Hours before Democratic presidential candidate President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney were scheduled to go on stage for the second presidential debate, Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and her running mate, Cheri Honkala, were arrested outside Hofstra University.
Video has been posted by Long Island Report that shows Stein and Honkala delivering a statement to press. Police officers are standing right up against them so they have nowhere to turn if they try to enter the premise where the debate is being held.
Stein says something about the debate making a “mockery” of democracy and the people deserve democratic debates. “Only we can take [the debates] back” and make them “democratic.” Honkala adds, “We’re going to represent the 85% of people across the country who agree that we should be in there and be a part of the debates today.”
The two turn to walk and are met with a wall of uniformed flesh. The press ask for their names. They give their names, spelling them, and Honkala tries again: “On behalf of democracy, we think that democracy starts today by opening up the debates for every single party in America.” She also says something about the debates no longer being “corporate-sponsored debates.”
After trying to push their way in and go around the uniformed wall obstructing access, the candidates decide to sit down and do a traditional nonviolent civil disobedience action.
An officer quickly appears to tell them they are blocking traffic and need to move and, if they do not, they will be arrested. The police themselves are blocking traffic by not letting the candidates through, but that reality is lost on them.
“We are practicing our First Amendment rights,” Stein says. The officer immaturely replies, “To block traffic.” Honkala tells the officer, “We are practicing our First Amendment rights to go in there.” Again, immaturely, the officer says, “So you’re refusing to move?” And, seconds later, the officers arrest the two candidates and remove them from the premise.
Stein is on more than 30 state ballots in the United States, enough to win the election and assume the presidency. She receives a small percentage of support in presidential polls when she is included.
As the campaign for Stein notes in a posting on its website, “Over 14,000 have signed a statement calling on CPD to change its criteria, and repeated public calls for opening the CPD debates have been ignored by that corporation.” The statement calls for debates to “include every candidate who is on enough ballots to win the White House and who has demonstrated a minimal level of support — meaning either 1% of the vote in a credible national poll, or qualification for federal matching funds, or both.”
Yesterday, a leaked copy of the secret contract both parties signed for the debates sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was posted. It detailed how the two campaigns from the two most prominent political parties in America cooperate to effectively keep out candidates like Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.
George Farah appeared on “Democracy Now!” to talk about third party presidential candidates and how the CPD, co-chaired by Frank Fahrenkopf, “former chair of the Republican Party and the nation’s leading gambling lobbyist” and Mike McCurry, “former press secretary to Bill Clinton,” control presidential debates. He said:
…They like to say every four years that hundreds of candidates run for president every four years, including Joe Crustacean the Crustacean Liberation Party that wants lobsters to colonize the moon. He runs every four years. But these candidates are not on enough state ballots to come close to having a mathematical chance of winning the White House. If you just say, “Let’s include all the candidates in this election cycle that are actually on enough state ballots to have a chance to actually win the White House,” we have four, maybe five, candidates in total, and that’s including Obama and Romney. We had seven, eight candidates in the Republican primaries. So, even having the most liberal candidate selection criteria would only result in five candidates.
And if you ask the American people—if we’re going to use polling to actually determine who gets to participate in the debates, which is what the commission does—the commission says a candidate must reach 15 percent in the polls to participate in the presidential debates, which, if you apply that criteria historically, excludes every third-party candidate for the last 100 years from any conceivable presidential debate. But if we’re going to use polling criteria, why not simply ask the American people, “Who do you want included in the presidential debates?”…
The Democratic and Republican Parties in America control the debate. As the leaked contract shows, they want less debate, not more. The two campaigns agree to not participate in any debates or anything on television that might appear to be a debate. It effectively maintains the CPD’s monopoly on this aspect of the American political process. It rations debates, which as Farah points out is just a convenient way to keep key domestic and foreign policy issues the candidates don’t want to discuss from being raised.
Eight years ago, Ralph Nader showed up to a debate stadium to participate. According to Farah, “64 percent of the American people” supported the inclusion of Nader. He was able to get on the ballot in a majority of states. He had a ticket to be in the “viewing audience room adjacent to the debate stadium” but was “escorted by police out of the actual presidential debate arena.” He “filed a lawsuit, and the Commission on Presidential Debates had to issue a formal apology and make a $25,000 donation to a pro-democracy organization.”
All of which shows the very presence of third party candidates nearby these debates (let alone in the debates and on stage with people they are running against) is abhorrent and intolerable to the Democratic and Republican National Committees. Like what Glenn Greenwald said on “Democracy Now!”, third party candidates show “how mythological this idea is that the Democrats and Republicans are universes apart.” Really, they share more similarities than supporters of Democrats or Republicans care to admit. They are both willing to serve the same interests. They have to exclude the candidates otherwise they cannot go on stage and focus on tiny differences while moderators they approved offer weak challenges to their given answers and presented policies.
It is obnoxious that the American people call these debates, that they do not add or print a disclaimer each time one is held which says not all candidates on a majority of ballots in the United States are going to be on stage.
They are not debates. They are examples of political theater carefully crafted to appear as if they are being carried out by people, who care about what the American people really care about. They are functions put on by the Electoral Process™—a public relations industry and corporate boondoggle unto itself. They reinforce elitism and the culture of secrecy in the United States. And the Commission on Presidential Debates should be dissolved completely with control of the debates wrested from their hands and placed in the control of an organization that has no duties to any corporate interests, whether they be businesses or bought-off political parties.
Tune into “Democracy Now!” for coverage of the debate and tomorrow as they “expand the debate” with a two-hour broadcast featuring Stein, Justice Party presidential candidate Rocky Anderson and Constitution Party presidential candidate Virgil Goode.



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Only in the US.
They are qualified enough to get public campaign financing, but not qualified enough to be in the same room as a man who initiates drone attacks to civilians, and a serial outsourcer of jobs.
I think it’s safe to say we’re in banana republic status.
Yes, and let’s add Gary Johnson, who decided he had to file an antitrust lawsuit in order to have any hope of being in the debates.
Should any presidential candidate on more than 30 state ballots with any percentage of support in the polls have to do that?
Electronic voting. (he who counts the votes)
It’s all Kabuki.
But it might take decades for Americans to grasp the brutal truth.
Excellent coverage, Kevin.
But why in the world is Amy including Virgil Goode? Is he on the ballot anywhere else except in Virginia? If you don’t know, Virgil, you’re lucky. He was the Congressional rep from Virginia’s fifth district, and if I remember was a Democrat who became an Independent Republican or something like that, and had done personal favors for at least half the people who voted for him. I know because I knocked on doors for a candidate running against him, and hundreds of people said “yeah, I know he’s no good, but he helped us when our son was trying to . . . .” Amazing. He must have kept his staff busy, but this is the way so many of these guys stay in; they truly go to bat for the people in their district, not on anything substantive but one individual at a time. We don’t talk about that enough. Nevertheless, his right-wing Islamaphobic rhetoric and ranting finally got the best of him, and he’s been out of Congress for four years, followed first by a Democrat and then by a Republican. If Amy has him on the show, she should include Lobster Guy too.
Heartfelt thanks, Kevin, to you, to FDL, and above all to Jill and Cheri.
Legitimate candidates for the highest office in the land have been arrested for standing where they were forced to stand.
Two people do not ‘block traffic’, let alone these two people!
Virgil is actually on about as many as Rocky: 16-18 state ballots.
If Rocky is included, Virgil should be. But neither have achieved the requirement necessary to be in the presidential debates.
However, there are many obstacles in the way of any third party candidate’s campaign as they try to get on state ballots. Both political parties have made it very difficult to run outside the two-party system.
One would think we’d have learned after ’00 and/or ’04, but nooo siree…! 8-(
Mahalo, Kevin, for covering this travesty…!
Uniformed Flesh?
Well, that’s mature.
Sorry to be a lone voice.
Who forgot to put on their Big Girl Panties?
It just sounds unprofessional and disorganised to me.
hey, demi – I think it was silly of them, too, but arresting them is also stupid. But that’s the instant reflex of the cops these days, never mind first amendment rights to speech and assembly. Not good, any way you look at it.
Not quite a lone voice. Turn of phrase overwrought much? Gimme a break.
Here’s hoping that there may be a live blog of the upcoming travesty. Which starts in 6 minutes…
No, no — They engaged in civil disobedience because they were unjustly excluded. The CPD rules are rigged to exclude voices and limit democracy in US elections.
Don’t talk about Big Girl Panties. Why were these two women even in this position where they had to try and challenge police to let them enter the debate hall?
What should she have done different, demi…? Wear a disguise…? Seriously, the Cops were well-prepared/informed, just like when Nader tried to participate before…! 8-(
Kevin, thanks for the reply. I didn’t know Virgil had managed to get on that many ballots, but then there are probably about 12 states that are ridiculously easy to get on, which is why earlier in the year Obama actually had a primary challenger in one state who was in federal prison, if I remember correctly. The guy had paid his $120 or whatever to get on the ballot.
I’ve run two statewide ballot drives in Virgina and know the difficulties all too well. Ironically, at the same time, I’ve found some states so easy that our second-level mockery takes place. Over time, I’ve actually come to see those “difficulties” as proving grounds and also first opportunities to present the party and the candidate. I’ll know that third-party politics have a chance in the US when they quit complaining about getting on state ballots and just do it. Those state ballots are actually the easiest hurdle they’ll face.
I wonder who wants Virgil on all these ballots. In other words, who paid to get him on? I know who helped in Virginia —– but don’t know why, unless he got paid quite well by someone or benefitted in some other way.
Well, it should make for an interesting segment on Democracy Now. Wait until you hear Virgil Goode.
I Will talk about Big Girl Panties, Kevin.
Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala protested at the Dem and Rep conventions, Jill has come to speak to Occupy groups, and came to Chicago during the teachers’ strike, Cheri Honkala has a lifetime of on-the-ground activism They put on their “comfortable shoes” and go where their principles take them, and accept the consequences. No one can predict what will happen at these protests, but needs to be prepared for the consequences. Good for them, for standing up for all of us, and let’s hope they’re released soon.
I would like to add that much as we are grateful for DemocracyNow’s coverage to ‘expand’ the debate – what we unfortunately get is a reprise of what the big guys are arguing, with less coverage then available for third party responses. This happened for the first presidential debate, and happened really seriously cutting down on what Cheri Honkala had time to say. It remains to be seen if we will be forced to listen again to what is going on tonight in the actual mainstream. Here’s a good comment from the commondreams.org streaming live:
Paul Boyle •
“It would be much better if DN! left the marionettes at home on the MSM broadcasts and concentrated on the candidates which actually have something important to say.”
I totally agree with this. What we get from the third party candidates as they are ‘included’ is not real debating but a rush to include as much as possible in the teeny amount of time they get. So, you get the kind of responses that come as people respond to taped responses, not as among actual competitors. Hopefully tomorrow that can happen with the persons actually present, but it won’t if we get more replays of what’s already happened.
I would like to see what can occur between the third party candidates. Leave out the rest!
Do you believe that Presidential Candidates should file personal financial disclosures? I do.
Just for the record, Jill stein hasn’t, and also has a less than 60% rating from OpenSecrets.org for campaign disclosure (transparency).
So somebody square the circle for me that Stein is a real candidate. Find her position on “transparency” at jillstein.org, because, I can’t
this just shows how afraid the uniparty if of 3rd party candidates. It was obvious the police knew who Jill and Cheri were and they had orders not to let them in
Yes, I do. Do you believe in discriminatory election policies that infringe upon presidential candidates’ right to run?
No, I don’t, but I believe in minimal thresholds to run, which includes full personal financial disclosure.
If you’re fine with no personal financial disclosure as a threshold to run, fine. We’ll just disagree about that.
These fake debates are an obscene insult to democracy. FYI I’m voting Green—have had it with Obama the lackey of Wall Street, Pentagon and Israel. But Romney/Ryan (who are worse) have had dozens of chances now to say SPECIFICALLY what deductions and loopholes they would end to balance their tax cut. No answer yet again—-Zero. Look, it’s like a blind date—if the details are anything attractive, you get them. And if not—you don’t. If you are truly sick of this SCAM, walk out on it. Vote Green and teach both of these liars a lesson.
I agree with you about the disclosure. The Green Party Platform for 2012 adopted at their national convention addresses transparency in section A.2 “Reducing corruption and promoting good government.”
Fair criticism. I wish Obama or Romney could ask her about it directly at the debates since the answer could affect my vote. The nation will never hear either major party candidate ask her about it now. What a shame.
So then the question is: why didn’t Jill disclose? Why no transparency?
I thought you were asking about her disclosure and also asking about addressing the subject of transparency in general on her website. As I said, I agree with you that she should have disclosed.
She’s on the ballot in 37 states, and that’s enough to win the Electoral College. There are only three other candidates that are on enough states to win the Electoral College: Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, and Gary Johnson. About 85% of the American people will see her on their ballot. She’s raised enough money to get primary matching funds. Sounds like a real candidate to me.
I never thought that I would come across someone else on FDL who ran two statewide ballot access drives in Virginia! Who did you work for? I’ve led two for the Green Party.
Actually, Virgil is on the ballot in 26 states with 257 Electoral Votes: Alabama, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
Right. So why hasn’t she? I’m not challenging you, I’m challenging the candidate.
And now I’ll challenge the whole Occupy thing.
Why not have demands now? Why not evolve? Why not demand THINGS WE NEED?
Why not demand no austerity? Yes, some will say “Hello, Kelly, Occupy is against Austerity.”
Well Fucking Say So and Make That DEMAND! And that demand is made POLITICALLY! And make the other demands we need.
But no. Occupy is moribund, Occupy is all about Occupying some dead spaces people don’t give a fuck about. Occupy has traded occupying the places that people don’t give a fuck about for actual agitating for DEMANDING IMPROVEMENTS that people actually care about!
So HELLO OCCUPY! I got news for you. You need to evolve. Or die off like you have been.
In case you haven’t noticed,a lot of us are all Moving On and Ignoring You and Your Shitty Brand.
Even the horses who don’t have a chance to win the Kentucky Derby are included in the Parade to post. Past Performances are available for every horse that is eligible to enter the starting gate. You can view every starter prior to the race in the saddling paddock.
It makes it a hell of a lot easier to separate the contenders from the pretenders.
This is like listing every horse in the program but only letting the two favorites start in the race. And then voting for the champion horse based on the results of that race.
Do you find it ironic that the “Sport of Kings” is more inlusive than what passes for “Democracy” in this country? Scary? Meh?
That legitimately qualified people are included in the debates is far more important than the names of those people. I agree, it would be a great place to ask a legitimately qualified candidate wtf about whatever.
Anyway, theres my quarterly contribution.
Rec’d with every freedom loving bone in my body.
I been away awhile, where the hells the rec button? I normally wouldn’t ask, but….
Jill Stein@jillstein2012
RT @irisprite: @jillstein2012 and @cherihonkala have been released from police custody! @occupywallst #OccupyTheCPD #election2012 #HofDebate
about 2 hours ago
A candidate that has no chance at winning a single electoral vote, does not belong in a presidential debate.
Stein is simply not a viable candidate for the Office of President. As such, the Commission was correct in excluding her.
I haven’t been here that long, but I’ve only seen the Recommend button in the myFDL section.
It may only be a chance in hell, but it is a mathematical possibility. And thats a chance. By all established criteria.
But viable is a legitimate word in this conversation. And oldgold is simply stating the reality of the times. Thats why I always say yes when they ask me if I want bacon with that.
Thanks. Hopefully someone has counted the thought. Also, I’m wondering if not being able to recommend this post violates my rights.
The Commission on Presidential Debates is silent on the matter of the right to recommend.
“And now I’ll challenge the whole Occupy thing…Why not have demands now? Why not evolve? Why not demand THINGS WE NEED?…
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So HELLO OCCUPY! I got news for you. You need to evolve. Or die off like you have been.
In case you haven’t noticed,a lot of us are all Moving On and Ignoring You and Your Shitty Brand.”
Wow Kelley, that’s some indictment. So the reason we’re all fucked is because Occupy hasn’t evolved? You know, this is the indictment you should be making against most of the entire “progressive blogosphere.” Why not make those ultimatums to the Democratic party?
What happened to all that “crashing the gate” and “inside/outside” strategizing? Kelly, what’s Your Shitty Brand?
Look, I’ve seen you around here a long time and believe you to be deeply engaged and committed. But you show how much you fundamentally misunderstand or totally ignore the older and ongoing failure of the online progressive left.
How might our electoral politics be different today if liberals and progressives actually supported real (d)emocratic candidates? How might an inside/outside strategy look with real progressive support of the Green Party (as an example) TOGETHER with the inclusion and support of Occupy and other grassroots movements?
Look, Kevin is doing phenomenal work here and I’m so grateful for his column. And perhaps he and others are all we can expect now; educating progressives and hopefully peeling folk away from the two-party hologram. But I happen to believe we’re totally fucked because Kevin’s work is in the small minority! What kind of hope is there when so many progressives and liberals, who know the score, keep playing the game? Maybe FDL is where the cool kids are cause we can smirk about the “great orange Satan’s” co-optation and Occupy’s “failures.”
I’m reminded of a twitter conversation I was having with Ian Welsh about the growing fascist violence in Greece, where fascist party members together with supporters in the police force beat anti-fascist protesters without incident. We’re not at all far from such a scenario here. Ian’s reply, “American left will die and watch their children’s future destroyed b4 lifting a finger while a 16 year old girl is beaten.” I agree.
Despite the material support FDL provides for OWS (very commendable) this place was also hotbed of anti-anarchism with countless forums about rooting out “the cancer of occupy” in Chris Hedges formulation. Most libs didn’t get it then and still don’t now.
I still visit FDL daily to read DD and Kevin and to catch Faster’s roundups. But I rarely comment anymore; my head can’t take much more slamming against the desk!
Kelly, I really hope you reconsider your positions. It’s so disheartening to me that they seem to represent the majority mainstream left. You’re obviously active, engaged and intelligent.
Difference between Iran & US :
In Iran religious fundamentalists vet and approve candidates. In US, market fundamentalists vet & approve candidates.
And then the candidates tear each apart.
….and angry….wow, how he’s angry….
Should Mondale have been allowed to debate Reagan? The only electoral votes that he won besides DC were in his home state, and he barely won the latter.
Again, there are four candidates that are on the ballot in enough states to win the Electoral College. Not the 410 used in the straw man arguments by the Commission on Presidential Debates, but four. That’s half as many candidates as are on stage in the primary debates. Should we cut the primary debates down to the candidates who are leading in the polls?
It is extremely self-serving for the CPD to set the criteria for inclusion at 15% in the polls, when third party candidates are rarely included in polls in the first place, and the chairs of the CPD are operatives of the Democratic and Republican Parties. Do you think that the Democratic and Republican Parties should get to decide who competes with them?
I watched the post debate verbal-masturbation on Current & msNBC and thus was unaware that Stein was arrested before the corporate-presidential “debate” yesterday.
The “liberal” corporate talking heads on Current & msNBC spend hours explaining how the conservative Democrat is so much better than the wacko-conservative Republican.
Nader, who had an audience ticket, legally tried to enter the 2004 Kerry-Bush debate at Boston College, was stopped by police who were instructed by the private debate organizers to arrest Nadder if he tried to enter the the building to watch. Nadder retreated as he considers that a police arrest places you in a defensive position – he prefers to operate from an offensive position.
As unimportant as it is to Americans, Libya was a hot topic in the “debate.”
What was Chris Stevens, US Ambassador, doing in Benghazi anyway?
1. Assisting in implementing democracy? Tripoli is the capital and the logical place to operate from if democracy is your goal.
2. Assisting American oil corporations in obtaining drilling rights? Libya’s oil is in the east and controlled by the Benghazi tribes (who want nothing to do with Tripoli).
Stein could have added another dimension to the “debate”, but then heads would have been exploding all across America.
Big Girl Panties? How condescending.
Please comment more!
Nader in 2000 — had to do it in seven weeks after the convention in Denver.
Then, in one of those decisions I’m still asking myself what in the hell I was thinking, for Howard Dean to get on the ballot for the Democratic primary. That was 2004. I used to live in Vermont and was enthralled with the idea of having a former Vermont governor as president.
Getting on the ballot in VA is, as you know, hard work but you get to know your state quite well. Also, if you’ve been working with the Green Party, I’m sure you must recognize who I am by now.
And besides all this BS who has a plan to help America that will work? If you go into the voting booth informed about the positions of all the candidates that made it on to your ballot you should vote for Stein/Honkala if you believe in the Democratic principle of the greatest good for the greatest amount of people. That could be so much clearer if Stein was on the stage with the Rombama twins who represent the corrupt corporate agenda primarily. Stein not a perfect candidate but as that famous orator Barack Obama always says “Don’t let perfect be the enemy of Good”
Of course! I’m pretty sure that your recognize who I am as well. I first met you when I petitioned for Nader in 2000. It was good to see you again last October. My apologies for the disruptive individual at the last GPVA meeting.
Forgot to hit reply to VAGREEN, but this is to you. Yes, and congratulations for getting Jill on the ballot. Congratulations and thanks too —- now I have someone to vote for.
Best wishes, and I would be willing to facilitate a meeting again, though I must say I am out of practice.
That is complete bullshit. She’s on 85% of state ballots in the US. In an open, free and fair election, she has a chance.
All excellent points.
In related news, Vladimir Putin’s colleagues did very well in the election.
As to what police did vis a vis the 2004 Democratic Convention, which was held in Boston, Boston has a Democratic Mayor. Boston police were not kind to Occupy Boston last year, either, especially in the beginning. Then again, all the hot and cold orders were probably coming from Homeland Security, anyway.
And people persist in speaking and writing as though only one of the two major Parties is barf worthy. Whether that was so in 1930, I cannot say. However, I know it is not true now.
Emperor’s New Clothes.
Paper ballots can also be miscounted and “lost” in trunks of cars of election officials.
We need stronger laws, with stiff penalties. Then again, neither corrupt party would pass them.
Big girl panties?
First, who wrote that in the Bible?
Second, how does excluding candidates who do not have hundreds of millions of dollars help the American public?
Third, number of electoral votes is not the standard used anyway.
Thanks ysd, I appreciate that. And I don’t want anyone to get the impression that I’m performing some kind of drive-by assault on anyone. I know we’re all feeling pain, uncertainty, fear and disillusionment.
If I had to make these points every time and every day I’d simply have no time for getting my own work done. Furthermore, I’m trying to do more in my immediate environment as opposed to commenting online. I tend to get drawn in, especially where there are so many thoughtful and sincere citizens. But there’s a heck of a lot of work to do, and I’ve found that the more projects I take on in physical space the less depressed and hopeless I feel. Probably just an illusion of control. But I think I finally get the saying, “idleness is the devil’s workshop,” and blogging, for me at least, can be a form of idleness. So that mostly means working on building stronger relations with my immediate neighbors, learning and becoming more “sustainable” (which is also deeply rewarding and enjoyable), preparing our kids for the Apocalypse (no, not yet) and generally buckling down. I don’t know what a healthy balance looks like between participating online and living offline, between planning for the worst and living in the now, between education and action. They’re all valuable and have there place, and as I mentioned earlier, I do appreciate much of what FDL provides. All the best.