise they want about taking the Occupations over and/or integrating them into their campaigns. It won’t work.
If anything, there are far more Ron Paul campaigners and Zeitgeist Movement people on the ground at Occupations than there are Dems.
Single payer was dropped the moment after Obama uttered the phrase. It was campaign BS.
Exactly and do it now, before the elections.
If that were true they would’ve done it when they threatened too back in the mid 2000′s. You know, back when they routinely passed right wing desires like tax cuts and tax cuts and more tax cuts. And war and more war. And Patriot Acts taking away civil rights…
No, if the right wing wanted the 60 vote
excusethreshold gone it would’ve gone already.Nice try though.
I understand your argument but that rule lets them hide.You know we can’t get the public option b/c we don’t have the 60 votes, we can’t pass the jobs bill, etc. I used to think it was protection but I doubt that now. If the assholes really want to change SS they will do so. Do you suppose if Obama wants to cut SSMM he can’t do it? And it is not much protection as the votes yesterday proved. So maybe if the thugs want to eliminate SS and they have the votes they should and then bear the consequence. If we as a democratic society allow that to happen, well…
And how do you suggest pressing our advantage? (not being confrontational because I agree the next step must come swiftly, just curious)
Shaping this as the problem is Wall Street greed is all well and good, but that is a dead-end meme. In capitalism, a business’s goal is to wipe out competition and become a monopoly. Regulations are what prevents that and other businesses’ abuses, and that leads us right back to Washington. Congress and the White House. Both sides of the aisle.
there is no politician, sucker of flaccid c#$k bought and paid for, with honor, same as it always was..
to be trusted
unless you like getting hit in the teeth
over and over
I called 4 senators today, I should have just faced the wall and chewed plaster.
polite I was
but they heard me not
BTW, it’s time for a Tobin Tax
http://crookedtimber.org/2011/10/04/time-for-a-tobin-tax/
new sign: we’re not the ones sh#tting on you.
I disagree and was considering cregan’s comment with all of his past comments.
I’m not ignorant of the fact that both of these parties work for the same 1%, but please don’t expect me to believe that the 60 vote threshold is there to protect anything remotely progressive like the social safety net.
If they want cuts to SS and Medicare, cuts they’ll get. 60 vote or 70 vote threshold. My point is that the 60 vote threshold then becomes a REAL OBSTRUCTION to any new party (or a reformed D or R party) that wants real progressive change like single payer health care, a real, living minimum wage, etc. etc.
THAT’s what the 60 vote threshold is there to block. Whenever they want non-progressive change, why they’ll either somehow come up with 60 votes or come up with an excuse that they don’t need 60 (see reconciliation, super Congress, etc.)
If we ever want real change to come in the current system (which may be impossible but I’m not giving up hope yet) then the 60 vote bullshit MUST be removed. It’s there to protect the status quot.
OWS has said repeatedly that they are non-partisan.
It’s a marriage in that daddy is allowed to beat the crap outta the kids and mommy doesn’t want to see it.
They did it in Austin last night, too.
Hey dosido,is there a reason why you didn’t mention the absolute necessity of campaign finance reform.Enforcing laws is wholly inadequate,since bought politicos have crafted designer legislation that gives economic royalists the right to perpetrate serious felonies .
“We are the
Borg,DNC, prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.”oh gosh, no thanks.
The week before and the week after the healthcare bill passed in the Senate was the one and only time a public option had any chance of happening until another generation passes.
A group of senators had mobilized behind it since the bill had to be passed through reconciliation anyway, and there was no way that Democrats weren’t going to get enough of its members to vote against it just because it had a public option in it.
Obama nixxed it.
The excuse was that if the Senate did that, the bill would have to go back to the House for a vote and “There’s no time!”
After the (allegedly ) pro-public option senators accepted that excuse and stood down, 2 flaws were discovered with the bill (by Republicans) requiring its return to the House anyway. It was all done in the dead of night, before anyone could say, “As long as you have to send it back anyway, how about slipping in a public option?”
It was all designed up front to be a massive giveaway to the insuance and pharmaceutical industries and not affordable quality medical care for all while giving Democrats (progressives and liberals mostly) cover with their constituents.
Was that legal? I thought TARP was around 800 billion. How is it possible? someone should be in jail.
no, no reason other than I was on a righteous rant in response to some crap I read upstream on the message board. I can’t think straight when my heart is racing. good point.
Exactly. That is what I am talking about. If you are interested there is a very long video that is available to watch and it is not of the wild eyed conspirational genre. Here is the link. Should be required information for all students in high school, not to brainwash but inform. But I forgot thery don’t teasch anything their anymore.
http://www.esoterictube.com/the-money-masters.html
You act like it was a lot of money when it only amounted to approximately 16 trillion. That’s about what the Pentagon pays for 2 hammers and 1 nail.
http://my.firedoglake.com/freeman/2011/10/07/weather-alert-for-the-occupations/
I think it proves the Federal Reserve can do anything they want
Maybe you should have offered them more payola than their patrons do.
About the cleanliness at Zuccotti Park – I remember seeing a quote where one protestor was told by a local worker thank you because they’d never seen the park so clean – which I could find the link to it – and then this was posted yesterday –
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2791764/posts
That comment wins the LLOL Award for the thread!!! (Literally Laughin Out Loud Award.) *g*
All of which proves the 60 vote rule is nonsense and used to make excuses when one is needed. Just more reason to get rid of it and more reason to think the democrats are no better than the thugs.
Go look back in the CR and see how many votes Bush’s tax cut for the job creators got. It was less than 60.
Ows can make campaigns corp money free. They gotta give it back if they took it and can’t take anymore. Don’t vote for anyone who won’t sign our Nordquistlike pledge not to accept corp money.
Hey dosido,loved the rant.
I agree.
And OldFatGuy is correct; these rules exist to protect the status quo, the powers-that-be, and when they don’t (protect the status quo), that’s when they’re changed or a way-around is found.
seen it and agree. I have posted many times here that FDL should get Bill Still on and do an article. people need to understand what is going on and for how long
News Flash! The system is corrupt, broken and beyond repair. Even the founders realized that professional politicians would corrupt the system and didn’t embrace a two party controlled government because it would result in tyranny. The best we can hope for is a transition to a parliamentary system comprised of several factions. Too bad that everyone who voted for Gore in 2000 didn’t vote for Nader instead.
Have you readd the GAO report?
haha They’d be in high cotton then I am a man of wealth and no fame..h/t RS. Only money is not something I have a good relationship with, it keeps divorcing me over irreconcilable differences.
I was exaggerating about the purchasing prowess of the Pentagon. It would probably only buy 1 hammer, rather than 2.
thanks.
I grew up in a very GOP house. It drives me crazy when people go to the lazy talking points even when people they don’t like are saying and supporting what they want. It’s so effing stupid.
It’s just so, I don’t want to be in a club that would have YOU as a member.
I mean, if a bank set fire to your house and told you a communist drove the fire truck, you would wave it off? arghhhhhhh!
Nope
And have been out of the loop on a lot of news recently because of family health issues and going to occupysac downtown
Kevin’s livestreaming from Boston upstairs, he and Scarecrow are on their way to a Verizon demonstration.
Many around the country , with families and mortgages to pay, deep in credit debt, who now applaud the protesters can not make it to Wall Street or Washington DC but would still like to do more than merely sympathize .Without providing a viable way for the people to participate in these events, while these actions will undoubtedly raise public awareness and force a more serious dialogue about our real problems as a nation upon the MSM and our “Representatives ” in government, they will remain mostly symbolic , carried out by only a small segment of those who are in support of them.
In view of this appraisal I would like to advance the following proposal .
Begin to advocate and provide an avenue which will make those now on the sidelines engaged in a way that is not merely poetic but has the threat of some teeth in it through means involving little real effort or danger to working men and women , and is both universally available to most among the citizenry and more efficient than what is now going on in the streets.
Working men and women around the nation could be encouraged to go to work an hour late on a certain day collectively , en masse !
This is unlikely to put anyone among the 99% in any real danger of losing their livelihoods or homes but would be extremely empowering to the American population as a whole and allow them to become participants rather than spectators ! The simple fact of such a small act would be to forshadow a much larger possibility , the threat of a general strike nationwide which stops the wheels of industry and finance entirely . This would put those in the upper 1% on notice that the democracy is neither for sale or exclusively the property of their ilk and educate us all on who really holds the reins of power !
The threat of such a possibility would be a clear shot off the bow of the ship of state and involve the vast majority of Americans in our collective liberation .
How about trying a trial separation next time. Send your money to me for six months; if it doesn’t come back to you after that you can assume it wasn’t meant to be. This will save you overdraft fees as well.
Well freeman…I love the idea of offering some kind of expression for sympathetic nonoccupiers. Perhaps we should start a brainstorm thread. I do think some would lose their jobs for showing up late, others own their own business and it’s a moot point. Your concept is a good one.
Also, I think the withdrawal of money from big banks is definitely getting some attention. As Billy Ray Valentine said in Trading Places: it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people.
So I was thinking about Get money out of politics and if that would end the corruption?
IMO corporations could still control the process through
lobbyists
jobs for friends and family members
controlling which candidates get coverage and which get slammed in the media
jobs for the politician or payoffs down the road after they leave office
These are just a few examples of how corporations could still game the system. For example you can’t ban politicians or families getting jobs, and trying to limit the types of jobs they took would be impractical.
You can’t ban companies (through lobbyist) being able to speak to politicians to have their message heard, and giving that legislation is often pages long it would still be easy for a politician on a bill “fund more schools” to slip in a provision do x, y, or z.
Sure it would still be an improvement over what we have but so long as the power over many are in the hands of a few it is easy for corporations to find all kinds of ways to co-opt them. We need to move to a more direct democracy system where more not less people have a say in how our country works
He said on “Good Morning America” on Tuesday that Republicans want to “unwind Wall Street reform.”
Excuse me? What reform? Wall St still has waaaay too much freedom, and THAT is a big part of the problem!
This is where an OWS approval for a politician or candidate would help. Say there was an OWS committee (rotating members who have signed on to our principles) that could look at all the factors that make up tainted votes or campaigns and give a thumbs up or down. Like a good housekeeping seal of approval. Label someone a 1%er or a 99%er?
How about a non-payment month?
I think you’re right that getting the money out of politics (via public funding of campaigns alone) isn’t the sole solution.
Eliminating corporate personhood is on my top 10 quickest and vital solutions for reform (wresting power over government from the rich and corporate) is necessary, along with ending the revolving door between government and lobbying.
Any politician that doesn’t have that as his or her first order of business doesn’t get my vote or support.
Super !
What’s important is that we create something which is easily participated in, out of the weather and available to all that takes this from the merely symbolic towards actions with teeth.
thanks mswinkle, your heart is true.
It would be good to get him here. He would cut to the chase.
I fear it too late. Swords are rattling again and this time it is going to be hell on earth..I truly hope I am misguided and wrong.
But it would surely help some of those in OCW to have this information, if they don’t already.
I don’t seem operate from logic of left brain thinking, more like feeling tones. I feel what’s coming, I know in my heart that this will end someday. I can’t say the circumstance. It is all I have to keep me going in the experience of overwhelming pain. Not a very manly man am I nor do I want to be.
Perhaps we should start a brainstorm thread.
That’s a great idea !
Another idea which was proposed @182 by brendanx is of a non payment month.
This could also be very effective for the same reasons and could begin as merely a late payment month, say just before a penalty is introduced, en masse .
I wish that Van Jones did show up at an Occupy location and got pelted with rotten vegetables.
spot on -
MSNBC is not about to really push for getting private money out of politics.
Besides, the idea is to get the left chasing institutions – like the banks – and leaving alone the rich folks that destroyed the economy through their control of and/or employment at the banks.
So lets get the AG’s to refuse a bank settlement and keep the mortgage market and our economy dead while doing so – just as long as they do not chase rich folks to jail.
Democrats will drain the vitality of the “Occupy” protests. They will try to convince protesters that what they are really angry at is Republicans and not a system rigged by both parties to serve corporate and special interests.
On the other liberal news sites the comments being made show that most of us realize both parties are useless and serve the same corporate masters … not unlike our ‘illustrious’ president.
You would be broke anyway ha ha mi SS aint so SS (Super Spiffy)
Lets stop commenting on the news and start making some (more) !
The party mandarins will make it a priority to collect protesters’ names and email addresses, then dun then incessantly for money. Chances of the mandarins actually listening to the protesters: close to absolute zero.
John, where do I go in Sac. Be specific, I just moved to Redding and have only been through there and to UC Davis once. Directions appreciated. My email is
maxbunko at gmail dot com. I would drive down tomorrow or next day.
One front has to be the media.
OWS has to go to where the news is – Where broadcasters live and work.
Like the walking tour (of the rich’s homes), OWS has to be where broadcasters can’t ignore them.
“We’ll avoid picketing your homes as long as you cover us regularly and fairly.”
Good idea. Nothing wrong with getting personal. Nothing else affects the high and mighty.
Thanks Kevin. Another great piece.
One comment from me.
The true danger of offering policy goals now, and indeed of trying to use electoral politics to effect change, is that there is NO mechanism of enforcement. Our representatives, once elected, do not have to represent us. The only reprisal they need fear is not being reelected. During their single term they can do whatever the hell they want.
error – see 201
I hear #OWS in NYC is being evicted Fri.! Bloomberg and his pals in the Oligarchy have decided it’s no longer entertaining.
Bill made it abundantly clear ( no pun intended) whose side he was on in this, didn’t he?
Fewer accept pleasing words from hypocritical politicians.
All politics is personal. Unless and until it affects you, people have no dog in the hunt.
Last night Bill Clinton was on Letterman and repeated the meme at least twice that “Americans don’t begrudge the success of others”.
When it’s at the expense of the greatest number (99%), yes, I do begrudge it.
When the success of the 1% has been by gaming the US political system and unfair practices, then a light needs to be shined on them. Like this – http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/jamie-dimons-house/
And this – http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/jp-morgan-chase-ceo-jamie-dimon-lists-chicago-mansion-for-135-million-pays-1705-million-for-house-in-bedford-corners-ny/
And this – http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/goldman-sachs-lloyd-blankfein-closes-on-his-purchase-in-manhattans-15-central-park-west-celebrity-tower-honcho-pays-26m-for-his-unit/
And this – http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/ceo-of-goldman-sachs-lloyd-blankfein-is-buying-old-trees-estate-in-southampton/
And this – http://www.felixsalmon.com/2007/04/blankfeins-41m-hamptons-pad/
I can’t see it any other way either.
I’d also add that their support or opinions don’t fucking matter here. They’re all fired. Nobody likes them. Positive words from politicians are the same things as campaign promises and town hall answers. Nobody holds them accountable, we no longer give a shit what they say.
indeed
agreed
I think most of the organizers @ these demos. understand what role the D party plays in the unholy alliance they have with the other wing of the Property / $$ party in DC and the States. Hopefully, they will stay clear of any attempts at Co-Opting them and their message. if not this whole things will quickly collapse. Nobody trusts either party anymore to actually do anything beyond feathering the nest of their Corp. bosses. Look how in the middle of this whole thing they went ahead and approved of more NAFTA style so called “free trade agreements!” Do these people seriously believe we are going to actually believe anything most of them say anymore? If they do their bigger fools then I already think they are. They’ve all gamed the system and now the game is up!
Wasn’t that amazing?
Lately you can’t swing a dead cat without it hitting Clinton somewhere in the media. Have the powers-that-be decided that “the great communicator” Clinton is the one to put out in front to wave off the 99%? Not that he ever was the spokesman for the 99% of Americans, but once you’re sitting on a personal fortune in excess of $100 million, to say what the 99% percent do or don’t begrudge is whistling past the graveyard, IMHO.
That’s another necessary focus – Specific faces within the Democratic Party that have betrayed the Democratic Party’s covenant with the People.
We’re in this mess because there was silence when Ronald Reagan and Lee Atwater were turning ‘liberal’ into a dirty word. After Reagan left office and diagnosed with Alzheimers, there was none of the usual criticism of a previous administration and its effect on Americans’ futures that we used to engage in out of an abzurd sense of not talking ill of the ill. After Reagan died and we began to comment, it was shut down “out of respect for his widow”. The rules of etiquette that the powers-that-be have impressed on our political culture is positively dissociative.
It is a 266 page report and covers all sorts of different loans that the Fed made pusuant to its authority under the fed reserve act of 1913. The total loans were indeed 16 trillion from 12/31/07 to end of 2010. It appears that only about 1.3 trillion was outstanding at one time. I did not see anything about TARP in there. But it seems it has all been paid back, not sure of any losses but the fed earned 79 billion on the loans in 2010 and gave that to the treas. I did not read the whole thing. so I would be happy for anyone to clear it up for me.They did also make a lot of loans overseas as well. Citbank and Morgan Stanley were the two winners getting a total of around 3.5 trillion, as I recall. But us pesants can eat cake.
Excellent post, Kevin. The Occupy people would be damned fools to let themselves get assimilated by the Democratic Corporate Party. Fortunately, I don’t think they’re damned fools.
The Democratic Party and all their corporate flunkies and functionaries can go screw themselves. Including the fraud in the WH.
I think the concern is legitimate.
So do we have a plan that kicks to the curb partisan Dems with their own counter-agendas that is also balanced? I’ve heard mention of some kind of group mechanism upthread and on Mike Malloy. Anyone have insight to share? I’d like to read up on it.
Cool looks like I got my answer
http://takethesquare.net/2011/07/31/quick-guide-on-group-dynamics-in-peoples-assemblies/
A system so dysfunctional and corrupt doesn’t demand reform it demands revolution.
Thanks, ChePasa
clinton the executioner
dum dum dum dum dum que johny carson music
were going to NY and everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERt8U-NM9EU
Billy The Mountain-FZ A much better iteration of billy
the fed needs to die. bernanke and all officers, redshield hung. In this case the death penalty would be small compensation for the sheer amount of death they have caused, are directly responsible for. War is a monetary investment to them. The impoverishment of billions a line in their books under feasts.
gee I am vicious when cornered.
I try hard to forgive, not there yet heh.
Do any of you know that Russia was ready to come to our aid in the civil war as protection against England and France and their money changers. This battle is thousands of years old.
It’s not only partisan Dems; any professional Democratic politician is loyal and submissive to the party hierarchy. Just as Republicans are. This idea that the Democratic Party is “like herding cats” only applies to the people who vote for Democrats. The professionals do what the party establishment tells them to do. Even the liberals/progressives in the party.
If liberals/progressives in office are needed for some Republican-like legislation, cover will be given them, whether it’s a language reframe of some legislation, or media black-out or misdirection, liberal/progressive politicians are no better than Blue Dogs.
One example is Lynn Woolsey who heads the Progressive Caucus and talks a good game when it comes to ending the wars and a public option. One means of ending the wars are getting them on budget because when that happens, the various congressional committees are required to hold hearings and actually publicly create a foreign policy which would or wouldn’t justify these wars. Democrats ran on putting the wars on budget in 2006 and 2008. They’re still being paid through supplemental appropriations.
Unbeknownst to Woolsey’s constituents (because it wasn’t reported in any of the local media), Woolsey campaigned for war hawk Jane Harman instead of the progressive anti-war candidate Marcy Winograd.
Woolsey led the Progressive Caucus to refuse to vote for any healthcare legislation that didn’t have a public option in it. Then she led the Progressive Caucus to renege on the promise.
Dennis Kucinich’s vote wasn’t needed in order that Obama’s healthcare legislation pass, but Obama needed to crush him and the public option movement. For show.
I think all incumbent Democrats need to go. They’ve been ineffective in achieving the People’s goals.
Electoral politics isn’t working for us, because what’s the use of voting for any of the Wall Street-friendly candidates offered up by the money-centric system in place now? They don’t represent the people.
The 99 Percent Movement is made up of people representing themselves in participatory democracy, and that’s how it ought to be.
obama is a family size bag of injustice.
I know this is crazy but I actually miss shrub every now and then. When he said something stupid it was usually something to remember. obama is just sad.
You’ll get no argument from me there.
Just the other day, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid marshaled 51 votes to overrule the Senate parliamentarian. This proves that the Senate rules can be changed by a simple majority at any time.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65692.html
There is more than one way to skin OWS. Start another war. Don’t put it past the Dems.
I heard so many excuses and outright LIES from congressional staffers during the health care fiasco. This doesn’t surprise me.
Any discussion here on that news?
I thought I was the only one THIS cynical.
Good, thought I was one of few feeling mighty skeptical about him and what seemed to me to be shaping up into ofa2.0
obama is more cynical than any two of us combined
Haven’t seen you here before, but I like the way you think. Hope to see you around more often.
Sad to say, I empathize with that feeling. I could get mad at W, purely and deliciously angry. Obama, I see his face and feel like a sucker. I can handle rage, but I really hate feeling stupid.
Heh. If I was a female, I could take one look at Van Jones and just KNOW that all he wanted to do was fuck me.
Yep, same here.
Let Obama and Dems lie all and BS all they want and let them pretend to be on the side of 99%…They will never stand up to Wall st in any meaningful way so people will see through them as they do now….We all know Van Jones is BS what happened to the People’s Budget? What happened to the Progressive Tour? I doubt if anyone will be fooled as unempolyment will remain high…we will be sill fighting these wars SS Medicare will still be cut…no one will put up with this..The Dems can try a dress up the pig but no one will buy it!
Mr: Gosztola: You are doing a great job covering #OWS, but you need to keep your eye on the ball. The problem is not Dems that want to co-opt and/or neuter the movement. The problem is Wall Street, the guys who bought our government. Everything needs to be about wresting control of our government from these criminals and the Dems could in fact be our useful idiots.
The Dems ARE useful idiots. But they’re not our useful idiots.
Your dance up until now was very nice, but here you make a common misstep.
There are way more than two US parties, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States and there is at least one widely established party that takes no money from corporations and stands for campaign finance reform, peace, and social justice. At the age of 47 I have always voted, but seldom voted Dem, and held my nose when doing so. When I read the 3rd point in the GPUS Platform (@ gp.org/committees/platform/2010/democracy.php#316100), which reads:
I realized that I had always been a die hard Green.
If I were a single issue guy, well let’s just say that is my favorite plank.
Wake up folks, if the Green Party isn’t the party for you to express an electoral voice, well you had better build a better one.
Even so, I would recommend close study of the GPUS as to learn what not to (re)do in building a consensually based legal political party that takes no corporate money.
For starters, occupy (steal) this platform: gp.org/committees/platform/2010/
Government and many elite criminals have merged interests.
Save the reform talk for the criminal elites after they are behind bars.
One word. Nader. Starting in 2000 and in particular 2004 Nader was marginalized not by the right wing but by the democratic party as the cause of their defeats, and not voter suppression, Supreme Court rulings, blue dog voters, etc.
Why? Nader represented a political altnerative to the democratic party for people on the left. He had to be destroyed politically or the party could lose a good portion of its base.
So too with OWS. If OWS keeps growing and if it and if its emerging leadership cannot be co-opted as party hacks, expect democratic party leadership to turn on OWS and attempt to marginalize the movement in the same way it did to Nader. No alternatives are allowed.
Me too. This is the unconscious truth many “believe” but are in denial about. It’s the SYSTEM.
I think the preferred source of fantasy pay for protesters is none other than the legendary George Soros.
Wasn’t it the Community Reinvestment Act passed by Clinton to force banks to give mortgage loans to unqualified, minority borrowers?
We all know righties can’t do history. The CRA was passed in 1977. It was maintained in full effect thoughout the Reagan-Bush years. Even without any blow jobs being involved.
I could be wrong but I suspect there are intelligent and knowledgeable far righties out there that would answer differently than those paid to be or otherwise ignorant. He’s kinda hard to nail down politically, but I’d suggest listening at maxkeiser.com to get a better answer.