UPDATE – 1:33 PM EST I will be appearing on RT’s “The Alyona Show” at 6:30 PM EST to talk about the release.
UPDATE – 1:30 PM EST James Ball of The Guardian, who left WikiLeaks to work for The Guardian and doesn’t like the whistleblowing organization much at all, appears to be the first journalist to suggest lives have been put at risk by this release.
The emails published to date contain no redactions of information relating to individuals passing information to Stratfor, or anyone else, raising concern for the personal safety of some individuals in the cache.
One email, purportedly from a private security contractor, details an apparent assassination attempt on an individual in Libya, seemingly due to mistaken identity with a member of the country’s transitional council.
The email details the surname of the targeted individual, and even coordinates of his house.
There’s no link to the actual email. The Guardian or James Ball doesn’t post it so we can see it for ourselves. We take Ball at his word that some contractor is now endangered. We accept the insinuation that the contractor is still in his house and thus now possibly at risk of an attack.
UPDATE – 12:23 PM EST Here Sean Noonan, tactical analyst, alleges Palantir is helping to fund Facebook. He notes that Palantir was implicated in release of HBGary emails showing planned disinformation campaign against WikiLeaks.
UPDATE – 12:18 PM EST Stratfor analyst contemplate how to make money off organizations focusing on “leak-proof” network security in aftermath of WikiLeaks releases. (Also, interesting discussion on how the issue isn’t technology that secures a network but the people using the network. It is the people that decide to release classified information, not the systems.)
UPDATE – 12:13 PM EST Now it looks like a few more emails just went up on WikiLeaks’ website. This email features Fred Burton of Stratfor claiming that he knows an Iranian physicist hit was the result of a subbed out contract by the Israeli Mossad.
UPDATE – 11:48 AM EST L’Espresso has posted emails showing that a Stratfor employee claimed to have access to materials seized from Osama bin Laden’s compound in the Seals Team 6 raid. Stratfor apparently began to work to get information on specific operational plans, communications with franchise groups (like AQAP) and connections to anyone with the Pakistani state.

Here is the specific email on Bin Laden arrangements with the Pakistani government.
UPDATE – 11:38 AM EST Ryan Gallagher for The Guardian describes the offshoot or subgroup of Anonymous, AntiSec, and what they have been up to in the past year.
UPDATE – 10:21 AM EST Not surprisingly, Stratfor condemns the email release and also contends the emails being released are not actual Stratfor emails. And, of course, CNN is more than happy to help the seedy private intelligence firm get its message out. In fact, as of this hour, they have provided more reporting on what Stratfor thinks than the actual release itself:
The private intelligence firm Stratfor called the release of 5 million of its e-mails by WikiLeaks a “deplorable, unfortunate and illegal breach of privacy.”
“Some of the e-mails may be forged or altered to include inaccuracies; some may be authentic,” the Texas-based firm said. “We will not validate either. Nor will we explain the thinking that went into them.”
UPDATE – 9:47 AM EST Ynet News, based in Israel, reports on emails involving a source who suggested Israel destroyed all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. They were helped by Kurdish rebels.
Also:
…In case of a direct conflict between Israel and Iran, Russia and Saudi Arabia would benefit from an oil price hike. On the other hand, China and Europe would suffer if such an event were to occur…
According to Israel’s plans, claimed the intelligence source, an attack on Iran would last 48 hours but would be so detrimental to the Islamic Republic that it would lead to the collapse of the Tehran government.
UPDATE – 9:35 AM EST At one point, the Thailand Ministry of ICT blocked access to some of the Stratfor emails released. That block may have been lifted now.
UPDATE – 9:22 AM EST Email showing how Stratfor setup a payment-laundering network that went through the Bahamas
UPDATE – 9:05 AM EST Forty or so more emails have been posted on the WikiLeaks website.
UPDATE – 9:00 AM EST Moments ago, WikiLeaks press conference wrapped. Here is a complete video of the conference:
From the conference, Julian Assange states:
Over the last ten years, the private intelligence industry has boomed in the United States and in other countries and is now a real factor in world affairs. But with its growth there has not been commensurate growth in accountability mechanisms that should be investigating and controlling these organizations like the controls that are place—believe it or not there are some—on military and intelligence organizations.
Assange shares this latest discovery: Stratfor was hired by the Coca Cola corporation to monitor and assess PETA activists in relation to the 2009 Vancouver Olympics.
More than 4,000 emails discuss WikiLeaks and its activities. The inter-connection between Stratfor and the US Government has made that a real issue. Assange adds, This is an organization that does not just collect information – through bribes – but also to act on that information to subvert groups like WikiLeaks.
Stratfor setup an international payment-laundering network going through the Bahamas, through Switzerland and through pre-paid credit cards used to pay off its informers in different countries. Stratfor spent more than $100,000/year on costs. The “Geronimo” source was paid $1200/month to be an informant.
UPDATE – 12:19 AM EST Yes Men press release on Stratfor emails that show they were being monitored by the company:
Many of the Bhopal-related emails, addressed from Stratfor to Dow and Union Carbide public relations directors, reveal concern that, in the lead-up to the 25th anniversary of the Bhopal disaster, the Bhopal issue might be expanded into an effective systemic critique of corporate rule, and speculate at length about why this hasn’t yet happened—providing a fascinating window onto what at least some corporate types fear most from activists…
…Just as Wall Street has at times let slip their fear of the Occupy Wall Street movement, these leaks seem to show that corporate power is most afraid of whatever reveals “the larger whole” and “broader issues,” i.e. whatever brings systemic criminal behavior to light. “Systemic critique could lead to policy changes that would challenge corporate power and profits in a really major way,” noted Joseph Huff-Hannon, recently-promoted Director of Policy Analysis for the Yes Lab…
UPDATE – 12:16 AM EST NATO-Russia Council after the Georgia-Abkhazian war (Tip: use Google to translate the page)
UPDATE – 11:28 PM EST Incredibly fascinating email here on source within Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). Highlights:
When I used the term “Arab Spring” early on in our conversation, I was reprimanded. “Don’t call it the Arab Spring. We call it ‘The Upheaval’ where I work.” When I tried to explain that we typically scoff at calling it the Arab Spring as well, I was cut off, so that I could hear another lecture about how horrible Arabs were. Israelis aren’t the nicest people most of the time…
…Source openly said that none of this shit would be happening right now had Obama not abandoned Mubarak like he did. When I later criticized Bush for shattering the balance of power in the PG, source shot back, “Well what about Obama?” I said that Obama had maintained the same FP as Bush, a claim with which the source agreed. And yet the source loves Bush’s policies and hates Obama’s. Israelis are not a fan of Barack…
…Part of the reason that the message was confused message imo is because the source openly admits that in the IDI, people have a singular focus on the outside world. Like STRATFOR, they are largely disconnected with domestic politics. So the Syria people identify with Syria, the Hezbollah people will jokingly say stuff like, “I am in Hezbollah” when you ask them their AOR, etc.
- The IDI is very much focused on the Shiite crest ranging from Iran to Lebanon. Iran is the primary threat in the world today. Source was heavily concerned with how Yemen plays into this as well; much moreso than what we talk about. “AQAP is in control of south fucking Yemen, for God’s sake.” Source says they jokingly refer to AQAP as “AQHP” after the HP printer bombs that got seized on those DHL flights a few years back… [emphasis added]
UPDATE – 11:10 PM EST Al Akhbar English on the release of Stratfor emails, covering in particular the Middle East.
UPDATE – 9:14 PM EST Stratfor employees discuss how many billions of dollars Wachovia really laundered from Mexican drug cartels
UPDATE – 8:32 PM EST George Friedman, founder and CEO, on what elites of the world don’t get, in this email sent on February 20, 2010:
…One sense I’m getting here is that the American elite, alongwith Europe’s, China’s and just about everyone but Russia’s his suffering from three problems: First, none are really aware of the political pressures on other elites. Second, they completely misunderstand the alienation of the publics, three, except for [Paul] Volcker, they think this can be handled by the elites among themselves. We have a crisis of the elites, in my view…
UPDATE – 8:20 PM EST Carl Bildt, foreign minister of Sweden, is the subject of this email. He apparently wants Sweden to be a “world power”, doesn’t like Russia or Nicolas Sarkozy. Bildt is alleged to be conspiring against Julian Assange in Sweden and he says Karl Rove is an old friend.
UPDATE – 8:19 PM EST Greg Mitchell of The Nation is going to be live blogging too (I think).
UPDATE – 8:14 PM EST This will help you read the emails. Each one is marked with the following:
SOURCE: The ID of the source, say CN123. Sometimes this is left “no source ID” when it’s a new source.
ATTRIBUTION: How the source is to be attributed, i.e. “Source in the pharma distribution industry in China”, Stratfor source, etc.
SOURCE DESCRIPTION: Describes the source, for example: “Source works with Mercator Pharmaceutical Solutions, distributing pharma to developing countries.” These include concrete details on the source for internal consumption so that there’s a better understanding on the source’s background and ability to make assessments on the ground.
PUBLICATION: Yes or No. If the option is yes it doesn’t mean that it would be published, but rather that it _can_ be published.
SOURCE RELIABILITY: A/B
SOURCE RELIABILITY: A-F, A being the best and F being the worst. This grades the turnaround time of this source in responding to requests.
ITEM CREDIBILITY: 1-10, 1 being the best and 10 being the worst (we may change the range here in the future). this changes a lot based on the info provided. 1 is “you can take this to the bank” and 10 would be an example of maybe – “this is a totally ridiculous rumor but something that is spreading on the ground”
SPECIAL HANDLING: often this is “none” but it may be something like, “if you use this we need to be sure not to mention the part about XXX in the publication” or any other special notes
SOURCE HANDLER: the person who can take follow-up questions and communicate with the source.
UPDATE – 8:11 PM EST WikiLeaks has released 167 emails, which can be viewed here.
UPDATE – 8:00 PM EST Publicio has published an article on the announcement. In it they make an interesting note about the CIA and the emails:
…[T]he CIA in the shade is financed largely with public money from Western countries , because their fees are paid by many ministries and government agencies around the world (although primarily serve the U.S. from his base in Austin, Texas), and also draws on the information we provide them to those who then sells it. A sweet deal emerged from the neoliberal doctrine of outsourcing all utilities (including secrets) and that is to privatize espionage…

Original Post
WikiLeaks has just announced that it is publishing the “Global Intelligence Files,” over five million emails from the Texas-headquartered “global intelligence company known as Stratfor. The leaks organization describes the emails as documents that show “Stratfor’s web of informers, pay-off structure, payment-laundering techniques and psychological methods.”
The organization’s press release explains the emails show the “inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal’s Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defense Intelligence Agency.”
The emails apparently show details on the “US government’s attacks against Julian Assange and WikiLeaks,” along with “Stratfor’s own attempt to subvert WikiLeaks.” They also expose the “revolving door that operates in private intelligence companies in the United States,” like, for example, “how Stratfor has recruited a global network of informants who are paid via Swiss banks accounts and pre-paid credit cards.” These informants are government employees, embassy staff members and journalists from all over the world.
They show how Stratfor targeted the “Yes Men” and monitored Bhopal activists for their activism against Dow Chemical, which was responsible for the Dow Chemical/Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal, India, in 1984 and caused thousands of deaths, the injury of millions of people and significant environmental damage.
Here is just one of salient example of the corruption WikiLeaks is shining a light on:
“[Y]ou have to take control of him. Control means financial, sexual or psychological control… This is intended to start our conversation on your next phase” – CEO George Friedman to Stratfor analyst Reva Bhalla on 6 December 2011, on how to exploit an Israeli intelligence informant providing information on the medical condition of the President of Venezuala, Hugo Chavez.
Beyond that, WikiLeaks uncovered how David Leigh of The Guardian was conspiring with Haaretz journalist Yossi Melman to move US diplomatic cables to Israel in violation of a WikiLeaks contract.
To my knowledge, there are no actual emails on the WikiLeaks website to read yet. There is just this announcement, along with a list of 25 media organizations that have the emails and are working as media partners to cover revelations in the emails over the coming weeks.
Here is the press release from WikiLeaks. To truly understand the significance of this leak of emails—which were given to WikiLeaks by members of Anonymous—the entire press release announcement has to be read.
WikiLeaks has put up tips on how to read the data they are publishing. They link to a guide that people should read to understand the jargon in the emails: Stratfor Glossary of Useful, Baffling and Strange Terms.
I will be live blogging the release of the Stratfor emails. Updates will appear at the top of the post. I will put up a new post at 7:00 pm EST each day (every 24 hours after the announcement).



362 Comments

Hotdiggity!!! I thought the stratfor hack was BS because it’s taken so long.
Just in case the wiki link gets too busy, jaraparilla posted the text of the press release here.
Barium Meal is going to become the new hanging chad of the political lexicon. Hahaha. Wheeeeeeeee!
I’m most interested in how hyatt and Kimberly Clark are major clients. Is this union busting, or is kimberly clark fronting to keep lee fang away from the koch brothers?;)
The one doc says the hyatt heir had paid for training of someone who may be a security guard(see my twitter stream), so it may not be that major, but i cant wait for more docs.
Yes Men on the stratfor emails.
Where is everybody?
This is what i read on wiki about the Guardian
Stratfor claims that it operates “without ideology, agenda or national bias”, yet the emails reveal private intelligence staff who align themselves closely with US government policies and channel tips to the Mossad – including through an information mule in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Yossi Melman, who conspired with Guardian journalist David Leigh to secretly, and in violation of WikiLeaks’ contract with the Guardian, (re) move WikiLeaks US diplomatic cables to Israel.
This is so huge. The Guardian made money out of wikileaks, in publishing them made it look like they stood with the truth and the people. they then went on to undermine and discredit assange. Now we learn they were acting as agents for Israel, what else did they REMOVE. What this shows is the Guardian knew the info was going to come out, so by controlling it, they got to pick and choose what was headline info and thus control the message.
I hope they are EXPOSED for this and what they really represent
I KNEW IT! Whoop! It finally comes out, from the horse’s mouth no less!
I’m not crazy. No, I’m not. I knew it! (dancing a jig)
Stratfor claims that it operates “without ideology, agenda or national bias”, yet the emails reveal private intelligence staff who align themselves closely with US government policies and channel tips to the Mossad – including through an information mule in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Yossi Melman, who conspired with Guardian journalist David Leigh to secretly, and in violation of WikiLeaks’ contract with the Guardian, move WikiLeaks US diplomatic cables to Israel.
I’ll dance right along with ya. This s some serious stuff just released. Serious.
The Guardian has a lot of explaining to do. Who do they work for LOL
It certainly is and I am glad I am not the only one dancing. I thought everyone thought I was two steps off the cliff when I was trying to put that connection of Rove and Swedish officials together.
There is gonna be a lot of ‘splaining from a lot of people. I feel the earth shaking a little bit.
Several people within that organization have some serious ego issues! LOL!
They don’t have their own warrior hero. We have a real Spartacus!
I do too. Notice the MIC groups mentioned so far. Surely the Bankstas are included. They are afterall the two competitors at the moment.
IN COMING!
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George Friedman resigns.
A what a surprise/s
Owe you a coke.
agreed but this exposes them. They looked like heros when they worked with wikieleaks, but seems there true role was just to blunt the information as much as possible it was going to come up, so they stepped into the role of looking like the good guys, but it was really about controlling the flow.
AS I said let’s make sure this get out loud and clear and they are exposed as the puppets they are. We know about Fox etc but the real problem is paper’s like the Guardian as they fool so many people in thinking they bring the truth. They are the most vile type of control
Wachovia in the biz of money laundering for Mexican drug cartels.
And this one is for you, mswinkle!
Confirmation of your words:
The Stratfor Glossary is a hoot:
That information about Wachovia was published last summer. That and being nickel-and-dimed in bank fees was why I moved my account to a credit union last summer–before Occupy appeared on the scene.
Sheesh!
That last line reminded me of O’Keefe and Breitbart. ROTFL!
The Wachovia settlement was last May, which gave me a great story for the bank manager in the summer when I moved my accounts to a credit union.
The public notice of Wachovia’s settlement of the charges came out in May of last year, which provided me a good story for telling the bank manager why I was moving my accounts to a credit union.
The public news about that case and Wachovia’s “ethical” handling of money made a good story when I moved my accounts to a credit union last summer.
I have a lot of thoughts on the content, but did you notice they were sent via companies that are being paid by our government to spy on us? AT&T stood out clearly and if any of us were talking in those terms we would already have the spooks on our backs, good or bad craft!
THE first email targeting Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has been dumped by WikiLeaks.
“(Bildt) talks a lot about the traditional sphere of Swedish influence in the Baltic,” SW01 writes to his Stratfor contact Marko Papic. “From his experiences in the Balkans he has decided that he does not like Croats and Albanians. “He is also very critical of Russia.”
WikiLeaks has promised more to come, with spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson claiming that “we have a document that shows the close relationship between Carl Bildt and Washington insiders.”
Bildt “will have to step down. This will be the end of his political career,” an unnamed person with access to the unpublished diplomatic cable was quoted as saying.
http://www.news.com.au/world/sweden-should-become-a-world-power-wikileaks-opens-its-carl-bildt-file/story-e6frfkyi-1226282749798
WikiLeaks claims it has documents exposing Sweden’s foreign minister Carl Bildt as an American spy and is promising to publish them soon. The documents prove that Bildt has been a US informer since 1973 and that he collaborated with the US government in ways that contradict Swedish law, the Swedish tabloid Expressen reports.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/22022012-wikileaks-accuses-swedish-fm-of-spying-for-us/
Wiki: Nils Daniel Carl Bildt KCMG (born 15 July 1949) is a Swedish politician and diplomat. Formerly Prime Minister of Sweden from 1991 to 1994 and leader of the liberal conservative Moderate Party from 1986 to 1999, Bildt has served as Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs since 6 October 2006. He has also been noted internationally as a mediator in the Balkan conflict, serving as the European Union’s Special Envoy to the Former Yugoslavia from June 1995, co-chairman of the Dayton Peace Conference in November 1995 and as High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina from December 1995 to June 1997 immediately after the Bosnian War. From 1999 to 2001, he served as the United Nations Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for the Balkans.
And has been taking orders from Karl Rove, especially in regard to prosecution and entrapment of Julian Assange.
And this is important why?
Friend got me access acouple of months ago. Nothing was more boring & unrevealing.
You had access to the 2,400 emails already?
WOW!
Access to the Wikileaks store of emails, or access to Stratfor’s high-priced newletter?
{{{crickets}}}
If it is unimportant,why would you have wanted early -or any-access at all?
Well, most people do not know that Karl Rove is and has been pushing and co-conspiring with Sweden’s Bildt.
Holy Secret Fascist Government Batman.
This looks like Gladio.
Actually, I think it’s more like 5 million.
WOW think you need to explain this. Because some of us here are learning new things. So who were your friends and why dd you bot feel it was impt to reveal Bildt works for the US or wachovia was laundering money or that the Guardian removed US Israel docs
But each thread published might contain numerous emails. The one about Kissinger, Iran, and Turkey captured about 8-10 emails.
LOL! Tis true, dear Frog kisser.
Well, I may have the numbers off, but I’m waiting for the reading of all of them. I did not have access prior to this as Ecahn did.
I’m looking too many places at once and missed that. Can you give me a run down or a direct link to that specific group? Ya know how I feel about that man, right?
Here you go
It dates from 2010. And it seems to show Kissinger being one who is driving the anti-Iran narrative.
So’s the DEA
U.S. Agents Launder Mexican Profits of Drug Cartels
She left….she does that sometimes
And Obama is Kissinger’s boy
That HAS GOT TO STOP! He is a Murderer.
WTF. She had this info, and now comes on and tries to down play it. Is it just me but WHAT. Makes no sense
Labor Day Review of Where We Are
Explanation of Stratfor’s direction and how it was structured internally.
Kissinger is a Kenyan Muslim? /s
Our tin foil hats have gained a brand new luster,ne c’est pas?
Slightly OT, but there is a shout out from Sibel Edmonds! FDL Takes on POGO in Support of Bradley Manning
This Post is Shout Out worthy also.
Thanks. Going to read it now.
Oui, Monsieur, Oui!
Okay, fair enough. There are still a whole lot of emails, though.
I doubt US media will give this much publicity – the CIA will not let them.
But for the night – the Oscar for best news story of the last 20 years (or more) goes to this story and Wikileaks and Anonymous for collecting the emails.
Ahem….c’est Madame,pp.
Ah, Pardon moi!
I hope that Prof. William Black reads this as well. He certainly should.
SO, perhaps ecahn is a mole?
one interesting aspect of this is the role of an investment advisor by the name of john mauldin, who has promoted stratfor to his subscribers.
i have long wondered about mauldin as a spook.
perhaps others might examine this relationship.
This is absolutely unreal and fanTAStic.
Call me slow, but reading this thread reminded me that the rape charges originate in Sweden, right? If the charges are legitimate, then Assange has to pay. But this does make a somewhat suspicious looking case look even more suspicious. This whole thing is mindboggling.
I can’t fathom how far this could go.
Will be interesting to note if Kucinich comes out with both guns drawn tomorrow. His Kaptur matchup is on Super Tuesday, March 6.
Unfortunately, the US MSM would probably ignore this story. To them, the only story is the horse race.
I wanna know how the fuck Rove got so damn important. He and Grover Norquist. Norquist came from money. But Rove? WTF? Did his pure nastiness propel him to the top of nastiness masters?
Barak hails munitions blast in Iran
“OS” means “open source” – public sources.
Fascinating expose of what Stratfor does not know and how they try to deal with that reality.
Anyone else take the names and search them on FB?
Reva Bhalla was being trained for “sexual and psychological” control. And there are two Reva Bhallas in FB, including one who lists two cities:
1) Washington
and
2) Austin (Stratfor HQ)
Everything’s hidden though.
“And this is important why? Friend got me access a couple of months ago. Nothing was more boring & unrevealing.”
I think I understand and sort of agree – this info was surmised by many of us prior to the release of these emails, indeed Stratford’s role was no secret except as to not getting media publicity.
But I do not know of any that could confirm.
If you had documents you usually had a NDA – and you knew how “extra-judicial” the CIA can be, and if you did not have documents and just heard it through the grapevine and did not have to worry about being on the CIA radar, you knew you would be treated as just someone looking for attention.
So I do think this is important. Granted nuance and tone is not obvious in an email unless you have heard the back story for 30 years, but even so our government can not pretend that there is nothing here.
But it will be the blogs that keep this going – major media will work very hard to kill it and to get others to ignore it.
If you are referring to the “newsletter” as boring – well these folks like most at the top of American capitalism are not smart or into basic analysis – they are legacy or mentored by legacy into power and that might be worth revealing. We are rich and corporate owned in government and in other ways, so it is to be expected – heck knowing this might even change a few votes, albeit they may not get counted in our un-audited elections on electronic machines, and in any case not enough to get real change.
LOL is it just me but it seems tonight as a result of wikileaks, eCHANomics might need to explain who she works for
BushCo – there from the beginning.
Per Wikipedia:
Just did a search in Google images. Her images are all over the place.
Happy accidents. /s
Remember Tunisia. The US media doesn’t prevent the world from seeing this stuff.
WOW what did you just write? bloody nonsense at best. Who do you work for? I think enough of us here are questioning echon but now you. I mean what is this meant to mean
If you had documents you usually had a NDA – and you knew how “extra-judicial” the CIA can be, and if you did not have documents and just heard it through the grapevine and did not have to worry about being on the CIA radar, you knew you would be treated as just someone
I got access to Stratfor website about 5-6 months ago. Found it to be boring to the nth degree. Stopped accessing it.
Will be up for perhaps another hour or so. Ask Qs & I’ll reveal the boring info I read.
yup… it’s her. She’s pretty, so not surprising if she was “sexual / psychological talent.”
I wonder how someone could do this stuff and still look themselves in the mirror? I mean, it’s not as if she was being told it was for her country. It was purely for greed. Or maybe it was just a game to her?
And I wonder what the job description is? Did Stratfor make this hire based on looks and ignore others who were better qualified to be “Director of Analysis?”
I say bring down each and every person and piece of the MIC, Wall Street, Washington et al.
Tell me about Rove and Kissenger.
Unquestioned patriotism must somehow segway towards unbridled greed. The thing they both have in common is being irrational.
Check my link at @66. That’s the internal discussion. What of that made it onto the website?
To give some background, Stratfor is allegedly a high class, classy analytical site for peeps who can afford to pay. Don’t know how much it costs.
As I mentioned, got usercode, password from a friend. Read what Stratfor had to say for a couple of weeks. Was less revealing than other sources so gave up on it.
I have no idea what these emails are about. Just know that Stratfor junk is just that.
I have no idea.
I can’t open the fuckhouse list. Who’s on it?
While you’re digging around in Swiss stuff, keep in mind the Tinners Nuke scandal, AQ Khan..
They destroyed evidence to keep the CIA out of court. There are a lot of unanswered questions, and a precedent for raking Assange over the kkkoals.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/nuclear-smugglers-aq-khan-switzerland
Background: Swiss neutrality was a lie.
Just in case you didn’t read to the end and were wondering what “live blogging” is. HINT: It’s not live.
Really so what is being posted right now is boring. Please. BTW I just got banned from several sites for trying to repost some of this info. never happened to me before, I guess those sites hate people posting boring info
What I read on the website, for subscribers, was standard stuff. The kind of docs the CIA or State Dept would write for public consumption. Nothing incendiary, nothing revealing, just turgid boring “research.”
Here’s the earth-shaking revelation about Karl Rove and George Friedman:
Which sites banned you for posting info?
No one in the US. Mostly journalists. Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America. It’s a high-class Excel file (opens with LibreOffice if you have it).
Wow. Gotta put myself in context.
Went to neighbor’s for dinner. Came home. Tried, unsuccessfully to go to sleep/
Got up. Logged on to this firestorm.
I can’t open it either. Tells me my Excel version is not the right one.
So did you happen to catch this one?
Clip:
Heh. So far there seem to be some gems.
Not at all. If I’d have read anything like that I would have disseminated it.
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/02/26-0
A quick synopsis.
I say it is best you go back to sleep as your credibility here is looking a tad shakey
So this is why Obama is not publicly making moves to help Syria?
I still think there are US Black Ops there.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/347043_insight-mccain-5-internal-use-only-pls-do-not-forward-.html
Did you also see that they were uneasy that this was from a single source corroborated only with open-source (public) information.
This bit confirms my suspicions about the R clowncar. I wonder if they find O easily controllable. I’m betting on yes.
I did. I was trying to analyse it and thought they were blowing their horns as to their worth and superiority of the spy/scoop stuff.
Then again, I haven’t had any experience in trying to tout my own intuition as you can see above. re: Rove after Assange
When I get confirmation I go all wild Scots! LOL
Oops. I meant to add that they made a nice note of OS except when they themselves placed the info into public viewing.
Once more with feeling.
The ordinary subscription access I got to Startfor was to their ordinary subscriber reports. They were boring and less revealing than what I found on other websites. If there had been anything of blinding insight, I would have figured out a way of revealing it.
I had NO access to Stratfor emails.
That was a knee-slapper.
Checking out of this party. You folks have fun with the goodies.
See my clip at #102.
Not only him, but confirms that congress is bought and paid for and Isreal is running the US.
Wow. Good one.
Nite, Tarheel.
Once more with feeling.
The ordinary subscription access I got to Startfor was to their ordinary subscriber reports. They were boring and less revealing than what I found on other websites. If there had been anything of blinding insight, I would have figured out a way of revealing it.
I had NO access to Stratfor emails.
And this is important why?
Friend got me access acouple of months ago. Nothing was more boring & unrevealing.
Contradict yourself much. I think most here are smart enough to read this for what it is.
WTF?
I’m just reporting.
There’s also a nifty insider trading scheme between Goldman and Stratfor in tne emails. There seems to something to suit everyone’s interests in the emails.
BTW it is not just echon trying to playing this down as non news even zerohedge has jumped on this as a non story
keep digging folks this is big
Nite. Rest well for the delights of tomorrow. Heehee.
That may well be the case. That is not what I saw.
Not at all. Just typing what I saw. It could be bigger, it could be smaller. Do not project on me what you wish to see.
I have no dog in this fight.
I think you’ll enjoy a lot of the info anonymous found. HB Gary sounded dull too, but the emails turned up a lot of dirt.
“The Dems and Dirty Tricks”
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/339396_re-insight-the-dems-and-dirty-tricks-internal-use-only-pls.html
US Media outlets already making shit up.
Reporting that Wikileaks grabbed these emails and info. They will say anything. Kinda like the emails point out.
I wouldn’t deny it for an instance. Just didn’t encounter it persoanaly.
Wouldn’t deny it.
not a fight you posted at 30 i think you had seen all these emails and they were boring. So unless we are mad here explain a) how you got access, and b) why you never shared, and c) why you thought they were boring. Which directly conflicts with what has been posted here so far
O is funded by dirty money from Russia. Huh. I would have thought he was more a dirty money from the Nuclear Industry type.
funny that but a rumor been gong around for a long time that O was part of a russian project. Full backing of the elites his role was to create a totally dependent american class. seems he might be well on the road to achieving to that
Let’s read the emails together. Nevermind what eCAHN said up thread, it’s ancient history. Have you found any gems from the emails? Please post for the rest of us to read if you have.
Srsly? Do you have a link?
I didn’t seen any emails. I saw reports.
well some of them are just bone stupid….
“m: Anya Alfano
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:58 -0500
To:
Cc: Bartholomew Mongoven
Subject: Re: Insight – China/Tibet/Obama
Tim Pawlenty is about as close as the GOP gets to a sharp, young and eligible governor.
burton@stratfor.com wrote:
Romney can’t make it. Mormons are viewed as Voo Doo.
We need a sharp young Governor.
I also like Michelle Bachman.”
people pay lots of $ for ANALysis from pinheads like this?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/stratfor-email-leak-reveals-insider-views-obama-emanuel-romney
I don’t deny it. Just reporting.
Ooh-wee…! I feel like a kid in a candy store…!
Ohhhhh. Anonymous account just tweeted that Goldman is going to be exposed in a couple hours.
I didn’t see these emails. Thought that was clear.
I can try but it was stuff I found about Obama a long time ago. You know I was always suspicious about the man who came from nowhere and had conveniently written is his own autobiog…..
I will try and see if I can find it again, but he is the man from nowhere
Yes. Yes, they do. Reminds me that I’m poor.
Wow. They’re dropping like flies and it’s only been a couple hours.
Ruh Roh!
Word coming around that Golden Sacs will get some truth exposed in a few hours.
not a fight you posted at 30 i think you had seen all these emails and they were boring. So unless we are mad here explain a) how you got access, and b) why you never shared, and c) why you thought they were boring. Which directly conflicts with what has been posted here so far
Let’s read the emails together. Nevermind what eCAHN said up thread, it’s ancient history. Have you found any gems from the emails? Please post for the rest of us to read if you have.
Are you serious. Ancient History? She just posted in the last few hours and that is ancient history to you. WFT you make Barack’s let’s look forward sound more credible.
who the hell are you? I think tonight on FDL a lot of posters need to ask who are some of these people posting
Exactly my sentiment!
Analysis is the only way to look at it. They were bragging that they were grabbing good stuff and planting crazy stuff for public view.
The veritable Mother lode there…!
I think Ecahn corrected herself in following comments. Said she was trying to go to sleep and came in to see what was going on, made a quick comment.
I didn’t dwell on it because after I asked the questions I got too busy following links. Ecahn corrected her initial statement. We see it.
True that. Did you see that Isreal had already destroyed Iran’s nuclear capabilities?
“Brazil Wish List”
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/5502132_confed-reminder-brazil-wish-list-.html
That was my attempt at politely asking you to accept eCAHN’s explanation and move on.
fair enough post where she corrected she had been privy to all this and the said she had not. Are you saying she was asleep thought she had been privy ages ago to all this then woke up to what was being revealed and realized she was not.
*heh* So Bibi will stop rattling the sabres then…? Btw, I just found out about the new wiki releases, I know I’ll be busy for awhile…!
happy to move on but need this to be explained
And this is important why?
Friend got me access acouple of months ago. Nothing was more boring & unrevealing.
so far you have offered none
Their client list and what they do, as in their operations.
Correct. Yes.
No, ECAN isn’t looking shaky, she has a long history here as a tenured member of the tin foilers.* The most amusing part of your conversation is that you think she’s a mole, though.
* yes, there are evil Global conspiracies
I’ve been receiving Stratfor’s Security reviews since they’d made them available for free, they are rather humdrum and monotonous, tho, they do contain some nuggets in ‘em…!
From Arbib’s wiki.
Wow well I am off to bed. The fact that so many of you have rushed to defend echon yet have not explained her statements at 30 is so weird.
she said she had access to these emails months ago
she said they were boring
we from the posts above find them anything but boring
we have to wonder how she had access
we have to wonder why she never shared
and finally given all this we have to wonder why some are rushing to defend her
that is not what she said read her post at 30 she implied she had seen these emails
Ecahn made a mistake. We all do from time to time.
Have a good night and hope to see you tomorrow because this stuff just keeps rolling out.
so what was her mistake
she was just sleepy.
well it will be interesting how the msm and doj suffocate this gem….
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1115826_re-us-bank-dirty-money-.html
wachovia laundering at least 40 billion in mexican cartel $$$$$
OT, but important:
Yes. Jumped in, made the comment before reading through and understanding this was the emails that were being discussed instead of the client list.
Anonymous post claims that Assange and/or wikileaks mentioned in 4k of the emails. Can’t find link. Ack.
Anticipating the next group to be released regarding bank, but don’t know if I can stay up much longer.
Notes saying even more will be released on March 1st.
It’s like Christmas for bloggers. Almost bedtime for me too.
Here they go again, making up their own reality:
Utterly laughable that Stratfor is saying some of the emails are forgeries. No one will believe that crap but the US media.
Looks like Georgie Friedman might not be resigning after all, per stratfor tweet. Bwahahaha. Stick a fork in him, already.
Ha! I think you mean the US public, specifically Fox nooze viewers. The media won’t believe it, but they will sure print and report the propaganda!
he is done, burnt actually. still reading all kinds of goodies coming out.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/373982_re-ct-untangling-the-bizarre-cia-links-to-the-ground-zero.html
This goes back to the Senate hearing on Abramoff, which McCain led. He was supposed to limit the hearings, let the furor die, but he’s not agressive enough or a good enough liar, worried about appearances to shut down the questioning.
Huh. I recall something about McCain and Indian Reservations, a committee he was on or something. Details escape me, but it was somehow related to Abramoff.
Another reason that our Government is defunct, a fraud, and are eating our assets up for their own benefit.
Stratfor has responded on Facebook, but I’m not going there tonight.
“Being Mean and Bitchy”
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1697484_some-random-thoughts-about-training-.html
I remember a woman was a witness, and McCain started screaming at her, he was spitting walnuts everywhere. Maybe I dreamed it?
Hands up if you think now all the heads will roll. Hands up if you think What diff that it confirms the obvious?
I want to see the emails about the ancient civilizations NASA found on Mars.
I believe they find Obama extremely cooperative, with little need to be “controlled”.
If you “have no dog in this fight”, why did you feel it necessary to speak to begin with?
Being really, really stupid:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1142108_re-insight-bolivia-st-dept-source-s-take-on-morales-.html
The Abramoff scandal was huge. It was all centered around the young republicans that came of age after the 60′s. The businesses in the Northern Marianna Islands turned their workers into slaves, along with the government they were both Abramoff’s Clients, prostitution was rampant. Senators were going there for “fun” trips. In the states, He was pitting one Indian tribe’s gambling interest against each other. Jack Reed, the “christian” would have his church members protest against the evils of gambling for Abramoff’s client. Sent a buch of Repubs to Jail, Bob Ney, Don Young… Buying off the senators and reps with golf trips to Ireland, box seats at football games. You name it. It was for sale.
Dirty Dems got away, like Harry Reid for one.
There are 2 movies out about it now. There are two films, both called Casino Jack – one with Kevin Spacey and the one is a documentary which is better. (both on netflix)
Abramoff and his partner Adam Kadam tried to embezzle a gambling boat from a Greek, who was assassinated by a pair of thugs who are still still sitting in the Broward County Jail in Florida waiting on their first trial, they have Russian mob connections. You have to know about some of these side stories to understand how the whole edifice is rotten as hell.
That bit about Nicholas Deak being murdered by a “deranged, homeless woman” is rather fascinating.
Yes, it is. I don’t believe it for a second.
Almost 3:00 a.m. here. I’m not sure I can do this wait for the next release. The eyes are trying to check the lids for cracks.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/gi-files/re-sending-source-code-insight-israel-convo-idf-intel-officer-il200
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/412101_fwd-insight-venezuela-update-on-chavez-s-health-power.html
So far most of this “analysis” is pretty crappy, and some of it reveals the CEO’s prejudices.
On Pain of Agony:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/5509401_re-insight-for-internal-use-only-on-pain-of-agony-.html
Did Obama adopt the Volker principles? lol…
The mavi marmara massacre exposed Erdogan for full of hot air.
Cameron told the EU to get stuffed on Rules. that the lords of london would remain free to predate.
Sounds like Nick Brady just agrees with everything.
Here’s George Fieldman pissing off the Pakistanis.
Mark from Ireland’s son has written here about how the Taliban’s attack methods are very well thought out strategy, consisting of tactics designed to overcome single points of faiure. Now he’s essentially saying they’re too stupid to carry this out. I don’t think this guy is a military tactician.
This is interesting, but not enlightening.
Now this is just dangerous, and if our leaders think he’s brilliant he’s also part of the problem.
Except for getting people to rat out secrets and commit treason, it’s churnalism and it’s not very good.
Between this site and EW and Crew, we figure out stuff better than this without the snitches.
Yes, yes, churnalism is a good word, and MOST DEFINITELY!
That promise of a few hours has ended up being all night and then some!
Well thank the gods for Fox news to balance out the liberal media co-conspirators!
This isn’t worth staying up for. They’ve been exposed as being as stupid as HB Geary.
Here’s a piece of ‘open source’ info that I found yesterday. Pelosi’s Price is Right for Jewish Community
Explains why Pete Stark held the gavel of the house ways and means committee for one day. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33908.html
Here’s why the GOP hates him.
Press Conference:
Press Conference Recorded:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20736311
Press conference, along with some updates from various other news sources are going up now.
LOL. That’s why his nurse restricts him to fruit cups.
I remember most of that. It’s the details about which politicians were involved and to what degree that I don’t recall. None of them faced indictment, after all.
I’m fascinated by how frequently Turkey comes up in the emails.
Anonymous account just tweeted that another big announcement is coming…
I hope it takes down Goldman Sachs.
What is curious about the supposed paid “source” lists is that most appear to be non-North American journalists or journalists assigned outside North America. Were they really “sources” or were they conduits of the misinformation that Stratfor bragged about in its emails?
Given eCAHN’s reaction to what they delivered in their newsletter (for big bucks), it is possible (likely?) that the whole “network of informants” is something of a scam. There was a lot of regurgitated open-source material in those emails, with the conversations in the emails tending toward speculation.
We know that what they delivered private customers like Monsanto and Dow was monitoring of open sources – essentially a high-price clipping service.
For all these reasons, take the contents of the emails with a grain of salt until there are responses (denial is a clue) and corroboration from other sources.
There are some things that do ring true, however. Stratfor was wired into the Bush network (which is why Rove appears in the emails); why else locate in Texas? They appear to be a means of mainlining the thoughts of Henry Kissinger, without attribution, so as to affect policy. And Rove is networked into a group that seeks to place conservative leaders in social-welfare countries; we know about his role with Stephen Harper, but he also has been working with conservatives in Sweden. Which raises the possibility that Rove’s connections were part of the network to frame Julian Assange, which seems likely. And there is no telling how much the US intelligence community is permeated with the Bush 41 network.
I’m betting that your analysis about Rove is correct.
Indeed Stratfor was the reference the GW Bush crowd gave Congress for its claim that Iraq would be a walk over – done in a few months, with the cost paid for via taking a bit of oil.
I’ve never trusted them to be more than an expensive PR firm that was able to add a lot of detail to their lies.
eCAHN’s credibility is in fine shape -
The discussion is about the quality of the information Sttatfor puts out – I mentioned some reasons an offer of such information is always suspect.
What is interesting is the public learning about their sources and methods – long overdue – I hope Congress learns a few things.
The contracted intelligence agency can’t trust the government that it supposedly serves with the information it gathers? W.T.F.?
If they can’t trust the GOP, who do they serve? ‘Cause we know it’s not the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Oh, I want some answers…
Nothing like recycling the biggest cliche in computer security. Unfortunately, it happens to be true.
They server George Friedman’s ego and bank account. True free lancers for hire.
I think it may be more complex than that. By saying that they don’t trust the GOP with the information they find, they infer that there are people they do trust. Who do they trust in government? That’s what I want to know because that will be the nexus of corruption. BTW, my totally speculative, biased guess is Cheney.
Any links, I missed that. Thanks
Be your ever lovin’ matter of fact self on RT, Kevin.
Know you’ve got an army of like-minded question askers behind you.
Your work is GREATLY appreciated.
hd
Well that should throw a wrench in the Obama/Israel relationship or would except for Rahm immediately emailing him to tell him it’s just not true…
Yeah! Look how well that theory worked in Iraq! Rummy, is that you?
This is the kind of stuff that leads me to believe that there is still a neocon cabal running things.
Taking suggestions on points I should raise on RT today about this release—anything related to content, significance/insignificance, the WikiLeaks organization itself, etc. Let me know here in comments thread.
Skipping comments from where eCAHN explains why she quit bothering with Stratfor “intel.”
Boring and incompetent.
To me, -stressing that I’ve only seen a few of these things so far — that may be the bottom line, or conclusion to be reached upon evaluating the dumb stuff here (much of it strikes me as dumb).
We should not be outsourcing/privatizing intelligence because the people contracted to do it…don’t know what the f they’re doing. They make foolish assumptions, are not well enough educated to evaluate what they supposedly are experts at evaluating, and have really bad judgment.
So far, what I am seeing is reinforcing the very first thing I saw last night….that a “typical” Stratfor employee password is “Stratfor1234.” In a professional security/spy organization.
You can’t make this s**t up.
I suspect this is similar to the conclusion eCAHN reached when she quit bothering with the oh-so-privileged-access website. Guessing she started reading it in hopes of finding out something to explain, predict, interpret the bizarre happenings in our country/government/the world, and found no such thing.
Even though that supposedly is this company’s job.
eCAHN? Am I interpreting anything close to what you were thinkng?
Jeesus. Well, can’t top what you said. But…it has been said, over and over and over….Iran has a long history, even though it was long called Persia. The people are proud and patriotic.
What did someone say on a program the other day? (might have been Chris Hayes UP Sunday…was sleepy, not sure)….in response to somebody ranting about the insanity of Ahmadinejad. First, Ahmadinejad is not the person in charge of Iran’s military or foreign policy. He’s basically a figurehead, so focussing on him is stupid to begin with.
Second, an attack, just like 9/11 to most USians (how is this not utterly obvious?) would be seen as Iranians as…duh…not an attack on Ahmadinejad’s government or policies, but as..duh again…AN ATTACK ON THE IRANIAN PEOPLE!!!!
48 hours and done.
Christ Jesus. I’m cussing worse than I have in years. I need to get off the f’ing internets and meditate or something.
Uh-oh. Just did a long rant in response to your comment..disappeared into the ether. Don’t think it was moderated, just clicked, and voila! Rien! er, nada (just trying to be consistent)
Rambling. I am so pissed off I can’t stand it.
Too much today, which I was so hoping would be a good day.
Peggy, sorry to see you’re home again.
If you get the Vicks (see Lakeside Diner), get a vaporizer to put it in. It does really work. A vaporizer by itself would probably help you breathe; have you tried (was it yellowsnapdragon who reminded me) just boiling a pot of water, laying a towel over your head and bendiing over the pot? Not as efficient as a vaporizer, but it works while you’re doing it.
The signatories of the PNAC are alive and well. They just went underground after Bush the Lesser tried to enact their plans to quickly. The new puppet king has far exceeded their expectations, hell he was awarded a peace prize. Wolf in sheep’s clothing comes to mind.
Money laundering of drug money, Goldman Sachs and stratfor on insider trading. The bits about bush and Cheney controlling the next repub nominee is huge for this election year. So many tidbits…
Ah, I see on reading some more comments that I’m not the only one to connect eCAHN’s reaction to the website to the apparently low quality of Stratfor’s product.
Sorry if I repeated already-made observations.
The saber rattling of Israel through its proxy of the USA is a good start.
A good place to start:
http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2005/11/29/HarperBush/
Yes, you understood what I was trying to say. In a thread earlier today, I compared Stratfor’s website to the glossy brochures that First National City Bank’s economists who covered foreign economies in the 70s wrote. One step up from encyclopedia but no real insights.
When I first started learning about the world outside of what I had been doing for years, I had to sift through information sources for those that answered Qs that were important, made the most sense. Scott Ritter on Iraq WMDs for example, Judith Miller not. The Stratfor website seemed to be full of Judith Miller type stuff, iow the Stratfor ‘analysts’ seemed to take the word of whoever they talked to, didn’t seem critical or revealing of how they got their information.
If you go to the CIA’s website & read their country reports, it’s a similar feel.
I’m having a hard time with the emails, though. Besides being difficult to read bc of all the abbreviations, I’m wondering how much disinformation is deliberately or inadvertently included. I don’t know who the parties are who are communicating with each other, thus I don’t know what kind of relationship exists. Plus, people suffer Tourettes in emails (not as much as in twitter) in the sense that they just type something quickly and send it off without thinking about consequences, context, etc.
Will ruminate on it.
Slightly OT, but Bradley Manning got nominated for a Nobel PP for his release.
But considering the O got one, I’m no longer sure about the significance of the NPP.
Unlike the Nixon & LBJ tapes, where one generally knows the parties involved and can add other context to what is actually being said.
In intel and any worthy security system there has to be control groups/experimental groups and control groups for each of those. There has to be genuinely false info in the mix for the control parts. It’s ultimately binary: trust/no trust (reliable/unreliable). Someone told me the term ‘poisoning the dwarf’ explains the method of including false info, but I have no idea where that term comes from (and I never played Dungeons & Dragons).
I wish I could find some. Back during the first campaign, there were stories about Texase oilmen and Alberta oilmen coordinating in some way to ensure a Conservative victory in Canada. It had to do with US conservatives wanting to dismantle overseas welfare states. And Canada’s healthcare system was a huge target. This sort of meddling in the politics of a nextdoor neighbor was somewhat understandable at the time (if unprecedented in its cynicism). I did not imagine that this was a global action that would also include European countries like Sweden. If the Wikileaks email reports are true.
Saw a headline that Prez Clinton also got nominated. Think they made a mistake on that one. Think it should have been his SoS, Albright, who thinks sanctions that killed half a million Iraqi children were worth the price.
The peace & economics prizes are a joke. And given Chu’s record at Energy Dept, maybe physics is too.
WRT James Ball and The Guardian:
1) They are no doubt pouting because they’re being punished for having screwed WikiLeaks.
2) I just want to point out that it was The Guardian’s David Leigh who, by releasing the original WikiLeaks encryption key, which compromised the confidential information in the cables.
3) The Stratfor release charges Yossi Melman of Haaretz and David Leigh (who as noted in 2) published the encryption key) of The Guardian of improper handling of previous Wikileaks. If any US assets come to harm, the US should knock on Leigh’s and Melman’s doors rather than on Assange’s.
I think this is big, but as someone noted above… we need to be careful with this. A lot is opinion / conjecture, not fact. And even the “facts,” should be questioned before too strongly highlighting them in the MSM.
Much of the Stratfor “intel” may simply be another Chalabi.
In order to avoid losing credibility, we need non-Stratfor corroboration AMAP.
Sorry, don’t mean to be annoying… just don’t want to get discredited. Which, I’m confident, is the “elites” top priority at the moment.
Raise the question about just how savvy Stratfor was. Were they really a private intelligence service or just a high-priced PR firm? And say that the emails don’t really show which but the emails also show they seemed to have contempt for government intelligence services.
Kissinger got one. ‘Nuff said.
Yes, you are getting at the same point I was trying to make in the next to last paragraph in 220.
It’s one of the generalized problems in the spook biz. How do you know who to trust. And if you don’t, you put the counterspy in charge of finding the counterspy.
Much of the emails will be nonsense. But when I read the glossary of the GIF, Wikileaks notes that SF “rated” their intelligence sources.
So we should keep an eye on that as well.
Even SF would find value in weighting their intel.
That’s one of the many reasons I think it should be Albright not Prez Clinton as a nominee.
Yes, that should be the focus; do we have a off the books (out of government, cabinet like) ministry of disinformation and dirty tricks run for the behest of a cabal?
Neither are Norwegian prosecutors. The selection committee is under investigation.
GIF? SF? I saw a link to a glossary somewhere but can’t remember where.
That would be a possibility too.
Also worth trying to figure out where Stratfor’s alums are now. Like Goldman, Sachs’ alums running Greece, Italy, Spain.
lol… jumping the gun on acronyms…
GIF = Global Intelligence Files
SF = Stratfor
too long to type… and too many comments here to keep up!
Brilliant. Do they have alums?
Here is StratFor’s highly (er) irreverent Glossary
The link is the last item in Kevin’s diary.
Reread now… source is the Wikileaks press release (scroll way down or CTRL+F)
It now seems to me that when I read this it sounds like this is Wikileaks’ description. But when you read this in context (under “insights”), it sounds more like it is the SF description.
Not sure… maybe you can take a look?
I’ve known spooks, some very well, some who used paid informers, I’ve known the folks the spooks worked for and the folks above the folks the spooks worked for.
This info dump is meaningless to anyone on the outside (ie, not a party of the first, second, or third parts), and therefore meaningful.
Using ‘alums’ to refer to former employees. Given all the murkiness in their biz, I’d expect those would be placed in some very important places. And their time at Stratfor would have been considered ‘training’ for future use.
Like training an Indian national under the guise of being the ‘analyst’ on India and after he leaves, flows thru another position or two, ends up in the dept in Indian govt concerned with Bhopal.
Their source list sure had a lot of journalists. Wonder if those folks have StratFor in their CV’s?
Thanks. Bookmarked it. It will take me some time to get thru it.
Well well well, I did get as far as circle jerk in the glossary list.
Hee hee
SF analysis like this makes me scratch my head… info or disinfo?
Never have had the pleasure of (knowingly) meeting a spook. But I have read prolly a dozen (maybe more?) books on the subject. Makes my head spin to think about how anyone in that biz ever could think they got a straight story.
But I was accused of projecting earlier today and that would be accurate. Just bc I want to understand something clearly doesn’t mean that people in the spook biz have the same objective.
I actually lean toward believing that one. As near as I can tell, ISI has so many factions, and they shift so much over time (picked up some of that from Stern’s Terror in the Name of God; she had so many links betw ISI and terrorism groups it made my head spin), that such a story would be entirely possible.
But who knows.
NEOT (not entirely off topic) since skullduggery is in the mix: Last year I’d spoken on the phone to someone at Humana, and a few minutes later I was called by a third-party conducting a ‘satisfaction’ survey wrt my contact with Humana and the Humana rep. The survey required that I respond on my touchpad with 1 thru 5, gradations of satisfaction. The last survey item asked me about my satisfaction with Humana ‘overall’, and gave me the new option of choosing 1 thru 10, 1 being worst or lowest and 10 being the best or highest. Need I go on? There is no “10″ on a phone, so if you want to input 10, you first input the 1, which will record as a 1, and mean the worst score. It wasn’t unique to the Humana follow-up, it happened another time for another company just like that.
Oh nice, makes sense. Merci.
What has impressed me of late, like last couple of months, is how quickly the skulduggery has been revealed to be BS, like the plot of a used care salesman to murder a Saudi diplomat in a D.C. restaurant. The plots are becoming increasingly ridiculous as PTB get more & more control.
Or….
Maybe those ridiculous plots are cover for more subtle and deranged plots, like magic tricks.
Ya never know.
Looking at my Linkedin and most current ee’s & alums appear innocuous (i.e. VP of Online Media at Media Mavens). Perhaps interesting roles they currently hold, depending on their client list, but nothing jumps out at me with most. Though I do see…
President, NSW at Australian Institute of International Affairs, NSW
(sounds like a govt-linked think tank to me)
and
U.S. Representative at TUSIAD (Turkish Industry & Business Association)
(lots of Turkey mentions is all)
Afternoon Everyone.
I did some sleep and reflection on what I spent the night reading. It occured to me that the finances of these operations have a lot to do with the information they give or pull. With that said and the connection to Rove and the NeoCons it appears these type companies are more like the Chalabi operations.
Now we all know that Rove has lots of different agencies and most of their operations are hidden from view. Take Rove’s Keyboard Warriors for example and their main objectives and then ask if Rove is personally paying for their salaries or is the US Government paying them as a contract service to America.
Also, the friendship Rove has with foreign legislaters that appear to do what he asks of them and destroy individuals that Rove deems an enemy.
I don’t know there are just too many thoughts swirling around in my head.
Like some driveby shootings of gang members were actually ‘unauthorized’ law enforcement assassinations.
And I have the name on this one, but I really don’t want to go there… so just the title…
Policy Officer at the Australian Consulate General New York
didn’t an PM from Oz resign last night?
PM s/b MP
NBD (no big deal) but Rove began as an operative with Nixon (perhaps CREEP), would have glommed onto Cheney & Rumsfeld early, and then W in Texas (W being part of PTB in the world), so since 2000 would have access to hordes of BM (blackmail) worthy goods, including very bads.
Explains why there are a lot of discussion of Turkey in their Middle East emails. So what is the relationship between this organization and Erdogan? My guess is that they are not on the same team.
Does anybody here pay for LinkedIn? This popped up:
Chairman of the Board at Stratfor
but no details for me as a nonpaying member… would be interesting to see where s/he has worked…
Contempt for the government and elections, too.
IMO the elements of the leaks that are most relatable and easily explained are the ones that involve money and really clear corruption, like the money laundering and insider trading. Those may not be the biggest issues in the leaks, but they will arouse a lot of attention may motivate interested peeps to pursue the leaks more deeply.
Look upthread or at Rove’s Wikipedia entry. Rove introduced Atwater to Poppy Bush.
They are also the ones corroborated by subsequent court action (Wachovia).
Yes. I look at the attack on Assange and the attacks on John Edwards/on going and others. I’m just seeing that political operatives are spying on the spies and those spies are spying on the other spies to keep from having some sort of embarrassment to themselves.
The CIA and FBI are being thrown to the dogs by all this, “bad craft” so to speak.
Who cudda knowed???
All the broken promises and campaign lies followed by right wing Catffod commission and FISA and on and on.
The fact is Bushco policies are still being extended and accelerated on steroids.
That is the understated concept and why extremist are running for president.
The Overton window is running right. Assage’s revelations are some truth in the big spin.
Interesting:
Another interesting person:
Monitoring, Evaluation and Reporting Manager at Afghanistan Stabilization Initiative — June 2011 – Present
and
The White House Office of Presidential Personnel — March 2009 – April 2009
The Afghan thing is USAID. And I know Afghan is backward-looking, rather than forward-looking… but still interesting.
Not me, and I’ll tell you something, my membership at firedoglake ’caused’ LinkedIn solicitations to reach me, and I registered, but then realized I’d made a terrible mistake by making a crackproof password available, plus I was getting too many notices of fellow Linkers (one in particular who I dislike) so I unjoined (and had to change my crackproof pw at several places).
Think “Curveball” the witness to Iraq weapons of mass destruction went to Germany and recanted. SF is a false flag OP.
Kissinger has been calling the shots on US foreign policy for years. At least since the Nixon era, the puppets-in-chief have been his disciples. Once a war criminal, always a war criminal.
Didn’t think of that one before, but now that you point it out, it is obvious.
Esp when the ‘crime wave’ suddenly diminishes right before the mayor is getting ready to run for reelection.
Arguably, the Foley Pagefuckergate thing of 2006 and the flights of cover in its aftermath tipped that year’s elections (not Keith’s Special Comments), being a proof of concept that ‘both’ sides can manipulate outcomes, and that the PTB have counter-operatives, so: we have been treated to only unverifiable kinds of info — misinformation, disinformation, truth, lies, and everything in between. Also and important but I don’t know how or why: being ‘outed’ as gay is no longer the Be-All and End-All, which means we are inside a new paradigm we don’t notice or understand yet.
These leaks reveal how deeply the Oligarchs rules. Corporate influence is way beyond government. They want it ALL: 1984
LOL. I get ya.
Insightful comments, eCAHN. Thanks for responding.
I’m afraid to unlink from linkedin thinking it may cause even more obnoxious emails. So I send them directly to my spam folder then immediately delete them. What a racket.
I “love” the fact that the entire explanation of good and bad craft are entirely sexual.
Do they employ any women at Stratfor, outside of the seduction section?
What does that mean? In complete sentences please.
Oh, LOL, again. I’m a glutton for punishment today. Just posted a snarky comment at a LinkedIn discussion group…to the effect that a post I clicked on against my better judgment turned out to be pretty good. A rarity.
I’d quit too, except I keep being told that it’s absolutely necessary if you’re in the job market, especially if you’re on the “old” side, if only to prove you’re not a technical dinosaur.
I have actually made a couple of contacts there, gotten the occasional bit of good info on someone/some company, and a couple of facebook-style reconnections with old acquaintances. Beyond that, not much. Not really worth it, except for the fear of being judged an ol’ fogey technophobe if I leave it.
LOL! Well, I would say they probably do since they made such a big deal about sexual persuasion.
Definitely head-spinning.
Being outed for smoking dope and otherwise using drugs is now fine too.
That was one of the reasons the PTB wrote ‘Dreams’ for O. To put the blackmaily stuff on the record and in the distant past so he could not be outed for it during his future prez campaign.
Yes, but is there a ghetto-ized department of “sexual persuasion” where all the women work?
To their credit, my search of 100 SF ee’s (current and former) seemed to be fairly split.
But I’d still like to know what if Reva Bhalla has a significant other. And if so, could she provide us with an “analysis” of the conversation that followed the exposure of her “sexual” talents at work.
Just wondering how the convo goes down… haha…
Hopefully, she has no significant other… unless, of course, she’s a swinger or polyamourous!
My ISP (ATT Uverse) does its ‘own’ spam filtering, so my home Inbox doesn’t get everything, but I soon learned it was filtering stuff I wanted and needed, so I had to disable it at the server. I didn’t want any LinkedIn stuff anymore as it interfered with my alienation.
Also, as I noted way early last night the fact that AT&T is privy to all this information going back and forth and has not uttered a single word, but yet continues to spy on all the rest of America is criminal.
I’m curious if Re va Bha lla has a significant other. And if so, how did last night’s conversation go?
Has SF already that memo?
I would say yes due to their “mean and bitchy” email and the layers of operating styles they have.
Calm down. This is like having access to PNAC’s website, which enumerates their policies and membership, but doesn’t reveal their behind the scenes machinations. As eCAHN stated, she didn’t have access to Stratfor’s emails which were private.
Speaking of alienation, the following offT but funny personal story.
I got rid of my TV a couple of weeks ago.
Invited neighbors to share roast chicken Sunday dinner with me last night. One is ill with who knows what (long-term Lyme is hypothesis), so issue became whose house to eat at. Ill person wanted to watch Oscars, so I made exec decision to eat at their house & join in the Oscarfest for just a short time.
Instead, I ended up after dinner discussing politics & economics with the 18-year-old they are housing for awhile bc of complications in his family. So, no Oscars for me, but a grand time as the ‘kid’ was articulate, informed and smart, though definitely unaware (until I set him straight, of course) of some of the implications of his positions.
NO connection with U.S. culture, but a splendid evening.
Tenet who fell on sword and received a medal. Explains some stuff.
Being demonized by mswinkle might be a badge of honor. Not that I’m keeping track.
The other night I suggested (as very plausible) that Gerald Ford (member of the Warren Commission, only appointed POTUS, a Pardoner worse than Chaucer’s) pretended to be a tripping bumbler so no one would notice his full Moslem salute at Sadat’s feet when he tripped down the steps of Air Force One, winding up on all fours at Sadat’s feet. Of course I was roundly mocked. There’s a YT clip of it.
Kevin retweets a Jason Leopold quote from a StratFor document. I have no idea what the quote itself means except it brings in Tenet’s name and 1996.
Tenet did a speech, televised (live iirc) on cspan after leaving CIA. Venue was his alma mater, Georgetown, and intro was by GT prez, who gave Tenet grand praise as one of the school’s most famous alums.
I emailed prez of GT that they should be ashamed of alums like Tenet, not laud him.
Funnily, I did not get a return email.
Here’s an interesting piece in a Linked resume… not an alum, but a member:
Two FBI “Exceptional Service in the Public Interest” awards from Directors Louis J. Freeh and Robert S. Mueller III.
Specializing in International Pacific Rim Aviation Investigations and “Extraordinary” airport security procedures
You mean famous alums like Bill Clinton?
“Member” as in “subscriber”? What does “member” mean relative to StratFor?
You might find this interesting.
Curiously enough (I don’t believe in karma though sometimes I’m tempted) I stopped reading Asad (Seale’s spelling) right at the point when Asad pere got dumped by Sadat. The Seale bio was pub in 1988 and his version of the Yom Kippur War was identical to the one in the counterpunch article. I stopped reading the book bc I couldn’t stomach the betrayal. Not that I care about either Sadat or Asad pere, just that these machinations are stomach churning and stupid.
Here is one email on the CIA biz and how Statfor says it’s their chance to become King of intell.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/3438302_fw-cia-head-of-analysis-fired-.html
To his credit, public opinion is still divided on Clinton. Not that pubic opinion matters anymore.
Tenet, not so much.
Just quoting Linked. I presume it means “subscriber,” but that’s speculation. You ought to be able to copy and google those exact words, if you want to look for yourself. I’m just avoiding names here. No need to go creating a stir, if there really is nothing to see.
Height of hubris: flea floating down the river on his back.
“Raise the drawbridge. I’ve got a hard-on.”
Eating meet also interferes with my being alienated.
Did Y’all know the CIA has customers? Hmmm. Wonder who they might be?
I so wish I had a clip of that Executive suit with remote control penis from Michael Moore’s movie. It would certainly save us all a lot of typing.
I took that to mean Members of Congress and other agencies. But who knows…
That’s government “business-speak” for the folks making a request for information. A permanent customer is POTUS for the Daily Intelligence Briefing.
Those idiots have no idea what a real man is. They have no real integrity or drive to make this a better world.
You miss my point. I became more alienated bc I didn’t do the U.S.A. thing of watching the Oscars, and instead pursued my own alienated thing of trying to impose my views on an impressionable 18er. *g*
So their website says:
Our goal is simple: to make the complexity of the world understandable to an intelligent readership, without ideology, agenda or national bias.
And their internal email says:
This will not only be good business, it will serve our country.
I know we’re discussing a MOTU, but… ummm… is that fraud?
Seems like a photoshop project for nonluddite.
Not sure if I already typed this.
What is the link betw Stratfor & Goldman Sucks?
That is nothing more than a sales pitch. It means nothing.
lemme go get you the email or link. It names a GS director that helped them when they decided to get into the gaming of mo money with a Hedge Fund.
Wikileaks has teased on releasing information about both. Waiting for the other shoe to drop or for GS to show up in Stratfor stuff.
Thanks. Going to get dinner, but shall return.
You cannot fathom what I miss by not eating meat. *g*/*g*
On Linked, only one person comes up… intern & summer analsyt… very low level positions. Prob irrelevant.
The real PTB don’t use stuff like LinkedIn. Kissinger’s name precedes him…
Am I curious though if I might stumble across a recognizable family name…
Thanks to you too. Also emailed my mysterious friend who knows about both SF and GS.
Stratfor’s George Friedman has a new Video up at Stratfor…!
Argh! I thought I had put up the link, but see #153.
Jeanette Winter Loeb, first female partner of GS, was my RA betw her first & second year of HBS. Late 70s or early 80s. Ya never know.
BTW, she always said she would be first woman partner of GS.
Like Dulles, McCone, Gates, or Tenet? Those families? All those personal networks must pay of somehow.
Interesting for the smoke, yes, very. Still, my disgrace wounds me into a despair I’ve never known before.
Mexico is a threat:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/5512760_-ct-mexico-hippy-bombers-.html
Exactly, but most of us here are far more observant than that and remember names (data points) better than most people IMO.
I’m the type of person who tends to miss most of the details, in favor of seeing the big picture. But when I know there’s potential value, details miraculously come back to me. This is exactly that situation.
Seems they faked his resignation email just to do this video. Too CT?
Cry me a river… I do wonder if the anon pastebin resignation letter was an anon joke or a disinformation campaign orchestrated by stratfor to cast doubt on the Legit emails.
She was awfully quick to condemn you. Seems out of character.
I’m not too concerned about Stratfor per se. But one reason I like FDL so much is that people here do care about the rule of law, particularly when Obama and the MOTU undermine / break it.
So I’m also concerned / unhappy with what Anonymous did. I mean, I get it. They’re fighting back. And I have few suggestions for how to fight the PTB. But it is concerning to me.
What they did was not right. The rule of law should be applied to all equally.
Just saying…
Blame Game:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/2539287_re-public-confession-the-lunch-on-me-scandal-.html
Hedge fund, security business…ever the entrepreneurs.
I am trying to find the GS stuff because I can’t remember the man’s name right now. But look, I was up all night. Anyway, I’ll post what I run across as I am going along.
You think that’s bad. John Bolton and I attended the same prep school, and they refuse to denounce him.
Network Security:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/866124_random-business-idea-network-security-.html
You could have gotten that quote from any corporate email system in the world. Interesting if it’s in context.
My alma mater has an institute in honor of it-was-worth-it-to-kill-500,000-iraqi-kids Albright.
That one’s a keeper.
From September 2010:
Mostly clipping service stuff and quick responses. Not highly analytical.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/5417564_sam-kent-and-halliburton-.html
I’d say that it was time for the U.S. to invade, if it hadn’t done so already.
I can’t find it right now. The Goldman Sacs director is named and the Stratfor Hedge Fund is named and made clear that is operates behind the scenes at the intell agency for which they gather intell in order to hedge their bets in the market.
How many USG employees are receiving side money from Startfor.
Same subject:
Perfil
Clipping service stuff.
We don’t know yet but Wikileaks has some financial records and are breaking them down. They are expected to “share” them with us soon.
Perfect characterization. NO analysis.
Thanks PP.
Sorry. My eyes are still tired.
New thread.
You win. Her accomplishments definitely put the mustache man to shame. He can only aspire to her destructive capabilities.
I think it is called one-downsmanship.
I remember seeing that, but I think it said the hedge fund was set to begin operations in 2012… and had not yet done so.
I figured if crimes were to be committed, they had not yet been committed.
So why did Assange dump now? He learns his fate in March and this is going to take him a few weeks to dump.
I bet he would’ve considered waiting until crimes were committed, but the chess game did not allow for it.
I found one USAID ee who is a Strat alum (the one in Afghan).
No idea if there’s side money involved though.
USAID is a well known CIA front.
Why don’t you know? WE WANT YOUR SOUL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nz5CJi7gZc