
Screen shot of Obama during the "Your Interview" event.
(update below)
Billed as the “first-ever completely virtual interview from the White House,” YouTube and Google+ hosted an event this evening called “Your Interview with the President.” President Barack Obama answered video questions and also took questions from a few individuals who were selected to be a part of a “hangout.” The questions were on the economy, education and a few were on digital freedom and foreign policy issues.
Two questions of interest, given Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta’s interview last night on 60 Minutes, were questions on drone use. A young male asked about drones and how they have caused many civilian casualties. The setup for the question was connected to an article that ran in the New York Times today on a fleet of surveillance drones the State Department is employing in Iraq for protection.
Obama answered the question by criticizing the NYT article and said that he thought it was “overwritten” because the US is not engaged in a bunch of drone attacks in Iraq. That would be a fair criticism if there was any suggestion at all in the article that drones are being used to kill Iraqis right now.
The first paragraph clearly states:
A month after the last American troops left Iraq, the State Department is operatinga small fleet of surveillance drones here to help protect the United States Embassy and consulates, as well as American personnel. Some senior Iraqi officials expressed outrage at the program, saying the unarmed aircraft are an affront to Iraqi sovereignty.
Obama then said he wanted to make sure people understood drones have not caused a huge number of casualties. The government has only been using “precise” strikes against al Qaeda and their affiliates. He said there’s a “perception” that the US is engaging in a bunch of strikes “willy nilly” when what is happening is a “targeted effort” to get people on a list, who want to hit Americans and American facilities.
This is a terribly indifferent answer when considering the reality of the impact of drone strikes carried out by America. In fact, it might give one the impression that there have been no civilian casualties and only members of al Qaeda or members from affiliated groups have been targeted and killed. The reality is, according to work done by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ), 168 children have been killed during the seven years that the CIA has been launching drone strikes in Pakistan. These dead children account for 44% of the 385 civilians reportedly killed in drone attacks.
The answer also obscures the truth that drone strikes have not always been carried out against people whose identities are entirely known. A Wall Street Journal article showed in November of last year that the CIA uses something called “signature strikes” against “groups of men believed to be militants associated with terrorist groups, but whose identities aren’t always known.” These kind of strikes make up the “bulk” of the “CIA’s drone strikes.”
The US government consistently disputes reports in the aftermath of attacks, when countries claim innocent civilians have been killed. Those killed are almost always “militants” no matter how old they are.
Obama said the program for strikes is “kept on a very tight leash” and that it isn’t run by a “bunch of folks in a room somewhere making decisions.” That’s correct. The program is actually much more totalitarian in its nature. As described in an article published to promote the PBS FRONTLINE documentary “Top Secret America”:
A couple of times a month, a pleasant-sounding secretary from the CIA’s CTC trekked across the agency’s campus to its old headquarters building, took the elevator to the seventh floor of executive suites, and handed acting CIA general counsel John Rizzo a manila envelope marked “top secret,” with a standard pink routing slip attached to the outside. Rizzo was involved in daily operations in the decade following the 9/11 attacks. He had been part of the spy world for thirty-three years, and never had he found himself in such a strange and lonely position. He would remove the two-to-five-page dossier from the envelope and read it alone in his office. It was information on the habits and history of the next man whom officers at the CTC wanted to kill — without a hearing, without giving the targeted man a chance to refute the information or even to admit guilt and surrender. Instead, Rizzo, the lawyers at the CTC, and the head of the National Clandestine Service (formerly the CIA Directorate of Operations) would act as judge and jury on these terrorism files. [emphasis added]
The person asking the question about drone use spoke up and got in a follow up question. This time he asked the question that is at the center of the New York Times article: “Do they [drones] send the message that the US is interfering in other country’s affairs?”
Obama responded that America has to be “judicious” in how it uses drones and understand that “our ability to respect the sovereignty of other countries and to limit the incursions into other territories is enhanced by our ability” to spot operatives. The ability is improved by going after “suspects” from al Qaeda along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan with drones because for the US “to get the men other ways would require more intrusive military actions.”
What Obama is saying, of course, is in order to prosecute the “war on terrorism” (which the Obama administration does not call the “war on terrrorism” anymore), Americans must accept that the US can either use robotic warfare that intrudes the air space of sovereign countries or it can use troops and much more military equipment, which intrudes upon the ground space of sovereign countries. Either way, there are people in these countries that give us carte blanche to respond because they are believed to pose a “threat” to America and the US must be able to strike at them without being restricted by a country’s government.
And, when Obama says America must be “judicious,” he does not acknowledge the way in which America is going in and targeting individuals like US-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and killing them without due process.
Obama concluded, I am “looking forward to a time when al Qaeda is no longer an operative network and we can refocus our assets on a lot of other issues” but there is “still a lot of plots directed at the US.” Al Qaeda is “weakened” but America still has “got a lot of work to do.”
What kind of work though? The American people are expected to trust the president as the government continues to suggest there is this network of boogeymen extremists out there that will stop at nothing to kill Americans and go after American targets. That may be true but the sober reality is much closer to the following from think tanker John Mueller:
Outside of war zones, the amount of killing carried out by al Qaeda and al Qaeda linkees, maybes, and wannabes throughout the entire world since 9/11 stands at perhaps a few hundred per year. That’s a few hundred too many, of course, but it scarcely presents an existential, or elephantine, threat. And the likelihood that an American will be killed by a terrorist of any ilk stands at one in 3.5 million per year, even with 9/11 included.
In fact, the use of drones is probably more likely to radicalize people and pose a larger threat to Americans than the few hundred remaining members of al Qaeda.
It should be noted this was a “post-State of the Union conversation.” Drones were never mentioned in the recent State of the Union address so without this event put on by YouTube and Google+ the president would have gone about his business not saying a word about how the government is increasingly relying on robotic warfare.
Update
The words Obama offered on drones also are notable because he didn’t dispute the use of drones in Pakistan. Typically, the Administration has refused to acknowledge the use of drones but as The Nation‘s Jeremy Scahill remarked on Twitter yesterday: “Obama confirms drone use. Whew! Now we can finally have this discussion.”



58 Comments

Judicious, hmmm, from a man who jerks off to every bit of violence he can commandeer.
“In YouTube Event, Government Defends Use of Obama Drone.”
One can only hope he’s caught red-handed with a pot plant in the WH basement.
’20 Years for You!’
Judicious?
As in judge, jury and executioner?
Yes, just like I have to be judicious in how many times a day I say “Fuck you, Obama.” Only sometimes I’m not. Many times.
How about US military/Obama use of drones in the US against US citizens?
“Police employ Predator drone spy planes on home front Unmanned aircraft from an Air Force base in North Dakota help local police with surveillance, raising questions that trouble privacy advocates.
Lets connect the dots.
1. US military has been using drones against US citizens since 2005.
2. US military has killed US citizens via drones without trial.
3. Obama just signed bill codifying US military having power to kill US citizens anytime, anywhere for any reason.
Obama is a Ghost – a Secret Kissinger Tool. Anyone who may have known anything about him is conveniently dead.
I blame the Norwegian Nobel committee.
Damn you gotta admit this stone fascist mofo is the damn cleverest thing the MIC-Plutoganda complex has EVER come up with.
One of the stories is that O never attended Columbia, but was instead in Afghanistan (1981-83) fighting the Soviets with the muj.
When you lie down with conspiracy theorists, who knows what you wake up with.
But if this isn’t the strangest PR announcement that Columbia’s first alum to be POTUS that you could imagine… 4 sentences about O, then 3 more mentioning several other Columbia alums.
Judicious assassinations and executions? And this is our President? We are so far over the edge.
Yeah, you can’t use them against friendly dictators.
I’ve never heard of a Judicious megalomanic but you learn something new every day.
AMEN
Well said!
Silly, you use them FOR friendly dictators.
I’m thinking we take out those that won’t bend over and the next guy in line will willing bend over then thank US .
Rapists have more morals than the CIA.
Drones can also be used to keep friendly dictators in power by taking out their oppo.
How about when we say judicious, we mean with respect to the judicial requirements of the country whose airspace we’re violating.
The Iraqis are outraged. How dare they be, after everything the U.S. did for them. /W
Um, I think all airspace is U.S. airspace, just like all oil is U.S. oil, no matter where it happens to be inconveniently located. Carter Doctrine.
Obama claims the power to have you detained indefinitely, based on suspicion only, without charges or a formal hearing. His administration allows torture (if outsourced, perhaps). And his OLC provides him cover (although the memos are secret for the rest of us) with the power to legally kill you without due process.
But, oh yeah, Obama used the word ‘judicious.’ Obots must be thrilled.
But but but Romney sucks more. You can trust O but you can’t trust Mitt. /s
I believe people with good karma have trouble parking in a crowded parking lot. In other words, I don’t believe in karma at all. But this country deserves whatever it gets in November. Yeah, that’s right: US fuck’n A. Just win, baby. Own it. USA!
Sucks More
regional Dems on the CA Central Coast aplluaded when their candidate for State senate said Obama is doing terrible things but he still supports him. Vischy Dems?
But, but, Lily Ledbetter!
Politics is a team sport. Learned that from my son who supported Jets thru every losing season.
Live by the sword die by the sword, the wars have come full circle back to home.Surprised ,nah.
At what point do good citizens need to stop paying taxes to fund illegal wars and atrocities abroad? A toughie, I know, and it’s easy to ignore the problem and wish it away while tring to figure out how to pay your bills. But people have to start thinking about our renegade government, and ask what ‘good Americans’ are called upon to do about it.
What is a patriot anymore?
What was a patriot ever? Sucker.
Hope we get locked in the same final solution camp. The “camps” are next, if not one way helo rides to the ocean.
Indeed. I sorta wish #OWS used the flag more prominently (the stolen symbol of the right-wing). The visuals of porcine cops tearing down the flag-draped encampments…imagine how cornfuzed the Merkins wud be.
NYS helo goes over my house once or twice/day. I figure I’m not long for this world, what with blogging & surveillance (allegedly NYC aqueduct which runs along property line).
Yeah, can’t use the flag too much as a symbol.
Obama IS a drone
Esp when he gives those empty boring speeches, which, if you haven’t noticed, is the only time he smiles. Cause he’s pulling the wool over our eyes.
According to US intelligences sources (the same ones that identified the targets), the people killed were militants. Does the US not understand that their “shady” intelligence sources could play them either to settle old scores or to attack innocents and inflame opposition to US occupation.
Oops just doesn’t do for an explanation nor does minimizing the “collateral damage”.
There are serious national security issues here that the military (and by extension the commander-in-chief) are not willing to address.
I agree. I want to see a forest of right-side-up American flags on poles and let the cops yank those suckers from the hands of peaceful protesters….or will it be a deterrent to police brutality?
Whose flag? Our flag!
The Tunisians, Egyptians, Libyans, and Syrians understood this. Why is it so hard in the US? This is not a frigging Vietnam War protest. This is one that working folk and police and military understand.
They’re addressing the real issues all right, with a nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah. They don’t care for a second. Drone strikes just today’s version of McNamara’s body count. U.S. is winning the war, dontcha know.
Interesting. Yes, Obama’s smile is practiced and phoney (like every other pol’s). But I only noticed recently how dead his eyes look. (Like the pic at the top.) Huh?
Guess it doesn’t mean much, really. He’s simply an asshole. And whatever comes after him will be just as bad, if not worse.
USA!
Yep, that sure explains folks like Daniel Morgan, Isaac Shelby, Andrew Pickens, Thomas Sumter, Nathaniel Greene, ,,,,suckers all.
Or do you mean the J. Edgar Hoover version of “patriot”?
All Obama has to do to answer his critics is invite other countries to fly drones over Washington, DC, in a limited use to survey their embassies. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind if they did.
Let’s not so personalize it. Politcian = asshole. That sort of hubris and bullying is a qualification for the job in current American political culture. The GOP is running a biggest asshole contest as a primary.
It is why a movement like Occupy Wall Street is necessary.
Focusing on that obscures the fact that the national security institutions we have were created in 1947 to fight a Cold War (which became a series of hot wars with allies of the Soviet Union). That war ended in 1989. Completely and totally. Yet, twenty-three years later we are still stuck with those institutions, and their job security has to do with looking for a new mission. The two simultaneous war purpose sorta flopped bigtime in Iraq and Afghanistan because W squandered the US’s deterrent standing as the sole superpower by actually showing what that power was. Perceptions are better than exposed weaknesses.
Now having defeated the terrorists (that’s what I keep hearing at the same time I hear that there will always be terrorists), the military is looking for ways to justify its existence without demanding a draft of voters’ children. “Unmanned” solves the problem. And then once you have a weapon, you must use it (as Poppy Bush did Jimmy Carter’s cruise missiles) or you have wasted money.
Instead of railing against the assholes, cut to the chase. Exactly what are the national security institutions that are appropriate to the world in which the US exists if the US conforms to its stated traditional values instead of its corporate interests?
Good one. He could ask Congress to smile for the camera.
Barack Obama and his banality of evil. I’m starting to think this “no drama Obama” is a great mask to a sociopath president. It’s possible he merely believes all the crap the military tells him because, as with Bush, he’s just too lazy to give a shit. Meanwhile, from the looks of my facebook page, I see all my Democratic friends fawning all over his recent photos of “fist butting” and walking around with his pretty little girls. He’s just a “regular” guy, they say. Democrats love this evil turd. The banality of evil.
For anyone who may not have seen this over in the comments on DDay’s round up tonight:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/British-tourists-arrested-America-terror-charges-Twitter-jokes.html
I would highly recommend taking a peek.
When the imbeciles running our security infrastructure are this stupid and incompetent, how can we possibly believe that anyone else working in that system can properly identify a terrorist anywhere in the world?
I would argue that they can’t. Obama pretends he and his minions are omniscient and infallible, an extremely dangerous proposition. And now that city councilors in Oakland are calling Occupiers “domestic terrorists”, well, lets just say it won’t be long until our drones come home to roost.
Obama has used the support of the military to insulate him from a whole lot of racism that questions his patriotism. To gain that support, he has had to to understand their point of view. The banality of evil is a structural characteristic, not a psychological one; read your Hannah Arendt. He believes a lot of the crap the military tells him for the same reason he believes a lot of the crap that other direct reports (such as Salazar or Vilsack) tell him because he doesn’t have independent sources of information in those departments. One of the handicaps of being an outsider–and relatively young.
Good point about the assumption of infallibility.
As for drones, they are unnecessary as long as you have the OPD. Wouldn’t want the collateral damage to hit the 1%.
“Judicious.” What does it mean today, with the Roberts Court in power?
If the US wants to be judicious, how about it join the world court, instead of acting like the lone wolf.
Thousands of civilians have been assassinated by these MURDER BY REMOTE hideous and cowardly tools of USA and Israel! The liar in chief is a WAR CRIMINAL!!
loads of drone info, and anti drone actions here…
http://upstatedroneaction.org/
I don’t understand why anybody would bother with this interview. Obama has proved himself to be a liar and totally untrustworthy. What is the point in listening to someone who you know will not tell the truth?
It’s no wonder the us spends as much as the rest of the world combined on military might.
It takes whatever it wants, any way it wants, whenever it wants and kills anyone who gets in its way. Politics is how they “explain it” away.
The primary obstacle to the US ratifying the Rome Treaty is having a 2/3 majority for it in the Senate. Count noses. Do you know 67 Senators who would ratify it right now. And argument for a lot of different people in the Senate.
The US has the capability that allows it to do it, but that is the underlying logic of the nation-state system (and most other international systems before it).
Would you please provide a link to that information?
Nikola Tesla described a fleet of unmanned aerial combat vehicles in 1915.[5] The US was spying inside the country with satellites since the 1980s [Patrick Korody, Satellite Surveillance Within U.S. Borders, 65 Ohio St. L.J. 1627 (2004)]. On a survey of just the FDL archives (many posts by emptywheel), there was all manner of jazzy surveillance tech in use and supposedly not used on Americans (wink, wink).
Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) have been deployed outside the US for killing since at least 1973:
As Xcroc observed, “The drone war is a career track. Its failures don’t matter” and cites:
“CIA’s Push for Drone War Driven by Internal Needs” (IPSNews.Net, by Gareth Porter, Sept. 5, 2005)
So to pre-pave that, the FAA made the “official” announcement of “unmanned aircraft” use in the US air space in 2004:
Now there has been the launch of USAF satellite(s) that can control unmanned vehicles (UV):
“Air Force launches military satellite into space” (AP via Boston.Com, Jan. 19, 2012)
So we know the illegal use “against” precedes the legalization of the activities by corporate cronies posing as Congressional members. If we reel in this whole madness, we can also prevent any case of an American killed by a UV on American soil.
Hey mzchief, did your twitter account get hacked? I got a direct message from your account that looked very suspicious.
Yes, temporarily. The offending DM looks like a recursive password/security hole phishing device and it started elsewhere. I did 2 follow-up global Tweets after I did a scrub down on my side.