Just before midnight, NYPD officers moved in on the southwest corner of Liberty Park, the site of Occupy Wall Street for the past month, to take down and confiscate a medical tent that had been erected during the day. A commotion immediately erupted in this section of the park. Occupiers rushed over and a human chain around the tent was formed. And, Rev. Jesse Jackson suddenly appeared to help the occupiers defend the medical tent from being forcibly removed.
Rev. Jackson told the occupiers, “I am not visiting, I’m participating.” When asked to link arms and help the occupiers defend the tent, he linked arms with them. They stood their ground and were able to convince the NYPD to back down. [Here is video of the human chain. And, here are photos. ]
I suspected a raid of some kind would happen. Last night, around 6:30 pm ET, I watched a suit and an officer, who both appeared to be high-ranking, stand by the sanitation work station and discuss something in the park that needed to be addressed. I couldn’t hear the conversation, but I sensed they were planning something.
The medical tent is the only tent up in the camp. It would seem, given the peaceful nature of the occupation, an agreement could be worked out to keep the tent erected. But, that has not stopped Mayor Michael Bloomberg from lying about Occupy Wall Street by labeling the camp a “tent city.”
“The Constitution doesn’t protect tents,” he said at a news conference in Queens. “It protects speech and assembly.”
The mayor expressed concern that those exercising a “right to be silent” might be getting drowned out amid the din of the protests.
So, in addition to the mendacious lie about the camp being a “tent city,” the mayor is saying people need to be concerned about the New Yorkers, who do not wish to exercise their First Amendment rights? Seems absurd. And, basically, underlying this “concern” is the belief that the elites know best (i.e. Bloomberg, Big Bank CEOs, NYPD Commissioner, etc) and the people, who are not a part of the elite, are out-of-bounds as they vociferously and persistently share their grievances with the media and the public. The people in the park aren’t meant to be taken seriously because they are not a kind of people that should be allowed to make decisions and run the country.
I have been in New York for about a week now (except for the two days when I was traveling to and from Occupy Boston). There is a narrative being constructed by the police and city. The cost of babysitting the occupiers is now millions of dollars. The police and city are going to repeatedly remind New York taxpayers that they are footing the tab for the peaceable assembly in Liberty Park. The occupiers need to expose this and find a creative way to neutralize this attempt to decrease the support New Yorkers have for the protest (currently, around 87% say they should be able to stay if they follow the law).
Firedoglake’s premier live blog continues. I’ll be down at Occupy Wall Street for another day of reporting on whatever happens. I will be conducting more interviews with occupiers and supporters.
Here’s the Twitter list to follow for the latest updates on all things “Occupy.”
FDL LIVESTREAM FROM OCCUPY WALL STREET
OCCUPY WALL STREET LIVESTREAM VIA GLOBAL REVOLUTION
9:11 PM Now, Naomi Wolf arrested. She is being loaded into a police van. Protesters at Skylight Soho event tried to march single file on a stretch of sidewalk in front of Skylight. Wolf attended the event. She came out and joined occupiers. @RDevro is on the scene. I didn’t see him though. I’m back at Liberty Park watching the medical tent because I see white-shirted officers plotting something. They aren’t here right now. There isn’t a police presence. But some kind of plot was hatched moments ago, I think.
8:57 PM The Big Bank musical came over when they saw me live blogging in Liberty Park. I shot a video that will be posted in the next 24 hours (hopefully). It’s fun. No police business. Just great revolutionary culture & spirit—what a movement needs to sustain its energy.
8:34 PM Quick report from Liberty Park: I live streamed the march against police brutality. There were a few great speeches at the end about incidents of police violence. I will post an excerpt on YouTube of a guy arrested in Times Square on October, who stood up and talked about being beat up by NYPD.
After the march, the group marching decided, spontaneously, to go and confront Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York, who just cut the millionaires’ tax in NY. He was at an event on Dominick & Hudson that was about a quarter mile away. The march went over and in about 5-10 minutes police had the group surrounded on the sidewalk. They had motorcycles and a white-shirted officer got on a megaphone to give a warning to leave the sidewalk or they woud be arrested. My phone was dying so I took a quick video and sent out what I was seeing.
Protesters were on their toes and moved so pedestrians could pass. No longer were they blocking the sidewalk. So, they couldn’t really be ordered to dispersed anymore. The press was moved. Lines were drawn where people needed to stand and the police were ordering people around. Then, Naomi Wolf showed up (author of The End of America). She told the protesters they don’t need a permit for a megaphone. She offered to take a question in and try and confront Cuomo. The 99 Percenters were excited to have the opportunity but everything became crazy as they could not agree what to ask him.
From that point on, this action imploded. They found out the event had a sidewalk permit. The event was enforcing that permit. Unless they moved, arrests would happen. The occupiers were agitated and a few didn’t want to move without seeing the permit. Some got angry at an organizer getting information from an NYPD commander. The group was turning on each other and yelling. It was clear everyone was tired. Someone needed to bring this action to an end with some sort of exclamation point and lead everyone back to Liberty Park.
Alas, the action wore on and they compromised. They all moved across the street to protest. The energy was gone. There was no reason for people to still be demonstrating. The point was lost because police motorcycles, police vans and more than 100 police were there babysitting the group.
4:56 PM At Occupy Wall Street, march against NYPD police brutality about to begin. Check the FDL livestream. I will be broadcasting live from the scene.
1:48 PM How banks became too big to fail: Mother Jones charts bank merger history
1:44 PM Occupy Wall Streets month of success: has gone global, flourished with diversity, gained support in the heartland and changed the conversation.
1:42 PM Adbusters calls for October 29 to be a day for a Robin Hood Global March
1:17 PM Al Jazeera English‘s “Inside Story” does panel on Occupy movement. Features FDL friend Dean Baker.
12:46 PM The Guardian covers the push for an investigation into Deputy Inspector Johnny Cardona’s assault on a protester
12:40 PM
Marine Sgt. Shamar Thomas, who confronted NYPD in Times Square on Saturday, appeared on “Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann”:
I’ve been to Iraq twice. I was in a riot in Rubai, Iraq in 2004, where we had rocks thrown at us. After the rocks were thrown, we didn’t go beating up people and arresting people. You know what I mean? We kind of treated it with a level of humility. You know what I mean? And, to have the cop punching a woman in the face, to see that in my own country—You know my family fought for people in this country for people to have a right and these people are peaceful. I haven’t seen a video yet of people trying to hurt the cops or why they are using riot gear when there’s nobody starting a riot…
…There’s a time and place for things. When a situation arises that is when it is time to say, “You know what? The crowd is getting frantic.” When people are just shouting, “We are the 99 percent. Come join us.” These are not chants that incite violence. You know what I mean? The riot police were in form just walking and marching up and down the street like there was a battle going on. I’ve been in battle. There was not a battle going on.
12:36 PM “March Against Police Brutality” at 5 pm ET today in New York City to District Attorney Cy Vance’s office at 1 Hogan Place near Foley Square. Facebook event has further details.
On Friday morning, a senior NYPD officer sucker-punched Felix Rivera-Pitre in an unprovoked attack during an #OccupyWallStreet march. Now the police say they are looking for him and threatening multiple charges to cover up the assault.
Felix is a grassroots leader in the community group VOCAL-NY and has participated in #OWS solidarity actions during the past several weeks, including arriving early on Friday morning at Zuccotti Park to help resist the eviction.
Demand District Attorney Cy Vance hold the NYPD and Deputy Inspector Johnny “Fists” Cardona accountable for violence against Occupy Wall Street
I will be at the scene and intend to broadcast live on the FDL stream.
12:30 PM The Atlantic with 50 high-resolution photos of the Occupy movement.



230 Comments

How ironic that TPTB would deny protesters the ability to provide themselves basic first aid.
they are wasting their time looking for ways to rid themselves of the protesters. They could just go about their business, offering a minimum of police for basic traffic control. I mean, everyone’s gotta cut back right?
First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then:
From Occupy Columbia SC:
Update from October2011 ( http://twitter.com/#!/StopTheMach2011 ; my bold ):
PSA from Punk Patriot: “October 2011: Why I Will Be There“
And OWS does a fine, although seemingly mysterious, job of spreading, garnering support and waking the many from their “walking slumber”. This Fall, apparently is about waking up.
Occupy Durham:
Ray Gronberg, The Herald-Sun: Protesters take complaints to City Council
It’s like healthcare, damn it. Can’t allow that unless they pay exorbitant prices for it.
I really like how Stop The Machine, is this perfect compliment, of brazen civil disobedience in DC.. which is the “head of the beast” so to speak, whilst OWS is engaged in civil disobedience, in the area that could be described as the “belly of the beast”. And then all the other, just as brave occupiers, engage in civil disobedience on a state level. Amazing how it has organically arisen in this way. Thank you, mzchief, for keeping us abreast. Saves us a bit of time, and expands the conversation. And the conversation is spreading… at least in my neck of the woods. Conversations in drug stores, grocery stores, gas stations are popping up. I will confess, I have initiated some, but most I am overhearing. Truly remarkable, INHO.
Regarding the Cardona assault photo: Does anyone else get the feeling that if he were teeing up with a baton, rather than drawn back for a wicked right cross, that it wouldn’t cause nearly as much fainting in the media?
How about this: We are asking the police to fight crime instead of wasting time and resources pepper spraying, beating, and arresting peaceful, orderly protesters.
When the police start arresting banksters for fraud and theft, we wouldn’t be #occupying.
Not to mention this: We are the 99% who pay police to be on the streets. What better purpose than to protect and serve the 99%?
For any interested I have started a Diary of my personal experience with Occupy Raleigh, North Carolina.
http://my.firedoglake.com/gnomedigest/
I think the people of NYC (the majority of whom support OWS) are better served by their police enforcing laws against actual criminals than by providing security for said criminals? Plenty of evidence laws were broken and who broke them.
Hi Kevin,
great job as always. On the cost of the police:
someone posted a link that showed banks actually pay quite a few cops salary and those cops work on bank patrol even though benefits etc are paid by the taxpayers.
these banks have cost the taxpayer trillions in bailouts, loss or underwater homes, and lost jobs. Also how much have we spent on phony regulators and AG’s trying to reach settlements with said banks. How about we reap back the cost of that before we start worrying about a few million
Finally from Reuters
Bank of America Corp. (BAC), hit by a credit downgrade last month, has moved derivatives from its Merrill Lynch unit to a subsidiary flush with insured deposits, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Federal Reserve and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. disagree over the transfers, which are being requested by counterparties, said the people, who asked to remain anonymous because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly. The Fed has signaled that it favors moving the derivatives to give relief to the bank holding company, while the FDIC, which would have to pay off depositors in the event of a bank failure, is objecting, said the people. The bank doesn’t believe regulatory approval is needed, said people with knowledge of its position.
In other words BofA has now with the FED approval backstopped its derivatives with our deposits. When it blows up which it will deposits and the taxpayer will be left holding the bag What is happening here is beyond criminal and is outright in your face theft and it is not just BofA doing it
did not mean to bold entire previous post. sorry
Occupy Wall Street wasn’t what woke people up. It was the debt ceiling debate and the paralysis in Washington. And the realization that this was not a bug but a feature. The Occupy Wall Street movement just gave flexible sociological form to bring the awakened people together.
Thanks for putting this up. Keep it going for as long as you can.
The whole post & thread is bolded for me at the moment… this happened a few days ago in another post, then someone fixed it. Mods?
The whole post & thread is bolded for me at the moment… this happened a few days ago in another post, then someone fixed it. Mods?
(now I’m getting database errors trying to post this comment… “Please try again”)
Edit: Didn’t mean to double post. I just “tried again,” honest.
Dollars to donuts, the counterparties are European banks that got caught in a crack over their success in getting governments to pursue austerity. Just a hunch.
Tangential–
and we have a winner. This is fucking insane the FED has just put the deposits of the US citizens up as a backstop for this toxic shit and when it blows up, we will be wiped out. This is a backdoor bailout and it is done in the hopes the people especially those at OWS etc do not understand/realize what has just happened until it is too late.
I am beyond fucking mad right now. ben and his criminal cartel are in the process of taking every last cent
MoveOn.org – that “reprehensible organization” (Hedges) – using OWS to raise money. Partial text from an email I just received:
The debt ceiling “debate” revolutionized my thinking. Not only were the decisionmakers talking about the wrong issues, the peeps who say they represent me actually suggested cutting Social Security. Republicans didn’t suggest it, Obama did.
Without the debt ceiling crapfest, perhaps people wouldn’t have joined #occupy.
move on is nothing more that a soros funded front for obama and the two party system. I hope OWS keeps them at a safe distance.
just read it and WOW. Thank you. maybe kevin can weave parts of it into his coverage so you get some front page spotlight as it is deserved and needed
Notice a pattern?
From their perspective, they are helping to stabilize Europe’s economies, if what I surmise is true–hint: 24 Italian banks got downgraded today.
Which is why the Occupy Wall Street movement has to be global. It is not so much Wall Street firms per se but the global financial services industry that is one big huge self-serving problem.
Here is an index of the Ron Paul influence in an Occupy Wall Street encampment: the number of signs that have some variation on this:
or
My understanding is the european counter parties demanded more than toxic junk to back stop their risk. So our Lord and master offered up bank deposits which are back stopped by the FDIC, or in other words the tax payer. In reality when it blows not enough money to cover all the toxic risk but they will take every penny they can from us and then some. The FED is a criminal organization and what they are doing right now is by design and they know what will happen and this information will not reach a critical mass of people before they pull the final plug
Kevin just posted this pic of Cenk:
http://twitpic.com/72bnya
Bloomberg warned about tents before this event? Snakes always wag their tails before they strike.
ALICE SPERI, New York Times: ‘No Camping’ Signs Begin to Sprout
Me, too.
Occupy Eugene (Twitter: #OccupyEugene ) videos:
Occupy Eugene (Day 14 of Occupy Wall Street) – Highlights from the First Gathering (Oct. 1, 2011)
Occupy Eugene 10 4 11
Occupy Eugene – First Meeting of the Committees (Oct. 5, 2011)
Occupy Eugene Protest @ Bank Of **merica “Occupy Eugene Protest” on Facebook (Oct. 6, 2011)
LOL.
http://twitter.com/#!/Occupy_DC/status/126398883873042434/photo/1
This article is cute:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/occupy-d-c-counter-protest-to-offer-job-applications-58519/
Egyptian organizers arrive to help OWS:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/egypt-occupy-wall-street/
I just checked the US Conference of Mayors web site to see if they were forming a common view of Occupy Wall Street. It is not on their radar. It seems to be still being handled on a city-by-city basis at the moment.
This was after negotiations with the city.
Krugman:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/opinion/krugman-wall-street-loses-its-immunity.html?_r=1
Coordination prolly going on by telephone and not on websites.
When will Krugman stop doing anything other than whining too little too late.
Bloomberg is concerned about cleanliness. The medical tent helps with that. Medics help with possibly any contagion. Bloomberg seems to be contradicting himself and grasping at straws to throw off peaceful demonstration.
Protesters at OWS should wear a white shirt and dark blue pants. Police would have to wait a split second longer bf starting in.
There you go again. *ducks*
What is the tent for?
Focus on what the tent is for. Medical personnel are bound by patient confidentiality, and patients may need to be protected from the sun or other elements depending on their needs. The tent is for medical purposes, and the city is interfering with medical treatment asking to take it down. But you also have to make that a reality — no videos within the tent, keep people other than patients and medics and patient’s direct contacts out of the tent. Establish a relationship between the tent and city EMS.
The city shouldn’t want such a tent to be taken down.
If it’s on telephone, it is probably limited to the big city boys who have been cracking down.
I think it’s the Criminal court building
Fake third way afraid of a real third way:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/18/dems-against-occupy-wall-street_n_1018145.html
I think a tent is an expression of speech of the Occupy movement in EXACTLY the same way a dollar is an expression of speech of lobbying. Except the tent is honorable and honest.
Old story:
Guy goes to his neighbor to borrow his ax. Neighbor tells him “Sorry, I’m going into town.”
Neighbor walks away about 50 steps, then says to himself, “Wait a minute. If he’s going into town, that would be the perfect time for me to borrow his ax.” He turns around and goes back to talk to his neighbor.
“Wouldn’t that be the perfect time for me to borrow your ax.”
“If you don’t want to lend your ax, most any story will do.”
Yes – this will be fun to watch how it plays out, too:
Wall Street rejects Dem fundraising
Excellent suggestion. What if La Grega ran for mayor, what about a recall in NYC how could that work? Take the Mayor’s office out of the pocket of the 1%.
A fate worse than death!
TarheelDem at# 55–is that a southernism?
My spidey sense is screaming “Kabuki!” there. We’ll see.
…
not sure if this was posted already, but it seems apropos
http://digg.com/news/politics/the_silent_majority
This sounds like DCCC playing it both ways to me. A little feigned outrage from Wall Street, and then business as usual.
Democrats support #occupy! Here’s proof!/snark
Saw that silent majority cartoon earlier, and it struck me as ‘the talking point’ that is a succinct response to the MSM failure to cover the protests.
The cost of babysitting the occupiers is now millions of dollars. The police and city are going to repeatedly remind New York taxpayers that they are footing the tab for the peaceable assembly in Liberty Park. The occupiers need to expose this and find a creative way to neutralize this attempt to decrease the support New Yorkers have for the protest
That from Kevin’s original post. Someone explain to me what these costs are? The presence of hundreds of cops in full riot gear? That cost would be really easy to avoid. Cops for traffic control? Ok, I can buy that, except that the city does it willingly (and for free, no?) for sports events (private and for profit), political rallies, UN events, on and on and on.
Naw. It’s a story.
Oh, that’s good.
Well, gee whiz, all you need to know:
One changed donor is hardly a trend.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I remember Candidate Obama talking all kinds of smack about evil bankers. Same deal with evil insurance companies. (the same insurance companies that would dramatically hike their rates whenever support for the ACA started to get dangerously low.) The FIRE sector apparently loves to play the villain and pretend to be at war with the Democrats.
Babysitting?
Don’t get too belittling. You might reveal your trollness.
I don’t normally reply to posts like yours but maybe you were just being careless? “Babysitting” was part of what I copied from Kevin’s original post. OK? Troll? Good god. How abouit answering the question?
The mighty David Dayen:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/10/18/financial-giants-whining-to-democrats-over-ows-support/
I apologize. I didn’t see this in Kevin’s post and since yours was not in block quotes, I mistakenly interpreted it as your take.
On edit: As to your Q, of course it is hypocrisy to raise those costs that are routinely spent for private events.
Funny how NYC cops always have enough to bring out in full riot gear whenever people are committing peace.
Daniel Massey, Crain’s New York Business: Protesters get personal to embarrass city’s titans
Get the smelling salts!
An eatery run by Danny Meyer
Outside the front entrance to the homes of Jamie Dimon, David Koch, Howard Milstein, Rupert Murdoch, and John Paulson.
Personal emails to bankers reporting how their companies screwed you
Blowing air horns at Gramercy Tavern
At the Union Square Cafe, a protester infiltrated and clicking his glass as if giving a toast began giving a speech criticizing Mr. Meyer’s role on the board of Sotheby’s
Protesting at 820 Fifth Ave., home to many of the associates at Sotheby’s
Leafleting outside the production of The Mountaintop at the Shubert; a board member, Michael Sovern, is also on Sotheby’s board
Yep, real up close and personal, Just like burning in effigy.
YEE-HAW !!
And can’t Jesse’s Rainbow PUSH tell Bloomberg’s pigs to Shove IT?!
LOL. You and Petro beat me to it. What garbage.
So, the wanna be cyber security hack is getting other wanna be cyber security hacks to write articles about him?
http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/informant-says-hacks-threats-followed-release-occupy-wall-street-e-mail-101811
Bank of America paid no Federal Income Tax last year.
The city could easily afford a little extra police overtime if the “corporate people” they’re being ordered to protect weren’t freeloading on the system.
Apparently this is plan B since their little #OpCo-opt was such a big #fail.
Bout time JJJr said something useful.
Has he actually ever done anything useful, except do collection money from PTB?
Tea Party Nation: Call For A Strike of American Small Businesses Against The Movement for Global Socialism
That’ll sure help small business, won’t it? Small business owners, the Kochs and Dick Armey want to bust you further.
It looks like they’re writing themselves fake death threats in an attempt to drama-whore, too:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/Local/article/998617–thomas-ryan-self-appointed-spy-of-occupy-wall-street
It was JJSr who was at Zucotti Park last night. JJJr hasn’t been heard from–Chicago and all that.
Detective Rick Lee, NYPD
Proud veteran at Occupy Boston
Sorry, meant JJSr. Want to know what his REAL accomplishments are.
I just don’t know where to start. But this is my favorite line:
I want to ask them what they see the difference being between marxists, socialists and communists.
Was anyone else unable to resist the temptation to peek in on what Matti Taibbi, Yves Smith, Bill Black, Michael Hudson, etc were talking about?
Don’t expect logic out of a professionally written document by a paid propagandist, based on expensive focus-group testing. TPN, as I remember, are the folks with the big astroturf bucks.
No worry, but thanks.
So to try to answer my own question, to argue that OWS is costing NY millions is not only hypocrisy, it’s bullshit.
If anybody is reading this, I think one way to fight this claim is to point out that if NYC wants to reduce costs all it needs to do is stop fighting OWS every inch of the way. And if people think the costs are high now, wait until the city has to pay for hundreds (thousands?) of jury trials and settle millions of $ worth of lawsuits for police brutality and illegal arrests. NYC (Bloomberg?) is creating a monstrous budgetary problem for all NY’ers.
Let me repeat – the message can be: Bloomberg, by stupidly fighting OWS, is costing NYC multi-millions $.
do you have a link?
Ah, that’s the Koch arm of the tp?
Was there a link to the emails from Taibbi’s article? Wha? I missed it completely.
If you believe that, go buy a NY bridge while you’re at it!
Anyone starting to notice that the PTB keep responding to #occupy with their usual MO, and #occupy is not reacting in a way that the PTB expect? *huge smile*
One other analogy struck me since my last comment. ‘Spose we ask Rudy G/ Mayor Mike what the taxpayer cost was of “protectonating” the R “delegates” in the 04 R convention in NYC. Except for tanks in the streets, it was exactly like Baghdad.
To make a minor pest of myself, I went around to hotels in convention district, dressed in my professional pantsuit, ‘asking’ R delegates to go home bc no one wanted them in Manhattan. Spent 1/2 day at this fruitless exercise, but it was most fun. They got buses across the front door from their hotel, were transported a few blocks, where they walked across the sidewalk into the convention center. Pretty bogus.
My wife just asked if perhaps someone(?) paid Tony Bologna under the table a reimbursement for the pay from his ten lost vacation days. Interesting question.
What were they talking about? Was it a web site or tweets?
They really want OWS to misbehave so that the police can wade in which will show everyone that this is a bunch of hippies who don’t want to work. OWS has been right on target so far but they are soon going to need to step up the pace a bit or people will lose interest. Winter is coming and they won’t have as many people then.
IIRC
Were you around when we were talking about @RobinSage trolling the #takewallstreet hashtag on twitter?
Well, the guy who was doing that is this guy:
http://twitter.com/#!/providesecurity
And he somehow got copies of an email list Taibbi, Smith, Hudson, Black and other people we all think are the “good guys” were on, where they were just talking about OWS. So, the troll gave the emails to Andrew Breibart, who trying to spin it like THEY (Taibbi, etc) started OWS. Also, says “they” are the mainstream media.
You have to go to Breibart’s BigGovernment site to get into the emails. Which, I admit. I looked. Only once, tho! And only for a minute before I started feeling guilty.
Yup, and ask Seattle and LA and Cleveland (if I’m keeping track of this correctly) how much it’s costing them. If those are indeed cities that are trying really hard to work with folks, instead of against them, I bet their costs are way way lower.
Anyway, Kevin asked folks to think about this and I didn’t see any response, so I think it’s good that it’s being discussed.
Most mayors can handle park rules without coordinating. They know what to do. Whatever coordination of police action is occurring is going on through PD channels with DHS, which are continuously delivering good, bad, irrelevant, relevant information on a routine basis–nothing special.
The silence was what I was noting. As far as the Conference is concerned, nothing is happening.
And I think 700 people just purchased that bridge.
They are busy inventing shit to sling. Frantically. Because none of it is sticking yet.
They were just chatting about OWS like we’ve been, but on an email list. Interestingly, with the same consensus and ideas (with Taibbi being the oddball for advocating policy demands.) Exact same stuff they’ve been saying in public.
Scandalous. Saying the same things on an email list that you say in public.
Yeah. My gut feeling is that the libertarian presence is a really good thing in terms of keeping this thing too wild to defeat through normal means.
I know. In a weird way Briebart just helped OWS by proving that Black, Taibbi, etc actually are totally genuine people without any sort of secret agenda.
dude, you are totally forgetting about the constitutional right not to be annoyed by the rabble
of course, this right has limited application (1%, to be exact)
I have not seen any sign of the emails themselves. However, I did read Matt’s article with advice to OWS. It is titled, “Hit them where it hurts”. Also, above in Kevin’s time stamps you can get to that article I believe under the October 29th Robin Hood suggestion. That suggestion just happens to be one that Matt made in his article.
The large(ish) city with the lowest Occupy-related costs is probably Portland, where the city and police have been so accommodating that I wonder if the mayor supports the movement or if he’s decided to fight nonviolence with nonaggression. Without the threat of law enforcement to keep Occupiers on edge, the camp is struggling with apathy and drug/alcohol use instead.
OTOH, the City Commissioner has “estimated” that the occupation has done $19,000 worth of damage to the two parks being occupied. (Sheah, right.) Occupy Portland is kludging together some kind of park restoration fund to be used when and if the occupation leaves as an act of good faith.
On the costs to tax payers, there are many ways to confront that. I’ve already suggested that individual lists be made for the costs in New York by area. I’d like to see the actual breakdown by dollars and man hours that it takes to maintain Zucotti Park, along with the electric to keep those street lamps on. Of course, the city is saving a lot of money this past month because the Mayor ordered them to be shut off at night. I’m not sure if you noticed all the pruned and primped shrubbery in the park, along with thousands of plants and flowers. Do the tax payers know they are on the hook for that in a privately owned park?
Also, I’d like to compare those park costs with the police security, maintenance and traffic control for Wall Street. Oh, and that bronze bull certainly has to have up keep and polishing. Those concrete barriers and little wrap around throne for that bull had to have cost the tax payers a pretty penny or two. Oh, and what about the roof top Helo pads for the richest of the richies that are too damn good to park and walk like other humans? Do the tax payers of New York have to foot special traffic controllers for city scape air traffic?
I perceive this as a 1%er attempt to blunt or derail #Occupy. “Getting a job” doesn’t address the obscene wealth distribution and the system rigged to keep it that way. Even if one can work, that doesn’t mean one has healthcare or can afford food and housing without SNAP and rent assistance. Instead, co-ops for everything! especially in view of the (3) new FTAs. Turns out Oct. 20 is International Credit Union Day. Then there’s the take-your-cheddar$-from-bankstas day of Nov. 5. No point in waiting ’til mañana to do what you can do today.
WORK! Where? (grins) I’ve been looking for almost three years. I’d like to see International Credit Union Day be a big too do around these parts. Maybe we can all write up something about them.
At one time, Bill Egnor and I were discussing a FDL or Progressive owned Credit Union. There are few hoops to jump in order to get it started, but heck there isn’t anything that doesn’t have hoops.
Don’t use the park; it’ll hurt the grass.
I’ve seen coastal cities take that attitude then shell out millions of dollars for replenishing the sand on beaches that have eroded because of their poor planning and zoning practices.
Also, I read earlier today at Right Watch that the crazy repubs/Teahadists are still addressing the business community and Chamber to keep from hiring. They have long been doing this and Rush Limbaugh talked it up about two years ago. They continue to think that not hiring will be the downfall of Obama.
Evidently, they don’t understand that all the world’s eyes are on our Congress to do their jobs and make the economy work.
The way I see protests is this:
The more threatening you are to the PTB, the more forceful they will be in smearing the protesters and ordering the police to use full aggression. If they don’t see you as a threat, they try to polarize the movement/protests so they will be aligned with one party or the other and will just be used for the interests of the 2 parties of the 1% (one supporting, the other opposing it).
I think right now OWS is falling into the latter. Without a little more unpredictability and disruption to the powers that be, they will wait this out indefinitely and public interest will drift away if it seems like the protests are having little effect (except costing them tax money which the PTB will be reminding the public constantly).
I think we’re at or near the peak you’re going to see on the ground protesting as things are going right now. The public is behind the protesters, they just have various reasons they’re not all at the protests or every protest.
From what I have gathered they are working on more than just marching and staying in the park. As a matter of fact, their calendar is filled through to mid December. Heck, I didn’t check it this afternoon, but it may be filled up till next year.
They are having meetings and discussions with all sorts of people and continue to keep it as the PEACEFUL PROTEST.
That is one of the things that really amazes me about the cops with all the vehicles and riot gear. If any of them get too wild and try to riot they quickly stop it or redirect.
Corporate concepts of work are suspect:
The 1%ers have nothing but our enslavement to offer us. But, there are folks that can imagine human life without militarism and corporatism. That is the #OWS public.
COUNTERPUNCH ARTICLE By Pam Martens 10.18.11
NYPD and Goldman Sachs security conducting joint surveillance of OWS
from publically funded facility.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/18/wall-street-firms-spy-on-protestors-in-tax-funded-center/
Taibbi has a new article you have to read:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/why-rush-limbaugh-is-freaking-out-about-occupy-wall-street-20111018
LOL!!!
There’s another factor. As long as you are not immediately threatening and yet are fighting co-option and factions, the movement grows geographically and numerically. It is safe for families to participate. It is safe for the elderly to participate. If that growth also includes method and the availability of a wide range of information through teach-ins, online, etc, it holds together until it is too big to fail.
Pushing the envelope without sufficient people power might produce a tactical gain and a strategic loss.
Just so you know:
An investigative reporter (who isn’t touring the occupations and has time and resources and perhaps access) should be asking if the cost of security for Occupy Wall Street is coming out of money already allocated in the NYPD’s budget or if they have had to dip into funds that normally would not be tapped for security at protests.
From Taibbi’s article:
Corporate Secretary: #OccupyWallStreet moves TO THE BOARDROOM!
The money quote:
h/t digby
OWS is a job creator — for Fay Feeney. Feeney should thank the folks in Zucotti Park.
Kevin,
I am very upset about the group not being able to gather one question or two for Naomi. Sounds like there is a mole in the group that announces to the cops what they will do ahead of time. Oh well. at least it was peaceful.
thanks for that link.
When you make decisions transparently, the cops know it immediately. They probably did not know that Naomi Wolf was likely to join the demonstrators. The irony of it being HuffPo’s GameChangers awards is thick.
Boy-oh does this have a lot of resonance:
Photo of Naomi Wolf getting
arresteddetainedArrgh! Back at the medical tent. Can somebody tell Bloomberg that the Constitution DOES say that people can be secure in their belongings.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/17/capitalism_didn_t_bail_out_wall_street
Do you know what she was “detained” for?
Hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee
She joined the protesters after the event. And then:
The Skylight Soho has a permit, probably for outdoor tables, that prohibits marching(?), other uses(?). She was in violation of it.
Yeah, I saw all that about the email list, and I was vaguely aware that it was the same jerk who was the fake tweeter we mocked here. I *most certainly* did not go to BigGovernment. Ewwwwwww!
But, since you were brave enough, what did you find? (And did you catch anything nasty from contact with the dark side?)
Marxist Revolution! LOL! I bet he has heartburn over that tonight.
Global Livestream has Occupy Orlando on now.
Solitary confinement should be banned in most cases, UN expert says
Thank Goodness! Isn’t his hearing date coming up soon?
OWSt. : AND we need our own Off-Fraudway production of “FAIR”!
Occupy DC
Tarheel,
I can’t run twitter while I have all these other streams open. You see anything from Kevin or anybody about the Medical Tent unease tonight?
Taibbi’s piece is priceless. I love it. Naomi Wolf being detained is only going to further anger the group, and people who have remained on the sidelines will jump in a bit more.
The Governor hiding from the people is such utter bullshit! I wonder who he thinks he works for?
Orlando is answering questions. They just stated that this late tonight they have close to 200 people. Orlando police patient, understanding, and courteous.
I don’t know for sure, but this may be Orlando first on Global livestream.
On a rainy night. That’s four more than Occupy Chicago had at a corresponding point.
From Matt Taibbi, who -right now- is my personal hero.
Orlando Media Team member, Ducky is speaking. Answering why he is there. He answered with many reasons.
Questions coming in about what they will name the park they are in. They are expecting a big storm tonight.
Last post on it was 56 minutes ago.
They were all just saying the exact same things they have been saying in public since the protest began. Just to each other. I only read for a second, though. Even though there was nothing there any of them would care about being public, I felt sleezy for reading what they never intended to be made public.
From the link at comment 131 which everyone should read:
The largest stake holders in this massive surveilance is Goldman Sacs, followed by other Wall Street firms.
Thanks for pulling out the critical quote.
With all that WTF does the NYPD need the extra from the Empire Strikes Back? The mobile cherry-picker style command post.
Photographer across the street from Occupy Raleigh
Yep. The thanks goes to mikesacola for posting the link.
That article pretty much puts the Kaboosh on Bloomie and the Govmater trying to pin tax payer costs on the Protests.
I guess they like playing Wylie E. Coyote or sumpin.
I’m not sure if that’s shocking or expected. Goldman Sachs rules the world, after all.
Ahem. It’s Teh Goldman Sachs.
Hopefully not for long. I wish this and other bankster scaredy cat revelations would be made major news. Haven’t we had a bunch of head thumpers on here saying the elites aren’t moved by the occupation yet?
ROTFL! Too funny.
Beep-beep! Zooooomm.
That’s the whole thing about the PtB. They think that 99% will never catch on. I had my doubts about the Abe Lincoln quote over the past decade, but it sure seems true.
Didn’t you see the bit above. They’re scared they’ll be hanged in effigy. And folks are invading their personal space by chanting to their doorman (well, in fact it was the NYPD who were at the door).
So True! Not to mention that anybody that has any type of savings or 401K is watching it like a hawk. They are rolling in the dough and have been bailed out at taxpayers expense without repayment. If another sweep from them happens and starts to wipe out savings again I think heads will roll.
But above, wasn’t the story that BoA was moving $65T in derivatives from Merrill Lynch to a depository entity whose accounts were insured by FDIC. And essentially getting Uncle Sugar to deal with their counterparties.
I guess that’s what Karl Marx meant by the contradiction at the heart of capitalism.
Yes, I saw it. H. Paulson should be in his storm cellar shivering. I still can’t get over that grin he had when he and Georgie the Lessor announced to America that the banks would get Tarped.
Hi all,
I checked in to OccupyAustin this afternoon at the Plaza in front of City Hall. I met a woman who had come down because she’d heard about the power washing from 2-6am and it made her mad. It was her first time there. She was planning to be there through the night. I told her about the pro bono lawyers in case she got arrested and wrote the number on her arm in indelible ink. Then she asked me to write a big 9 on the back of each of her hands. She’s the 99% – a disabled senior.
A bunch of the OccupyAustin folks came in for a meeting with the Health and Human Services Committee of the City Council to protest fluoridation of our water. There’s a group of us been working on getting the fluoride removed from our water supply.
The woman whom I solicited to teach Non-Violent Communication taught a second class this past Friday evening and has now committed to teaching every Friday evening at 5:00 pm.
And, just to bring things full circle, there was a book I took at the FDL meet-up in Portland, Oregon this summer. One of the ones out on the table that had been sent to FDL for review for the Book Salon. It was called Troublemaker about an activist in the 60′s. I brought it for the OccupyAustin library to have and also brought some other things for the occupation. Unfortunately, they moved the library to base camp a few miles away as a result of the potential destruction from the power washing.
There seemed to a lot of street people today. There was a rolling plastic cart with drawers that contained first aid supplies. And there was a person serving food at a food table.
Today was the first day the weather has cooled off from the 90 degree range. Very windy and about 75.
Another story today said that their proceeds came from the sale of Japanese bank entity. Who knows. Bernanke might have given them another lump of coal, er Tarp or Quantative easing cause America has no systemic risk in the banks.
(snark)
Goldman Sachs reported a loss of over $400 million today. Something is happening around those parts – will be interesting to watch.
I’d guess there were about 60 people there.
Wow! Good Going, GW!
I am planning to go to Occupy Charlotte in the next few days. They have had a good communication line with the police and are keeping it peaceful.
Sure is. Hey, I didn’t think about all that interbanking trade or loaning. Maybe that is how BOA suddenly came out of the red.
Heard something about Goldman Sachs reporting a loss. Cynic that I am, I figger the loss is totally fabricated for propaganda. I don’t know *how* it could be fabricated, but if GS rules the world, they can report whatever they want I assume.
I know very little about how Wall Street works, but I’m quite happy to see the whole mess collapse. Let them eat cake.
What’s this about?
I think Tarheel looked into that and found out it is a false document.
Huh. Not sure what to make of it.
When we first saw it last week a lot of us got excited because it resembled the historical account of the making of America. Since then, several folks have researched and found that there is no such thing as the Demands Committee or something like that at OWS-NY.
I’ve gotten at least three of those from MoveOn and additional solicitations in the name of OWS from New Progressives, Jobs Not Cuts, Restore the Ameridqan Dreamand others. I had never hard of any of those, except for MoveOn.
I agree, piggybacking your fund-raising on OWS, who is actually DOING SOMETHING, is reprehensible.
The Wall Street Journal has a story sometime last week about the OWS demands. Chicago Tribune linked to it. There was no evidence of any general assembly having discussed it. It’s sorta like the coupmedia.com list of demands that Kevin linked to several weeks ago. Coupmedia was the one that was voting one IP address equals one vote. And I vaguely remember it being somehow connected to the “sovereign individual” movement.
Occupy Houston – Camp Tranquility
Hey, protesting in front of those buildings is seriously effective. Their ritzy neighbors and the co-op boards do not, absolutely not, like that kind of attention.
There’s nothing quite like being seen as an undesireable within your class.
Here’s more of the video sequence excerpted and shown in USMC Sgt. Shamar Thomas’ interview with Olbermann:
“1 Marine SGT. vs. 30 NYPD Cops (Marine Wins)“
LOL!
Video: “#OccupyDameStreet 8th Oct 2011”
Still going strong!
In Sacramento ( http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/occupysacto ) :
In Sacramento ( http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/occupysacto ) :
From Sacramento LS ( http://www.livestream.com/occupysacto ) :
Expecting a swift arrest procedure of Sacto.
From Sacramento LS ( http://www.livestream.com/occupysacto ) :
11:16 PM PST & 54 – 61 protesters risking arrest now.
Dude, that is AWESOME!
Watching now…
From Sacramento LS ( http://www.livestream.com/occupysacto ) :
8 occupiers sitting are subject to arrest; the rest are walking on the sidewalk as per Sacramento ordinances. MSM folks on-site are Fox 40, Spanish Channel, Channel 19. First order to disperse at 11:24 PM PST.
Sacramento LS down.
From Sacramento LS ( http://www.livestream.com/occupysacto ; 2nd live stream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupysacto-1 ) :
Navy Vet risking arrest.
Apparently it takes almost 30 cop cars and a paddy wagon to arrest 9 people who have the audacity to assemble sitting down on a public sidewalk at night.
From Sacramento LS ( http://www.livestream.com/occupysacto ; 2nd live stream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupysacto-1 ) :
+1,100 viewers across live streams. Russell, the gentleman in the power wheel chair, appears to be getting arrested.
Yep, police blocked off the park. Russell was with the officers. This is his 2nd protest and apparently they police released him because they didn’t have a vehicle that could legally lift and carry him.
The right is amusing. They get the vapors over the idea that the left side of a debate launching a coordinated effort because they see it as a real threat to their franchise operation with groups like ALEC and the Koch brothers. They’re hypocrites of the first order.
Every time I wake up in the middle of the night, some #occupy camp is getting raided. Sad.
Police presence reported in Santa Rosa #occupy tonight too. What a F’ing joke to waste resources on that.
David Forbes,Mountain Express: Occupy Asheville protesters pick up litter, wipe windows at Merrill-Lynch building, 4 arrested
Occupy Raleigh – 2am
Janie Campbell, NBC Miami: Occupy Fort Lauderdale Booted From Second Park in Two Days
Cheers for Occupy Huntsville AL’s first action.
Nick Banaszak, WHNT News: Brooks Addresses “Occupy” Disruption At Town Hall
If’n the Congresscritter doesn’t want to answer the question, they take away your mic. And some folks consider that “ugly” tactics.
I can “bet money” that the risk analyst who wrote those words knows nothing about historical trends in peaceful, passive resistance protests. Nothing.
Where they are scrambling to protect their corps is in the halls of Congress. They know that justice means financial regulation. Regulation means profit loss in the corp mindset. Unfortunately (for corps but they will not admit it), regulations do not mean dollar loss.
Not to mention they are worried about taxes.
What a crock full security alert.
And I might add, many corps do high layoffs in Dec. They will pin the layoffs “somehow” on OWS and not on the financial market instability. Sorry corps, you had your layoff lists going long before OWS. Do not even try to spin that crap into the airwaves.
My guess was that the risk analyst was marketing their skills to corps that might be scared, and had little expertise but saw an emerging market. Just like “security consultant” Tim Ryan.
The guys in the blue shirts know that Occupy Wall Street is trying to save their jobs. The guys in the white shirts are caught in the middle — thus the anger. The guys in the suits will be pressing the case you describe.
Occcupy Columbia SC – Sleeping on the State House steps
From #OccupySurrey :
Well, Rice apparently will appear at Portland State University today according to this posting:
Sure wish I could be there for that one. I’d be all over her like white on.
The Canadian Centre for International Justice (CCIJA.CA) has issued a press release today:
The Vancouver Observer has printed the article today, “Lawyers press for Bush arrest, as #Occupy activists set to converge in Surrey” (Oct. 19, 2011) which includes this:
Photo: Police push a demonstrator as they escort speech-goers to hear former U.S. vice-president Dick Cheney on September 26. Photo by David P Ball
Obama’s Chance to Kiss Wall Street Goodbye Is Now
The Return of Aaron Barr: Victim of Embarrassing Hacking Now Cybersecurity Chief at Large Federal Contractor
Thx!– Twitter-ified.
More re http://twitter.com/#!/OccupySurrey :
Brigette DePape will be joining the Surrey protest …
Occupy Toronto Day 3: Brigette DePape Speaks to Toronto Labour Rally, “We are getting Mobilized”
This is not going away, W.
From “Amnesty International to kick off George W. Bush protest at Occupy Vancouver” (October 19, 2011):