
Lt. John Pike unleashes pepper spray on UC Davis students committing nonviolent civil disobedience
(update below)
Each and every day some police action infuriates and breathes new life into this movement. Just when you think the movement might go stale and the message of “We are the 99%” will no longer pack the punch that it has had over the last two months, some picture or some video is released showing occupiers or, in this case, students peacefully standing their ground in the face of police violence.
Yesterday, UC Davis students showed solidarity with students at other UC campuses, who are facing tuition increases and have been the victim of police brutality (particularly at UC Berkeley during Occupy Cal protests). The students set up tents on the main quad area of UC Davis. Police were ordered to remove the tents and arrived in riot gear holding batons and tear gas guns. Students sat on the ground in a circle, linked arms and held their ground in the face of a menacing police force.
“Lieutenant of Police” for UC Davis, John Pike, stepped over the line of occupiers sitting on the ground. He pointed a pepper spray canister at the line of students. Then, as if he was watering his lawn, he began spraying the students with orange-colored pepper spray.
The students remained calm. Those around the students began screaming but students being sprayed tucked their heads and tried to avoid getting spray in their face. Only a few occupiers stood up and ran off.
Following the pepper spraying, arrests were made. The brutality escalated, according to an assistant professor at the university, Nathan Brown:
Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.
Brown wrote an “open letter” calling on Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi to resign. The entire letter boldly condemns the Chancellor for permitting riot police to handle students as police did. The letter also boldly defends the students for standing their ground.
…The fact is: the administration of UC campuses systematically uses police brutality to terrorize students and faculty, to crush political dissent on our campuses, and to suppress free speech and peaceful assembly. Many people know this. Many more people are learning it very quickly.
You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds…
Occupy Davis had setup a camp on Thursday. They were informed by the university during the morning yesterday that the university could no longer allow the camp to exist on campus.
Chancellor Katehi wrote a letter on the removal of tents. While she did not necessarily defend the pepper spraying of students, she appallingly attempted to provide cover for the police brutality by stating, “We were aware that some of those involved in the recent demonstrations on campus were not members of the UC Davis community and this required us to be even more vigilant about the safety of our students, faculty and staff. We take this responsibility very seriously.”
Assistant Professor Brown rightfully declares in his open letter:
…I am writing to tell you in no uncertain terms that there must be space for protest on our campus. There must be space for political dissent on our campus. There must be space for civil disobedience on our campus. There must be space for students to assert their right to decide on the form of their protest, their dissent, and their civil disobedience—including the simple act of setting up tents in solidarity with other students who have done so. There must be space for protest and dissent, especially, when the object of protest and dissent is police brutality itself…
Occupy Davis now appears to be considering “a peaceful community bike ride” to visit the chancellor’s College Park/Russell neighborhood and confront her for sending riot police on to campus to use violence to remove what was up until police arrived an entirely peaceful assembly.
Update
Chancellor Katehi has issued a statement of apology. Here is an excerpt, including Katehi’s proposal for remedying the situation:
…During the early afternoon hours and because of the request to take down the tents, many students decided to dismantle their tents, a decision for which we are very thankful. However, a group of students and non-campus affiliates decided to stay. The university police then came to dismantle the encampment. The events of this intervention have been videotaped and widely distributed. As indicated in various videos, the police used pepper spray against the students who were blocking the way. The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this.
To this effect, I am forming a task force made of faculty, students and staff to review the events and provide to me a thorough report within 90 days. As part of this, a process will be designed that allows members of the community to express their views on this matter. This report will help inform our policies and processes within the university administration and the Police Department to help us avoid similar outcomes in the future. While the university is trying to ensure the safety and health of all members of our community, we must ensure our strategies to gain compliance are fair and reasonable and do not lead to mistreatment.
Furthermore, I am asking the office of Administrative and Resource Management and the office of Student Affairs to review our policies in relation to encampments of this nature and consider whether our existing policies reflect the needs of the students at this point in time. If our policies do not allow our students enough flexibility to express themselves, then we need to find a way to improve these policies and make them more effective and appropriate. [emphasis added]
Katehi does not label what the students did as nonviolent civil disobedience. The refusal to remove tents happened because students wanted to assert a right to political expression on campus that they (and others in the Occupy movement) feel they should have in spaces all over the country. What students are doing in asserting this right is challenging society to grant citizens more rights in public or even, in some cases, private space.
Rather than labeling those who do not take down tents when asked as anarchists or lawless people, discussion should be had over what students are trying to do by refusing to disperse. There should be a discussion about how the movement is trying to build community in these spaces where we are seeing police carry out city-ordered evictions.




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not sure if this has been posted yet.
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8884405-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street
Lobbying firm’s memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street
Looks like certain police officers and a particular Chancellor will soon be looking for jobs — and attorneys.
He certainty seemed to relish the opportunity.
Wouldn’t want him for a dad.
People are going to be held responsible for this brutality. I said below that I seriously want to know who approved this behavior via DHS, FBI, and DOJ. I don’t think they should wait until the law suits hit the courts. They need to come clean with it now.
Really. Standing there with his beer belly stuck out like he’s watering the lawn on a Saturday morning in Suburbia, USA. Heartless bastard.
From Assistant Prof Brown’s letter:
That’s gotta sting.
With a photo like that, I honestly do not understand why this man is not under arrest. What does the police department have to say about it? There can not be any law written that allows for torturing immobile people…is there? Lawyers?
Ask Cheney, he knows all about it. The rest of America is and has been kept in the dark regarding those laws and we still have super secret laws in the Patriot Act. All should be removed immediately. It is insanity to have laws on the books for citizens to follow or be governed by that is so secret they can’t be told what they are!
Yep – I’m hearing the sound of suits being filed right at this very moment. Question: could that student who’d been held and sprayed down the throat charge the policeman with assault?
And the Nation is SHOCKED!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45364967/ns/us_news-life/#.TsfM4cO5P0B
People no longer have sanctuary from Police brutality and over reaction:
http://www.truth-out.org/even-churches-wall-street-protesters-cant-escape-watch-police/1321714163
Yea, I know about Cheney, Bibi and Yoo. Their work is pure evil. However, they “justified” the breaking of the Geneva Convention based upon the guise of “imminent danger of terrorist attack”; the potential death of innocent thousands; repeat of 911…
The above photo shows a mean lazy cop torturing quietly seated kids posing no discernible threat at all. How is this different from the Rodney King video?
OWS-NY Schedule:
It appears to be attempted murder by poison to me!
Are the police trying to take away the option of civil disobedience? Getting arrested is one thing. Getting sprayed with pepper spray is another. In a just society the pot bellied goon would be fired from the police force without pension, charged and prosecuted for assault, and imprisoned for a few years. What a shithole America has become.
Via Forbes,
Police Response to OWS is Absurd
I don’t think there is a difference. However, they are using DHS and militarized tactics via Peace Officers under the umbrella of the Patriot Act and Terror. There is no terror in peaceful dissent.
Another good article.
Or perhaps what the police want is for the OWS’ers to fight back, in which case, then the police will feel fully justified to … what? They’ve already used incredibly forceful and damaging weapons against the demonstrators – pepper spray, batons, rubber bullets, tear gas canisters, physical assault… what is next? Live ammo?
I don’t think your headline is sufficient here, Kevin. The term “pepper spray” is such a harmless sounding description of what actually was happening. I would call it chemical waterboarding.
Oh, WOW! Yeah, that is a better term to describe what they are doing to college kids sitting on the ground!
“Chemical Waterboarding”
Excellent observation!
UC Davis is the most academically elite campus in the UC system. I can just imagine the envy and resentment that builds up in the academically challenged community college educated redneck cops employed by the system. It was ill advised for Chancellor Katehi to let them off the leash so that they could act out their revenge fantasy on the students.
Can somebody explain to me how that is in any way shape or form legal? In other words, why isn’t that cop going to be brought up on charges? I’m not asking about justice, but rather about the law today. Can any lawyer break it down for me? Or is the assumption that he is going to be arrested? How can you pepper spray someone who is sitting down?
You’d think the President of our country would speak up about the brutality and sadistic use of force against peaceful protestors.
Why doesn’t he?
Oh, yeah. Got it. The state is not about peace, love and understanding.
The chancellor is an electrical engineer and so probably has the least suitable background for a situation like this.
He never speaks up about anything like this. He never said a fucking word about the TSA child molestations and he won’t say shit about this. And nobody ever seems to call him on it.
Davis, CA is a little tomato town in the middle of nowhere. I can say that because I did 2 years hard time there.
The college itself is remarkably stuffy and conservative. And that’s the enlightened part. College police anywhere are not a professional crowd control force (these guys normally make Barney Fife look good, their job is to harass underage drinkers at raucous parties) and certainly the Davis Gang managed to turn the cow patty of a college center at Davis (the “quad” turns into a flooded swamp when the winter rain starts) into Tienanmen Square.
And, yes, the Chancellor should resign over this. After firing half the police force.
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. Fucking Pigs, it’s who they are, it’s what they do.
The image which came to my mind is that of the naked little girl running down the road in Vietnam, her clothes burned off by napalm. This wasn’t just one policeman as in the only photograph I can see. Nathan Brown writes:
“Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so.
WHEN STUDENTS COVERED THEIR EYES WITH THEIR CLOTHING, POLICE FORCED OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND PEPPER-SPRAYED DOWN THEIR THROATS.
Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.”
More than one policeman. More than one victim.
Torture.
This has to become the iconic image of the movement. These students have been atrociously harmed practising nonviolence in a public venue by violent, criminal agents of the state. Every newscast on every news platform should lead with this horror. Like a bunch of Pontius Pilates they have all washed their hands of the crucifixions ongoing.
THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!
Please, FDL, take time out from your turkeybasting and frontpage this!
#OWS is an unfolding morality play. I’m sensing the public is beginning to understand, and is growing uneasy with vivid, shocking images of police tactics and repression. The terrorist ju-ju doll doesn’t work. And people will have to make a choice if they support fascism and sadism, or not.
(Problem is, there’s so much rot under the surface nobody wants to deal with it. Avoid confrontation. Tune in to DWTS instead.)
In fact, some of the police involved in this thing should be fired and prosecuted for their violence. Spraying pepper spray down the throats of defenseless, non-resisting little college children is not any sort of lawful or appropriate use of force. It’s assault and battery, and probably more than that.
Who can protect us from our own government?
Someone is going to get killed with actions like this. WTH are the physical manifestations of being pepper sprayed down one’s throat?? What are the long term effects? If I was a parent, once I was released from jail because of my attempt to physically beat the snot out of the Chancellor for poisoning my kid, I would so be suing. Rabidly. Dismissal from his post, is not enough for the cop in the photo, nor for any of them. But I can’t think of an appropriate consequence at the moment. At least not one I wish to publicly wrap words around.
I wrote a message to UC Davis police last night.
Here is their contact page:
http://police.ucdavis.edu/contact-info
Letters expressing complete outrage should be addressed to:
Please direct inquiries for the president’s office to:
Mark G. Yudof
Office of the President
University of California
1111 Franklin St., 12th Floor
Oakland, CA 94607
From his bio: Yudof is a distinguished authority on constitutional law, freedom of expression and education law who has written and edited numerous publications on free speech and gender discrimination, including “Educational Policy and the Law.”
If this is justified, then civil disobedience is no longer an option in America. Civilly disobeying a police officer no longer results in going to jail. Now it results in being attacked by the police officer. Anybody who tries to justify this should think long and hard about the important role that civil disobedience has played in the history of this society.
This is just starting to filter into the MSM…. very shocking video obtained by the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/18/occupy-oakland-police-beating-veteran?newsfeed=true
Thanks for the contact info. I just sent an e-mail. I don’t think this behavior is going to be tolerated in California.
Forget the police, see my 36. Write to the system president, an authority on constitutional law and freedom of expression.
Ironic, a bit.
Not only that, but at the end of the video they have their rifles up and ready to fire at extremely close range! As a parent, I’d make sure they never had the opportunity to hold a weapon again.
I don’t expect the power elite in the establishment to do anything to address police violence (except maybe for a few nice words about freedom of expression, and blah blah blah).
The police are a domestic paramilitary force designed to prop up the corrupt 1%. The cops will enforce their ‘law.’
#OWS resists assimilation into the established political order, so, ultimately, this is a death match.
What 99% of the 99%ers don’t want is to face this.
Letters expressing complete outrage should be addressed to:
Mark G. Yudof
Office of the President
University of California
1111 Franklin St., 12th Floor
Oakland, CA 94607
From his bio:
Yudof is a distinguished authority on constitutional law, freedom of expression and education law who has written and edited numerous publications on free speech and gender discrimination, including “Educational Policy and the Law.”
sorry for repeat post.
Story from San Francisco Bee, pretty misleading and incomplete. Many of the comments are dispiriting in their attempted justification for brutality, and their obvious meanness and anger at OWS:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/19/4066159/10-occupy-protesters-arrested.html#disqus_thread
They proved your assumption in New York. They protected Wall Street, not figuratively, but literally! They have blocked the entire street.
Will write today. Thanks.
I will tell you what else this horrible story is like – my local radio station is as I type running a serious discussion about fracking for natural gas – that is what this is, exactly! These students were fracked! Their lives were counted as nothing, as the frackers count the life of our good earth as nothing – pour those poisons down, pour them down. The earth is expendable. Tunnel vision that is called. Literally, tunnel vision.
As a comment pointed out above, this is attempted murder. Murder of our good hearted children who seek to bring back sanity and a moral compass to a sick regime whose only solution is a military one; murder of our good earth which has said ‘enough’ to the drillers and the swaggering plunderers – a tower of Babel in reverse plunging deeper than is allowed by nature. And now they pour poisons down the throats of our children while we parents think about turkeys and stuffing – stuffing??!!
Some Thanksgiving.
Kevin says, if anything perpetuates the movement, this will. But I think it was going to be perpetuated in any case – no matter who says it was petering out – just saying things does not make them true, even if what is said is the only thing that is being reported! We already know well to discount what is generally being reported, to look for stories like this one which tell us what exactly is happening, as Kevin does so well here, with such economy.
Escalation of police violence is not necessary to this movement. Our young people are purposed and that purpose will not wane; it will channel into further creative demonstrations. We do not need atrocities like this; we do not want our peaceful children to be harmed! Stop the chemical waterboarding; stop the childfracking!!! Let us get back to stuffing our turkeys with good things. And let the movement go back to its joyful celebration of freedom and good intentions, along with the rest of the 99% this holiday season.
Enough!
I think Yves Smith is correct; we are witnessing the effective nationalization of local police forces, and this means that local police are NOT under the control or the direction of local communities, of local citizens, nor are such nationalized police forces attuned to the legitimate well-being and fundamental local interests of “the people”, instead they are merely instruments of the National Security State … which is out of control and has been deliberately and intentionally divested of the Rule of Law. We face nothing less than the whim of brutal tyranny.
DW
I thank all of those involved in Occupy Wall Street. I don’t know where we are going to end up, but those standing(sitting) their ground at the protests are true defenders of the United States. We’ve gone too far towards a police state and too far towards corporate control of government. I’m afraid no one in power is willing to take the steps needed mitigate the angst everybody is feeling. We are at a tipping point and I suspect the authorities know this. They are trying to stop it from growing, but unfortunately, everything they are doing to stop it is actually making the movement grow.
The rabid right is currently calling the protesters dirty, filthy, commie, socialists trying to undo America.
If that is not another fear/terror attempt I don’t know what is.
Appropriate repeat.
I think the President expressed it for them all, ” It’s not illegal”.
Training civilian police in outlandish military tactics has been the real bread and butter for companies like Blackwater aka Xe. Even the most piss ant of small town sheriff departments or rent a cop community college police forces seems to have their own heavily armed SWAT teams these days. DHS picks up the tab for training and equipment and the temptation to inappropriately use all the those new toys is very great.
Kevin’s latest and he will leave Maine and go back to Boston today:
Yep. To a hammer everything looks like a nail. To a Homeland Security team everything looks like terror.
Getting our money’s worth out of the fusion centers now!
I fear your observation is correct, all they needed was the “war on terra.”
Right now it’s like 1% against 1%. But their 1% has all the money and power. Still, the plutocrats are fearful of an uprising, and they will use all force necessary to put it down, because if the other 98% join in, it’s game set match.
Hope it works out that way. Peacefully, too. But it might have a bad ending. Heroes often fail.
At some point, they will force real patriots to resort to individual acts of asymmetrical guerrilla warfare. This has always seemed likely to me. That is the only way the PTB can be made to feel their vulnerability. Not advocating, just analyzing. There’s a lot of history. Plus, Woody Allen once said,” A baseball bat works much better on Nazis.”
Are we not our own “heroes”, now, sfmikey, and is not the future of humankind and the world at stake?
After some ten thousand years of sociopathic “rule”, we see the beginningfs of a true, and terribly necessary reaissance, of deep and abiding commitment to reason, to justice, and to truth.
I would say that propects for a better world are brightrer every day.
I would also say that the “cost” is also, daily, becoming very, very clear.
DW
There are also some history, rc, suggesting that non-violence will make the only meaningful change, otherwise we are merely “changing” those behind the bats, the batons … the “method” remains the same.
DW
Oh lord. I couldn’t watch all the way through. I was too upset by what I was seeing. What a mess. But I am sure they will attempt to spin this.
Thanks to FDL for frontpaging this. DW, your phrase, sociopathic “rule”, is so succinct. Brevity is the soul of wisdom.
Okay you’ve got to see this. Business Insider’s version, some pictures (look like various vid caps) of the UC Davis pepper spraying, along with Gus Lubin’s comments. But that isn’t what you need to look at. Look at the comments. According to these wingnuts, these students are employing “terrorist tactics” and acting like “terrorists”, “irrational radicals”, and engaging in “violent riots”. Anyone can watch the videos. Perception is, I guess, a complex and intricate thing.
Good morning, DW. I believe that this will become very violent on the part of the police/military, more than now. I also believe that the gov’t at every level has no idea what they are dealing with. The militias have been looking for a reason for a long time. Also the economy is going to hit blue collar workers very hard in the coming year and they are not going to sit quietly and starve. We have some unsteady days ahead I fear.
The comments in bay area papers supporting the police are so over the top that they do the police image far more harm than good. I suspect that is their real objective.
This story is now at the top of HuffPo.
Big story. I hope the nation feels the outrage and thinks about it.
The Constitution used to protect you. It went out with the Patriot Act. You are no longer protected. At this point there are two alternatives. Fight back or emigrate. Everyone has to make his or her own choice on that.
You are correct. This has been in the making for a long time. The plan has been taken off the shelf and put into effect. Vote suppression is the next step, after Obama has been re-elected, of course.
Governor Jerry Brown will come to the rescue. Oh, wait …
When asked about occupy Oakland, Brown replied: “I don’t want to step on my story at this point. I’ve been advised.” He then went on to outline how California state employees will now pay for half of their pensions in his new plan (a plan previously proposed by Republicans). Union leaders quietly accept this roll back. SFGate 10/29/2011.
America’s leadership is illegitimate.
PS – Do those cops realize that while they are terrorizing those protesting the roll back the governor is cutting their pensions in half?
Seriously, once these people abuse positions that are solely there in the first place for protecting and serving the public, why should these people be allowed to simply get jobs elsewhere so they can be repeat offenders? This is how Portland, OR got a horrible police chief after he failed out in Los Angeles, CA. That brought a lot of unnecessary suffering and here we are again with another who thinks he can also get the job of Mayor.
Another piece of the structural change is no more corporate anything.
Seeing this crap over and over just makes me wish the lawyers for occupy could get access to the grand jury.
You are very likely correct in your prognostication, Twain and I would go further regarding what the PTB understand and imagine, franky, they’ve not a clue and their too ready fall-back to overwhelming force and violence is proof that this is so …
The next few years will be difficult and bloody. However, OWS represents a telescoping of understanding, a condensation of wisdom, and the underlying principles of enlightened humanity, and the main carriers, the main energized beings of that movement are young, the very best of each generation is represented, but the center is with the young and that tells me that the future will be in the hands of those young and those who will learn the proper and truthful lessons in the instructive days ahead.
The ruling elite are finished, they are done, they have, already, over-played their “hand” and revealed the full poverty of their grasp and their utter lack of conscience. Everything the 1% do, henceforth, will speed the day of their final and complete demise.
DW
All the police violence *does* make me wonder why we have jails and courts if we don’t use them to lock up volent offenders like we’ve seen spraying protesters.
We could have an extended debate, obviously, but I know your position is pacifism all the way, and mine is only that it is reasonable to give pacifism a chance. I would challenge one aspect of your position, one shared by many, I know, but one I find to be not at all compelling, which is the implicit assumption that if one must use force to remove the boot of tyranny, then one must necessarily act like a tyrant oneself after the previous tyrant has been defeated. I reject that premise as being unproven at best. I have had to use force or the threat of force multiple times in my life, and invariably, once the threat is removed, I go right back to being my supremely gentle, reasonable, and empathic self. Effortlessly and happily.
This is unlawful police action, no matter if it happens on UC Davis campus, Zuccotti Park, or Harlem. Police have been so militarized, a consequence of all this 911 emotion, that now it uses its newfound power to transform protesters into Terrorists! Next they’ll be black bagging people and renditioning them to the numerous black sites now created in the U.S. (see Frontline’s report on black sites in the U.S.)
This is as emblematic as Kent State, as Miss civil rights marchers hosed and attacked by police dogs! Parents of these students should be suing police and university. Student protest is practically a rite of passage on US campuses and hardly deserves military assault.
This is a response in my local paper to a protest Thursday evening.
“Hey Whitey
Was that OWS guy that just shot a couple of rounds from an AK47 into the White House just expressing his civil duty? Your pretty informed, why have you not addressed this matter, or are you trying to figure out how you can blame the Tea party for that??????
And by the way, you just keep telling yourself that such a large percentage of Americans support OSW, and see how that plays out in the 2012 election!!!! ”
This goes back ten years to not stopping the slaughter of the last vestiges of our sanity and humanity.We act like this everyday in these countries we’ve invaded.throwing around lead and depleted uranium , now it’s coming home.
We’ve turned our brothers and sisters into murdering manics, cutting off fingers of their victims as prizes and they’re coming home.
We’ve allowed Torture to be glorified instead of criminalized and publicly rebuked , It’s come home and occupies the prisons.
Now the president has in fact murdered American Citizens on his say so but with secret orders.
We’re in deep in the big muddy and OWS is a way to kill the vampire by dragging it into the light of day.
Police officer Lt. John Pike is guy who sprayed UC Davis students. Pic
Chancellor Katehi has a blog. Her most recent entry announces The Civility Project:
It’s open for comments.
Thanks for the info.
It’s State Pen football day.
She’s a liar. End of comment.
Correction.
The 99% pick up the tab, not DHS.
Thank you. I left a nice comment there too.
According to Political Wire, 100 million people in this country are living in or near poverty. Astounding number and worth noting. How long will it take for them to react? I say not very long.
Well, some of us were saying “Bring the War Home” and, indeed now it has come home..in Aces and Spades.
America is getting a tiny taste of the horrors Amerika is perpetrating on the rest of the world. World Wide Police State, courtesy of The Land of the Free, indeed.
And the rest of the world is seeing full well that Amerika is purely Hypocritical. They have known this since day one, but if anyone had any doubts….
Not all the returning soldiers are going to stay peaceful since they have been trained as killers of innocent people.
This is getting very Interesting. Things can only get worse, before they get Worse.
And the world is also seeing that Amerika treats its own children and intellectuals with the same cruelty and murderous manner that it treats everyone else.
We have real Heroes here in the stomach of the Beast.
Living in the deep South, as I do, I fear you may be right. There are those, in little pockets around the country, who have been waiting for an excuse to take such actions as they see fit. The next few years may be difficult indeed.
Let’s go through the logic of the suppression of First Amendment Rights. To me the logic is this: the American PTB believe that we are at war with a big part of the rest of the world, Muslims to begin with, because they sit on our oil and African mineral resources; and China, which has the temerity to become a world power that can defend itself against us. In effect the policy elite have accepted the Neo-Conservative position that United States policy will be predicated on there being no power in the world that can contest American power.
That position has important implications. One is that the United States cannot afford a welfare state and a military establishment big enough to impose the Neo-conservative vision. The second is that any domestic opposition to that policy has to be put down as treachery.
There are economic interests involved, but I think the bottom line in all this is the foreign policy vision. We have seen a nation go down this track before. It’s name is Germany.
As in we are “equal opportunity perpetrators”?
Yes, I am just waiting to hear the first MSM creep or Rabid Right Politician call our Heroes “Terrorists”. That will be the beginning of the End.
Not that they are not already treating the #OWSers as if they are Terrorists.
These Fascist Tools are really having the time of their lives Chemical Water Boarding our precious Soldiers for Peace and Equality and Justice.
Yes.
This has been another episode of Simple Answers to Simple Questions.
As you know, rc, it is for the sake of the larger dialogue that I engage some of your comments. The difficulty is, that once violence has been legitimized, it then, too often and too easily, becomes the means, even if the final or ultimate means, to achieving whatever good ends it porports to seek.
The sole distinction is genuine self-defence, where we do not differ, and that requires the principled willingness to put aside overwheming force and embrace ONLY the extent of the use of such force … as is necessary and appropriate, sufficient to the circumstance.
This precludes the use of the full-throated threat of force and the building of a “standing” lethal and deadly force … even police work, if a society is to be sane and civil, should seek unarmed resolution except when actual life or harm is threatened.
However, that said, rc, that larger conversation, or debate, is necessary … and should take place … much sooner rather than later … or too late.
DW
TWOOPH!
I take it as a matter of faith that the PTB stand ready, willing, and very able to kill millions who oppose them, without a twinge of conscience. We are not living in the world of Gandhi or Martin, we are in the world of Libya, Syria, Bahrain, and China. When this ferocity is unleashed upon us, we will necessarily have to decide whether to stay pacifist and die, or whether to submit to endless corporate subjugation, or whether to do what is necessary to win a real fight. How will we decide, that’s the real dilemma awaiting us IMO.
So what do WE do about Lt. John Pike? I think there should be extreme pressure to get him fired. Then he will know what it feels like to not have a job – and good luck getting one somewhere else. I want to follow his career from now on.
‘Twere wise if all “good Americans” were to take heed of the honest tale you tell, Knut … for if the wealth of hatred has full and total “play” then, as you suggest, after all is said and brutally done, a dire, and pitiless consequence, at the insistence of world conscience, will have its historic day …
DW
DW,
You say it! You said it! Keep saying it!
We have to discuss this openly. We also must follow the Direct Democracy that the OWS teams are learning and hope to practice.
Demand UC Davis Chancellor AND University of California Regents fired. Chancellor wasn’t who established U-C Police training. U-C Regents did that. The Terminator filled U-C Regents mostly with Orange Co. trailer trash.
Exactly.
In normal times, I struggle to espouse non-violence. My brain says it’s the way to go. But watching these videos of police assault of non-violent protestors, my rage rises up. Regardless of how I wish to feel, I have no good feelings for the people ordering the actions, the people using our budgets to pay for them, and the people carrying them out.
Ultimately, we as Americans must put a stop to it.
I’ve said from the beginning that our most critical fight is for habeas corpus. We must have rights under the law. As I’ve said, without that, we will not be able to protest any other grievances. I wish I was smart enough to figure out just exactly how to reverse this. There’s been many a night when, instead of sleeping, i was trying to understand what we need to do to succeed.
DW, please take my #94 s a response to you. I think you know I admire the purity of your philosophy, to the extent that I really try to buy into it, the spiritual purity appeals to me. All I mean to say is that if spiritual purity leads to a genuine self-defense situation, individually or as the movement, then I will probably come down on the side of pragmatics as opposed to spirituality. As will many others. Getting back to normal afterwards seems more doable to me than it does to you. I don’t know for sure which of us is right about that. But for me, achieving freedom and justice for the regular people is the absolute highest priority and the ultimate value.
The further dilemma, rc, is timing and understanding … in the meantime, and it will be a mean time, let us speak about how, by what means, the world is truly changed. Unless “they” plan to kill us all, revulsion at the tactics of endless and unrestrained violence, which will be rained upon everyone in the world who do not bow down, that is, on almost everyone, one way or another, then only acts of principle and humanity will serve to rally and encourage the courage and conscience which we both agree must find full-flower in the hearts of the many … and that process will take time, tolerance, and understanding.
The more harsh the “lessons” of submission, the sweeter reason and truth will be … and that is true for all who have human hearts beating within their breasts.
Now, my friend, we need poety that touches the soul … quite as much as we need guts.
DW
Insist that he be investigated and prosecuted for assault and battery instead of excessive force. There was no reaction to violence and no reason to use force in the first place so there is no legitimate force to have used excessively. It’s just criminal violence. Too frequently, these cops are allowed to have their violence viewed as a simple escalation of their sanctioned use of force in response to violent situations. If it’s made clear that there was no violent situation and they did not escalate from any sanctioned use of force, then it becomes criminal violence pure and simple and they should go to jail, get criminal records, and be dismissed, not get suspended or reprimanded. Once that becomes the norm, the behavior will stop.
But, but they wouldn’t go away. (Authoritarians hate that.)
This approach leaves the present profoundly corrupt system intact (e.g., see here) which means, say, that a Federal whistle blower like Bunnatine Greenhouse will never be much more than a Wikipedia entry.
Could be that a lot of comments are plants.
To file a complaint against Lt. John Pike with the UC Davis police department, click here.
The USA is one of the best entertained and least informed societies. We are also, by design and as a result of the two party system, one of the most politically divided.
For those reasons I think there will be a lot of pain inflicted before the masses awaken and/or unite to push for freedom. There was a great deal of violence and murder inflicted by the established powers on the labor and civil rights movements. Those victim heroes suffered greatly, but not in vain.
I salute the brave demonstrators at UC Davis. May more come forward.
That woman needs to be honored. She is but one of the few that have given us a glimpse into the real reasons behind Afghanistan and Iraq. It hasn’t stopped or slowed down anything, but we do know now.
Maybe, just maybe, if cops start to get fired for brutality, the message might get through. We all have to do something. I said several days ago that I have given to 3 police organizations for over 20 years. Got a call a few days ago and refused to give and told the person on the phone why. I won’t be giving to any more. It’s a small thing, I know, but we can put pressure in various ways. When I get the next call, and I will get one, I will ask that they help stop the violence against citizens such as in Davis.
Your last sentence has my full and total agreement … and is precisely why I say what I have said.
It is not “purity” but simple, considered understanding.
I have long considered what we now face, for fifty years and more, rc, and I tell you that what we seek MUST be built upon universal and timeless, and necessary human principles.
Not high faluting bombast, nor calls to pathetic arms, but basic, simple human truths.
Frankly, even armed to the teeth, a civilian population cannot defeat such tyranny as now we face … only the unwillingness of the people, themselves, to join with the forces of their destruction may make impotent the rage and lust to kill which this governmnet has sought to unleash upon all the people, all the human beings, of the world.
Armed “defense” may well become necessity, but it can only be a rear-guard action, a means of gaining time that none of the people will join with the oppressors …
If you think that passive resistance has brought an unreasonable response, then you are quite right. Imagine what will happen if armed and unco-ordinated violence springs up?
Who do you think will pay?
The answer is, ALWAYS, the most vulnerable and defenseless.
Let the reign of terror defeat itself, in as much as we may, and let us seize those propitious moments when conscience and common humanity may hold sway.
DW
John Kennedy said ” If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.”
I’m as appalled as anyone, maybe more so, at the actions of the cops against Occupy members everywhere, especially on the UC-Davis campus. However, as a retired NYPD captain I take offense at the blanket characterization of cops as community college-educated rednecks. I have a masters degree that I was working on while I was a cop; others cops I worked with were lawyers from good law schools. One member of the NYPD who entered the job in January ’82, along with me, was a medical doctor. Another friend of mine has a masters degree in biochemistry.
The actions of a lot of cops are the actions of proto-fascist thugs, but not all cops endorse assaults on innocent people or blatant attacks on the constitution.
Davis? Most elite UC Campus? Are you high?
Davis has a world class medical school, right on a par with UC San Francisco which is a med school with not much else. Davis traditionally has top level engineering programs and after all the University of California system is academically rigorous across the board. But let’s get real, in origin Davis was UC Berkeley’s Ag Campus just as UCLA was once just known as the Southern Campus. Berkeley was, is, and hopefully will always be the flagship of the UC system in all but speciality schools like Medicine and Agriculture.
Davis is a great school and a bicyclist paradise (everybody rides bikes everywhere, in part because the campus is flatter than a squashed pancake) but it ain’t no Berkeley. Or even UCLA or in the liberal arts UC Santa Cruz. No Davis students no longer need to brush off the hay and scrape cow shit off their boots before coming to the Big City, but neither is it the New Haven or Cambridge of the Big Valley.
Yes this a multi-pronged approach but exceptions to the rule and “catch and release” has never worked for dealing with the predators on display so easily harbored by this hypocritical “two-tiered justice system.” The “leaders” must be held ever more accountable for the trust of so many they have actively and wilfully betrayed and abused.
No reason to wait for some government official to fire these cops.
There are plenty of photographs among all the people filming. Identify as many of the cops as possible and publish their names and general location. Then all who disagree with their actions don’t voluntarily associate with these government enforcers – no sales, no service, no camaraderie, no anything – who continue to remain in or seek these jobs even when approached with reasoned logic for getting one that truly produces value! This is shunning and ostracism, used down through the ages with considerable success towards modifying the others’ behavior viewed as unacceptable.
So if you understand that enforcers – those who are willing to initiate physical force against others – are unacceptable in a society of voluntarily interacting individuals, then use the cumulative influence of the much larger number of non-enforcers. Make government enforcement an unpopular position. Be self-responsible. Protests are not enough: http://selfsip.org/focus/protestsnotenough.html
The orchestrated national campaign by law enforcement appears to be designed to make no distinction whatever between the few who commit criminal acts and the many who are just baby lambs in this new movement.
Where did that lead last time? To Kent State and other lethal incidents in the Civil Rights movements.
Particularly when they are using brutality on college campuse they are bound to get freshman age kids who have been brought up in sheltered homes and who have no idea that simply engaging in a college demonstration could endanger their lives.
Thank you, Matt, for speaking this truth, for it is the truth.
One sincerely hopes that officers, such as those whom you mention and those several whom I have known, may soon make some measurable “headway” with their brother and sister officers in seeking to find a better, more rational and humane way of serving and protecting “the people”, and, as well, coming to understand that “the people” are NOT the enemies of justice, of civil order, or of the Rule of Law, that it is, rather, those who use and abuse the police to their own selfish, greedy, and powerful ends, who are the sworn enemies of peace, of reason, of truth, and of true justice.
DW
Kent State.
The incident there turned attitude toward protest around. Then Vietnam ended.
The ignored us.
They laughed at us.
They are fighting us
We will win.
You are no doubt right, but it is very distressing that more police officers aren’t standing up against these thuggish tactics. Where is the dissent within the NYPD?
This in part explains it if you read between the lines. Note the rigid hierarchical or “command and control” structure and all the things that implies.
I’ll have what you’re having.
One of the many things that has appalled me in the recent crackdowns has been the hyper militarization of the police dressed up like hundreds of Darth Vaders in over the top anti-terrorist gear. How can you expect a citizen to see people in these Halloween costumes as professionals with advanced degrees?
Many of us engage in occupations which bring us into contact with people far more dangerous than these protestors and we do it with no weapons and no protective gear.
Had a bad experience there? Sorry about that. Perhaps Humboldt State would have been a better fit for you.
Maybe as a former officer you can explain how these NYPD members who baton kids and old people, pepper spray young women, etc. go home at night and look themselves in the mirror. This is a sincere question. I’m sure that many of the officers would not do these things but they are not on tv speaking out. All we see are the thugs who appear quite happy to beat someone who is the age of their grandmothers.
Just for clarity, and I think we have taken this discussion as far as is reasonable right now, direct armed confrontation would be suicidal, but no power, to my knowledge, has ever been able to truly defeat asymmetrical guerrilla warfare tactics, and those can be spontaneously and individually carried out, so as to defeat all the State’s surveillance abilities. The belief in the invulnerability of the PTB is what keeps them so arrogant and violent, IMO.
Reasonably, I do not disagree with any of your assessments.
(Left a wee query for you on the DDay “Lobbying Memo …” thread, rc, BTW.)
DW
Pssst. o owns the thuggery, pass it on. (The lessor evil my ass)
Compartmentalization or possibly none at all (yes, I know battered, survivor spouses). See the wedding ring on this policeman’s left hand as he assaults a young, unarmed woman from behind (there’s more)?
If O wished to stop the violence occurring on the streets of this nation, then he could, very easily, do so, tbs.
There is no lesser evil, there is only evil.
And a presumed “choice” between evils, is no choice at all …
It is merely a despicable lie, a demeaning pretense, and a destructive sham.
There is no moral excuse for taking part in such a deadly farce, not even ignorance is a reasonable or tenable “defense”, it is not even … an acceptable excuse.
DW
I want to agree with mattcarmody @112. I’m having more difficulty, though, as I see more and more of these video clips of obvious police brutality, aggression and just plain assault on non-violent protesters. It is long past the point at which other of those officers should have stepped up and stopped the assaults. They haven’t done that, to my knowlege. It speaks volumes.
Hey it’s the clap-on, clap-off POTUS with the addition of the clap-on, clap-off “Commander-in-Chief.”
“Obama vs. Obama” (Mark Fiore, Jun 24, 2009)
This is not a crowd control pepper spray; this looks as if a fireman was hosing down a massive fire. In Los Angeles you see gardeners hosing lawns like that. Such behaviour of authorities is disgraceful. This peaceful shit does not work. Where are parents and other students on this issue? Now, they should be ripping apart these campuses.
Authorities are making excuse of unsanitary conditions because of occupy wall streets. If anybody does not have right to accuse others of unsanitary and unsafe conditions, it will be NYcity and its ugly Mayor Bloomberg. Moreover, we have a corrupt, despicable President. Obama is in the pocket of banksters and is doing their dirty job to shut down protests by using FBI, DHS and other agencies to coordinate crack down on protestors. All need to rise up and be vocal in support of these students and other occupiers. One important thing to do is to remove Obama from the office. He is as bad and corrupt as republicans in power. This guy is disaster and disgrace.
So right. So right.
You, too.
I’m sure matt is right that there are some good officers as he describes. I am even more sure that they are a distinct and widely-ignored minority. More’s the pity.
Truly sorry for what happened to the students at UC Davis and other Occupy protestors who’ve suffered from the batons, rubber bullets and/or pepper spray.
Hate to say it, but it’s still early days yet. US populace is being brainwashed by the propoganda media, which takes the footage & photos and manipulates to make it look like the protestors are violent & out of control. So the PDs just “had to” use force to “control the mob.”
I am hearing this quite a bit at the moment. That, plus a lot of bitter resentment that the Occupy protests are “costing” tax dollars for the PD to be there to “manage” them. Citizens are deliberately mis-informed to make the protests look “bad,” and to make the PD look “good.” And, no surprise, to pit a portion of the 99% against another portion of the 99% (eg, some of the non-Occupiers v. the Occupiers & their supporters).
The usual: divide & conquer.
Just saying…
Early days. Don’t expect the UC Davis situation to change the minds that are brainwashed by the propoganda media. I hate to think what will turn the tide, but we have all been here before with the Civil Rights movement and the Anti-Viet Nam war protests. It took a while before the majority of the populace actually awakened and realized what was truly going on.
Get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights. Don’t give up the fight.
This is surprising, but not really
Earlier this year it was revealed that the UC Davis admin was spying on students during their tuition and fee hike protests during the last school year. It included a cointelpro program of infiltration by, and monitoring of, the student groups leading the opposition to raising the rates by undercover police officers. It was also found that they pressured minority and gay and lesbian groups to inform on their fellow students. And that the admin was extremely worried about coordination between the students and union employees of the campus
Further, there was evidence of coordination between the UC Davis admin and all the way up to, and including the entire University of California system, through President Yudoff’s office.
My guess is that this police riot was fully sanctioned and ordered by UC Davis officials and probably coordinated throughout the entire UC system
It speaks, unfortunately to the same “culture” of hierarchy as the Penn State “scandal” … of entrenced, patterens of deference quite like we see among laywers and judges who are, also, a part of the very corrupt Legal” System … OmAli, it is about the power of those at the top and misplaced “loyalty” down through the ranks … it is the cancer that devours civil behavior and emperils civil society.
It is found in every major “system” in this society, the educational system, the economic system, the political system, and so on …
It suggests that all such “systems” are “fixed” beyond simple repair or easy rectification.
It suggests that humanity has got to change the very foundations of its society if it is to survive and thrive.
It suggest collapse and disentegration … but also genuine possibility.
There ARE police officers speaking out and standing up. Now, there may only be a few, but there will soon be more … and then … either reason will prevail or the age will darken until courage and humanity rise as a beacon. And that light will be seen and recognized, and I predict, that people of conscience, courage, and conviction will rally around it … just as they are joining together around the truth which OWS, by its very existence, exposes … every single day.
DW
Well, the police policing themselves just hasn’t happened and it’s been an obvious, conscious choice:
“Retired NY Supreme Court Justice Karen Smith Roughed up by Cops for Intervening in Brutal Beating of ‘Occupy’ Protester’s Mom” (Moral Low Ground, Nov. 17, 2011)
Police Captain Joins Occupy Protest, Arrested (ReaderSupportedNews.Org, by Kevin Pinner, Nov. 18, 2011)
The same goes for the attorneys. Yoo, Card, Addington, Hadley and many others walk the Earth Scott-free and are even allowed to collect tax payer provided stipends with which they trumpet and peddle their anti-democractic heresy in the People’s universitys and airwaves.
They’ve lost , they just don’t realize it yet.
Really, they are all Morans.
Oh yes. Thanks for that reminder. Like you, I wasn’t all that surprised to read the headlines in the SacBee this morning. There’s been “stuff” like this going on at Davis for a while, which belies the impression that UC Davis is this very liberal bastion. The UC system is not “liberal” as is also evidenced by the egregiously high salaries paid to the Reagents, while tuition keeps skyrocketing and various services get cut, while class sizes increase.
It’s a misguided notion propounded by the 1% that so-called “Academia” is insanely & egregiously “liberal.” It’s not, esp these larger institutions, which are just part of the overall 1% system. Those in power in Academia are going to be on the side of the 1% and are not going to be particularly sympathetic towards any Occupy protests or other student protests, esp protests about outragously high tuition fees (which pay off the the upper 1% in Academia very well, thanks very much).
Sadly, expect more of the same as time goes by…
Thanks, DW. Answered your query over there.
I fear that it will take us shaking society to its very foundations. And it is beginning, right now. I stand in absolute awe of the Occupiers.
Thank you for those links. I knew about the latter, but not the former incident. Shameful.
And, thanks for reminding me, I was going to include this link
http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/regents-club/content?oid=1854684
!De nada! One of them was brought to my attention by a former Fed prosecutor so my thanks goes to them as well.
I know, rc. And I’ve known several of them over the years. I’d like to call them now and ask their feelings about what they are seeing.
Sadly, one of them I can’t call. My old friend, farrier and K9 officer Nick was killed on duty. So as you can imagine, I’m torn about this.
So, to those asking: “what can we do?” Here’s what I did.
1) I wrote an email to the UC Davis police demanding the resignation of all officers involved in the incident, and the investigation on criminal assault charges of the lieutenant doing the pepper spraying. This is inadequate, but it’s a start — the sociopaths working on the police force (NOTE: not all police are sociopaths! but some are, and THOSE need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, not shielded because they’re police) need to be ousted, and justice will only come when the POLICE are as ruthless in prosecuting their own bad actors as they are in pepper spraying little old ladies.
2) I posted a comment on the chancellors blog with a link to the pic of the pepper spraying. I’m sure it will be deleted, but eventually the weight of the response may force the chancellor to shut down comments, or shut down her blog — either way will indicate that we’ve made a difference.
3) I’ve made a point on EVERY newspaper comment forum I can find, to point out that protest is not illegal, and that even when it’s illegal, nonviolent civil disobedience does not justify brutality. I try to stand up for my beliefs and be clear and levelheaded and not resort to name calling. By this, I hope to be one more voice showing that it’s the blood-crazed authoritarians who are the insane ones, not us “dirty f*ing hippies” who are trying to stand up to the tide of evil.
4) I donated $250 to OccupySupply a few days back. It’s what I could afford; I urge you to donate what YOU can afford. These people need hot food and warm clothing, and more than that, they need to know that we’re watching, that we support them, and that we care.
5) Perhaps most importantly, I’m doing everything I can to spread stories like this far and wide. The mainstream media is doing what it can to bury these stories or spin them as incidents of “peaceful” police defending themselves against “violent” protesters; it is up to US, the citizen-journalists of the 21st century, to push back.
So, if you’re wondering what YOU can do, even if you can’t get up and march or go out and camp in the cold, here are just a few things. All but one of them are free and only take a little of your time.
I agree with what you’ve said about the majority of officers, and they have an incredibly tough job.
But I think you’d have to also agree that there are rogue elements (human nature) within every police or sheriff’s department, especially, when their behavior is condoned by our political leaders. And, when you combine that with the growing paramilitarism in American police departments, you have a recipe for disaster
For most of my life, I was a huge supporter of the police, believing that they were about fighting crime and protecting the innocent. I always stood ready to assist them in any way I could. But I’ve seen too much of their lawless and abusive behavior, with some real personal consequences for me, and they have now lost my support and are most likely to be viewed as the enemy by me. Sorry to say, but it’s true.
In re nonviolence:
I think that it is very, very rare that you can find times when violence has produced a better world. VERY rare.
Civil disobedience, sure. Protests, marching, refusing to cooperate with the police, absolutely. But violence? Only in self defense, and even then only very reluctantly and measured.
Is it a purist ideal? Sure. But I think we’d all be better off if we could learn to be a little more purist in that way…
We are all shaped by our own experiences, no way around that. There is no defense they can mount for their brutal action against non-violent protest.
Non-violence hasn’t worked so well for the Palestinians. They get overrun no matter what they do.
“Trailer trash” or “gated community trash”?
Which has been more instrumental in changing Israel’s policy towards the Palestinians; the terror attacks mounted by some in Palestine against Israel, or the world’s outrage at seeing over-repressive Israeli responses towards Palestine?
In other words, I’d argue that violence has been LESS effective for the Palestinians than shame and outrage have been. It is always thus: you lose when you lose the hearts and minds, not when you take more losses on the battlefield. And nothing wins more hearts and minds than standing up for what you think is right, even in the face of a gun barrel.
It’s not as satisfying at a primal, lizard-brain level as torching your opponents property and crushing them into the ground. But it is, tactically, the way wars of ideology are won. Almost always, the first to use force, loses.
About the size of things, methinks, ouroborous, very well said.
DW
I think it’s a mistake to assume that all right wing opinion posted on the comment section of news sites represents real people. Many of these “people” are undoubtedly virtual personas operated by PR and lobbying firms, and their pro-plutocracy, pro-police state commentary part of a sophisticated propaganda effort.
Software exists that allows few human operators to manage and deploy armies of realistic looking virtual persons.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4921034
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/
Growing up in New York and watching them create riots during the peaceful demonstrations for civil rights and watching first hand how they treated minorities, I started out in life understanding the police to be my enemy. My police lieutenant uncle I only saw in his uncle clothes and behavior.
Wow, as a UC Davis alum, all I can say is no more money or support from me.
That was just unprofessional behavior on the part of the cops.
To know them is, for the most part, to not love them.
The guys in this video are not NYPD they are pot-bellied campus cops. If any one of them has a masters degree in anything unless it is from a kook pot Christian College I’ll eat my hat.
But seriously I would like to hear your opinion of this over the top para-military transformation of American law enforcement.
So is our president. a lot of good it has done us
It is the Modesto Bee, NOT the SF Bee.
The SF Chronicle has been mostly fair to the Occupy Movement. The Modesto Bee is a very conservative rag I wouldn’t use on the bottom of my bird cage
Please get your facts straight before posting.
More From UC Davis.
Is Occupy Sac Going Too Far?
They have posted a link to personal addy and phone of Lt. Pike, and some info about the Chancellor . . . I’m not sure that’s kewl, it’s something Breitbart would do . . . scroll down the OccSAC FB page for details, I hesitate to link directly to the postings on this . . . could be construed as aiding and abetting . . . I certainly will NOT do a diary on this for the same reason.
We, All of us, know who the terrorists are.
This is the good fight friends!
Rise up and throw off the shackles of tyranny!
They are the pigs and the army of the criminals.
Now is the time for action.
Death to the Dictator!
They cannot withstand the truth it’s Syria in America!
Your mute testimony and suffering exposes them for the trash they are.
America and History will show them to be the terrorists we all despise!
The academe’s Ivory Tower stands tall for the 1%, indeed.
NIce long thread. I even took a nap and you guys are still going. What I meant about the Palestinians is that they try periods of not attacking and periods of attacking and neither works for them. Does that tell us anything about our problem here? What do we do?
The protesters who got pepper-sprayed and held fast are heroes, one and all. The cops? Not so much. Is spraying pepper spray down someone’s throat torture? Nope…they were water-boarding them, perfectly legal, just didn’t have any water handy. Fucking pigs.
Psst. Berkeley is the most academically elite campus in the system. You know the one with all the Nobels, and international renown, whose agricultural research institute UC Davis sprung from, when the state decided to expand the system. [UCLA likewise started as a southern research station for Cal.]
Davis is a great school, and the second oldest in the system, but reality is great too.
[Go Bears!]
How does it go? Ah, yes: Justice delayed is justice denied.
Sir,
I have never seen one cop stop another cop from doing bad things to a non-violent protester exercising his constitutional right to free speech.
You protect your own, at the cost of humanity.
In what universe is this acceptable behavior by people whose mandate is to protect and serve? Maybe in Star Wars, certainly not in any democratic Republic. I have to believe that this is being done to the next generation of future constituents to teach them that they must conform; not to conform to whatever the PTB require of you will result in severe and immediate punishment without a hearing, much less a trial by a jury of your peers. Justice will be meted out by directly by the storm troopers that are sent for you.
I agree, Larue.
Is a Task Force more useful than a Sternly Worded Letter? What a bunch of fascist bureaucrats.
Yep. “Task this.” (That’s a Brooklynism, dear lol.)
Two other observations: 1) it appears this movement is pointing out some of the very negative aspects our society has acquired over the past generations, even though some of these things were not a big part of the original intention. This latest course of abusive police actions have put an exclamation point on the ebbing away of citizens’ basic civil rights! 2) Any “policeman” who acts the way the guy with the pepper spray did in the above video is a sadist and should not be allowed to walk around in public with a gun and a badge. If I were one of those sprayed, I’d sue the hell out the college as well as whoever ordered these stormtroopers in and told them to use chemical warfare against unarmed and non-violent protesters. I wonder, in fact, if the Occupy organization can itself sue.
*bless*
I just watched in ustream a live presser from UCD. It was originally brought to my thru OccSac page from News 10 TV, but THEIR feed had crap vid and no audio.
Hmmm . . . I wonder why.
BUT, some enterprising folks on THAT link/stream posted the UStream link . . .
Can ya believe it, the Chancellor and UCD Chief Of Cops are saying the cops were surrounded, had no way out, and were outnumbered 35 to 200 protesters,.
In order to broker their escape from the clutches of DFH students armed with voices and will, they decided to plow thru the circle of protesters sitting on the ground, baton whip them, separate them, arrest them and the rest who would not budge, were systematically pepper sprayed over and over by LT. Pike and others.
Pike is on vid for opening the mouth of one male protester, and shoving pepper spray down his throat.
This protester was spitting up blood 45 minutes later.
This shit ain’t gonna go away . . . n I’m personally delighted the blow back of this crap might cost the Chancellor her job, and the ratfuck basterd fuck LT his job, too.
Harumph.
Man, if the presser conference from UCD this afternoon that started at 4pm left coast time, makes it to youtube, it will as viral as the vid of the pepper spraying gon round.
This shit is escalating faster n I thot it would.
N then we win.
*G*
Getouttahere. Alreaghtalready. Waddyameanwaddyamean.
End of stohhrrrryyy.
Great language.
*G*
Ann, some great analyzations there on your part . . . well done, ma’am.
Like in the 60′s (where is Lazlo The Water Buffalo when we need him) I’ll bet my last dime the public’s blowback will far and fast outpace the system set up to cope with transgression of the masses.
Lawsuits, courts, all tied up and over burdened like the cops and law enforcement were over burdened in Detroit, LA, Rodney K LA (yes there TWO uprisings in LA) and even back to Selma, Birmingham and such.
Thanks for them thots . . . good ones.
As Mario said, sorta . . . we bind up the wheels and it grinds to a halt from our bodies that we toss upon the machine.
Israel’s policy toward the Palestinians has NOT changed, ouroborous. Israel’s ethnic cleansing, land theft, racist laws, racist attitudes, and crimes against humanity have not only continued for more than 60 years, they have been ACCELERATING.
Israel continues to kill, jail, and terrorize defenseless Palestinians while at the same time stealing Palestinian land and water resources. We are all outraged when police direct pepper spray down the throats of defenseless U.S. students, but somehow give Israel a pass as the “Jewish state” uses U.S. funds and U.S. weapons to carry out its slow motion holocaust against the Palestinians.
Israel considers protest by the Palestinians, including non-violent protest, illegal, and has no compunction about killing or maiming non-violent demonstrators.
If Israel is able to provoke a world-destabalizing war with Iran, then it will find that it has far more than destroying, with presumed, haughty impunity, the Palestinian people … with which to grapple … already the world, beyond the genuflecting bubble of Washington D.C. has come to view Israel as a heartless and ammoral aggressor … plunging that world into the further horrors of another “endless war” will not endear Israel to anyone.
Support for the Palestinian people is growing by the day, as disgust with Israel is growing … both facts arise from the Palestinians pursuit of non-violent resistance in the face of Israel’s increasing violence …
Whatever you may see, others see something very different.
Israel is not winning … it is losing. And, despite all their many losses, the Palestinian people are winning.
Israel is abusing its own people, as protests by Israeli citizens attest.
Israel, like America, has lost its fundamental legitimacy and its increasing violence merely speeds its eventual collapse, the prideful sound and mindless fury which preceeds the fall ….
How ever long it may seem to take.
;~) (blushing)
Indeed.
If this effort to bomb or attack Iran in any way takes to action, we on this planet will be doomed.
It will make the killin of that Duke Ferdinand fella in 1914 and the carnage that evolved (all prodded by bankers and the 1%) look like the 50′s made the 60′s look.
Only global, and far worse.
Any attack on Iran is gonna likely let loose nukes. Be it Israel, US, China, or Russia or Pakistan . . . there’s just no way Iran being attacked by Isreal, or US, won’t lead to major global failure and devastation.
Complete, and utter, devastation.
In this, I believe we are of common thot . .
You have had good words up above, and elsewhere, all the time I’ve been reading yer thots, thanks for each and every one, DW . . .
*bows*
Meant every word.
I don’t know everything, n folks like you and others here at FDL help to close my knowledge gap, daily.
I grow, from your flow . . .
Bless you, and each and ever other FireBagger.
My have I grown . . .
I’ve been thinking about that illegitimate Sooper Conmittee that can’t do anything since Obama put it into motion. I’ve also said that they will have to haul me off to the Insurance Prison because of the Mandate. The more I think about this stuff and what is happen with OWS across this nation the more I admire them for studying Direct Democracy. I don’t see how we can continue to follow the laws and garbage thrown at us from a Government that has not our consent.
The politicians knew it would be a matter of time before people hit the streets. They refused our letters, phone calls, and petitions. The only other way to reach them was and is protest. If they refuse to respond to the citizens they are to govern, then the governed may in fact devise their own government!
Indeed, the Chosen People maybe lost their soul when their government decided they were the Master Race.
Yep, the change is inevitable.
N history proves it.
The 1% would revision, and have since the printed word was formed,
OUR reality.
The Chosen Few have had some bad leadership, going back to The Exodus, in ’46 (no it did NOT start in 48, The Palistineans were burnt in 46).
We agree, indeed . . . and Israeli protests by their masses suggest we are right.
Many Israeli’s love the Palistinean’s and wish to coshare it all. That’s been well documented here at FDL/MyFdl.
Great site, doncha think . . .
I think our government might now be considered illegitimate, if not illegal.
Kris, there a lot of us here at fdl not giving the government of Israel a pass at all. Such as myself. Peddle those wares elsewhere.
Question to law enforcement:
How can you ally yourselves with the 1%?
You only work to guarantee your children and grandchildren will struggle to exist, financed only by their bottom-of-the-barrel wages in their jobs as Walmart greeters or burger-flippers.
Is THIS the world you want for them?
Unless you’re already part of the 1%, then that’s the world you are GUARANTEED to leave to your children.
You should join US. You are part of the 99%.
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the nazi criminals during the Nurmberg trial was explaining also : they was orded to do and “only” executed orders…
This policeman is not better than any gestapo or SS trooper. Shame on him!
And – this means also the end of “the american dream”… sadly.
Keep going, we are looking at you from Europe (France)!
Lieutenant John Pike
530-752-3989
japikeiii@ucdavis.edu
Fuggedaboudit.