Given a boost from Lieutenant Pike, who pepper sprayed UC Davis students over a week ago, students are launching occupations and harnessing the energy of the Occupy movement to call attention to budget cuts and tuition hikes at colleges and universities. They are even organizing an Occupy Student Debt campaign to convince one millions students to refuse to pay back their student loan debt because “student loans should be interest-free; that tuition at all public institutions should be federally funded; that private and for-profit colleges should open their financial records to the public; and students’ ‘debt burden’ should be written off.”
While most were wondering what would happen next to Occupy Philly and Occupy LA, students in the University of California system were taking on the UC Regents at a meeting by teleconference at four separate campuses (UC Davis, UCLA, UC Merced and UC San Francisco), where a spending plan for the coming year was to be passed. Students were hoping to stop the passage of a tuition hike.
The regents, according to Carolyn McMillan of the UC Newsroom, gave students more time than usual to publicly comment on the recent police brutality on the UC Davis campus and issue of rising tuition. Board Chair Sherry Lansing appeared to grasp the weight of student concerns saying, “We hear you and share your concerns…We will march with you side by side on the steps of the Capitol to stop these tuition hikes.” But, the increase passed because the Regents claimed they needed to pass it to maintain university funding.
Students disrupted the meeting forcing the regents to relocate. According to San Jose Mercury News, “20 minutes into the main agenda, students at UC Davis stood up, called a mike check, and said the regents should be meeting to discuss issues such as the greed of banks and the plight of students paying too much for their education.”
UCLA students had camped overnight and were ready to protest. A student told Huffington Post reporter Kathleen Miles, “We no longer see the regents as legitimate. They are appointed instead of elected, they serve for 12 years, and only a couple of them have a background in education.” She added, “With only one student regent versus 18 other regents and no way to veto or recall them, it’s not a democratic system…If there was another way to work with the system other than camping in a tent over night, we would do it.”
Yesterday was a day of general strike at the UC Davis campus. A local news report suggested interest in the strike was lukewarm. The students ended up holding a sit-in in Dutton Hall. About 50 students were there throughout the night, participating in a General Assembly.
On the east coast, City University of New York (CUNY) students held a major demonstration against tuition increases. The student demonstration, which garnered union support, did not stop the CUNY Board of Trustees from passing the increase. Rosie Gray of the Village Voice reported:
The NYPD set up barricades and the school cancelled afternoon classes in anticipation of the protest, which attracted several hundred people including a large union contingent and a sprinkling of recognizable Occupy Wall Street protesters.
Despite the protesters’ efforts, the CUNY board of trustees voted 15 to 1 to raise tuition. The hikes will raise the price of tuition by $300 annually, a 31 percent increase over four years.
Two city councilmen, Ydanis Rodriguez of Washington Heights and Charles Barron of East New York, attended (Rodriguez was injured and arrested by NYPD in the Occupy Wall Street Eviction on November 15).
On Twitter, @StudentActivism tweeted some background, “When CUNY was for poor white kids it was free. Now it reflects the city it serves, & tuition keeps going up” and “CUNY was founded in 1847. Implemented open admissions in 1970. Ended free tuition in 1975.”
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LIVESTREAM FROM OCCUPY LA
12:00 AM Like Occupy Oakland before they were raided, Occupy LA is fortifying the camp (via @punkboyinsf)

10:16 PM I am keeping an eye on Occupy LA. Lisa Derrick is on the ground. If you are going to be following the action, I will be adding a livestream here soon. The situation is escalating. LAPD appears to be planning to go to war against Occupy LA and whatever they do to the occupation they will have the media feeling super vulnerable because they are going to be “outfitted in special protective clothing before the raid.”
LA Weekly has more on how the press have been handled. It is a must-read. There are a lot of clues in the post on how Occupy LA might be handled. LAPD is really going to go in with a big force. People nearby LA really need to go down there to bear witness tonight.
9:10 PM Pretty certain there will be a major police operation tonight and Occupy LA will get evicted. This is being reported now: ”City buses will be staged near City Hall between 8pm-4am tonight. City Employees are being asked allowed to leave early.” (via @OccupyLA)
9:00 PM 2 Occupy Phoenix protesters are cited for… illegal camping
8:55 PM Now Lisa Derrick has an update on the LAPD’s plans for handling press at Occupy LA
7:10 PM Occupy San Diego — Police arrest Ray Lutz, a former congressional candidate, who setup a voter registration table at Civic Center Plaza this afternoon.
7:03 PM In Canada, police branded Occupy Montreal protesters that were arrested with a marker that can only be seen under UV light. This was done without the consent of protesters.
5:28 PM LAPD is using a lottery to decide which press get to be in a “pool” to cover Occupy LA as they conduct whatever police operation they have planned for Occupy LA. LAPD tweeted about this earlier (but you cannot read LAPD tweets because they are protected).
Ruth Fowler of Occupy LA put up a post on this:
This essentially means from now onwards, only a limited number of pre-agreed media endorsed by LAPD are allowed on Solidarity Park (formerly known as City Hall) property to report on Occupy LA and our battles with the LAPD and City Council’s attempts to evict us. I immediately emailed a member of the press who was in this meeting representing a MSM publication, and received this response:
They were only going to let in one media outlet for each medium (print, tv and radio) but we convinced them to let in three….the only media eligible for pool were those who were on the LAPD press release list and able to get to headquarters with an hours notice. So very few were represented at the meeting. I asked about independent radio/blogs and they said that only media with LAPD-issued badges would be allowed in the vicinity. I asked about those already at the camp and they said after the unlawful assembly order everyone who doesn’t leave will be arrested, even those who are journalists. Our attorney was looking into whether there were legal challenges to be made.
5:26 PM LAPD just handed this notice to Occupy LA participants (via @OccupySD)

5:15 PM Luke Rudkowski asks Black Friday shoppers why they are occupying.
5:11 PM Occupy Wall Street to protest the war profiteers tomorrow at 17th Annual Aerospace and Defense Finance Conference.
5:08 PM UC Davis students are still occupying Dutton Hall
5:06 PM Occupy Oakland will try to retake Frank Ogawa Plaza.
4:52 PM Classical music for the 99 percent
4:49 PM In Germany, anti-nuclear protesters are pepper sprayed.
4:41 PM Yes, Occupy Philly and Occupy LA still occupying. They haven’t been moved out by police yet. Threat of eviction still hangs over occupations. And it looks like Occupy DC could be facing eviction soon too.
4:24 PM Write-up on Amy Goodman’s interview with pepper spray developer on Democracy Now! this morning. I transcribed some of Kamran Loghman’s remarks and then went ahead wrote a paragraph that includes every instance of pepper spray use on Occupy protesters that I could find. If I missed one, let me know.
1:06 PM Revelations on how the state of Tennessee handled Occupy Nashville: before the camp was cleared and protesters began to be arrested, the state had billed them for the use of state troopers. The total bill, according to AP was $1,045.
Also, Jeff Woods of NashvilleScene.com posts on the emails that AP obtained on internal conversations around the curfew the state tried to arbitrarily impose on occupiers:
After announcing the 10 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew at Legislative Plaza, Thaddeus E. Watkins — attorney for the state Department of General Services — sent an email to the state attorney general’s office.
“Fun time has started,” Watkins wrote.
Yes, the laughter is killing us! Jailing idealistic young demonstrators and trampling on free-speech rights — it doesn’t get any more hilarious than that.
11:45 AM Police presence at DC occupations — in Freedom Plaza and McPherson Square — are increasing. Though, thirty minutes ago, @OccupyKSt tweeted, “All’s well at McPherson Square. Police were on scene to remove a person who has consistently been violating both legal and camp guidelines.”
11:11 AM Why Occupy protests:
11:03 AM Four were arrested at protests at the Wasthington state capitol. Three of the protesters there were tased. The police spokesperson claims the tasers were used on people trying to enter the building after it had closed. Also, in this article, it is reported that a protester bit an officer in the arm. Not sure if that really happened or not.
11:01 AM Report on the Occupy protests in the Washington state capitol building yesterday during a special session being held to deal with the state’s budget. Two thousand, at least, occupied the capitol.
9:49 AM Say hello to a new occupation: Occupy Peoria in Illinois. They just spent their first night occupying. Anyone near Peoria is encouraged to go to the camp and give the PM shift some relief in the AM.
9:45 AM First Occupy Long Beach protester convicted of the heinous crime of “park camping.” Fourteen others face charges of “park camping.” Don’t let these menaces near public parks in your area. They are liable to start up a peaceable assembly against something going on in the world that they do not like.
9:40 AM Occupy Raleigh is paying rent to camp — I am not sure any camp should be doing this. The Occupy movement is about reclaiming or taking space. It is about the idea that citizens have a right to public space to occupy and voice grievances against government. Having to pay money to hold a 24/7 camp is antithetical to the movement’s spirit, it would seem.
9:38 AM Allison Kilkenny’s report on the CUNY students’ demonstration and march against increasing the cost of tuition yesterday.
9:32 AM Rob Kall, editor-in-chief of OpEdNews, friend and a former mentor of mine, is based in Philadelphia and wrote about the impending Occupy Philly eviction. He put it nicely:
This eviction process has hit many of the biggest Occupy Wall Street locations. I don’t think it forebodes the end of the movement. Rather, it signifies a new stage that will emerge. Think of it as similar to a caterpillar going into a cocoon. The activity seems to cease. Time passes, and then, an incredible, magical metamorphosis occurs and a butterfly or moth emerges, ready to fly instead of walk.
There were many signs at Occupy Philly stating “the movement is an idea that cannot be evicted.” If you’ve seen caterpillar cocoons, you know how dingy and grey they can look. You don’t see the incredible transformation happening inside. I am certain that the Occupy movement is going through a metamorphosis stage– one that will shock and amaze the world– one that will take the movement to a higher, soaring level.



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Why no coverage of the occupation by Occupy Washington (Seattle, Bellingham, Tacoma, Olympia) of the Washington State Capitol, Kevin? That was kinda a big deal.
Gooood Morning, Occupy Peoria!
Stand Strong!
Trevor Griffey, Olympia Newswire: Occupy the Capitol: The Next Stage in the Occupy Movement
Cops Pull TASERs On Protesters Occupying Washington State Capital!
Rachel La Corte, KATU: 3 protesters hit with Taser at Occupy protest at state Capitol
BRYAN DEAN, TIFFANY GIBSON and MICHAEL KIMBALL, The Oklahoman: Occupy OKC protesters stay in park after deadline
Student debt isn’t high enough, so have to accelerate increases in tuitions.
How else to drive out the 99% from the elite universities that manage the networks of power?
The world’s current ruling elites have totally failed the vast majority of the world’s population.
…Well, just getting started TarheelDem. I’ll get to it…
Kalle Lasn has to be taken out of the Occupy movement completely. His alleged antisemitism is being used as a cudgel against the entire movement. I personally believe that he is antisemitic. When you list, as he did, the number and percentage of American Jews who are neoconservatives, that involves attacking people based purely on their ethnic/religious backgrounds. Yesterday’s New York Times article about Lasn really was profoundly saddening. It is a shame that an individual who is at least a borderline bigot (though also a media genius) may become the leading individual face of Occupy. Even if Lasn is not antisemitic, he has become poison to Occupy. I also believe that Lasn (and his detractors) are engaging in puffery when it is claimed that he and Adbusters are responsible for sparking Occupy. Yes, Adbusters came up with the great hashtag “Occupy Wall Street.” But this was a movement waiting to happen in the U.S., as it did in previous months throughout the world.
what is going on with NY occupy? has it fallen apart?
Occupying Overpasses all around LA:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2011/11/abolish-corporate-personhood-la.html
Bay Area’s next.
I suggest starting with this link and the links within the link to the NYCGA to get information about current status of NY Occupy.
http://www.nycga.net/
I am not sure if I would say it fell apart. Brookfield Properties private security and NYPD have made Zuccotti Park a place that is a chore to occupy. People are subject to unreasonable searches and seizure. In the park, there are limits to what food or drink you can have, the items or materials you can carry, etc, that are authoritarian and have little to do with health and safety and more to do with Brookfield and the city wanting the occupation to be no more.
So, the occupiers are now supporting other protests. They are at CUNY student demonstrations. Some are even going to other occupations. I’ve seen a few occupiers I was following at Occupy Philly. I know some went to Occupy New Haven in Connecticut.
There still is a regular GA and actions under the Occupy Wall Street banner are still happening. But the occupation has evolved.
Fuck the fact that THEY OWN THE BUILDING.
They raised salaries while raising tuition? OMFG. These people are perverse.
More form the lazy and unmotivated “We want something for nothing” crowd……who would have guessed.
No problem. I just wanted to bring it to your attention.
The movement must have struck a nerve again.
But can they keep their donated tents?
An essay (in a series of tweets) on transparency from @caulkthewagon:
OWS
Time to organize and get candidates on the ballot in the coming elections… especially the presidential race.
I am a registered Independent and I would vote for an OWS-third party candidate.
I refuse to ever again vote for a Democrat or Republican. There are lots of voters like me who are fed up with the corrupt political partys.
Oragnize… or lose your place in history.
Pretty interesting.
I can understand. I have sat in on a number of General Assembly meetings but felt like I was intruding or doing something unethical. I’ve thought, “Why don’t I just ask an occupier tomorrow what they decided at their meeting?” Of course, we ask all decision-making bodies in the United States to have open meetings rules or guidelines. Shouldn’t the GAs for occupations be open to press too? Always?
I still don’t think Occupy should run candidates, even if they are Independent or third party yet. I don’t think they are up to the challenge of running candidates. They are still working to define a vision for what Occupy can accomplish. Each occupation is having this discussion but they are taking their time and figuring out what they want to put down in writing as they respond to issues in their community.
I refuse to vote for a Corrupt Democrat or a Corrupt Republican.
OWS… organize or forfeit your place in history.
Start with a OWS-third party presidential candidate.
Until a few chinks are put in the corrupted system of moneyed elections, it would be only symbolic to have campaigns for office … yet.
Build the coalition of voters who are sympathetic to you, THEN put up some candidates. Probably start local with city councils and school boards and county legislatures, etc.
A true grass-roots movement has to grow its way up from the bottom.
OT, but site-related:
Did anybody else get a browser Security Certificate warning when trying to read Dissenter posts before logging in to FDL? Once I logged in warning went away.
(It was along the lines of, the certificate is only good for members.firedoglake.com and http://www.firedoglake.com, but NOT for dissenter.firedoglake.com.)
not the first time…there is an incredible bloat of administrators growing like the most aggressive tumor you’ve ever seen since the 90s. Which btw coincides with the sunset of the “predictable and manageable increase” clause in CA’s education charter. IOW, Regents are parasites on the state college student body.
here is some research for those who are interested.
http://www.uclafaculty.org/FASite/Admin._Growth.html
There are hundreds of general assemblies across the US. What exactly do you mean by “organize”? These general assemblies are spending an extraordinary amount of time organizing a movement.
Without a fundamental change in the way that voters get to discuss political issues outside of the distractions of the Wall Street Media, any third party that wants to win is caught up in the same money chase that corrupts the two major parties. That problem has to be dealt with first. For that to happen requires major growth of insiders actually involved in the movement.
Not for FDL, but I got a security certificate warning last night for Twitter. That was a real WTF experience.
Even though 99% of the time these sorts of errors are innocent enough due to a server misconfiguration or something (a lot of “big” websites use akami to provide more resources if too much traffic for instance, etc.), we need to remember to dust off our tin-foil hats every so often.
I don’t think that general assembly meetings are an issue, except when the group is so small that they think they can do without work groups. And I don’t feel a problem talking about specific groups. The one’s I have talked about — Atlanta, Mobile for example — quickly saw the problem that I was seeing and are stronger for having dealt with it.
And I think the claim that one is a demonstration of what is possible puts an additional burden of transparency on the operations of the movement.
There are two concerns that I have heard about transparency: the harassment of the press either for information or claims of hypocrisy; the vulnerability that transparency puts a movement in with respect to those who want to shut it down.
So far the response of the movement to both of those concerns is increase the transparency (sometimes much unwanted) of the existing institutions. That is essentially what Wikileaks did with international diplomacy. None of those memos fooled any member of any diplomatic community, but the citizens who pay the salaries of those diplomats are out of the loop. Likewise with the efforts by the US Chamber of Commerce to carry out information war against those who seek a different agenda from Congress. And PERF.
The Nashville Scene’s discovery in the Tennessee administration’s emails are stunning.
Either that is going to be selectively enforced or there are going to be a lot of surprised tourists.
The classic EXCUSE for doing NOTHING… put out by Corrupt Democratic and Corrupt Republican defenders.
I am a registered Independent. I will vote for a third party candidate. I COULD CARE LESS how much money they spend or dont spend. I can think for myself.
Your third party is going to be swamped in the media carpet bombing of the two major parties. Well, most votes are symbolic these days anyway. What is clear is that a third party candidate will not win unless he/she is independently wealthy.
I’m not sure that several hundred Occupy Wall Street general assemblies and more every week can be classed as doing nothing. Especially because a bunch of them are meeting daily, and all of them are meeting weekly.
The days when the only participation one needed in politics was in electoral campaigns is over. That is, if you want your activity to actually change policy.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/11/29/latest-occupysupply-update-coats-arrive/
Message from the Dean Regarding November 18, 2011 Incident
Another attempt to identify leaders and members of “a group”
Mic Check on Gov. John Hickenlooper by Occupy Colorado Springs – Nov. 29, 2011 (skip to 9:30)
LAPD City Hall Park Closure Notice
Damian Ortellado, The Daily Californian: Gov. Brown requests review of police use of force guidelines
Occupy Peoria
The workday shift.
Occupy New Hampshire 11/27/11 Occupy Plymouth open mic
it maybe doing something, but nothing constructive. Besides you have support Obama as a lesser evil as long as I have known you, and still do on other websites. Why would you have any interest in them organizing against your preferred candidate.
test is there a reason this website does not do proper replies for any other browser besides internet exploder.
comment 68 was a response to tarheeldem.
This was done with Firefox. It works from a reply link at the bottom right.
Exactly how is Occupy Wall Street doing nothing constructive? If folks look at the issues instead of the teams, they are more likely to make decisions independent of the two-party frame. And that could offer an environment in which a third party candidate could win.
You raise a valid question about where do I stand now relative to Obama and the Democratic Party. I have been a yellow-dog Democrat all of my life (it comes with the territory) and have accustomed myself to Hobson’s choices. I have hoped that my meager 1 vote when added to others might have an effect.
My opinion right now is that the 2012 election is currently irrelevant to what we get for a government. The system is now that much broken. And that it takes more than electing a President to get the policies you want enacted. The system is broken in all three branches of government and at the federal, state, and local levels. It is broken enough that it’s become obvious to folks who have previously been apolitical.
I know it’s a shock that Occupy Wall Street turned out not to be co-optable by parties or ideologies. Democrats certainly have discovered that, though they are still pumping it. Ron Paul has discovered that. All sorts of socialists and anarchists have discovered it. Republicans and corporations will try to co-opt it commercially with “OWSer chic” just like they did hippie chic in the 1960s. And those who sought to use it as a way to defeat Obama are now discovering it. And so the Occupy Wall Street movement is getting criticism on all sides from folks who essentially are political wonks of one sort or another.
I just suggest that folks who want to know how to build a real working class grassroots movement go out there and get on the open mic at your local Occupy Wall Street group and give your opinion about what the issues are and what solutions you see. And talk to your neighbors.
In 2012, the choice will be between grassroots power moving the election or money moving the election. If money wins, it doesn’t matter what label is on the winner, the policy is bought and paid for. That’s what the Citizens United decision has done. We are talking a multi-billion-dollar media carpet-bombing campaign on the minds of voters. Occupy Wall Street groups aim to get people away from their television sets so they can think.
I know that is probably not a satisfying or simple answer, but that’s how I see it. These times are no longer even marginally workable with a business-as-usual approach.
Nice reply.
Jesse Hagopian Attempts a Citizen’s Arrest of Washington State House At Olympia
Concur.
The way General Assemblies work consensus would have to be reached to be all Obot-ish. Doesn’t compute with the amount of “Fuck Obama” signs I have seen locally, for one thing, not to mention absolute dissociation from politics-as-usual.
Additionally it is inexplicable, and irreconcilable to me, that if Occupy was an Obot front, that the worst offenses against Occupy IMO have been accomplished by Democratic Mayors; Portland, Oakland, Denver, etc.
Occupy Philadelphia livestream
My other point was that Occupy is not a “Fuck Obama” front either. For the same reason of the way that general assemblies work and the different distribution of folks who show up at them. Some GAs were started by anarchists, some by socialists, some by Obama supporters, some by MoveOn activists, some by Ron Paul supporters, some by Greens, some by disaffected Republicans, some by folks who were previously apolitical, and one or two by Tea Party folks angry at Congress and “Tea Party” politicians they feel co-opted the movement. In all cases, they soon find that they either be faithful to the GA method or the group starts to fail.
The other part of it is that to rapidly build a large Facebook following the conversations have to be open to a wide variety of points of view.
Occupy Easton (PA), Occupy Allentown, Occupy Bethlehem:
Phillip Molnar, Lehigh Valley Live: Occupy movement protests outside North Whitehall Township foreclosure
Goldy, TheStranger: SLOG: Olympia Occupiers Retake State Capitol
Ariel Shearer, The Phoenix: This is what a journalist getting evicted from an Occupy Boston meeting looks like
It is interesting to me that the epithet of choice for folks who don’t like the decision of a general assembly or a working group is that Occupy Wall Street is being hypocritical about transparency or consensus and is engaging in censorship.
That really turns out frequently to be a form of extortion to get certain behavior out of the group. The pique at this incident for me is a tell that the reporter was there to get a scoop, one that no matter how fairly reported might disadvantage Occupy Boston in a coming court battle over eviction. Or the information might make it impossible for Occupy Boston to relocate to some other property if evicted.
@31 there is a series of tweets from @caulkthewagon regarding this incident.
Living in two worlds at the same time does not bless one with consistency. Moralists and purists will find that difficult to struggle with. But sooner of later other Occupy Wall Street locations will experience this same dilemma.
Simone Wilson, LA Weekly: Occupy L.A. Eviction: Is LAPD Restricting Coverage With Last-Minute ‘Pool Media’?
More from @caulkthewagon:
Seriously well put.
Great response TD, but i disagree that the system is broken. It may appear to be broken on the surface, and for regular people, but it is a well oiled machine doing the bidding of the 1%. Every disaster or emergency has been seen as an opportunity to further their neoliberal and disaster Capitalism goals.
Stacy Davis, WRAL: Businessman charges Occupy Raleigh $400 a month to camp
What possibly could go wrong?
Good point, wayoutwest, but I would argue that if the 1% think they are getting away with it, they will be shocked when reality intervenes. There are in fact disasters that even the 1% can’t exploit. And what got people thinking the system was broken was seeing the 1% driving the systems exactly and precisely into these sorts of disasters. Short-term profiteering is catching up with them.
Pizza donors, this one’s for you. Plus call any Peoria folks you know. This is a symbolically strategic location.
Occupy and mic-check seem to be the “Disasters” the 1% didn’t anticipate. I’m looking forward to this unforseen irritant exposing the PTBs festering disease.
Occupy Chicago wants you to save the date April 7, 2011
Western Pennsylvania, Eastern Ohio folks
Like it or not, the Occupy movement has always billed itself as one that is transparent and open to the public. That public includes the media – and those who cling so desperately to the First Amendment to justify their occupation ought to remember that the founders valued the freedom of the press, as well.
Do the ends justify the means? Here in Portland, I have heard the same story about meetings being held in private and the flow of information restricted so as not to inform the police. The protesters have the right to do this if they wish, but they should consider that it is NOT transparent, is NOT open, and is NOT inclusive. I wonder how the public will react to a supposedly leaderless movement that actually creates internal hierarchy with an informal system of information classification based on trust networks.
Occupy Indiana University occupies Kelly School of Business
It depends on what checks and balances general assemblies have on those trust networks. It is not a dilemma that can be glossed over by demanding philosophical purity. Reality of operating with human beings who are the products of this system in the midst of the system’s hostility has intruded on the visions of alternative ways of doing things.
It is an issue that every location will have to grapple with as a general assembly. And each location will either get it right or not. And will muddle through or not.
A similar thing is going on with the general assembly in large groups. And the people’s mic.
The public is not likely to be worried with the inconsistencies as those who wish it to fail. After all, the public has been pretty tolerant of Congress under the circumstances.
The realities of our economic and political life will drive the public to participation in the movement. Or they won’t. In which case the revolutionary moment will have passed.
You can’t whomp up a revolution that is not there. You can only give sociological form to the revolution that is there. And give it your best effort.
Okay… I am paying close attention to Occupy LA. I will likely be launching a live blog later tonight. I am going to stay up and follow the action.
I think this is related to @87:
Thanks. I need to catch up with some zzz’s.
I will try to be up 6am-7am or so to pick up any reports after 3am PT.
Sara Story, NBC DFW: Group Wants to UNoccupy UNT
This clarifies it:
I’ve been reading several write ups about the Government refusing to give Manning’s Attorney Discovery so he can defend. Also, that his Attorney will be calling on 50 witnesses. I am not sure if Lamo is included in that 50, but the refusal by the DOJ and Military to honor the requests is telling.
How is DOJ involved? I thought it was totally a UCMJ procedure.
I’ll be up with you. Have a change of schedule going on here at the Homestead.
Well, the Attorney is very concerned that Obama made public statements regarding the guilt of Manning without him even stating evidence or the Kid having a trial. It will fall into that realm due to comments from the Prez in public.
Michael Auslen and Mark Keierleber, Indiana Daily Student: Police respond, arrest protesters at Kelley School of Business
I’ll run back and see if I can pull one of the links over for you.
Here is one. Actually, it is really strange that this publication gets so much info on the subject. They are the ones that broke the Manning/Lamo story to begin with. Rotten fish? Yeah, I thought so too.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/manning-defense-strategy/
To all Occupy Locations:
“Good Night and Good Luck”
I’m out for the night.
I think they might have OccupyLA on Global Revolution stream:
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
OccupytheHouse Occupy The House
#ows
for live streaming of the situation at #occupyla tune into @oakfosho live stream bit.ly/w0ZILA
3 minutes ago
http://www.ustream.tv/occupyoakland
katz Andrew Katz
RT @jcstearns Reminder: Use #JournArrest to tag any reports of journalists being detained tonight. #OccupyLA #OWS
4 minutes ago
Dameocrat…
Interesting…
So this person is an Obama supporter.
I’m starting to get a very very bad feeling about OWS and what they are REALLY up to.
I got a litany of classic corrupt political party excuses to my comments and suggestions here on this thread… very worrisome.
Menino Moves to Remove ‘Occupy Boston’
City Asks Judge To Act
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/29884816/detail.html
court proceeding on Thursday
Your comment is nothing more than CLASSIC corrupt political party excuses for maintaining the status quo.
For an organization claiming to be working for change [end the status quo] this just DOES NOT JIVE.
Something is wrong here.
That’s a great livefeed … really sensible reports.
You do realize that presidential candidates primary filing deadlines are past for the first few states already, right?
5PM October 28th was New Hampshire for instance.
And every week the deadlines continue to pass.
More excuses.
This would be obvious that something needs to be done NOW.
But instead of actually doing something… it appears all you are doing is making excuses.
Something is very very wrong here.
Well, go register to run in New Hampshire then and tell us your result.
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
OWS is “supposed” to be about change but your comments make a mockery of that claim.
It now appears that OWS is about maintaining the status quo.
OWS is supposed to be able to change the Secretary of State of NH filing deadlines? And that means OWS supports the status quo somehow?
OK. Whatever you say.
Please see THD’s reply at #72.
Just saying, you seem to be new around here, and trying to attack someone like THD who has spent literally HUNDREDS OF HOURS monitoring Twitter and Livestreams and media reports and aggregating info about OWS since it began in September is not going to get you any popularity points.
Since I’ve also spent many long hours on “monitor duty” (at least until the last couple weeks when I’ve been swamped at work), I can state that “OWS” is not a single person or a conventional organization that has a pre-set “agenda” in the conventional sense.
Each occupy location is autonomous and composed of many diverse individuals who may have many different personal agendas. There are people from all sorts of backgrounds and philosophies, ranging from avowed socialists and anarchists to Ron Paul Libertarians and even in some places people from the early Tea Party movement before it was co-opted by the GOP. There are Christians, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, and more. There are whites, blacks, Hispanics, Chinese, Palestinians, Greeks, etc.
All of these diverse individuals are coming together and through the direct democracy process of the General Assembly, are figuring out their combined “agenda” as they go along.
It’s a true grass-roots movement that rejects the top-down hierarchical organization imposed on society by the controlling 1%.
All they know is that the entire political & financial system is broken & corrupted, and they want everybody else to admit that as well. Once enough people admit that, maybe we can all come together as a society and try some other path that might be better.
Some other movement inspired by OWS may very well come along and decide to engage in electoral politics, but it is early yet, it’s only 2-1/2 months since the movement began after all. Have patience.
You are a classic gameplayer-wordplayer and a defender of the status quo.
Is that what OWS is about?
Let’s try again.
Do you think it is possible to get any candidate – ANY CANDIDATE – at this time and date, on a primary ballot in NH, IA, or FL in 2012?
Yes something is wrong.
That is why people are in the streets after all.
If you are that concerned that OWS should heed your views, go find your nearest occupation and get in the stack for open mic and express your opinions.
Look, is it about time to call “sympathy troll” here or what?
Or might it be YOU who has some undisclosed agenda here?
Hate to break this to you but I have been a citizen of this country sinse I was born and that was a while ago.
I am now very concerned that OWS is a front for the 1% owned Corrupt Democrats… a scam… whose purpose is the pacify the American people and make them feel that someone is standing up to the 1%… when in fact OWS is for maintaining the status quo.
It is now looking like the OWS movement has USED it’s supporters, and all their time and effort and passion for some devious scheme to protect the corrupt political partys.
EVERY comment here by OWS “operatives” has been a blatent attempt ot maintain the status quo and NO ONE is advocating any REAL change of any kind.
In case you hadnt noticed… 87%… let me repeat that…87% of the American people dissaprove of congress. The American people are WAY AHEAD of you.
Have patience… are you kidding me… thats the classic wail the corrupt political politicians… intended to neuter any real change.
Something is very wrong here.
The largest block of voters in the country are now Independents. I am one of them. We are ready and willing to vote for candidates OTHER than corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans.
You only mention the 3 states where the filing date has passed… but you obviously fail to mention the 47… yes 47 where it has not.
Why would you not mention the 47 states where it is still possible? Because obviously you prefer the STATUS QUO.
Something is very wrong here.
Oh the Dems & their front organizations like MoveOn have been trying to co-opt this ever since it got some traction, mostly by trying to hitch their wagons to OWS, but I find the idea that a bunch of anarchists is taking orders from the DNC really laughable.
If I’m an “operative” I guess I need to ask my masters in DC for a raise, as 3 years of living mostly on peanut butter and canned soup is getting kind of tiring here.
A sympathy troll… thats exctly the type of inane comment one would expect to read on the Huf P. Is that all you can come up with.
I am a life long liberal/progressive and an ex-Democrat who re-registered as an Independent.
Like most Americans I and totally fed up the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans and their 1% corruptors.
I want REAL CHANGE… not some scheme to protect the status quo.
Whats going on here?
I want real change too… but I can only speak for myself, not anyone else.
Break up the big banks?
Reimpose Glass-Stegal?
Abolish “corporate personhood”?
Ban professional lobbyists?
Public financing of all election campaigns?
Term limits in Congress?
End all the wars & downsize the DoD?
That’s probably my less radical list…
If you can figure out how OWS running a 3rd-party candidate can accomplish any of that, please run down to your nearest GA and tell them all about it.
Back to tonight’s action
JimMacMillan Jim MacMillan
Dozens of police vehicles at #OccupyPhilly pic.twitter.com/7klIlphf
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#OCCUPYWALLSTREET
OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Livestream team at #globalrevoultion is bringing you @OccupyPhilly & @OccupyLA police actions live: globalrevolution.tv
#ows
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Dicey Troop
DiceyTroop Dicey Troop
Some pretty crisp live video from Philly: abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?i…
// @OakFoSho at @OccupyLA: ustream.tv/occupyoakland
3 minutes ago
It would be just like all the mayors co-ordinating to get us all watching LA, while instead something might go down in Philly instead?
PhillyWeekly PhillyWeekly
Police have all entrances to Rittenhouse blocked off #occupyphilly
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Dustin M. Slaughter
DustinSlaughter Dustin M. Slaughter
#OccupyPhilly leaves #RittenhouseSquare marches down 17th towards Spruce. “You! Can’t! Evict an idea!” #ows lockerz.com/s/160740822
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PhillyWeekly
PhillyWeekly PhillyWeekly
Heading back to Rittenhouse. Going to try a different entrance. #occupyphilly
theriaultpdx Denis C. Theriault
Love that @OakFoSho just asked a police commander “how many schoolbooks” an unmarked Dodge Durango costs. #OPDX #OccupyLA
10 minutes ago
OccupySaltLake Occupy Salt Lake
Commander Smith has advised that #LAPD raid will not happen before midnight. ustream.tv/occupyoakland
#occupyla #OWS #OSLC #O99
5 minutes ago
JimMacMillan Jim MacMillan
I walked outside the perimeter and can’t get back to the press area because I don’t have a credential – #OccupyPhilly XD
2 minutes ago
OccupySaltLake Occupy Salt Lake
Crowd growing in front of police line cbsnews.com/video/watch/?i…
#occupyla #OSLC #OWS #O99
3 minutes ago
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2n&tag=watchnow
OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Wow, elderly woman @ #OccupyLA just gave very cogent argument agnst military spending while riot police enter camp. globalrevolution.tv
2 minutes ago
http://globalrevolution.tv/
JoshuaHol Joshua Holland
Wow…RT @ProgresivTeachr: Actual quote from KCAL9, “We made an agreement with LAPD to not give away their tactics.”#OccupyLA #OWS
2 minutes ago
JoshuaHol Joshua Holland
RT @ProgresivTeachr: KCAL9 just referred to #OccupyLA as “Antagonists” #OWS
3 minutes ago
…yep just like when journalists got embedded with troops in Iraq and could only spread propaganda
Bravo…
If you believe in those things then we agree on most issues.
But I would add one very important thing… and it’s not a small matter.
We MUST break the back of the corrupt two party system…the corrpt Democtrats and corrupt Republcans can no longer be allowed to run the country. And that is NOT a small difference of opinion… because until we do that… NOTHING WILL CHANGE… NOTHING.
What good is the effort if the same corrupt “leaders” are running the country. Why would they change if we keep reelecting them? Reelecting them is rewarding them for what they are doing… thats crazy.
OWS needs to take the next step… of nominating candidates to take on these corrupt organizations… NOW as in right NOW.
I have been a big time supporter of OWS… but with that said…I do not intend to allow myself to be played. Either OWS is for real change or their not.
I’m really hoping they are for real… believe me I am really hoping.
I accept that you only speak for yourself.
katz Andrew Katz
“It’s an example of how poor our city is that our cops have to use bicycles as barricades” – from #OccupyPhilly live feed
3 minutes ago
Heck, before OWS came along I was convinced the country would fall to corporo-fascism and probably violent revolution after a number of years.
So actually this whole idea of non-violent resistance movement is kinda new to me. Lotta IRA supporters in my family tree as most of them were Boston Irish. So the possible analogy that comes to me is that while the political movement Sinn Fein attended to the nitty-gritty political and social changes, the IRA was out there making a direct stand against oppression.
It is also that background and the tragedy of the bloodshed of the Irish Troubles that makes me pray that a non-violent movement can make a difference.
So what I think is needed is the OWS-analogue to Sinn Fein to somehow emerge. But I don’t see that in time to make a real difference in 2012.
OccupyLA #OccupyLA
All entrances but corner of 1st and Broadway are blocked by #LAPD. Come downtown NOW to peacefully support #OccupyLA during #OLARaid ~XS
3 minutes ago
reclaimuc reclaim UC
Total militarization. 900 riot police to evict #OccupyLA.
3 minutes ago
OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
Live stream from LA Times building ustream.tv/channel/lat1te…
#SolidarityPark #OLA #Occupyla @OccupyLA @OccupyNewark @OccupyEarth @OccupyLSX
3 minutes ago
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lat1test
OccupyRaleigh Occupy Raleigh
RT: @ScottSwezey: @KPCCLive 16 busses of cops arrived at #OccupyLA. Media told to leave. on.fb.me/tplEdf
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Occupy The House
OccupytheHouse Occupy The House
@oakfosho i’m seeing here on twitter that 10 min warning has been issued #occupyla
4 minutes ago
RT_com RT
BREAKING: Hundreds of police start removing #occupyphilly tents; Rittenhouse, City Hall cordoned off by riot cops, bike cops – @OccupyPhilly
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Occupy Philadelphia
OccupyPhilly Occupy Philadelphia
hundreds of police removing tents #occupyphilly chanting “who do you prot5ect? who do you serve?”
43 minutes ago
OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Hearing from @OccupyPhilly livestream that hundreds more have marched 2 park but r being kept out by bike police: globalrevolution.tv
#ows
3 minutes ago
Sorry… I still dont hear you advocating for any type of real change.
“But I don’t see that in time to make a real difference in 2012″… so you are claiming that no change is possible for the next 5 years…?… until the next presidential election in 2016 ?
Twitter for anything related to Occupy LA seems to be overloaded
I no longer believe that any Presidential election under the current system will ever result in a large amount of change, barring a further economic collapse (Europe? we waiting …)
I think some slight alteration of the trajectory might be possible between now and the next election. Hopefully it would then start a self-sustaining and growing trend.
Eventually enough chinks might be put in the system to allow a 3rd-party to actually stand a chance.
ScottSwezey Scott Swezey
Busses maybe on the move, says KTLA5. Chopper in a bad position to confirm. #OccupyLA #OLARaid
6 minutes ago
changoland Chango
Dodger Stadium currently being used as a staging area for the #LAPD eviction mission, as of now still no mass movements. #OccupyLA #OLARaid
6 minutes ago
Miyamoto Musashi, Japan’s legendary swordsman, wrote “do nothing that is of no use.”
I firmly believe there is no one anywhere in the US that could run as an independent on a platform of getting money out of politics, curtailing corporate rights and power, and relieving our vast wealth inequity, using a tiny fraction of the funding that will go to the corporate puppets in the two major parties, and win the Presidential election. Our election system is rigged, and so is the political climate. Creating the change this country needs will take years of grassroots effort, at minimum. Your insistence to the contrary does not impress me.
If you want to know what Occupy is really about and how it functions, and you can’t figure it out from the volumes of information that have by now been compiled and published by the media, I direct you to your nearest Occupation, where you can meet the actual people who are actually protesting in person and talk to them about your ideas for fixing America. Leveling ridiculous, unsubstantiated accusations at the movement through this blog will accomplish nothing whatsoever.
The fact that we are unable to distinguish you from a concern troll should give you pause for thought. That pause, if it exists, may be the only thing that saves your credibility.
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23OLAraid
main OccupyLA twitter too full so checking this one
If OWS and it’s followers do not believe change is possible… which has now been stated… then that quote would apply to you.
Please dont tell me you said to to check the “Media” for information as to who you really are. I will refer to… reality… what peopele are actually doing and saying as my guide.
What OWS people are saying here… is that change is NOT POSSIBLE. That speaks for itself.
OccupyLAbot OccupyLA Bot
RT @OccupyLA Watch LIVE FOOTAGE of the #OLARaid at #OccupyLA here: n0.gd/uE093E
Police numbers are growing. #OWS ~XS
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Penny
Penny_G Penny
RT @neontommy: RT @Waltarrrrr: Organizers are asking occupiers to FALL BACK to City Hall and not be drawn out. @OccupyLA #olaraid #ascj
3 minutes ago
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Erratic™ Clothing Co
ErraticClothing Erratic™ Clothing Co
RT @OccupyLA: The exit for the south lawn is through the east and west along temple we recommend people go east to alemeda #olaraid 11:48
3 minutes ago
And another thing… if we keep reelecting the same corrupt politicians over and over and over… then that quote would again apply to you.
“We” here on this board are the FDL community.
“OWS people” are out in the streets and parks.
There is only a small amount of direct overlap, as most of us in the FDL community have not been physically to an occupation or GA session. The best most of us who cannot physically be there can do is remotely monitor and make comment on things as they develop.
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that “we” are the “secret inner circle of OWS” or something?
And one last thing…
If a third party candidate ran for president on the platform stated above by ny40s… would you vote for that person. I would.
So if I would and ny40s would vote for them… and I assume you would?… then that means that 3 out of 3 of us would vote for that person. Again 87% of the American people despise our congress [government] that also speaks for itself. The will of the people is there… we just need candidates to vote for. But apparently OWS has no interest in that ?
ericasnippsalot Erica Camacho
#occupyla buses are on their way. #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Jay Kelly
jaykelly26 Jay Kelly
So I see DHS has arrived @ #OLARaid whos gonna be the 1st #occupy protestor arrested by the Fed`s? #occupyLA
3 minutes ago
“But apparently OWS has no interest in that ?”
At this stage, from the best that I have been able to observe, no.
There have been debates about the issue raised at various occupy sites, but the general position at present still seems to be that “Job #1″ is still waking up that mass of the people who are disgusted and making them OPENLY ADMIT TO THEMSELVES the extent of the systemic political corruption; too many of them still think that they have to “vote for the lesser of two evils” and such.
OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
#SolidarityPark surrounded 12:15 AM #OLARaid
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Liza Sabater
blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @Geniusbastard: LAPD is surrounding the camp. No warning. Crowd chants “We are the 99%!” #OLAraid #OccupyLA #OLA
2 minutes ago
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OccupyPlanet
OccupyP OccupyPlanet
One protestor asks for name He is being arrested. see it live cbsloc.al/rE4x6I
#olaraid #occupylaraid Stop resisting cops say
2 minutes ago
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Occupy Rene
OccupyRene Occupy Rene
There’s these really weird looking cops wearing what looks like white hazard suits. WTF #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Liza Sabater
blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @betro: the doors of City Hall just swung open & riot police poured out like a bad video game. #OccupyLA #OLAraid #ola
3 minutes ago
fowlerruth Ruth Fowler
Kettled #occupyla #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Colin Young
FHProd Colin Young
@oakfosho they came out of city hall at the same time the busses showed up #ows #oo #occupyla #solidarity #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Sarah Morgan
djsarahspin Sarah Morgan
What’s up with the hazmat suits? must be the “health and sanitation” #LAPD #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Catherina
Catherina_News Catherina
RT @OWSLosAngeles: 12:15 AM officers in white jump suits #solidarityPark #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Katrina Kaiser
KatrinaKaiser Katrina Kaiser
Raid starts now #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Ashley Petersen
shakeitupbabyy Ashley Petersen
Correction: THOUSANDS Of LAPD Swarming Into #SolidarityPark For #OLARaid. This Is It.
3 minutes ago
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#OccupyLA
OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
12:15 AM officers in white jump suits #solidarityPark #olaraid
3 minutes ago
amirasosassy AMIRA
“@OWSLosAngeles: 12:15 AM officers in white jump suits #solidarityPark #olaraid”. Hazmat suits! Get you vinegar dipped rags ready.
3 minutes ago
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Liza Sabater
blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @OccupyRene: cops totally caught everyone off guard. MSM is pretty freaked out right now bc they’re still in there. #olaraid #occupyla
3 minutes ago
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Wm. M. Brandon III
wmbrandoniii Wm. M. Brandon III
Who are the guys in the white suits? #OLARaid #LAPD
3 minutes ago
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Sarah Morgan
djsarahspin Sarah Morgan
now 1300 officers at #olaraid and 1000 at #occupyphilly and we don’t have money for schools? To feed the hungry? To rid homelessness?
3 minutes ago
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Dick Whiskey
JagerJohnson Dick Whiskey
We need to start moving to keep #lapd on its toes and guessing, this kettling is predictable! run around march something! #olaraid
3 minutes ago
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Liza Sabater
blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @fowlerruth: Kettled #occupyla #olaraid #OLA
3 minutes ago
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Bradley Maxwell
bradleyamaxwell Bradley Maxwell
Police moved into the camp from city hall. On the move. #olaraid #occupylosangeles. More police on the way.
3 minutes ago
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Danielle Williams
Words4marrow Danielle Williams
Disgusting. We have a chance to prove that the first amendment is alive and well in Los Angeles lapd you’re failing! #OLAraid #occupyla
3 minutes ago
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Ruth Fowler
fowlerruth Ruth Fowler
Kettled. #occupyla #olaraid twitpic.com/7lzhjb
3 minutes ago
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Ashley
ashleycarey Ashley
Not gonna lie. Watching hundreds of cops run into what’s become your home and tear it apart hurts. #OLAraid
Anybody out there watching one of the lievstreams?
I can’t do that and Twitter at same time.
OWSLosAngeles #OccupyLA
Officers inside #solidarityPark #olaraid 12:20 AM
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Alex Wahl
mentalsquints Alex Wahl
It’s happening. Right now. sites.google.com/site/occupylas…
watch the #OLARaid here. You can’t evict an idea. So far, respectful behavior on both sides
4 minutes ago
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Crisis Jones
CrisisJones Crisis Jones
Homeland Security SUVs parked in front of the federal building downtown. #OLA #OLAraid
4 minutes ago
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LiZZ DREADFUL
lizzdreadful LiZZ DREADFUL
@occ “@MadSciKat: RT @MarkGerard: Eyes on #OccupyLA! Eviction in Progress ustream.tv/occupyoakland
#OWS” #olaraid #thewholeworldiswatching
4 minutes ago
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Occupy Rene
OccupyRene Occupy Rene
@ktla just said “We will do whatever they (police) tell us.” #olaraid
4 minutes ago
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Ynes Zavala
Gardening_Angel Ynes Zavala
Police removing sandbags and kicking tents into the street. #ows #occupyla #olaraid
4 minutes ago
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Ruth Fowler
fowlerruth Ruth Fowler
#olaraid there will he am opportunity to leave apparently twitpic.com/7lzic5
4 minutes ago
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CandiedWalnuts(Band)
CandiedWalnuts CandiedWalnuts(Band)
Officer w/ untagged helmet forced first arrested protester on city hall steps to the ground. #WatchTheBlankHats #olaraid #ola #ows
4 minutes ago
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Travel Trick
traveltrick Travel Trick
LA park being raided right now #SolidarityPark #OLAraid # occupy watch: occupywallst.org/article/occupy…
4 minutes ago
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/11/29/live-blog-for-occupy-movement-occupyphilly-occupyla-being-evicted-now/
moving there as more peeps
Thats exactly my point.
How can they convice the few diehard lesser of two evils crowd not to vote for the lesser of two evils if there are ONLY two people running for president and both are evil.
That makes no sense at all.
I hope for the future of our country… come on OWS… take the next step… sponsor a presidential candidate.
Peace ny40…
You bet he is an obama supporter. Scroll down on this thread!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433×737546
Did you read my comments on this thread… and the replies I got back ?
cagey!