In what appears to be his first television interview on the subject, Kamran Loghman, the developer of weapons-grade pepper spray and the policy for its use by US police departments, appeared on Democracy Now! to condemn how police forces have been using pepper spray on peaceful protesters in the country. He said he was “shocked” and bewildered to see UC Davis police pepper spraying students and the first thing that came to his mind was how the students could be his children “sitting down having an opinion” and being shut down forcibly by chemical agents.
Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman opened the segment by noting how it was not “unprecedented for an inventor to voice regrets when an invention turns out to have harmful uses.” She highlighted Alfred Nobel, who is believed to have regretted inventing dynamite, and Alfred Einstein, who felt guilty that his work had helped spur the invention of the atomic bomb. She said Loghman is now someone who could be added to the list of inventors that have had problems with how their inventions were used.
Loghman worked with the FBI on the research & development of pepper spray, which was tested over the course of three years in the 1980s. He described the development during the segment along with the ingredients in pepper spray.
Why pepper-spray was weaponized, he explains:
Prior to that, in the use of force by law enforcement, when you encounter somebody who is aggressive, let’s say somebody who is under the influence of narcotic or alcohol and you arrest them and the highway patrol wants to take him out of the car and they become combatant. At that time, police officers had really little choice. It was either baton or go to deadly force. By introduction of pepper spray, it was very quick. Police officers were trained to do that. They could arrest the individual, take him back to the jail, wash their face and give them proper decontamination and that was the end of the story. And in that regard it was a great weapon. It saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the last twenty years.
Loghman helped produce one of the original training manuals specifying how to use the pepper spray. The manual was required reading for officers looking to get certified so they could use the spray.
According to Loghman, what he saw with the UC Davis police was a “complete improper and inappropriate use” of pepper spray. It is to be used when there is threat to officers or the possibility of property damage. And, what transpired was “not in accordance with any training or any policy of any department” that he knows of, which is why he feels it is his ”civic duty” to speak up and “explain to the public that this is not what pepper spray was developed for.”
Loghman addressed the use of tear gas in Egypt on peaceful protesters—tear gas that has been made in the United States. He talked about the difference between weapons-grade pepper spray and tear gas and commented on the use of the tear gas on Egyptians:
It is becoming more and more fashionable right now, this day and age, to use chemical on people who have an opinion. And that to me is a complete lack of leadership both in the police department and other people who cannot really deal with the root of the problem and they want to spray people to quiet them down. And it’s really not supposed to be that. It’s not a thing that solves any problem nor is it something that quiets people down.”
Pepper spray was never meant to be used on a mass of people, like Egyptians, to force them to go home.
The pepper spraying of UC Davis students happened on November 18, when students were being forced to take down tents they had set up in the main quad area of campus. Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! producers deserve credit here. No cable or network news outlet has had Loghman on to talk about pepper spray yet, even though it has become routine to see police using pepper spray on Occupy protesters.
It was used on Occupy Seattle protesters, including an 84-year-old woman, who required the help of an Iraq war veteran so she would not be trampled, and a pregnant 19-year-old, who miscarried. And on Occupy Portland protesters, including a 20-year-old woman who vomited after being hit and was then arrested for trespassing. And on antiwar demonstrators trying to protest drones at the Smithsonian National Air & Space Museum in Washington, DC. And, in addition to rubber bullets, on Occupy Denver protesters by Denver police who violently cracked down on the camp late in October. And by police on Occupy San Diego to break up a human chain that was not dissimilar from the one UC Davis students formed. And, at the end of the first week of Occupy Wall Street, Officer Anthony Bologna touched off a media storm after video captured him pepper spraying female protesters penned in behind orange netting, who let out blood-curdling screams as they began to feel the effects of the spray.
As Jon Stewart said on The Daily Show last night, “Pepper spray has become America’s car horn.” Or a prime example of how militarized police forces in America have become and how police will be used to intimidate and suppress people who engage in peaceful protesting.



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Sorry, I had to fix that one! The teabaggers waved loaded guns around at political rallies but none of them were ever pepper sprayed. Not once.
Didn’t Congress decide that Pepper Spray was a vegetable?
Well, duh.
You ain’t seen nuttin yet. Listen to dn this morning for developments in Egypt as well as the interview with developer of pepper spray.
PTB will stop at nothing to maintain their power.
Egyptians so far seem far more brave than U.S. Occupiers. Hoping latter will prove just as defiant, and looking for ways that my, now feeble body, can support them.
No but FOX “News” did.
Ok, true. Guns would never be tolerated at Occupy protests. But, it is worth emphasizing the fact that the Tea Party protests posed no threat to the structures of power ever. The members may have complained about loss of liberty but never tried to push back against whatever they thought was costing them their liberty. There weren’t any sit-ins, no acts of civil disobedience. Their very nature was complacent and lethargic. They sat in lawn chairs on the National Mall during Glenn Beck’s rally.
The stakes are much higher in Egypt than here in US.
They should have done that for Reagan.
I challenge that.
In Egypt, the stakes are national.
In the U.S., the stakes are global.
Response?
Pepper spray: condiment for breakfast, lunch or dinner?
I was just thinking the same thing.
Correct, again, Kevin.
Re: the pepper spray at the Air & Space Museum
At least one (possibly two) agent provocateurs pushed against the security guards and active aggressive, and the guards were thinking that the whole crowd was like those two guys near the front. Can’t say I blame them – I probably would have assumed that too. Hence, the pepper spray so they didn’t get hundreds of aggressive people in the museum.
Got to watch out for the agent provocateurs.
Kevin, I rarely have reason to disagree with you, however, this time, I think eCAHN has got it correct.
As “goes” the USA!!! … so “goes” the world.
The destructive capacities, military AND economic, of the 1% in THIS nation make it so.
Whiich is not to say that The US is “greater” than Egypt, merely that it is more widely hated … which truth shall, daily, become more apparent, as will the consequence which attends that truth.
DW
Heya demi, always great to “see” you, even when we “see” things a wee bit “differently”.
Hope to catch ya at the Diner, one of these mornings, when time, that confounded “thing”, permits.
;~DW
http://www.loyno.edu/~wagues/article37.html
Sure hope this protest gets 457 people there. The pepper spray factory is located in a town of not much more than 450. I’ll be there if I have to walk.
http://www.loyno.edu/~wagues/article37.html
…And waved guns… Not to put too fine a point on it but I think that sort of trumps ideology.
Here’s an event planned for Thursday at the Pepper Spray factory.
http://www.loyno.edu/~wagues/article37.html
So these “smart” inventors of these weapons feel guilty about the use of the weapons they invented? If they were or are so smart, why haven’t or didn’t they considered how this fucked up and militaristic country would use them?
Not all Liberals loathe guns.
As in ownership.
I would like to test the theory. Tea-Bags=OK, Ows=Death.
They (T-part) brought to Presidential speakings.
Hypocrisy much?
Oh really. I spose you’ve heard of the law of the unintended outcome.
Applies to both sides of the political spectrum.
A very few are able to perceive unintended outcomes before they happen. Blessed and skilled and talented are those who can.
For the others, I rec listening to them for sincerity/hypocrisy. I respect (science being my original field) failed experiments, and those scientists who acknowledge such.
On edit: Put differently, expectations of human perfection are vastly overrated.
What % of the population is allergic to the chemicals in pepper spray? If lazy, fat or stupid police use it for so many arbitrary and low level threats, they really need to know how they are hurting people. Still wondering how the cop was threatened by the students who were sitting down with arms locked to each other? The cop sprayed the students with so much force and bravado you’d think someone very high up told him to do it–and given a complete guarantee of immunity.
I have immense respect for individuals who are behind the creation of an invention and take responsibility for how that invention may be used against humanity. Loghman truly believed he had an obligation to speak up and let the world know pepper spray should not be used how it is being used. We can debate whether he should have invented weapons-grade pepper spray but that seems to be beside the point. He is owning up to something he played a role in making possible and condemning police that use pepper spray for acts of brutality against peaceful protesters.
It’s late here in the UK, so forgive me if I’m off…
Thanks for posting this. I was watching it and thinking about the development of pepper spray and the militirisation of the police – both of 80′s origin, or so it seemed to a kid in the North of England during the Miners’ Strike.
I was also reminded of the heyday of the war on drugs – another child of the 80′s – and particularly the terrible scourge of PCP.
PCP. It turned ordinary children into supermen who could punch through plate glass without feeling a thing, could fight off a dozen EMTs with broken arms.
Except it couldn’t really, when Scientists did the research. And the violent PCP addicts were pretty much all violent shitheads anyway. But by then the police had their pepper spray, and their tasers and new rules of engagement for people “who were acting a bit funny”.
(TBF those jittery cops probably watched the same news reports and dramas I did.)
But PCP fell victim to the market and was superceded by meth, crack and the guy in the turban and the kid with the sign. The response remains in the same.
I think they knew it would.
Now it’s deemed necessary to protect against those who don’t move. I would like to see a regulation requiring that any officer who uses these “harmless tools,” taser and pepper spray, must be subjected to the same immediately post the arrest. Just part of the standard processing procedure. That would curb over-zealous and unnecessary use of these painful but harmless tools. I know, I’m dreaming.
But you’re not the only one.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
But I certainly see your point. The move from community policing to compliance policing has been (personally on occasion!)painfully evident over my 30-ish years. Becoming a good neighbourhood cop requires courage and conviction. You can’t replace those qualities with an “LTL” arsenal and an ingrained adversarial attitude.
Sorry not necessary. I couldn’t resist, either. Sometimes, fantasy is the only escape. ;- )
How many Pakistanis did Egyptian drones kill last week?
Chemicals today, bullets tomorrow.
realitychecker,
Taking your position one step further, maybe we can do some follow-up with a person who has been sprayed.
Loghman said above, “They could arrest the individual, take him back to the jail, wash their face and give them proper decontamination and that was the end of the story.” (My bold)
What I’m thinking is why doesn’t someone either get hold of said “decontamination” ?
Or if there is a chemist out there, invent a antidote that could be passed out to the Occupy movement world-wide.
It wouldn’t keep someone from being sprayed, but it could make the experience less dreadful.
Trying to buy said decontaminant probably qualifies you for indefinite uncharged detention. (eye roll)
Not when Congress and the Executive legislate and pass Indefinite Detention Kevin . . . that’s just around the corner, and when it goes down, dissent will be choked off HARD.
Months, if not weeks . . . playing out now in Congress as you know.
I’d say, like beer, it’s NOT just for breakfast anymore.
Well put, similar to here in the US since the 70′s.
That’s true now.
Egyptians have been dealing with repressive government that has been much more overtly repressive for a long time now. And when they are protesting, more people are being injured and people are being killed.
However, the U.S. government is ramping up for a similar situation.
We have indefinite detention coming to an American near you. What stands between us and that? Massive protests by all Americans immediately to not pass the military authorization act as it is &/or to persuade Obama to veto.
And we also have the police visiting violence on peaceful protestors. How long will it take before they start killing the protesters?
Kevin, your writing and analysis is brilliant. I am amazed over and over again and feel very grateful to have you at the watch tower.
That long? Damn.
Thanks. But it is strange right? US has 2nd ammendment rights, UK has forbidden handgun ownership for over a decade, yet our mutual police response to civil disobedience = carry the same weapons, wear the same armour and use the same “pacification” tactics?
Simple way to stop the pepper spray is a food product mime; make anyone that claims that, eat a taco or a plate of nachos with pepper spray as a spice.
Alfred Einstein?
Obama is silent on how pepper spray has been used in America.
Jerry Brown, after weeks of police crack-downs in California, has called for “review” of using pepper spray.
Linda Katehi, UC Davis Chancellor, who defended her campus police use of pepper spray for two days after the attack, will not be pressured by any elite power to resign – as this would deter others with authority from brutal crackdowns on peaceful protesters.
Kateli is now saying the police disobeyed her orders. Cops of America take notice – you will bear the consequences of your brutal actions, not the elite who ordered the crackdown.
Well, the inventor feels bad. I suppose he’s an engineering or science type, who blew off political science and history classes in college. It’s naifs like him that enable our brutal system to function so well. The State will use any means to coerce, injure or kill its citizens when such pose a threat, even very remote, to powerful elites and institutions, He just gave them another tool for the belt. Would that he and his brethren applied their skills to helping the people, and not authority.