
Occupy National Gathering holds discussion circles in Franklin Square in Philadelphia
(update below)
CLARIFICATION: Quakers at Arch Street were never told by city to not provide water to occupiers.
Record-breaking heat has been sweeping the United States. The Occupy movement is holding a major National Gathering in Philadelphia right now, where the temperature has reached ninety-five degrees Fahrenheit. Anyone spending hours out in this weather needs to drink water so as not to pass out from heat exhaustion. But Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, a Democrat, has issued orders instructing city departments and other organizations in the city to not give water to occupiers.
Occupiers intended to be able to get water from a fire station nearby where the Gathering has been taking place (right downtown around Independence Mall). When occupiers went to get water for participants who would be at today’s activities, a firefighter said the department could not give occupiers water. A direct order had been given from Nutter to not provide water to occupiers.
A person who is out in heat for a long period can get an illness. In extreme cases, people can die. The most serious illness, according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), is heat stroke. One of the factors that can contribute to the cause of these heat-induced illnesses is “low liquid intake” or lack of water. It is highly encouraged that people drink water “every fifteen minutes.”
This order is a clear example of repression. A Democratic mayor does not want to be seen as encouraging the Occupy movement. He would like to make sure none of his precious campaign donors in the city get wind of city employees like firefighters helping people stay well throughout the Gathering. Ordering firefighters to not give out water may keep the numbers low. Having police not let people have water to distribute can keep numbers low, too. The mayor would rather have occupiers pass out and go to the hospital with serious heat illnesses than risk being seen as too sympathetic to this movement for economic equality and justice.
Additionally, the Philadelphia police department have captains that are approaching individuals in the park and engaging in conversation so they can find out any secret plans the Occupy National Gathering might have. They are fishing for information but very particular information. The information that nobody can offer because nobody knows and that is because protests can spontaneously happen and people just take off and start marching. The captains want to know about these unplanned marches or actions and are asking people to share details on actions nobody knows will take place.
It is all symptomatic of the growing culture of surveillance in America (which Salon blogger Glenn Greenwald gave an excellent talk on at the Socialism 2012 conference in Chicago recently). In fact, one captain even told Brian Sonenstein, an FDL colleague of mine, John Washington, another FDL colleague of mine, and myself he did not need a copy of the Occupy National Gathering schedule. He had an officer who was tasked with monitoring the Gathering’s official website twenty-four hours a day. So, obviously, because the police are engaged in widespread monitoring and spying on the Occupy movement what they are primarily interested in when they approach participants one-on-one are thoughts that they have no way to get at and use for intelligence (yet).
“Any kind of social movement needs to be able to organize in private away from the targets of the organization,” Greenwald said during his talk. If the government is able to learn what we speak about, who we are speaking to, and what is being planned, it makes any sort of organizing or activism difficult. This sort of difficulty is on full display here as police bear down upon occupiers forcing them to reveal their next moves to officers every hour. Not only does this make taking action easy to repress, but the presence of police is intimidating to those that would like to participate in the Gathering and are afraid something could happen at any moment where they could be endangered or potentially arrested.
Finally, yesterday, Philadelphia police and park rangers surrounded the occupiers in a federal park. A few had riot shields. Many had batons ready to use if they felt it was necessary. They were there because occupiers had put up a tent. No people had tried to sleep in the tent. They just erected it, which is legal in federal parks (Occupy DC has had tents up in McPherson Square for months now). Yet the police took repressive and violent action against people and arrested one and reportedly injured a few others.
These are a couple videos of some of the violence yesterday evening:
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I am at the Occupy National Gathering until it concludes in the morning on Thursday, July 5, when a small contingent takes off on a march from Philadelphia to New York City.
Occupiers have been having movement building discussions in Franklin Square, a city park, throughout the afternoon. Speakers have been addressing the few hundred who are here for the Gathering.
Here are a few live streams of the Gathering:
Stop Motion Solo
Occupy Freedom LA
Code Frame SF
Update:
Update – 8:30 PM EST

Philadelphia Deputy Mayor Richard Negrin has denied there was an order given (sort of). A game of semantics is being played here. This is political spin at its finest.
So, what was Siun’s question? It was whether occupiers had been denied water during a heat wave. The question is a fair one to ask given the allegations floating around, but it is not specific enough to force Negrin to give an actual denial that firefighters were contacted by the City of Philadelphia.
He is right. There was no order given to deny occupiers access to water. Nobody — not even this report — alleges that the City of Philadelphia is denying occupiers access to water (at least as Negrin means “access” in his tweets).
What is being alleged (and I have two sources who back it up in videos that will go up in the next 12 to 18 hours) is that firefighters denied occupiers access to water faucets at their fire station that they had told someone with the Gathering they could use to keep occupiers hydrated and refreshed throughout the Gathering.
Notice Negrin doesn’t deny the firefighters were contacted.

He denies they were contacted and told occupiers were not to be given “access” to water. He thinks “access” means “access” to all city water. Again, not my or anyone’s allegation.
And for the record, this is the fire station that was told not to share water with occupiers—Engine 8 Ladder 2:

More on this story to be posted soon.





49 Comments

Thank you Kevin, please stay healthy and safe.
Hopefully the good people of Philadelphia will open their doors to the Occupiers and join the insurrection.
The cure involves civil notices of claim and lawsuits against the City for intentional tort in knowingly exposing people to dangerous health conditions. People are entitled to express their constitutional right to free speech. If the mayor doesn’t get it the courts should.
Yo, Kevin, you got the Deputy Mayor’s nose out of joint, I see. He claims occupiers have same access to water as everyone else–”no more, no less”. Seems like heat emergency doesn’t affect city’s responses at all.
Trying to make it look like Occupy National Gathering is asking for “special privileges”. Whose river? Whose water treatment plant? Whose pipes? Whose faucet?
I would like to imagine that you are correct, eskyesq, regarding the ability of the courts to “get it” … but frankly, the Rule of Law is moribund, having been “popped” in 2000, with Bush v. Gore … and damned precious few judges have the courage and moral conviction, today, to challenge the monied interests, any more than during a similar “era” exemplified by the Dred Scott decision.
I gather that you might be an attorney, would that be so?
DW
Thank you, Kevin, and, as Teddy says, stay safe … as we’ve need of you for the long term …
DW
At least the “Borg” were all about the “collective” and assimilation into it. Here, there is no attempt at assimilation, just annihilation.
I’m gonna hazard a guess as to how well that went down.
Like Cory Booker and so many other Democratic mayors,
Michael Nutter seems to have decided that his future
consists of a corner office at a TBTF bank.
The
fishparty is rotting from both ends.Perhaps we should FOIA the emails, see what correspondance there was.
There’s something in the name. That’s it. The name.
How much time does a Mayor get for murder? In heat conditions like we are having refusing water to humans is like a killer that smothers his victims. I thought Firefighters and Cops were into saving lives, not making sure they end.
WRT: https://twitter.com/RichNegrin/status/219535492650237954
Thanks so much for keeping us updated!
Are those guys in the greenish uniforms cops or National Guard?
National Park Service rangers, I suspect.
How can the Quakers be told not to give them water? Being humanitarian is part of the Quaker religion. Forbidding them from aiding the thirsty violates their religious freedom!
Wat about the private storefront businesses in the area? Have they been aproached and if so waht level of support do they offer? If my shop were nearby in Philly, I would be sympathetic to the Occupiers and offer water or anything I could. How have efforts worked out on the Private front?
I hope so. I have a higher opinion of the Quakers than to think they’d accede to such a request.
The Quakers did not deny them water – See Dustin Slaughter’s tweet(s) at the end of the post. The Fire Chief denied them water, saying he was ‘just following orders’
edit: sorry i missed that part of the post; i hadn’t heard that.
If the useful idiots in the TEA party were having a rally instead at the same time and place, you can bet your ass that the response would be completely different.
sorry, take that back- didnt see that part of the post – hadn’t heard that before i left natgat.
The overlapping goals of The Quakers and Occupy are huge. The Quakers also have a great deal of experience with government infiltrators/ agents provocateurs.
The Mayor is a POS.
Good. I doubt that the Quaker philosophy permitted them to tell the mayor to blow it out his ass, but at least I can say it for them.
No way the Quakers at Arch Street comply. they have been the mainstay supporters of Occupy from day 1 providing meals, shelter, a place for meeting when weather was bad. Those Quakers would stand between the occupiers and the police if necessary.
Quoting OSHA is helpful but I doubt OSHA officials would be willing to speak about demonstators as opposed to workers. Nevertheless, has anyone sought an on-the-record quote by the US Surgeon General on the issue of withholding water from a crowd during a heat wave?
We could also get the Philadalphia mayor on the record, even a “no comment” from him would say a lot.
So much for the “City of brotherly love.”.
Actually last fall Nutter was not bad in terms of not having the police harass the occupiers until he gave the order for eviction around the time mayors-democratic mayors- around the country all started shutting down the camps. The WH needed to change the subject so they could go back to collecting their campaign contributions from the Banksters without making them feel embarrassed or icky about the crimes and devastation they have been committing for the past decade.
It all makes me sick.
I was hoping that you might join the conversation around this specific topic, RevDeb, as I figured you might well know the Quakers involved.
DW
Btw
The Arch St. united Methodist church has also been very supportive of Occupy. I assume they are willing to continue to help as well.
Science is science. I was just grabbing the first government document on heat stroke and heat illnesses I could find.
“This” all should make anyone with a conscious mind and a human heart feel unwell, RevDeb … and some should feel absolute shame.
DW
The Regressives are in FULL control of the streets only when they need to crush any real protest. The rest of the time they can’t manage traffic or the gangs or much of anything else. This is why when Public service people strike they get little in the way of sympathy from many on the left. They want us to be behind them when their conservative bosses decide to screw them , but when we want to protest something they’re just taking f*cking orders. They can go to hell.
I met some of them last fall on site and am on the interfaith working group email list.they were working on helping arrange food for the nat gat and I am sure are on the job. No emails the past couple of days which makes me believe they are to busy helping out to go online. If I lived closer to the city I’d be in and out more regularly but it’s a trip. Will be back down over the next couple of days.
Kevin- Brian was supposed to give you my phone number. Let me know what you need. Call or text. I’m not always on the laptop.
I agree. The OSHA guidelines are great for your argument.
I just saw your updates as well. Glad you are getting the politicians to go on record now and own up (or not) to their actions. Great job.
I’ve got your number. If I need to contact you, I will. Thanks.
Calling the mayor’s office just gets a busy signal. Surprise!
The irony is that yesterday I was offering water to one of the police officers and got into a chat with her.
Didn’t intend to sidetrack the main point of the story, but I am curious as to the level of participation and aid from local business people.
I mean ferchrissakes, if one person or a hundred asked me for water at my place of business (and especially if they be occupiers), I would gladly oblige.
Turn ‘em on to the garden hose out back at least. Probably order them some pizzas.
I could tell there something was in the air yesterday and something was going to happen. Around 4:30 someone (PArk officers or Phila Cops) gave an oder to clean the sidewalk within 3 mins or else. The sidewalks are wide so there was no real need to clean them up. Someone was looking for an excuse.
I also noticed yesterday and today several officers with taping and video equipment. There was some water available today but I don’t know who brought it into Frnakin Park…also heard one that one of the guys beaten op yesterday is being chagred with a felony assult.
once again, the ptb just go too effin far.
Kevin, I’d hazard to guess that Negrin has the ‘plausible deniability’, in that, the orders probably came from the Philly JTTF Fusion Center, and not from the Mayor’s office…! Absolute f*ckery anyway you slice it tho…! Stay safe and hydrated ya’ll…! *g*
I am all for occupy, but if you aren’t organized or smart enough to bring some water or something to drink when you plan to be outside in July, I’m not sure you’re ready for the big show. And why are cops asking about secret plans? That is ridiculous. There is no secret plan. They are having a convention, to file a redress of grievances. Now the question is why is the government afraid of people following the constitution?
There are a lot of folks from outside Philly who are outside 24/7. “Bring” for them means bring enough for five days. And in the heat, there is also the need to be able to wet down folks in danger of heat stroke so that the evaporation can cool them. I would not make judgements of organization and smarts from afar. It never is a straightforward as it seems.
A quick reminder of main issue at hand: mayor or someone in his office told firefighters they could not share water with occupiers. Issue is not whether occupiers can have access to city’s water. Additionally, I fail to see why it is relevant that people should bring water when they are in heat for a long period. That doesn’t justify the mayor’s order and nicely gives city an argument to deflect away from the main issue.
Kevin, in regards to Glenn’s argument that Occupy needs to work behind the scenes and not publicize the various direct actions is a double-edged sword, if you don’t broadcast it, how will the bodies you want(and need)to know there’s an ‘action’ planned…? My local Occupy is adamant about complete transparency, and fully utilizing the open-sources of FB, Twitter, Livestream, etal…!
Several Twitter reports that city cops are targeting livestreamers and shutting down all live coverage the cops don’t control:
https://twitter.com/OccupyWallStNYC/status/219615059238858754
https://twitter.com/Jayron26/status/219615681019256832
If ever there was a prime example of Nominal Determinism, Philadelphia’s Mayor is it!
If this story is true, the mayor is a savage.