For about a week, I was in New York City reporting on Occupy Wall Street. I was there taking in the energy and spirit of the occupation and really getting a feel for how powerful it has become. The occupiers have transformed the park right in the heart of New York City’s financial district into an anti-corporate, utopian oasis that criticizes and taunts bank executives, corporate managers and the richest 1% twenty four hours a day. And, they have also gained the strength to win standoffs against the city, the NYPD and the property owner of the park.
I left Occupy Wall Street on Tuesday night and traveled back to Chicago, where I am currently based, on Wednesday. I will be missing what will likely be a great act of civil disobedience in Harlem this Friday afternoon, as Dr. Cornel West, Carl Dix and a number of ministers, professors and activists will engage in an action at the NYPD’s 28th Precinct to call for an end to “stop and frisks.” But, after the October 15 Global Day of Action, I realized it was time to move on.
Occupy Wall Street is a healthy and robust occupation right now. It is swarming with media, so much media that occupiers are likely growing tired of interviews (which means the best reporting is coming from people who just sit there and observe the occupation). Each and every day there is some kind of an action that pulls into focus how poor, working class and middle class Americans are being made to shoulder the burdens of society while corporations and the richest 1% receive tax breaks, bailouts and enjoy increased influence over government. During the night when the occupation is most vulnerable to raids or a forced dispersal, the camp is at peace because the occupation has largely won this struggle. And, if anything were to happen, independent media producers and individuals with their iPhones and cameras would instantly be streaming live from the scene so people could see whatever standoff, showdown or violence was unfolding.
Nearly a half million dollars has been raised to support the occupation so far. Occupy Wall Street could eventually purchase storefront property in the Financial District to help keep the action going through the winter.
That cannot be said for the majority of other occupations in the United States. Here are some of the other occupations in the country that are ongoing and deserve much more coverage: Atlanta, Austin, Columbia SC, Dallas, Denver, Gainesville FL, Houston, Kansas City, Louisville, McAllen, Memphis, Orlando, Raleigh, Sacramento, Savannah, Sacramento, Tampa. They have much more difficulty raising funds to feed occupiers and keep the camp supplied. They also have a much smaller number of people helping to sustain the occupation. There is no reason why each of these should not be as successful as Occupy Wall Street and they should grow into robust occupations just like Occupy Wall Street.
This is why I will be forming a schedule for a tour of occupations that are ongoing. I will be visiting these occupations over the next couple of weeks. I have already seen Occupy DC, Occupy Philly, Occupy Boston and Occupy Chicago. I will be doing more coverage of Occupy Chicago this weekend before hitting the road again.
What occupations should I stop at as Firedoglake’s tour of the occupations presses on?
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6:30 PM Stream of Occupy Melbourne being evicted:
12:04 AM Occupy Oakland being evicted – here’s the notice they were just handed (via @OccupyOakland)

11:28 PM So, Occupy Cincinnati was not in danger of being evicted tonight? Or are the police just lurking somewhere and waiting until 2 or 3 am to move in on the occupiers?
11:21 PM Occupy Healthy Twitter account provides health tips for occupiers, like this recent tip: “Reduce likelihood of unwanted outcomes. Clarify your limits, set boundaries, stick to them, discuss w/friends. Take breaks.”
11:02 PM Russell Brand’s perspective on Occupy Wall Street is better and more representative of the true spirit of Occupy Wall Street than any media commentary thus far. There is a reason why, but I won’t say why yet. I encourage readers of this blog to discuss this perspective versus the perspectives of the various pundits.
11:00 PM I made this Chirpstory to document the Community Board hearing. I think the meeting was critical to the occupation continuing,
8:32 PM Josh Harkinson of Mother Jones reports from Community Board 1 meeting. At Manhattan Community Board meeting, President Scott Stringer says the board will continue to support OWS. He notes tensions have risen between board and residents. Council says OWS has not enforced its good neighbor policy, which aims to ensure there are quiet hours in park. OWS drummers says that they are willing to agree to only 4 hours of drumming a day even though CB1 wants it to be 2 hours. OWS representative explains a code of conduct is being worked out.
Harkinson reports that OWS is looking at getting porta-potties and off-site location to store them. A council member lists the following: “1) limit drums 2) arrange for toilets 3) enforce prior agreements 4) work with business 5) get barricades removed.” Actually, barricades are a huge issue with local residents saying they are tired of barricades and helicopters. A 71-year old resident says the only time he hasn’t felt safe was when he was shoved by police. Some residents say, “Let’s stop panicking and open up the streets again.”
A community board member floats the idea of passing a resolution in support of OWS to go along with demands for OWS.
CB1 has supported Occupy Wall Street and, despite complaints from residents over mostly the loud drumming, they have continued to support OWS. But, they have become increasingly stern about the need for Occupy Wall Street to restrict the amount of drumming in Liberty Park. So, from the hearing, many of the complaints from residents who are speaking against Occupy Wall Street have to do with drumming.
7:36 PM Hearing on Spectra gas pipeline happening. Occupy Wall Street participants expected to stage die-in. Actor Mark Ruffalo is present and expected to be part of die-in.
Ryan Devereaux posts updates:


Lucy Kafanov, who has been covering OWS has a short video of occupiers disrupting the meeting (but they had not engaged in die-in yet).
6:25 PM Looking for attention? Show up with a sign that says “I Am the 1%”
5:38 PM Photos of Occupy Minnesota arrests today at a US Bank branch in Minneapolis
5:36 PM

5:14 PM Occupy Melbourne (Australia) has put out a press release on a possible eviction at 9 am. According to the Occupy Melbourne account on Twitter, a police presence is growing around the camp.
4:58 PM In case you missed it: Real Estate Board of New York is working to establish universal rules for privately-owned parks that would prohibit any future Occupy Wall Street-style protests. Rules would also include “automatic right to close all spaces at night.” [Cynthia Kouril blogs about this over at myFDL.]
4:38 PM CEOs who became job killers – a slide show
4:30 PM Occupy Louisville is apparently having their permit threatened.
3:33 PM Undercover NYPD infiltration into the Citibank direct action, where people were arrested for closing their accounts last Saturday.
2:43 PM Firsthand account from a Sacramento occupier who was arrested in Cesar Chavez Park on October 15.
2:32 PM NYCLU issues a statement demanding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly protect Occupy Wall Street protesters’ rights and discipline officers who engage in violence. They also urge the city to allow tents:
…We recognize and appreciate the Department efforts to allow the protesters to remain in Zuccotti Park. Consistent with the views expressed by Mayor Bloomberg, we encourage you to continue to facilitate peaceful use of the park. Specifically, as the weather turns colder and the protest continues, the Department must allow the use of tents, which will be essential to protect protesters. Any effort by the Department to move against those using tentswould seriously undermine the protest and endanger the protesters. We also call on the Department to reverse the recent decision to deny a request to place portable toilets near the site.
Also, NYCLU developing “Know Your Rights” guide specifically geared toward Occupy Wall Street.
2:14 PM
My interview with the Plutocracy Files. It’s a lengthy conversation and was recorded October 16, right after the action in Times Square. The interview opens with full account of the October 15 Day of Action in New York and then gets into wider issues related to the “Occupy” movement. I give a shout out to Lisa Derrick for her work covering Occupy LA. I also talk about what I would like to see members here at FDL do to help the “Occupy” movement continue to grow.
1:00 PM Looks like Occupy MN may be relocating.
12:49 PM Given the fact that NYPD has committed some significant acts of police violence, it is surprising that there has been no documented incidents where officers used a taser on an occupier or protester. NYCLU has just published a report on the use of tasers in the state of New York. It finds, not surprisingly, they are often misused.
12:38 PM Someone is putting out demands and claiming to speak for Occupy Wall Street. As far as I can tell, the General Assembly has not passed any demands. Then, there is this set of demands, which is said to be coming from the Demands Working Group. If from a working group though, it would not be official yet at all. I don’t know if the Demands Working Group understands it is gaming the General Assembly by publishing demands before a consensus is reached on this proposal.
12:34 PM New Tumblr website up - Occupy Wall Street Care Packages – shares letters from supporters, which include details on care packages or supplies sent to Occupy Wall Street. An example:

12:30 PM At 10 am, Liberty Park was reorganized. The occupation wanted to make space for a planned family sleepover.



182 Comments

I think there’s a good argument that provocateurs are out in force in Greece as yesterday’s demonstration turned into a street battle between communists and anarchists. Very odd. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/greek-debt-unrest-1309284105-slideshow/police-officer-tries-avoid-petrol-bomb-athens-photo-135839741.html
That doesn’t mean everyone who throws a rock at the police is one, just I’m guessing those who pushed for the confrontation and kept it active perhaps were. It’s a distraction and only hurts people fighting against their government that is under the control of the financial elite.
You are welcome in Memphis anytime, Kevin!
I believe you and the FDL-ers will like what you see: Spirit, diversity, comraderie, ingenuity, heart, grace under pressure, perseverance, soul… pretty mild weather, too (for the most part).
[Have you ever been here before?]
Never been to Memphis. I think Memphis deserves a slot on my tour. I’d spend a day with the Memphis occupiers.
Yes, Memphis!
Yeah, the Memphis camp is awesome!
You need to get to some places where there is likely a higher proportion of Ron Paul supporters involved.
And places that are in the early phases and struggling. Having streaming from one of those could enable them to move to being able to stream themselves.
And on reflection, coverage of Denver might be worthwhile.
It was 23 last night. Standing on a sidewalk in the rain all night is grueling.
Heather Digby Parton, Al Jazeera op ed: Tea Partiers: The self-hating 99 per cent
I’d really like some data on what % of the Occupy activists are Ron Paul people. Over at the Ron Paul forum a while back they decided to not mention Ron Paul when they participated (afraid it would hurt him as a repub candidate) but they might have changed their mind in light of the overwhelming popularity of OWS.
Me too. I suspect they are a substantial part of some Texas Occupy events and not insignificant elsewhere. If Occupy Appleton (WI) ever got off the ground, it likely contains some Ron Paul supporters; they were showing a Ron Paul rally from the Occupy Appleton Facebook page.
Kevin, don’t forget the West Coast. Haven’t seen anything from the SF or Sacramento OWS in a few days.
Concerned about them.
Nice protest in MN:
http://www.livestream.com/occupymn
Occupy Greensboro
A video of the nonviolence training course in Memphis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Z1EOPNlL0&feature=player_embedded
The civil rights activists had much more hard core training. They beat the crap out of each other and stuff.
Very interesting to watch. Wish I could hear what they were saying to each other. Thanks.
In case folks don’t already know this:
Please come to the meeting tonight or send our messages or write about people comingto the meeting of the combined Quality of Life and Financial Distirct subcommittee
Real Estate Board of New York asking the city to prohibit Occupy Wall Street-style use of public space
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/opinion/zuccotti-park-and-the-private-plaza-problem.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
In fact, the Real Estate Board of New York is reportedly preparing to ask the city to endorse universally applicable rules prohibiting future Occupy Wall Street-style use of public space, along with the automatic right to close all spaces at night.
REBNY is the 1%: http://www.rebny.com/about_who_belongs.jsp
The Board’s ranks consist of 12,000 owners, builders, brokers, managers, banks, insurance companies, pension funds, real estate investment trusts, utilities, attorneys, architects, marketing professionals and many other individuals and institutions involved in New York realty.
0/20 Combined Quality of Life and Financial District Committees – 6:00 PM
Location: New York State Assembly Hearing Room
250 Broadway, 19th Floor
1) Occupy Wall Street protest in Zuccotti Park – Discussion and possible resolution
*Please note change of location
OccupyMN doing a march to US Bank Plaza to protest 25,000! foreclosures in Minnesota last year! Demanding a moratorium on foreclosures. If Attorney General Lori Swanson was serious in her rejection of the Bank Fraud settlement, now is the time for her to take action!
http://www.occupymn.org/2011/10/18/occupy-mn-to-take-action-against-foreclosures/
We’d love to see you in Austin, Kevin.
Great food, cool people, great atmosphere. And the chief of police is on our side.
I’d love to see Occupy Austin. As I work on plans for a tour, I will see if I can get to this occupation.
I saw that this guy in a wheelchair was arrested again in Sacramento (along with others). Looking for more details so I can post an update in the blog.
News from MoveOn is that the people who were arrested in Sacramento have been denied access to Caesar Chavez Park for life. This travesty needs to be exposed big time.
I hope they sue. This is outrageous.
Occupy Fort Wayne is still going strong, with about 25-50 committed people occupying Headwaters Park at all times. We received permission from the city to set up fireproof tarps to help shield occupiers from the wind, and have been given permission to use electric burners and crock pots after we were told to remove propane tanks from the park pavillion. There are also roughly 10 tents for occupiers to sleep in. Our march on Saturday, the 15th, drew about 250-300 protesters, which was the figure reported by the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette. We’re hoping for a bigger turnout this next Saturday, the 22nd, at noon. This level of participation was unexpected, considering how mainstream conservative NE Indiana is.
http://occupyfortwayne.org/
We have lots of passion in this bunch here at OccupyHouston. Small-ish but growing. Would love to have you visit with us, Kevin. Oh and… we got plenty of Ron Paul folks round here too! lol.
But hey, no snow!
September 17, 2011: Wall $treet – A Way which will dwell In INFAMY!
That may be an old report from weeks ago.
The first to be arrested there were supposed to be banned, but within a day or so it was lifted as lawyers got involved and told the city it couldn’t stick.
Hi Kevin,
If you happen to stop by Philly or DC you should drop by Baltimore too. They’ve been setup for the past 2 weeks or so and could use some of your excellent coverage.
http://www.occupybmore.org/
It was from earlier, but they will be going to court over it around October 26.
Whatever the timing, it’s outrageous.
The thought of arresting protesters at CAESAR CHAVEZ PARK still really rankles my ass.
If they’re going to arrest protesters there, they should rename it. Maybe call it the George W Bush park.
And now for asking for a tip from somebody who has been to an occupy or protest…
I’m considering buying a big stencil set to make signs when the day comes for me (I have about 0% artistic ability) and was wondering about what a good size for letters on signs is?
4 inches high? 6 inches high? Figure signs about the size of half a pizza box or maybe a whole pizza box flattened out in a rectangle…
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Cynthia,
You gotta tweet that and plaster it on every site you can!
I took a ruler and drew a grid on a 30″x22″ poster board for my sign. Used 5″ letters for the top two lines and 7″ for the bottom line. So it says
We Are
The
99%
Used the same formula on the back for
We Told
You To
Expect Us
With the poster board length-ways so it’s 30″ long and 22″ high this worked out to a 1.5 inch margin on top and a one inch margin between each line with a 1.5 inch margin at the bottom.
I got a little obsessive with is *sheepish grin*
Kevin,
As much as I would love to have you in my area, either Charlotte, NC or Columbia, SC, the middle of the country and the West need attention too.
If more of a spotlight could be placed on fly over country and the West coast then maybe the media would follow along. Right now they seem only focused on New York and the East Coast. I would love to have you SCOOP them again on this. You really put them to shame!
Occupy Raleigh – WWII Veterans for Integrity
The gentleman is 89 years old and sports a Reagan cap.
LA, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle would all be excellent.
A trip to San Francisco could also mean a trip to UC Berkley to cover the action there.
Would you happen to have a link?
Wow, another WWII Vet, but Reagan/// (eyes rolling)
I am in awe of the WWII Vets. Got one in my family.
He says he fought against these same things and a Occupation of all lands by force.
The man with cerebral palsy in the wheelchair that keeps getting arrested in Sacramento is named Russell. He has been arrested 3 times already. The cops process him at the park because the paddy wagons are not wheelchair accessible. So, the last two times he has been arrested they march to the jail after they release him and the sit out front and demand that he be taken into custody. They could and should treat everyone arrested at the park exactly the same… process them at the park and release them. How much money would that save the city? Not to mention that the jail is only a couple blocks from the park so they could just walk the pepole arrested over to the jail.
They have been sending out 20+ cop cars, 60 cops in full riot gear, 2 paddy wagons, csi units, to arrest only a handfull of protesters every night at the park. In one of the worst hit cities during the recession this has become amonumental waste of taxpayer money.
Also, a couple days ago there was an incident where a dog was leashed to a table and the owner walked off to get something. A police officer went over and tried to look in the dog owner’s tent and the dog defending it’s owner’s property bit the officer. Then at the city council meeting on Tuesday a council member, Angelique Ashby, used the dog part as proof that the occupation in the park IS NOT non violent. It was ridiculous. Go HERE and give her a pice of your mind. She also said that her number one concern is for a levy and has nothing to do with helping the occupiers or helping out with their problems.
Also, if you want to help us out by contacting the mayor call this number. Thanks 916-264-5011
Thanks. I will keep this in mind. I may even try to contact an organizer and do some coverage even if I am not there. I think it would be good to do an interview with a Baltimore occupier.
It just so happens I will be touring the Midwest over the next two weeks, probably. Still working out the details though…
Via Occupy Louisville tweet:
No problem with Ron Paul folks. I think it would be great to record a debate or discussion with some of them. Without them, a number of the occupations would be much smaller.
Beat me to it.
Most likely a guy who understands that Reagan would be considered a Marxist-Socialist-Fascist by today’s Republican Party.
Obama’s not listening.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-has-more-cash-from-financial-sector-than-gop-hopefuls-combined-data-show/2011/10/18/gIQAX4rAyL_story.html?hpid=z1
Kevin, come to the West Coast and Occupy Portland!
What is Jerry Brown’s response to the police violence in Sacramento? I live in CA, but I haven’t heard anything from our Governor. Anybody?
crickets is all we get from the Governor’s office whenever we contact them. They are hiding behind the local no camping ordinances.
No different from any other politician who wants to get re-elected in the post-Citizens-United era. The problem is systemic.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey :
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush :
It really is insanity the way they are wasting money and resources over Peaceful Protests. However, the Terra plans and alerts have them practicing even stupider things. The FBI is really getting into the game with their lone wolf and homegrown stings. I laugh, but then shake my head at how pitiful it is.
LOL! You know, I would never have thought of it that way but you are right.
This is really sorting out politicians in a strange way. In Columbia SC, the mayor is Steve Benjamin, a black Democrat and the Governor is Nikki Haley, a “momma grizzly” Tea Party Republican. Night before last the occupiers slept on the portico of the State House unmolested. Compare with the events in Denver CO.
There is definitely some political weirdness and realignment going on.
PORTLAND PORTLAND PORTLAND!!
From 10,000 marchers on Day One to the 600 now occupying Chapman and Landsdowne parks, Occupy Portland has been a huge success. The main appeal to me is the way the city government and police have really worked cooperatively with the protestors. To my knowledge only 8 civil disturbance arrests have been made, all in one morning to clear the street between the parks, a major bus line and car through-way to downtown. The vast majority (apparently 80%+) voted to clear the street, but as they say it’s a free country (or was). The mayor has been very hands on but with a light touch, saying they’ll take things day by day–meaning the camp may stay indefinitely! Three of the four remaining councillors have also visited, with two cautiously supportive in principle but seeking an endgame, while the other has declared his full support an “sees no compulsion to have them leave.” The Parks commissioner is worried about damage to the park, but officials are also working with campers to mitigate that problem.
The camp has set up well organizationally, with regular genassy, classes, a library, sanitation, etc.
I made a nice #OccupyWallst. teeshirt using the pic of the ballet dancer standing on the Bronze Bull on the back and on the front it says in big red letters WE ARE THE 99%! Came out nice. My postman asked where I got it and said he’d order ten if i get them. he wanted to give them to friends and family. I told him it was a one only I made myself.
They’re right wing anarchists and I can’t abide his anti-choice stance.
KrisAinTx has plenty and proceeds go to the Occupy Movement. Get the Link and give it to the Mailman.
Fair enough. I’m still going to treat them like people.
I think they are all just trying to a find a way to jump on the bandwagon while at the same time not upsetting their corporate/wall street donors
Go Vancouver Occupy!
Arrest boy Bush for your neighbors to the south!
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush :
“Bush critics rally at Occupy Vancouver site before joining Surrey demonstration” (Georgia Straight, Oct. 20, 2011)
Sadly sounds completely plausible in this day & age.
Might not have been govt. agents though… might have been “security contractors” or even some type of right-wing fishing expedition.
However, I am surprised that anyone openly distributing what a lot of folks might consider “subversive materials” would keep contact records without any type of security or encryption.
Did they really somehow actually think this was still a free country?
(PS: They do have a website & PO box to mail donated books to, should the collection never be returned.)
Come Tweet that on one of these three convenient locations:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey
http://twitter.com/#%21/StopWarCa
http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush
They are not going to be able to jump on the bandwagon. The best they can do is call off the federal dogs and put whatever influence on Democratic governors and mayors they can to eliminate this permit ordinance silliness.
The 2012 election is irrelevant until the impacts of the Occupy Wall Street movement moves through their process.
There is absolutely no way to do political calculations over against the Occupy Wall Street movement. It’s something that folks who think in partisan or ideological terms are missing.
Cynthia @ 17
Someone should live-blog that meeting.
I respect your feelings about Ron Paul and agree that he’s totally off the charts of social issues.
However…the plutocracy depends on keeping people polarized against each other even when so many peeps agree that a corrupt, incestuous relationship has flourished between government and corporations.
We really ought to be able to work together to rout the corruption and install a legitimate democracy to make decisions on policy.
Keith Boykin, HuffPo: Everything The Media Told You About Occupy Wall Street Is Wrong
The money quote:
Lisa Simeone, a member of the steering committee in the DC Oct. 11 march, has been fired from a local NPR station for being “unethical” (political.)
All the more reason to find out what has attracted them to the Occupy Wall Street movement. My two hypotheses, which need to be confirmed: (1) Ending the Fed, and (2) Co-opting the movement for a third party candidacy.
Lisa Simeone was not unethical. Mara Liasson is unethical.
For our nation to follow the rule of law and to expect the rule of law is one thing I would ask for if I had any influence in OWS. Just watched AP video of ‘President Obama Addresses Death of Libyan Leader (VIDEO)’ Wow… Obama mentioned ‘the death of’ Gadhafi. Obama seemed to say, well, this is a normal and possible outcome of people revolting. Ummm…I hope not. Still think trials are better than mob killings. Too much informatin is lost this way. And, Obama said, ‘the death of.’ Wouldn’t it have been ‘the execution or murder of?’ No matter how horrendous the dictator, why not apprehend, have trials, have verdict then do the sentence? It would be good to learn why and how maniacs develop. May be good to know where all is burued. Maybe catch things sooner. (And, no trial in NYC yet.) All the ‘sudden’ deaths leave many, many, many unanswered questions. Think those in power prefer nebulous BS. It is easier to hide behind and always leaves a bit of doubt no matter the argument.
Looks like the Occupy Vancouver live stream is up.
Did I need a snark tag?
NYPD arresting people for closing bank accounts? WTF?!? Seriously? Oh. Hullo, everyone.
Nope. I just finished the thought without being snarky.
I think he hears quite well. He listens to the people who did nothing “illegal”.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey :
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush :
Hmm. I’m not nearly as suspicious of them as you are.
I’m no more suspicious of them than any other political or ideological partisans. The ones who are flexible enough will engage in the process. The true believers will find it frustrating. Just the same as Tea Party or Democrats or repentant Republicans. Or socialists or Marxists or anarchists or whatever.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey :
Regarding Obama’s speech mentioned at #74– if you substitute ’1%’ or ‘American police or corporate state’ for some of what Obama had to say about Gadhafi and his regime, it sounds a little like American 99% deja vu all over again.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush (my bold) :
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Bush *actually* got arrested? Imagine for a moment how the world might change as a result…
You can’t imagine how much I wish somebody would!
See @ 29.
I don’t want to ascribe all of Ron Paul’s views to all Ron Paul supporters. I don’t know that all Ron Paul supporters support him cause they are anti-choice. Most Ron Paul supporters use “End the Fed” signs and anti-intervention signs to promote Paul.
It would be nice if OWS protesters everywhere could earn some continuing education units (CEU) credits in peaceful demonstration, government planning or civil disobedience. The GAs serve as sessions or speaker venues. Perhaps a NYC university could sanction OWS or arrange the CEUs.
Costas Douzinas op ed, The Guardian: Greece’s lines now are clear
There’s only one need for getting education credits, and that’s for some institution’s certification of some sort of expertise before hiring. Bear that in mind.
SWAG in Memphis around 5%.
Yeah, there may be a number of them who like elements of Ron Paul’s philosophy but object to his ideas on social issues. I’m not into Ron Paul enough to investigate.
Anyway, the anti-choice stuff is so fringe that it would never become law in a democracy that reflects public opinion uncorrupted by money and special interests. Those views are only really dangerous when they have the backing of money-wielding entities in a corrupted democracy.
People often need so many CEUs per 2, 3, or 5 year periods for updating credentials. Also for continuing education. CEUs are really not used for expertise–at least in Ohio.
Yes Bush should be arrested, but so should his war criminal successor Obama for murdering civilians in Drone Strikes and the war against Afghanistan, assassinating American citizens abroad, and extending the illegal detention of people abducted in the war on terror. I hope blind partisan democrats wouldn’t be allowed to use The Occupy protests to hold only one party, only one politician responsible for their actions. It’s the system, it’s both parties, it’s all of them, not just Bush.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23ArrestBush :
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey :
Tarheel at #93– you were quick to poo poo an idea of another. That seems silly given the spirit here. Any idea to add to OWS or to the people there in a positive way should be a good thing to consider. The only other person I’ve ever heard say “bear that in mind” was a GOPer. Why be patriarchal?
That was my point. What credentials would be helped by getting CEUs for activities involving Occupy Wall Street?
My bigger point is the whole credentialing system is full of picky little bits of nonsense like the park ordinances that are being invoked to evict Occupy Wall Street encampments.
Sorry for the tone that you heard. It was not intended to be patronizing. I would be curious to see how a general assembly handled your proposal, now that you’ve pushed back.
From http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupysurrey :
From http://twitter.com/#!/TheSurreyNow :
We are at the “Then They Fight You” stage. More trolls on Twitter and the Occupy Vancouver live stream had an incident last night during Tom Morello’s free concert s.t. racist messages appeared on the text marquee. This situation lasted for more than 15 minutes as LS operators went looking through account accesses, etc.
Tom Clements is live from Occupy Columbia SC livestream talking about organizing in conservative states.
His starting point is big government is protecting utilities.
He’s a Friends of the Earth organizer.
It’s a general assembly teach-in.
heel–OWS is demonstrating some of the best organizational, adaptive, inclusion-oriented, survival, and group problem-solving skills that I have seen in a very long time. All of this could be transferred to many, many jobs. All the people across the country occupying at the Occupy places are remarkable.
Agreed.
Recommended: Greece’s lines are now clear
Quotes:
I agree with that. And it gets propagated by people participating in general assemblies in their own communities. Participation is its own reward.
Ha!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=100997&l=1544fe6e81&id=120049568097919&media_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F301627_129940670442142_120049568097919_100997_1043721138_n.jpg
Oh, wow.
Video of another Citibank action in DC.
That’s awesome!
LOL!
“Stay Occupied, my friends…”
What I find interesting is that journalists and observers seem to have left behind the language of despair when covering these events. It seems that the idea of looking forward to something new, better has infected the zeitgeist.
LS- Columbia SC
Tom Clements had a letter from a lady from Greer SC protesting a utility rate increase. It is dated 10/12 and talks about the 1%.
The guardian is kind of a subversive publication, really. You’re not going to see that in the BBC, I bet.
Killjoy. (Just teasing.)
LS-Columbia SC
Tom Clements is talking about how the ARRA (Recovery Act) was administered the DOE for cleanup of “the bomb plant” near Augusta GA. Two defense contractors received $1.4 billion to clean up the plant. It was a cost-plus contract with the plus being 20%. The companies got $280 million off the top as profit.
Great gallery from arrests at MN protest:
https://occupyer.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/arrests-at-foreclosure-protest-in-front-of-us-bank-occupymn/
Thanks for these updates. I’m kind of low-bandwidth and I can’t keep up with the LS’s as much as I’d like…
LS-Columbia
They are taking questions from the chat stream to ask Tom Clements.
LS-Columbia
Finland is drilling a nuclear waste disposal storage under the seafloor. The design intends to use seawater flooding to prevent corroding of the storage containers. Per Tom Clements’s answer to the question from the chat stream.
LS-Columbia
Interesting in that SC is becoming one of the possible replacements for Yucca Mtn. and the issue has yet to really get attention there.
Disappointing in that he didn’t directly address organizing in conservative states, as advertised.
I don’t know if anyone has reported on my area yet, Kevin, but I would say as an observer that of the two Occupys here, Albuquerque would most benefit from your visit, should that be possible. They are more in the public eye for the state as the mainstream tv stations are there, and coverage is trending negative as I noted yesterday.
Santa Fe appears to me to have a more benign environment and local favorable press coverage from radio station KSFR at the Santa Fe Community College. Also, they most likely could send representatives down on the Railrunner to Albuquerque (65 miles approx.) to have discussions if they could be apprised of your schedule.
I should add that it appears to me that Thom Hartmann gets it as far as Occupy is concerned and has done some valuable lip service – still one to be wary of due to his acceptance of Obama and Dems in general, but he’s clear the movement must be nourished without co-option. So long as he keeps making that distinction, I will be kinder to him in future.
Sorry to have approved the job demand claim yesterday. It’s just that anything Occupy does, I want to support. I was somewhat befuddled about the ad deal though, didn’t comment on that. Seems to me it is too much of an embroilment with money laundering via MSM when word of mouth is so effective and so much more genuine. But that’s just my perspective. As I say, whatever the General Assembly decides on, I want to support.
Any who think they have a good idea of what the banks are capable of getting away with, absolutely must read masaccio’s current front page post. Prepare to have your mind blown. Then check out the chart linked by Finance___?___ at the end of the Morning Swim thread, on Fed conflict of interest policy. This is info that the OWS people need to get ASAP, and everyone needs to know about.
The irony of this statement is that several months ago progressives from this site were calling for Bernie Sanders head on a stick. (Nevermind that Sanders actually got legislation that allowed an audit of the Fed)Primary! Primary! Primary! However, Ron Paul and his views are hunky dory. Let’s not do anything to upset that apple cart. (shaking head)
CORRECTION: The chart I incorrectly cited as being at the end of the Morning Swim thread is in fact in Comment #92 by Finance Addict at the end of DDay’s Wednesday post on the GAO Report of Conlicts of Interest at the Fed.
I cannot overemphasize the importance of these two pieces of information.
You do realize that Ron Paul has actually proposed Federal regulation on the subject and that the House just passed legislation on the subject…..
And by the way, I am boycotting the audio/visual streams today – will do this when any murders are the topic of the day. Can’t take it any more. Enough! (as they say)
Sometimes irony can obscure common sense. OWS needs to be a people’s movement. We can’t afford to summarily turn our backs on all the “non-pure,” especially those “non-pure” whose real world interests should lead them to see the value of standing with us and with OWS. The Paulites and the TPers are getting the same fucking-over from the oligarchy as we are, they just need some help to see it.
I second that emotion!
I love the statement that the BoA “has a right to make a profit”. Which amendment to the Constitution protects that right?
And the same folks say that people don’t have a right to a job.
And the nitwits spout that they couldn’t possibly understand what the Occupy Wall Street demands are.
The house of cards is nearing collapse. They can’t keep kiting checks between each other forever.
I agree with Kris. 6 inch letters would probably be best. What’s your sign going to say? Do you know yet?
Well you can’t accuse the Fed Board of Governors with being hypocritical. They are upfront about it. ;-P
Don’t know if anyone has posted this (just came to my attention:)
Hedges Pt. 2 – Q&A
Now to go watch it…
Truly. As I commented there – we should make them a public utility and be done with it.
From a Forbest article about What the 25 Top Corporations pay in taxes:
Well, who sets the rate of return if they become a public utility. Or are you saying they should become a truly national bank, like the Bank of North Dakota is a state bank.
Sarah Jaffe and Joshua Holland, Alternet: Which Bank Is the Worst for America? 5 Behemoths That Hold Our Political System Hostage
Yea, I meant in the most radical sense. Partly venting, but really – didn’t we just buy that entire industry with the bailouts anyway? Not a big fan of pussyfooting around, I guess.
What could possibly go wrong?
Two thoughts on that, and I can only speak for myself, of course.
First, my thinking about government was radicalized during the debt ceiling charade. Up to that time, I believed that change would need to happen inside our democracy with deep, deep reforms. Primary Bernie Sanders would be the kind of action I *may* have looked at with lukewarm enthusiasm.
Now, my belief is that change will need to be made through sheer force of peaceful will from regular people. Rather than working for change through legislative reforms and institutional restructuring, I see the *possibility* of change happening by stepping around the festering carcass of illigitimate government that is corrupt to its core with corporate money.
I know this sounds radical and revolutionary, naive, blah blah blah. But masses of regular people are going to be the ones creating change, and that includes folks like Ron Paul supporters, with whom many of us agree on the blight of government corruption.
We can sort out our policy differences with the Ron Paul folks when a purer democracy is established. At that time, the fringe views of the right will not be as dangerous, as I noted upthread.
We bought the entire industry a few times over with $13.1 trillion.
Fuck ‘em. Nationalize them all. Cap the profit possibilities and roll the money back into the Federal General fund.
Glowing Baltic herring is a feature.
My, My! Just looked at Finance Addict’s chart. Gah!
Now off to look at masaccio’s post. Thanks for the heads up.
I love the part about seawater being used to prevent corrosion. Disclaimer: I haven’t looked into the details. Apparently, the U.S. isn’t the only country unable to do the sensible thing as a result of the influence of the nuclear industry.
3-Mile Island, Chernoble and Japan are apparently not enough. Fucking morons. They endanger us all, poisoning the soil we grow our food on, the sea we fish from and the air we breathe. Other than that, there’s nothing to see here.
AFL-CIO local will be marching with Occupy Austin this Sunday. 12-3pm
Great news! Stay tough.
If the derivatives market(s) go south, the FDIC won’t have enough money to cover the losses. Poof go the depositors funds. There is lots of risk in derivatives, much or most of it is mortage-, student loan-, credit card debt-, or commercial real estate mortage-backed. All those markets are under threat right now. We could wake up any morning and find that the robbery is complete, we are left with nothing, and nothing can be done about it. This is a huge step forward in the kind of corruption OWS is protesting. They should know about it. I don’t know how to get the info to them, but someone who does, should.
Reminding me of that put a smile on my face. I plan to be there. You? At City Hall or marching with the union?
Frightening. In your opinion, where is a safe place for the money? Credit unions? Or will that be the same issue?
I’ll really have to think about that, gw. Sometimes, the only things that make money are short bets on things going down. Which is most of what I do, but not available to regular investors in the same ways I do it. I really have to think it through. There’s been lots of new factors introduced into the picture in the last few days. Gotta work thru the analysis. It will take some time.
From the comedian/actor/musician and wonderful writer Russell Brand.
Article.
I’m not sure if we’ll start with the Union or if we’ll see what the plan is at city hall first. I’ll talk to cbl about it tomorrow and email you before we head out. Either Saturday or Sunday.
stop by Asheville NC if you can – we have over 40 tents up tonight, coldest night so far…. going strong here at Occupy Wall Street Asheville!
We are a town of about 70K in the beautiful mountains of western NC.
Really, ya’ll. Read this.
Railing against nuclear power because of a few spectacular failures is like railing against the airline industry for killing hundreds of people when a jet crashes even though your odds of being injured or killed are much higher on a freeway.
Peaceful nuclear power has done far less damage to the environment than energy sources like petroleum and coal, and represents a viable and generally clean energy source. Modern reactor designs are much safer than Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, or Fukushima ever were. Solar power, biofuels, and hydro and wind power are not proving to be adequate near-future replacements for petroleum and coal. If we intend to maintain a level of energy production similar to what we have today, nuclear power will have to be part of the solution.
Sorta makes November 5 kinda important doesn’t it, at least for BoA customers? Withdraw before the derivatives go south.
The problem is that those modern reactor designs haven’t replace the current reactors. And that utilities have every incentive to inflate costs of production and capital investment. The issue that Tom Clements was talking about was the capture of public utility commissions by private utilities and how that drives energy production choices away from the most efficient and least costly alternatives.
Yes, but that could be the least of our problems. There may not be enough money in the whole world to cover the liabilities that the taxpayer could be on the hook for.
Those certainly are problems, but they don’t just affect nuke plants and they don’t justify blanket anti-nuke sentiment.
I didn’t see the Tom Clements bit, sorry.
The situations that Clements discussed in particular were safety issues with a Progress Energy reactor near Florence SC, the application for a rate increase to build a nuclear reactor in Fairfield County SC, and the issues in the cleanup around the Savannah River Plant (“the bomb plant”) near Aiken SC.
Then audience questions caused a discussion of Yucca Mtn., the alternatives now being considered, including sites in the Appalachian Mtns. A chat question from the livestream proffered the Finnish plans as a preferred type of solution. Clements said that he did not know the details of that plan but from what he understood it was underground storage under the Baltic seafloor so that in a seismic event the tunnels would collapse and seal the nuclear waste with the seafloor acting somewhat as a coolant layer.
The fundamental issue was the capture of public service commissions by electric utilities.
No nukes is good nukes.
So you think Bush and Clinton (father-in-law of a Goldman Sachs guy now with a hedge fund) were/are in Vancouver (Surrey) to talk about how to re-enforce the legacy banksta/energy/extraction cartels’ hold? Maybe talk strategy with the Harper-ites on the Tar Sands West?
From Chris Bowers’s wrapup of day 34 on dKos:
I’m not good at reading behind-the-scenes communication. They could have been talking about golf for all I know. I just would like to get them off of the government payroll. That could take care of at least 20 or 30 folks on Social Security.
I guess I see things differently. Then again I’m a female. I just watched the House determine that hospitals have the right to tell me or my daughter to literally drop dead should we become pregnant.
Is he joking?
I’m female too. My fear is that our ability to control our own bodies will continue to be restricted with even more severity unless and until we rout the corruption that prevents real democratic rule.
The only thing Ron Paul and those like him are interested in legislating is your personal decisions. This is a guy who is officially on the record as saying he opposed Civil Rights and has actively worked to legislate women’s choice but feels there is “too much government involvement” in business decisions. I get the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend philosophy. However, I’d be very careful adopting it. It’s bit the US in the butt more times then I’d care to count.
Bernie Sanders: Top Economists to Advise Sanders on Fed Reform
The list:
Christian Dem in NC: Fundies issuing prayer alerts against Occupy Wall Street+
Not joking, but maybe overreacting. Family Research Council and Cindy Jacobs.
Daily Prayer Alert from Family Research Council:
So look for this from any folks tied into email lists from either of those two. And wait to see if it gets the Wurlitzer effect.
The participation of Ron Paul supporters in the Occupy Wall Street movement is something that cannot be controlled because the movement is explicitly opposed to anything that divides the 99% so that they can focus on the economic corruption issue. The best argument that privacy rights people can make is that abortion is an issue that has been used as a wedge to divide the 99% so that the 1% can loot their futures. And that the issue is privacy rights pure and simple.
Which raises the real issue. There should be a constitutional guarantee of individual privacy and corporate transparency.
And most likely it is an issue that should be bracketed (except for fighting legislation and enforcement) until there is a change in the political culture such that the issue can be discussed with a common base of facts. Which of course threatens the multimillion-dollar entrepreneurial anti-abortion lobby and the folks holding down jobs in those institutions. But that lobby colludes with the Wall Street lobby.
Not hardly. When a plane crashes, relatively few people get killed and almost nothing happens to the environment to prevent it from being inhabited again. When a nuclear power plant melts down, many people are killed, sooner or later. Typically governments don’t admit to the danger so even more people get sick or die than would need to if there was an honest government warning.
Chernobyl is a wasteland and almost a million people have already died, not to mention deformed children still being born.
Then there is the issue of what to do with nuclear waste which stays radioactive for thousands and thousands of years. No one has ever figured out how to safely store the waste.
Then there is the issue of the conventional energy it takes to build a nuclear power plant.
Then there is the issue of the energy cost and the destruction to humans and the environment of mining uranium.
Then there is the issue of the prodigious amount of water necessary to operate a nuclear power plant.
Then there is the issue of captured government entities relicensing old and potentially dangerous existing power plants.
Then there is the issue of the amount of leakage that is already occurring in virtually all these nuclear power plants.
I’m sure I’ve left out something, but it is late.
That’s so odd. I was sure God made those people occupy Wall Street. And I know God made us occupy Austin. It takes a lot of faith to call out the money lenders. They can’t turn us to God. We’re following God’s will.
Surely, they can’t think that God willed corporations to be people or wanted corporations to take all the money and pay nothing for their infrastructure or for the common good.
Unless, the religious right as it is formulated in the U.S., is a front group for the money lenders.
There’s also another event on Sunday at City Hall. Green City Festival or some such name from 1-4 pm. on Sunday. Check out greencityfest.org.
It’ll take place in City Hall and outside on the Plaza and there look to be lots of kid activities.
I’m planning to go on Sunday. Then to the Wheatsville Coop annual meeting.
Hot stuff, girl friend. Pun intended.
Right on! The nuclear industry is one of those 1% of wealthy, irresponsible, undemocratic corporate interests that threatens to destroy our entire world in their pursuit of empty profits. Unfortunately nuclear energy is a hotbed for pretension and elitist dismissal of the concerns of most people, but with Fukushima that is changing, and hopefully we can decommission and seal all nuclear plants to give the future of life on earth a decent chance.