Check out the tweet interchange between Dicey Troop and TimCast at the bottom of the previous liveblog. It is a clear discussion about secrecy and democracy (although that is not how it’s framed). And what happens when a livestreamer potentially becomes the story.

protester on the roof is flying a DC and American flag. Police not making any moves. #occupydc

Here’s the crowd at McPherson watching the police at the #pplspavillion

Here’s a photo of the occupiers inside the #pplspavillion. #occupydc

Occupy Albany (NY)

Occupy KSt: Protesters on the roof singing bohemian rhapsody. Police surrounding them. #pplspavillion

Occupy DC – Don’t know what this is. Tear gas gun?

Yep. He wanted to be the story so he could remake the story into what he wanted it to be.

When Central Banks take over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJdeWvGIZU

Occupy Atlanta: Field Guide to Black Friday

Idea: anyone with a group of friends and some discipline can do direct action against big box stores.

Hot idea: Sympathy cards to give to employees, especially cashiers. You can imagine “the thought that counts”.

I’ve shared this on the front page. However, if you’d like to learn more about our monetary system and how the Banks operate you can view The Secret of Oz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXb-LrVkuwM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL7436421422C353B7

I particularly like Part 3.

Kaymee Kaymee
Reporters told to LEAVE #OccupyDC. Witness, Document, Protect. Badge #s of abusive PD plz:
23 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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For their own protection, of course. *Wink wink*

I don’t think so. That’s why I’m pointing out that this is a fundamental dilemma in democratic groups (or at least the discussion went to that dilemma). Yes, he made the mistake of announcing what he was intending to do. A mindless act of promotion rather than some ego trip IMO. Trying to ensure that there would be viewers online. But there are several valid points.

1. Monitoring livestreams and twitter is not the sole source, and likely not the primary source, of police information about direct action intents and tactics.

2. Having a livestream up can mean the difference between the destruction of recorded information and its destruction. And the fact that it is there can restrain the range of actions taken to suppress the action. Which could save folks from injury.

3. Announcing a direct action at any public meeting, regardless of recording devices, makes that plan public. DA folks should more carefully plan the time and venue of their announcements.

4. The general assembly if not the entire movement will experience the consequences of the action, a fact that planners need to take into consideration in the planning. Finally, they are not a totally independent group if they are in solidarity. They are exercising their best judgment and willingness to take riskier independent action on behalf of the movement (that’s what solidarity means, not just statements and warm fuzzies).

5. The general assembly cannot restrain except by debate what the direct action folks decide to do and who decides to participate.

6. The public needs more than the police and Wall Street Media narratives in order to make an informed decision about the action. Note here that it was the very absence of livestreaming that allowed the City and Police in Chapel Hill to frame their narrative about the intentions and actions of the folks who liberated the abandoned auto dealership building in Chapel Hill.

7. The timing of coverage affects the success of the operation. That’s why the Wall Street Media allows itself to be embedded with the police. And why the police want to restrict media coverage to the police-certified press.

Livestreaming GAs and planning meetings is not time-sensitive. Deciding not to have real-time recording during some deliberations is appropriate unless there are folks online participating in the decision-making. Which a lot of local groups do.

It is a real tough issue that will get hashed out situation by situation and not in the abstract. The discussion was clarifying in that it showed where debated it in the abstract leads. It’s not personalities; it’s a real tough issue unless you are accepting that the practices of the past are the practices of the future. Does the alternative order have embedded journalists who are essentially propagandists in and information war or independent journalists who can act as a check on all attempts a co-option of the general will? That’s the abstract argument.

Computer accounting records are very much like tally sticks. But the point about nationalizing a central bank makes sense. The second point of interest was the relaxation of the usury laws carried out by Henry VIII. And the unstated information that the abundance of gold and silver that Spain took out of the New World had effects outside of Spain. It had the same effects as inflation caused by paper currency or computer bits or credit default swaps. Thanks for putting up the link.

Huh. I totally missed that there is a #OWSHungerStrike.

Occupy LA: Franz Pierre Arrest 12/4/2011

The public, transparent announcement of Direct Action events during General Assemblies is a good foil to the secretive, underhanded methods of the police in many instances. OWS should continue to *be* the change in wants to see, IMO, even if DA plans are announced to the police at the same time as activists.

blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @seancaptain: Jeremiah John did Isaiah 58 over people’s mic. Cofounder of Christian prayer tent at #occupydc #peoplespavillion #ows
53 minutes ago

FWIW:

Isaiah 58
1 “Shout it aloud, do not hold back.
Raise your voice like a trumpet.
Declare to my people their rebellion
and to the descendants of Jacob their sins.
2 For day after day they seek me out;
they seem eager to know my ways,
as if they were a nation that does what is right
and has not forsaken the commands of its God.
They ask me for just decisions
and seem eager for God to come near them.
3 ‘Why have we fasted,’ they say,
‘and you have not seen it?
Why have we humbled ourselves,
and you have not noticed?’

“Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
and exploit all your workers.
4 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife,
and in striking each other with wicked fists.
You cannot fast as you do today
and expect your voice to be heard on high.
5 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
only a day for people to humble themselves?
Is it only for bowing one’s head like a reed
and for lying in sackcloth and ashes?
Is that what you call a fast,
a day acceptable to the LORD?

6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry
and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
when you see the naked, to clothe them,
and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your healing will quickly appear;
then your righteousness[a] will go before you,
and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
9 Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.

“If you do away with the yoke of oppression,
with the pointing finger and malicious talk,
10 and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the oppressed,
then your light will rise in the darkness,
and your night will become like the noonday.
11 The LORD will guide you always;
he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land
and will strengthen your frame.
You will be like a well-watered garden,
like a spring whose waters never fail.
12 Your people will rebuild the ancient ruins
and will raise up the age-old foundations;
you will be called Repairer of Broken Walls,
Restorer of Streets with Dwellings.

13 “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the LORD’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the LORD,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

Here’s a “Thanks, Mahmoud” for you:

Nato’s International Security Assistance Force said on Sunday: “The UAV to which the Iranians are referring may be a US unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week. The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status.”

Eliot Spitzer on secret government loans to banks.

Re Occupy DC standoff:

Deiko13 tell the police the structure is a Xmas decoration aka manger2 minutes ago

Who do you think the “he” is from your vantage point, Peasant Party? I’m asking so we all know the context for further discussion.

Apparently, Occupy Orlando is to get evicted tonight, although they were given advanced warning, so maybe the situation has been defused. This time the city is going after them for code violations.

The occupiers made a video of their encounter with the police officer who was sent to inform them of the code violations. It was a refreshingly nice and polite discussion, compared to what goes on in other cities. The guy honestly seemed to want to help the occupiers.

http://livestre.am/19Q7D

kgosztola Kevin Gosztola
“@IPS_DC: The wooden structure was designed to comply with DC regulations, and meets the “temporary structure” standards. #OccupyDC”
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Anyone watching the DC livestream? If so, please add interesting developments to the thread…

OccupyLou Occupy Louisville
Smithsonian museum collects Occupy Wall Street memorabilia – Washington Times bit.ly/sklxzv

#ows
23 minutes ago

Place a call to the Smithsonian. See if they want an authentic OWS structure in situ.

LS – Occupy DC
It’s pretty much a standoff with police trying to decide what to do. Someone released a dog into the park (or it “got off its leash”), which provided a moment of lightness. A couple of the MPD are hardcore; one ordered another to taze a protester. Don’t know if the order was followed.

Moving media to the front right now. LS down for a minute.

LS – Occupy DC

None of the frontline police officers have their badge numbers showing.

LS – Occupy DC

The livestream and press no longer can see the inside of the structure.

LS – Occupy DC

Occupy Freedom Plaza just joined them…to big cheers.

LS – Occupy DC

Media was pushed out by horses and police officers and put behind barricades with supporting protesters.

There are 7 folks on the structure.

Mic-checking for support.

Livecam operator speculates that MPD is waiting for darkness to move.

Thanks for the updates, TH.

LS – Occupy DC

There’s a protester who is asking for MPD badge numbers and names.

LS – Occupy DC

“Ain’t no power like the power of the people cause the power of the people don’t stop. Say what.”…

Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
Police demands that the media moves across the street- they will be blocked by tents from filming what will go down.
29 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
#occupydcneeds gas masks! Cops are confirmed holding pepper spray ready to use.
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Retweeted by @janehamsher

LS – Occupy DC

The blue-shirted police officer did not obey the white-shirted police officer who ordered him to taze a protester who was being held down while being arrested. This was earlier.

exiledsurfer exiledsurfer
RT @thisisbossi: Rubber Pellet shotgun is here #occupydc
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Yay!!! I hope someone got the badge number of the one who refused to taze so occupiers can send thank you notes.

LS – Occupy DC
A Buddhist ceremony is beginning.

Protester is saying that it is likely the MPD will bring in a cherry picker to get the protesters off the roof.

The standoff has gone on since 10:30 am – approaching 6 hours.

A police officer with a camera just showed up.

LS – Occupy DC
Parks Police chief is in with protesters notifying them about what will go down.

In DC, police have been trained in how to handle civil disobedience.

Black-clad police are SWAT unit.

LS – Occupy DC

This is not MPD. This is the US National Park Police from the National Park Service.

What is MPD?

Buddhist Compassion Chant at Occupy DC

Metro Police Department

exiledsurfer exiledsurfer
b.c of free WIFI maybe? RT @maco_nix: weird #occupydc MT @hoosteen: Police just ordered the starbucks closed. In expectation of what, MPD?
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

blogdiva Liza Sabater
RT @jessevantol: starbucks closing early bc of #occupydc if this happened on a Monday, office workers in DC would riot bit.ly/uUHCvf

2 minutes ago

Strange police vehicle on the scene in DC.

Hipsters high on cappuccino are dangerous to the Riot Police, apparantly. Anyone who’s seen Beavis and Butthead knows what can happen when a young person has too much cappuccino.

Are they afraid of mocha cocktails?

*snicker* Someone might lob a flaming nero into the police line.

Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
Park Police “safety inspector” will inspect the structure to see if it is secure, if it is it might be able to stay!
2 minutes ago

LS – Occupy DC

Inspector posted a Danger notice on the structure.

Good set-up for a court case–because the structure was designed by a certified architect.

Sorry you missed it. I documented it yesterday morning.

Tarheel,

Sorry to be delayed in responding. I had a bunch of hungry guys come in.

I do not disagree with you at all. I am saying that OWS is and has been as transparent as possible. I disagreed with the Dude in his tweet battle. The entire world is watching. They are watching in many different venues and are getting reports by phone calls and written letters as well.

This is history being made and it will not be kept secret.

Or a chocolate creme whoopie pie.

http://www.starbucks.com/menu/food/petites/chocolate-creme-whoopie-pie

Yellowsnapdragon,

I also gave you and Tarheel many Kudos for unlocking the secret of the Military/Police hardware front.

Love those things! I like mine homemade though. They don’t have perservatives and other garbage in them.

LS – Occupy DC
Trying to get a camera to the legal observer who is in the structure

I’m only able to be on the threads irregularly lately, so I’ve been missing a lot. On the military hardware front, I hardly batted an eye at the vendor list because nobody on the list surprised me much, so any information on the list ought to be credited to those like you who knew its importance. I didn’t.

Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
@
@Occupy_DC Btw, this was CONFIRMED by the store manager who got a call from his manager who was called and ordered by police to close.
6 minutes ago

re: Starbucks

Ahhh. Poooh. Well, Tarheel did his instant investigation and realized it was a sales front for training groups, etc.

My eyes popped when he came out with the dude from Jordon working in California, (I think it was Cali) on the procedures to use that equipment with.

Oh, and yes we do need to keep the Hunger Strike in the forefront as well.

You couldn’t make it up. The police force in the capital of the world’s only super power, the power that spends more on military force than the next 10 or more nations combined, has to order local businesse to close because they are threatened by a few people in a park.

LS – Occupy DC

Backup police coming in. Police confiscating supplies being thrown to the folks holding the structure.

Controlling who gets do “counterfeiting” in the broadest sense of the tag and when is a very strategic hidden feature to the present international system (aka “The Machine” or “The Matrix”) as the international system is presently engineered. Next, one can designate shadow currencies versus a single official currency. The more advantaged shadow currencies are what the 1%ers use. The inferior single official currency is what the peasants are taught to use. Having the power to determine currencies is very important to the hierarchical order of human society and the command and control position of the 1%ers relative to The Machine. Note that the 1%ers’ attitude is that they stand outside the international system so they think of it as The Machine and that for the peasants, it is The Matrix. However, they have certain misconceptions so instead they are really in The Matrix just as the peasants.

Now, let’s revisit John Pilger’s “The Invisible Government” (video, in 4 parts). What we call the “news business” as an artifact engineered by the 1%er for the manipulation of the peasants. In my understanding, a second wave of intense development of this subsystem really took off in the 1800s. I will also posit that “independent journalism” is also an conveniently engineered artifact that serves the “news business.” I say this for at least two reasons: 1) human perception can be tricked and manipulated, 2) there really is no such thing as an “independent” view point if one accounts for the reality of intention. So 1) is about what the viewer perceives, consciously understands and when each of those things happens relative to the human construct of time. 2) further determines the vantage point of that viewer. The peasant caste is intentionally trained to not be able to model “reality” and hold more than one model of what may be reality at the same time and rigorously real-time test which may be the superior model. Instead the peasant caste is reenforced in its habituation to certain concepts in order to maintain and reinforce The Matrix.

LS – Occupy Washington DC

Crowd tossing Clif Bars to the protesters at the structure.

LS is effectively audio only because of the light

LS – Occupy Washington DC

Police pulling their visors down. Two officers have their pepper spray out.

LS – Occupy Washington DC

Legal observer is crossing the police line with a camera with footage of the police’s bad faith negotiation.

LS – Occupy Washington DC

The structure was symbolic of the many foreclosed houses from which people have been evicted.

Whoop! Daritis! Thar it is!

On the elites with their own currency: When I first heard that Dubai only uses Gold and then saw how they have ATM like machines for small gold ingates it dawned on me that they are using the traditional elitist currency and spreading it among the classes. That leaves the elitists themselves without a specific type unless you factor in the ownership of Land. With that comes a power that goes beyond currency.

Then ask yourselves this: What do banks want with all these homes and farmland?

The Park Police have been suckered into an epic drama.

If I could only afford to buy those Lab goggles with the shields. Darn it!

Re Vancouver, BC, CA:

OccupyVancouver Occupy Vancouver
About to be livestreaming Starhawk: Building Powerful Groups for Collaboration. livestream.com/occupyvan
34 seconds ago

Vancouver live stream is http://www.livestream.com/occupyvan

LS – Occupy DC

Chanting: “Let them stay…Let them stay…”

Farmland prices are soaring (and thank you Mom for not selling the farm):

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/pay-dirt-iowa-farmland-value-soaring-again/article_467fa306-77c9-57c1-af2d-2f34a9145b43.html

LS – Occcupy DC

Bringing in floodlights on the other side of the structure where the corporate media are so they can floodlight for the media.

LS – Occupy DC

Mic-checking the Police Oath that all police have to take.

Legal observer has now left the structure. Police action imminent.

Not an eviction. Just clearing the structure.

LS – Occupy DC

One protester in the shelter is lying down in a sleeping bag with a pillow under his head.

I wish I could see all the fatheads running out of offices on K-Street.

Occupy KSt livestream

LS – Occupy DC

Apparently protesters caught on that the police did not bring in an actual building inspector. Now chanting ” Sham..Sham. Sham”

Cameraman,

I believe that brought in a police detective to check on the structure and pretend to be an actual building inspector. However, police seem to only be interested in the structure and not the rest of the camp.

He says it is a representative home for all the millions across the country that have been thrown out of their homes.

LS – Occupy DC
Floodlight on the way. From one of the viewers.

Floodlight is on it’s way.

#LOL:

bunnybuddhism Bunny Buddhism
by BuddhaChest
In the bunny mind, there are many possibilities; in an expert’s mind, there are few.
43 minutes ago

LS – Occupy DC

Protesters on roof caught three hamburgers.

Now floodlight on the back.

Protesters are singing to the media that are not using their lights.

“This little light of mine, let it shine, let it shine”

LS – Occupy DC

Interesting that the media has not deployed its own lights

Floodlight must be Park Police light

Police just gave second official warning.

People are now laying down inside structure.

LS – Occupy DC

Warning #2

Protesters laying down in structure.

“Let them stay. Let them stay”

The people are asking everyone to get their cameras and phones ready to film and document as they think the police are about to get real ugly.

LS – Occupy DC

Call for everybody to get their cameraphones ready

More protesters on roof

Third and final warning just came.

LS – Occupy DC

Third and final warning.

“We shall stay”

Protesters issue own warning telling police to vacate at once.

Protesters issued their own warnings. Told police to vacate at once.

LS – Occupy DC

Floodlight is there. LS goes offline.

LS – Occupy DC

LS back up. “Whose barn? Our barn…”

LS – Occupy DC

Two people have been arrested. “Shame…shame”

LS – Occupy DC

We have light.

LS – Occupy DC

Two more arrested.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupywashdc

LS – Occupy DC

Four people on the roof.

Chanting “Don’t hurt Georgia”

GA was postponed.

More Park police coming in now.

OWS

Time to take the next step… nominate and get on the ballot Third Party candidates to run against the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans.

I am a lifelong liberal/progressive and an ex-Democrat who re-registered as an Independent.

I WILL VOTE FOR YOUR CANDIDATES… do it NOW… before it’s too late.

LS – Occupy DC

@unknown_vector and @babee_einstein arrested (for those who have been following their Twitter streams)

LS – Occupy DC

Two left on the ground and five on the roof

LS – Occupy DC

Only the five people on the roof are left.

Thanking supporters.

LS – Occupy DC

One of the protesters on the roof says “They don’t know what to do with us.”

Their GA meeting that had been postponed is now changed.

It will resume at the jailhouse!

5 people remain on the roof of the structure.

More park police came in but they don’t seem to know what to do next.

Your Wall Street Media at work. My wife said that when she was driving home from work CBS radio reported that the “shack” at Occupy Wall Street had already been torn down. That was around 5pm.

LS – Occupy DC

The paddy wagons with the twenty-some-odd protesters have left. There are still five on the roof. And the police are still drawing overtime,

LS – Occupy DC

Maybe shift change instead of OT.

LS – Occupy DC

Police just brought in a “suicide cushion”, a huge air mattress.

LS – Occupy

Protester on roof delivering eloquent statement on what he could see from from his perch.

Kids sitting on gramp’s shoulders watching what democracy looks like. White House flag.. Commmunity..

Meanwhile the police brought in a cherry picker, and there is an APC under the structure.

LS – Occupy DC

Apparently the APC brought in the fans to blow up the cushion.

This is ABSOLUTE INSANITY!

Somebody is going to get hurt just because they want to get those kids down tonight.

This is about as honorable as dragging off Grey Water.

LS – Occupy DC

Wasn’t exactly an APC – was a Hummer.

Police have used Humvee vehicles to block the openings to the structure and put the air mattress inside.

Using Humvee to stand on to go after the protesters.

LS – Occupy DC

Moved orange cushion (the “moon bounce” into the structure. Hummer was moved to block view of structure.

Police are using the Hummer to go up to the roof. Protesters are at top of A-frame structure.

They were chanting to the police:

“You’re sexy, you’re cute, take off that riot suit!”

LS – Occupy DC

Protesters have been tossed wet rags in case of pepper spray

Wet rags being thrown up to the roof so they can protect from pepper spray if needed.

Six occupiers on roof.

LS – Occupy DC

Actually six on roof.

Singing “Why can’t we be friends”

LS – Occupy DC

American flag and DC flag on roof

LS – Occupy DC

Thanking police for helping Occupy DC occupy the square “with us” this evening.

They may be starting to climb onto structure.

Just read that someone got on top of the armored vehicle being moved in and danced.

LS – Occupy DC

“No taxation ….without representation.”

LS – Occupy DC

“Shame..Shame….”

A MadDad just gave out DC Mayor contact info but it went by so fast I couldn’t catch it.

LS – Occupy DC

Reciting the 1st Amendment

: (202) 727-6300 Fax: (202) 727-0505 TTY: (202) 724-8815 park police 202-610-7500

LS – Occupy DC

Negotiations going on between the protesters on the roof and the police standing on the Hummer

LS – Occupy DC

One occupier jumped into the “Moon Bounce”

LS – Occupy DC

A second protester has jumped into the bag.

LS – Occupy DC

Mic-checking the Occupy DC Declaration while they are waiting.

Cherry picker coming in now.

Over 300 people there.

LS – Occupy DC

Another police on top of the Hummer. Another round of negotiations.

Here comes the cherry picker.

“Out of concern for the grass, would the Park Police not drive trucks on it.”

Structure was built off site in sections, then trucked into park.

It was assembled in a couple of hours.

Just to be clear…the structure was built to code as a temporary structure, but it was not permitted, right?

LS – Occupy DC

Swinging the cherry the picker. A police officer is getting into the cherry picker.

Re Occupy DC (live stream via http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution) from Twitter.Com:

scottanansi Scott Anansi Rossi
BREAKING: A police officer refused orders to taser someone at #occupydc. thank you, whoever you are! <3 #occupysf #ows #oo
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“Picker basket may be able to hold three persons.”

I have no idea how they are going to force them into the basket though.

Yes, it was built to code for temporary structure. It was built by a father and son which are builder craftsmen.

The entire group in the park put it together as if doing a barn raising.

WHOOP!

Let’s get his name. That is humanity in the public eye.

Officer in basket is talking to a protester that is staring back at him blankly.

Police is placing a belt around protester.

So the reason for removal is strictly because it lacks a permit? The camp is otherwise not being cleared. Just this unpermitted structure.

I hope this is a good case to take to court over whether the building qualifies as speech since the purpose was to house GA’s.

Okay it was a harness, not a belt. And overlook the bad grammar.

He has been put into the basket and willingly leaving with the cop. He wanted to ride in the cherry picker.

LS – Occupy DC

Basket is going up. One officer in the bucket.

First protester has had fall harness put on him by police and has been lifted into the bucket.

LS – Occupy DC

Three left on roof. Near American flag and DC flag (no taxation without representation)

I’m not sure of all that. I do know that Legal Council was inside with them for a long time before the police started bringing in the fall cushion and moving the Humvee up to the opening.

Next protester is waving the flag in the cops place as he tries to get him harnessed.

Chant:

Just say NO!

LS – Occupy DC

Last three have refused to get into the bucket. Bucket has been taken away.

I think it should go to court re: speech.

If RealityChecker is around he may be able to help us with that issue. He practiced a different kind of law than I was involved in.

LS – Occupy DC

Apparently tethering a second officer to the bucket so that he can make arrest. Also a helicopter overhead.

I did Real Estate Law.

There is a Mic Check going on about Principles, military domestic police force, and other things that I can’t hear now.

Okay, they were talking to the Prez. They started chanting:

“Veto this Bill. Veto this Bill.”

LS – Occupy DC

Now have pepper-spray paintball gun

Pepper Spray Ball guns coming out, or rubber bullets.

Four cops in the bucket now. Talking to one of the protesters on the roof.

Two of the other protesters have put nurses masks on their faces.

LS-Occupy DC

Roped him off at the waist and hauled him into the bucket.

Protester is now roped at waist and they are pulling him into basket.

This is so stupid. This is a horrible show of police activity and will be another joke like Grey Water.

LS – Occupy DC

Two left. Positioning themselves to cling to the structure.

The reason they are removing them is because they say the building is structurally unsound.

Teehee. I’m thinking about that 80′s song The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!

Just reported the crowd has swelled to way over 800, could be 1,000.

No one ever stands on a roof that’s being built./s Structurally unsound. Pffft.

Hey. Want me to dedicate that one for them tomorrow?

I was thinking about “We are Family, I got all my sisters with me” in honor of the women since they have been written about.

LS – Occupy DC

Police ripped protester off the structure and hauled him into the bucket.

I know. What are they thinking? The magic elves come and cover the roof in the middle of the night. Ooops. That must be why the cops come out at night.

Oh, Lordy!

They are chanting and teasing.”How many policemen does it take to remove one David?”

Where would you dedicate it? We don’t need no ladder, let those occu-pickers turn!

He is being DRAGGED off.

I dedicate a song for them every morning right here at the Dissenter, and then I go to the OWS Chat and give it to them.

Well, then! By all means! The roof is on fire!

LS – Occupy DC

One left. David. From Kentucky. Holding tightly to the rafters. Stream froze.

LS – Occupy DC

Stream is back up.

LS – Occupy DC

Waiting…..Standoff

LS – Occupy DC

“David meets Goliath…David meets Goliath”

LS – Occupy DC

David just stood up, faced the police floodlight and took piss off the roof. He’s been up there for nine hours.

Just caught another charge?

LOL! Will Do!

This is today’s song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLhu0iR6DnA

I tell them Good Morning, but do it Robin Williams style in the movie, “Good Morning Vietnam”. At night, I say “Good Night and Good Luck”.

Also, since you missed the Hunger Strike at OWS, you probably missed the Occupy our Homes. They are now occupying and helping people that have been foreclosed on from being evicted by the cops.

Can u find the Youtube vid for me? My laptop is now registering red zone.

charlesdavis84 Charles Davis
Last guy on the structure — who has been up there for 8 hours — just urinated on the ground below. To widespread applause. #OccupyDC #OWS
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I think we’re going to hear a lot more about this simple act of defiance.

Tarheel, I have to shut down the other page now which is Livestream.

Sorry.

Okay, they said that David the last holdout is from Kentuckey.

His Dad came to DC and occupied K-Street with him until he had to go home to work. He supports David in the occupation and will be proud of his son for standing the ground.

New art projects– Lt. Pike spraying: 1) rampage in PDX (lots of material here, folks!), 2) #OccupyDC demonstrators’ barn and/or Santa and the Reindeer trying to land on its roof with presents! Frosty The Snowman protests. Punaise rewrites lyrics to “Mister Santa Sandman” for spectacular political satire and performance.

An act of human nature? LOL!

Yes, we’ve had a few fines for The Public Pee here.

Grandmaster Flash Remix

Ha! Good. Maybe Kevin will have that up for us tomorrow.

“Santa Baby, just leave that permit under the tree. Santa Baby”

Thanks! I’ll give it to them tomorrow and tell them you dedicated. Did you see my #186?

LS – Occupy DC

Police bringing in a ladder.

Oh man. The cherry picker and now a Ladder. That makes YSD’s song more meaningful. Why didn’t they call the Firemen?

LS – Occupy DC

Poking David in the stomach with a baton.

Yeah. I missed all of that.

LS – Occupy DC

Tossed down the American flag

Police snatch American flag and throw it on the ground in the Nation’s Capitol. 1,165 viewers on my leg of LS. Anyone got #s on the total viewership across all mirrors and the breakout?

Looks like I’m gonna have to go get another Keystone Cops Clip.

The geniuses down at the station brought out the ladder *after* the occu-picker! LOL. America’s finest.

Hmm. A ten foot pole would have been better theater.

LS – Occupy DC

Just got David down.

LS – Occupy DC

David jumped back up and repositioned himself on rafters

{ ROFLMAO } Good one! The “Occu-picker” is ripe for some seriously excellent parody. Get your TiVOs ready folks!

FYI, folks … I think David et al deserve pizza delivery when they are ready for it. Armand’s Chicago Pizzeria is the best deep dish IMO in the DeeCee metro with handy locations here that deliver (check before ordering and sending them out though).

Whoop! The boy has a set made of steel!

I like that guy.

LS – Occupy DC

David is down. And arrested.

Uh oh. You may need to dedicate this one instead…per Kevin.

Okaaayyy! That’s a good one too!

“Pissing the night away”

DJTEN23 Dan Evans-Nakamura
*BREAKING: #OccupyDC making history. Meanwhile MSNBC has a prison show on, CNN has “Dinner with Larry King” on. #MediaFail
39 minutes ago
Retweeted by Occupy_DC

Here is the goods on the structure in a clip taken from the site:

Last night, Occupy K Street-DC erected a wooden structure, a “People’s Pavilion,” at their main encampment in McPherson Square. According to Occupiers, the structure will be used as a warm place (designed to be heated by a novel sustainable energy source: water bottles that collect and store solar heat) for General Assemblies, teach-ins, and other community building purposes.

They have also said that the structure represents the needs of the 99% who are being left houseless by economic inequality. The People’ Pavilion is a symbol of all homes stolen by banks and corporate greed, right on K Street — in front of the Wall Street lobbyists who buy the politicians on Capitol Hill. Or, as one Occupier said:

We built this to represent broader problems in society. Millions cannot afford housing and are literally dying. The government is not providing social services. It’s time for the people to do it.”

The wooden structure was specifically designed by architects to be safe and to comply with DC regulations, and meets the “temporary structure” standard. It is “prefabricated, modular and mobile structure – legally similar to the tents.” It lacks a foundation and can be taken down in under an hour. As such, it does not violate city ordinances. According to @OccupyKSt,

This structure is our way of escalating without being destructive; you can “smash” the status quo without smashing anything. #occupydc

This morning, police arrived and ordered the structure to be removed. They gave OccupyDC one hour to disassemble it. The Occupiers began holding an emergency General Assembly to decide what to do. Some were prepared to take down the structure, while the majority seemed in favor of civil disobedience. The GA was unable to reach consensus before the police moved in to attack all those left inside. Many willing Occupiers stayed within the structure to defend it, while a crowd of hundreds has gathered at McPherson Square.

I could do those. I already added Lt. Pike to a couple photos from tonight’s action at Occupy DC.

Lt. Pike on the scene

Lt. Pike steps in to assist park police

This’ll give you an idea of what Keiser’s recent fund raiser for #Occupy London was like:

Teaser for the concert video from the Dublin stop on Max Keiser’s Stand Up Rage Tour 2011/12

Bet you could you could do the musical score concepts as well! A rock opera like “Tommy” or should it be modelled off the hits of 1776? You decide!!

Depends on where you are and when you sell. There are places where farmland was higher, the tax valuations are still pegged to that, and prices have dropped.

But in general money seeks rents either through natural resources including land, “intellectual property”, entrepreneurial rents or monopolistic rents.

Sweeny Todd?

Kevin,

Tommorrow’s song will be posted as your dedication.

LOL! I forgot about that line. Perfect.

I thought so too. OWS-KStreet will love it.

Are the cops using hammers and crowbars now? I had to shut off livestream.

But in general money seeks rents either through natural resources including land, “intellectual property”, entrepreneurial rents or monopolistic rents.

I think it is important to point out that the construct of British Common Law (a product of feudalism) and the legal forms of so many other aboriginal peoples from around the world have been in conflict for a very long time. That we are collectively finally working through this and doing it as non-violently as possible is important and historic.

“We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us?” – ancient proverb more recently spoken by Chief Si’ahl in his native language

Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
“I just tried to offer this police offer a copy of the US Constitution. He said ‘no thank you.’ No shit.” #occupydc
4 minutes ago

Well ain’t that sweet. Bless their little hearts.

They turned the park lights back on now so they can see how to take down the structure.

The Chief is a very wise man.

Would you do the honors for me of posting Good Night?

LS Occupy DC

Tearing the structure down with a backhoe.

Good point. Re-establish some of the basis of “common law” so that it is not exclusively English common law.

The structure was damaged with a backhoe rendering it structurally unstable rather than allowing an optimal reuse of lumber now that it has been splintered.

LS Occupy DC

Police were checking inside tents unannounced. The legal team is working to get an injunction because they think that eviction might be planned. But not tonight.

Just came in to see this post. What a hoot! I’m no First Amendment expert, just a civil litigator when I was practicing, and really just a market guy now, but this looks to me like a pure political expression act. Of course, that don’t matter to cops. We’ll see what the courts say. These guys on the building, what can you say, they are fearless and magnificent. A fantastic job of making the Establishment look ridiculous.

Our “capitalism” came from feudalism. Time to enter the 21st century!

Re DC from the live stream:

“Fork lift of persecution is making another dive [at the structure].”

LS Occupy DC

Police are also throwing the Occupy DC stage into the trash. That predated the house structure.

Correction, not a backhoe but a forklift is what destroyed the building.

There’s a show on ProgressiveRadioNetwork.com called The Lifeboat Hour, hosted by Mike Ruppert of copvcia.com. Mike is a fan of OWS, and gives it a lot of coverage.

One of his guests tonight said that interoccupy.org has started with the purpose of coordinating various OccupyX’s. They have 200 local Occupy X’s interested (or on board?).

You can participate in their conference calls.

I used the words of AJ, the LS operator. I can heard the equipment but haven’t got a good look at it. Sounds like diesel commercial class devices by Caterpillar Inc. The LS operator says a bulldozer is taking down the rest of the structure. These devices had to be brought in on trailers pulled by trucks. All the equipment operators have to have CDLs. I don’t think they are union workers.

A Cree-Irish Canadian artist’s clever anti-industrial, environmental “please wake up” protest video:

“That Don’t Impress Me Much” – Shania Twain

I saw it. It is a forklift. The unions have instructions that doing anything to harm Occupy DC is crossing picket line. Likely a nonunion contractor from somewhere. Or nonunion federal employee.

Now the forklift is taking off more barricades.

Thanks for bringing that confirmation to us! I also saw on another channel a message from Anonymous for folks to please get off the couch now and really get busy in a constructive way.

OccupyLA #OccupyLA
gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILL…

#NDAA Read P. 362 specifically (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation….
29 minutes ago

FYI Here’s the current text.

15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require
18 ment to detain a person in military custody under
19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
20 States.
21 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require
22 ment to detain a person in military custody under
23 this section does not extend to a lawful resident
24 alien of the United States on the basis of conduct
25 taking place within the United States, except to the
1 extent permitted by the Constitution of the United
2 States.
3 (c) IMPLEMENTATION PROCEDURES.—
4 (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days after
5 the date of the enactment of this Act, the President
6 shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for
7 implementing this section.
8 (2) ELEMENTS.—The procedures for imple
9 menting this section shall include, but not be limited
10 to, procedures as follows:
11 (A) Procedures designating the persons au
12 thorized to make determinations under sub
13 section (a)(2) and the process by which such
14 determinations are to be made.
15 (B) Procedures providing that the require
16 ment for military custody under subsection
17 (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongo
18 ing surveillance or intelligence gathering with
19 regard to persons not already in the custody or
20 control of the United States.
21 (C) Procedures providing that a determina
22 tion under subsection (a)(2) is not required to
23 be implemented until after the conclusion of an
24 interrogation session which is ongoing at the
25 time the determination is made and does not
1 require the interruption of any such ongoing
2 session.
3 (D) Procedures providing that the require
4 ment for military custody under subsection
5 (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law en
6 forcement, or other government officials of the
7 United States are granted access to an indi
8 vidual who remains in the custody of a third
9 country.
10 (E) Procedures providing that a certifi
11 cation of national security interests under sub
12 section (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose
13 of transferring a covered person from a third
14 country if such a transfer is in the interest of
15 the United States and could not otherwise be
16 accomplished.
17 (d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—This section shall take effect
18 on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment
19 of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons de
20 scribed in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody
21 or brought under the control of the United States on or
22 after that effective date.

Thanks. Post it here and I will include it in the morning’s blog. I’d like to start featuring more music in the blog, especially since it’s the holiday season.

LS – Occupy DC

Cordoning off some tents and asking people to stay away from the cordoned area, assuring them that they can get their stuff in the morning.

Some people have medicines in those tents that they are not allowed to access. If they need help, they should call an ambulance.

LS – Occupy DC

David and six others did not have IDs. They will be staying overnight.

Occupy_DC Occupy Washington DC
Police locked of half of the camp and are searching every tent now looking for a reason to kick us out.
6 minutes ago

OccupyAustin OccupyAustin
After #OccupyAustin’s ban on Capitol was lifted 12/1, on #Dec3 we held a full day of events at Capitol including ~50 person #GA. #OWS
3 minutes ago

OccupySantaCruz Occupy Santa Cruz
ATTENTION: OCCUPY SANTA CRUZ IS RIGHT NOW FACING COMPLETE EVICTION FROM THE COURTHOUSE STEPS! We need your… fb.me/1xjnMJ1IF
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
#OWSHungerStrike being arrested again. Live: livestream.com/occupynyc #ows
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Well, it’s past midnight on the East Coast.

From Peasant Party to all Occupiers: “Edward R. Murrow, March 9, 1954”

I’ll add a musical lullaby for a good rest and sweet dreams: “Orinoco Flow” performed by Libera

For Tarhill and YSD:

Your discovery has grown legs and made it to the press.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-militarization-of-u-s-police/

A Special Monday Morning Edition of:

GoooooD Morning, Vietnam Occupy!

Had to go to town yesterday. It gave me the opportunity to support the Army of Salvation, along with VETS of all the branches.

That’s right, the red pot and bells for the Salvation Army caught a few bucks from me.

That basket filled with red poppies got 5 bucks because my entire family has served in all the branches since before the Revolution. No, not this one, THE FIRST ONE!

Today’s song is dedicated to Occupy K-Street from Kevin the Dissenter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-zK1S5Dws

Last night’s joke:

How many cops does it take to remove one David?

If you need to catch up on last night’s happening you can see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd9zGgL6E5c

Today is the big Occupy Waterfront action. Longshoremen Unions are expected to participate.

I am wishing them all successful Occupation.

That is just stuff from the source that tipped us off. It goes into how Israeli tactics operate but does not highlight the commercial drivers of moving police departments in the Israeli direction. Remember the Alameda event occurred before September 17.

One question I have is the time of the Boston Urban Shield relative to the brutal crackdown on the Occupy Boston overflow site.

Another is whether Philly, Portland, and Seattle police have participated in similar events.

And then there is the use of bicycle cops effectively as cavalry against the demonstrator, creating flying kettling.

Police may be out ticketing Portland, OR Occupiers at Shemanski Park. Looking for citizen’s media to chime in to find out what’s actually happening as local W$M already on Twitter this morning.

Camp Liberty (Philly) Threatened with Eviction by PENNDOT

This is the camp that the city permitted during the negotiations with Occupy Philly for accommodation of the homeless who were living at Dilworth Plaza.

Another negotiation in bad faith. Another instance of wanting to hide the homeless or run them out of town.

OccupyWallStNYC #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Really?! RT @Infidel007: #OWS The owner of Zuccottti Park owes the City of New York $140,000 in back taxes.
2 hours ago

West Coast port shutdown announcement video

OccupyFresno Occupy Fresno
Dec6th Fresno board of supes vote for a 3% pay raise for elected officials,and 9% decrease to lowest paid workers,call 600-3529 tell them NO
6 hours ago

OccupyVentura 99%ers
We’re home to largest port (Hueneme) between LA & SF. If you’re interested in helping with the shutdown, let us know. @OccupySFV @OccupyCSUN
5 hours ago

Thank you so much for the sign off last night. My machine was smoking hot and I had to shut down. I really appreciate it.

Today’s Good Morning is a good one for Monday.

Occupy DC this morning

The Peoples Pentagon Pavilion was so temporary that you would never know it had been there. Forklift must have had rubber tires; no tire tracks.

Occupy DC

Still there — for now.

Zucotti Park is a Tax Cheat!

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/05/381685/zuccotti-park-owe-back-taxes/

OH, JEEBUS!

I really like Greg Mitchell, but WTF?

He is now selecting daily songs for OWS!

Kevin, You got either competition or a copy cat.

OccupyPhilly Occupy Philadelphia
quakers and #occupyphilly helping move homeless getting re-evicted Richmond&ECumberland right now
6 minutes ago

He’s been doing that for a while now. Great minds and all…

New Liveblog upstairs.

Chris Hedges, Truthdig: Where Were You When They Crucified My Movement?

Speech at the demonstration at Trinity Church (Episcopal), NYC 12/3/2011

Hmmm.

Well, Kevin has been liveblogging since day one. He was still covering Wikileaks then. I’ve been supporting Kevin since before Day 1.

I’ll hold off my Southern scorn until I investigate.

West Coast port shutdown announcement video

(1) Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

(2) Only capitalists worry about who gets the credit for something because reputation is something that can be monetized

(3) Great ideas are always “in the air” of the cultural environment; nothing ever is original. Just another part of a great dialogue.

Brian Eno talks about culture being based on memes and metaphors. I would add that it is also based on repetition, rhythm, rhymes, and puns.

What we share are social constructions.

Occupy Harrisonburg VA:

Brian Kaylor: Right to Assemble

Perhaps Bloomberg should read the whole First Amendment because it is about much more than simply free speech. It also has that part about not abridging “the right of the people peaceably to assemble.” That is the section that is relevant to the occupy movement meeting in parks or in gazebos on the court square. Although the occupy movement is clearly exercising free speech rights, the problem with Bloomberg using what he thinks is his “own army” to evict the occupiers is really a matter of assembly rights. Regardless of what one thinks about the message of the occupy movement, their First Amendment rights should be protected–or else none of us can really be confident we have such rights. In his statement, Bloomberg added that protesters ” are welcome there to exercise their First Amendment rights” but “going forward, must follow all park rules.” Yet, when did a park rule come to trump the First Amendment? If the First Amendment merely protects free speech, then Bloomberg and other mayors are within their rights to evict the occupiers (as is being threatened at this moment in New Orleans). However, if the First Amendment is about more than free speech–and it is–then Bloomberg and other mayors are violating the rights of nonviolent individuals to assemble.

Another section from Brian Kaylor’s article:

As Supreme Court Justice Owen Roberts wrote in a 1938 opinion:

Wherever the title of streets and parks may rest, they have immemorially been held in trust for the use of the public and, time out of mind, have been used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between citizens, and discussing public questions. Such use of the streets and public places has, from ancient times, been a part of the privileges, immunities, rights, and liberties of citizens.

Occupy Philly livestream from Camp Liberty eviction

Horace Boothroyd III, Daily Kos diary: Occupy LA:One Marine’s Account of Intimidation by LAPD Video

I’m loving that. How can anyone argue with a straight face that petty and arbitrary local permit ordinances and park rules can trump the First Amendment? It’s patently ridiculous.