In his effort to appear on as many morning and late night shows before Election Day, President Barack Obama appeared on “The Daily Show” with Jon Stewart last night. Stewart talked to him about his record, his first debate performance, whether his candidacy’s strength is that he is not as bad as GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, what he would like to do in his second term and his administration’s response to the attack in Benghazi. He was also directly asked about the continuation of national security policies that were the hallmark of the administration of President George W. Bush.
The fact that Stewart asked this question was remarkable, simply because at no point during the first or second presidential debates has either of the moderators asked anything like this question. It was not something Obama appeared to be prepared to answer. In fact, he did not really answer it at all.
In the second part of the interview, Stewart said to Obama, “Here’s a little game that I like to call, “Still or No?” Before when you ran, you had things you thought. I wonder if four years as president has in any way changed that. Ok, first one is we don’t have to trade our values and ideals for our security.” Obama answered, “We don’t.” Stewart quickly followed up, “Do you still feel that way?”
OBAMA: We don’t. There’s some things that we haven’t gotten done. I still want to close Guantanamo. We haven’t been able to get that through Congress. (applause) One of the things we got to do is put a legal architecture in place and we need congressional help to do that, to make sure that not only am I reined in but any president is reined in terms of some of the decisions that we’re making.
Now, there are some tough trade-offs. I mean, there are times where there are bad folks somewhere on the other side of the world and you got to make a call and it’s not optimal. But, when you look at our track record, what we’ve been able to do is to say we ended the war in Iraq. We’re winding down the war in Afghanistan. We’ve gone after Al Qaeda and its leadership. It’s true that Al Qaeda is still active, at least sort of remnants of it are staging in northern Africa and the Middle East and sometimes you’ve got to make some tough calls, but you can do that in a way that’s consistent with international law and American law.
Having broached the topic of national security policies in a general way, Stewart became specific:
STEWART: Within that, as it ratchets down, I think people have been surprised to see the strength of the Bush era warrantless wiretapping laws and those types of things not also be lessened—That the structures he put in place that people might have thought were government overreach and maybe they had a mind you would tone down, you haven’t.
OBAMA: The truth is we have modified them and built a legal structure and safeguards in place that weren’t there before on a whole range issues. Now, they’re not sexy issues. They’re not the kinds of things that you’re going to—
STEWART: You don’t know what I find sexy. [laughter]
OBAMA: Let me put it this way. I saw you flash that “Shades of Gray” thing so I know what you were reading. We’re not going to go there. I’m still the president. [laughter/applause]
STEWART: I understand. I respect the position greatly.
Obama noticed the lower-thirds read “50 Shades of Surveillance.” In the middle of his pathetic answer, he stopped his thought and latched on to a joke from Stewart to then sportively suggest he would not be sharing what he thinks about what is sexy while he is president.
Let’s go through some of his remarks.
First, on the issue of modifying the warrantless wiretapping policy and putting safeguards in place, what really happened was reported in April 2009. As Keith Olbermann reported on MSNBC, President Obama’s Justice Department decided to defend “Bush officials from lawsuits surrounding National Security Agency domestic spying.” The administration also decided to “expand the government’s authority by making it immune from any legal challenge regarding wiretapping — ever.”
In the case of Jewel vs. NSA, involving “five plaintiffs who contend that AT&T illegally transmitted information about their phone habits to the NSA,” the Justice Department claimed the “state secrets privilege.” The Justice Department also argued the government had “sovereign immunity” and could “only be sued if the wiretaps involved willful disclosure.” Also, the Obama administration refused to confirm or deny “publicly confirmed facts” and asserted, “Attempting to demonstrate that the TSP was not the content dragnet the plaintiffs allege, or that the NSA has not otherwise engaged in the alleged content dragnet, would require the disclosure of highly classified NSA intelligence sources and methods about the TSP and other NSA activities.” So, the Obama administration believed it should not have to demonstrate citizens’ rights were not being violated.
Of course, Obama voted for the FISA Amendments Act in 2008 when he was running for president. The Electronic Frontier Foundation’s Trevor Timm detailed in an overview how the Obama administration has sought to prevent courts from assessing whether the NSA’s wiretapping program violates the law or not. In the post, he wrote, “[Obama] reneged on his promise to filibuster telecom immunity in the FISA Amendments Act in the midst of a presidential race. As a candidate, he also promised to curtail the use of the “state secret” privilege, only to turn around and claim it in all of the wiretapping cases —along with many other lawsuits alleging constitutional violations.”
Each invocation of the state secrets privilege has been aimed at blocking accountability or efforts to “jam” him on national security. He has had much contempt for the ACLU and other organizations, which have pushed cases challenging the constitutionality of national security policies. So, when he says, these are not “sexy issues” and tries to find a way out of giving an answer, it is because he knows his administration has totally folded and been submissive to the national security state. What head officials in the intelligence community have wanted they have been able to get.
Secondly, this comment on taking out “remnants” of Al Qaeda in northern Africa and the Middle East in a manner “consistent with international law and American law” is deceitful if not an outright pathological lie.
From a report produced by clinics at New York University and Stanford University:
…Legal experts, including the current U.N. Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Christof Heyns, have questioned whether “killings carried out in 2012 can be justified as in response to [events] in 2001,” noting that “some states seem to want to invent new laws to justify new practices.”[15] “Anticipatory” self-defense has been offered as a narrow exception,[16] invoked to prevent an attack that is “instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment of deliberation.”[17] There is little publicly available evidence to support a claim that each of the US targeted killings in northwest Pakistan meets these standards. Indeed, on currently available evidence, known practices–such as signature strikes, and placing individuals on kill lists for extended periods of time[18]–raise significant questions about how the self-defense test is satisfied… [emphasis added]
This is just one example. The report also states, “International law requires states to ensure basic transparency and accountability for wrongs. States must investigate war crimes allegations, and prosecute where appropriate.” War crimes are being committed every time the administration engages in “double tap” drone attacks where rescuers or humanitarians are targeted as they try to help those injured in attacks. War crimes are also being committed when funerals, weddings or tribal council meetings are targeted and civilians are killed. So, Obama does not even begin to abide by international law when he oversees a program like this does not merely execute “bad folk.”
Moreover, so much of the drone program is kept secret, including legal memos, that it is in some ways tough to discern whether international law or even domestic law is being followed. The public takes Obama at his word. In the same way that he expects people all over the world to trust him when he decides to order the execution of someone by a drone in Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia, etc, he expects citizens of the world to just trust this all abides by international law and domestic law because the administration made some speeches and drew up a few secret legal memos it does not want anyone outside the administration to read.
Finally, there is this comment, which is so deplorable that it should make one laugh. : “One of the things we got to do is put a legal architecture in place and we need congressional help to do that, to make sure that not only am I reined in but any president is reined in terms of some of the decisions that we’re making.” Like, the Constitution?
This is the country’s “legal architecture” for reining in abuses of power. It is a system of checks and balances. Ideally, the Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch are supposed to “rein” in presidents by passing laws and conducting oversight. The courts are supposed to hear challenges to law and decide whether they are constitutional or not. If they are not constitutional, they are to be thrown out. The Legislative Branch and Executive Branch have to go write whatever law violated the Constitution or rights of citizens again. The only problem is the Obama administration has fought against the system of checks and balances by invoking state secrets privilege and shielding officials and telecom companies from accountability for engaging in warrantless wiretapping, which is a felony.
There does not need to be a new “legal architecture” developed between Congress and whomever is in his administration if he is re-elected to a second term. Any “architecture” constructed will be as dysfunctional as the second-class justice system of military tribunals set up for Guantanamo prisoners accused of terrorism. It will be like the “kill list” committee setup for drone executions that is bound by no judicial process.
The United States—though constitutional scholar President Obama appears to be oblivious—has a framework for preventing the concentration of too much power in one part of government or in the hands of a president. But, in order for it to work, one has to hold people accountable for committing crimes. When people in power commit felonies or violate the rights of citizens or lie and send people to wars by lying or engage in maneuvers that effectively redistribute wealth from those in the 99% to the richest 1%, there needs to be hearings in Congress, truth commissions, investigations, trials and sentences for crooks responsible.
Especially in this system where the security industrial-complex has such immense power, political capital has to be expended on policies that produce great injustice in order to end them. Obama never expended political capital to bring about the closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison. That is why it remains open today.
A president cannot operate with a creed of moving forward instead of looking back and expect society to not further descend into a state of lawlessness and corruption. And, to go on cable television and appear so naive is not only preposterous. It is negligent. It is to reveal that, as president, one is so captive to the system that the best one can offer for solving the deepest problems in society is a fickle solution that might typically be nonchalantly offered while having drinks in a bar or restaurant.



28 Comments

Whether it is likely to happen with the Congress that emerges from November 6, there does in fact need to be a new legal architecture of US national security. And it needs to walk back some of the executive overreach authorized in the National Security Act of 1947, the Central Intelligence Act of 1949, the decisions on state secrets coming out of the courts, the powers granted in various authorizations of military force since 1945, and the legal status implied by the “rapid decision making” argument for nuclear weapons and drone kill lists.
What I am not sure of is what Obama means by a legal architecture. Primarily because there is a Project for National Security Reform that to my mind holds the Village thinking and works exactly in the opposite direction to what I described in the previous paragraph.
Not a disagreement with the fundamental direction of this fine article. And certainly not contradicting your final paragraph. And it speaks to as much what the political culture demands as what the President as a human being wants or the style in which he decides to present it. But there has been a personal failure to come to grips with the political culture.
Kevin, a superb post, your assessment is precisely spot-on, on many levels.
I hope that this post is front-paged and considered by many members of the FDL community.
DW
It seems like more structures and policies need to be dismantled than built.
Yes, TD, that final paragraph is nothing short of damningly accurate.
The failure of Barack Obama, as a human being, to come to any serious grasp of his personal responsibility as one of the most powerful of people on this planet, is all too indicative of a political culture and “creature” bereft of what is “termed” conscience and of any apparent genuine concern, whatever, for moral compass or of basic principle beyond an appallingly Machiavellian “pragmatism” of the most narrow, selfish, and “practical” sort.
That our society, that the people, seems and seem unable to comprehend what momentous calamity faces our species, that of ceasing to actually exist … “plays” right along with the shallow and self-serving “example” which Barack Obama appears most willing to continue to seek to “represent”.
DW
Yes.
In fact, it is evident that an entirely different structure of “systems”, economic, educational, legal, and so on … must be built.
And, it must be built upon principles which seem completely beyond the ken of the current ruling classes … and, most seriously unfortunately, beyond the ready understanding of the many.
Perhaps another four years of “more of the same” will underscore, if not the principles, themselves, then their dangerous lack?
Kevin, your willingness to broach the most serious of issues is very much appreciated, thank you.
DW
Did Stewart ask the Constitutional lecturer how he reconciles drone killings with the Bill of Rights?
The Bengazi debacle is the end for Obama. No one is going to support a President that denied protection for an ambassador. ABC is reporting that repeated request for protection were denied.
Obama has doubled down on Bush’s national security crap, intensified the fucking drone wars, has been reprehensible on civil/legal rights and has simply confirmed my belief that the first thing a new president does when he enters the White House is to be ushered into a room, the lights go down, the Zapruder film is shown and he is asked “are there any questions sir?”
Are you kidding? Jesus Christ on a cracker man, Bush was awol in the first 9 months of his term, blew off all warnings of 9/11 and he was cheered as a fucking hero? You’ve got shit in your ears from having it so far up your ass. A democrat would have been impeached if he had that record. Impeachment has been mentioned for this incident but your boy W the braindamaged moron was cheered for his malfeascence? Kiss my fucking ass.
Ah, angryspittle, that explains his enthusiasm for another term.
Poor chap … perhaps we should try to get him out of there, along with his wife and daughters … oh, and the dog … and his mother-in-law?
Isn’t it more evil of us to leave him a prisoner?
If this is indeed a “lesser evil” election, then haven’t we the moral responsibility to try to help in the only way available to us.
You present us with a compelling quandary …
DW
Why do you think W. is skepticdog’s “boy”?
Bush got a free pass, that doesn’t mean Obama will. I don’t support the Romney, but I don’t support someone that has done nothing right (or very little, you can count them on one hand) since he’s been in office. I fear we’re screwed no matter what. I hope I’m wrong, but the last time was when I bought on to the Hope and Change bit. Watch ABC news and tell me it don’t look bad.
great post Mr. Gosztola -
dissembling is a hallmark of the amoral and the guilty
what obama proposes is nothing less that creating a legal architecture for neo-feudalism (thanks hedges)
obama is not a democrat, obama is not cool, obama is not smart.
obama is a petite-neofascist errand boy who has contempt for our brethren…really very much like gwbush, in spite of what the hopelessly partisan spew out their asses (apparently which are made for fucking – see above – personally, my ass was made for shitting)
or – said differently,
gwbush and obama are petite-neofascist errand boys who have contempt for our brethren
?can anyone out there challenege the truth of this assretion?
I’m still chewing on this:
“…Now, there are some tough trade-offs. I mean, there are times where there are bad folks somewhere on the other side of the world and you got to make a call and it’s not optimal…”
Oh dear, oh dear. What exactly is he saying here?
Aren’t there always going to be bad people on the other side of the world, and isn’t that a good place for them to be? Aren’t there a few bad people even in this country, for instance, oh, take a guess who those might be if we only could look backwards a little…not optimal either, I guess, whatever that means.
I don’t know. Sounds too much like drone fever to me. But then we’re just folks who shouldn’t even be asking these sorts of questions.
Thank you, Kevin. That point about modifying and building a legal structure is pretty damning, I think.
Obama is beyond understandable. The mere fact that he buys into the whole ‘War on Terra’ bs is sufficient. So what if ‘someone, somewhere’ is thinking nasty thoughts about the US? The US is very rich and very vast. It’s not possible to bring down such a country with 1,000 lbs of whatever.
No, what people like Obama are scared of is that ‘something’ happens under their watch, and the resulting ‘teevee’ media reaction,……….. regardless of the actual lack of threat to the country. And that people might start to question the MIC and ‘defense’ in general. Why do we spend all this money?
The only people terrorized by the terrorists are our overlords.
The empire is over. Whether the leadership chooses to voluntarily and peacefully bring it to a close by withdrawing our forces from around the world and assume our place as a neighbor and friend among the nations of the world or go down ugly like so many before is the big question.
well said, brother
Excellent job, Kevin.
Obama is a psychopath who says what people want to hear, but always does just the opposite.
You mean as global dictator? Or as Superman?
Rather than do a Bush or Reagan or even Clinton, JFK, LBJ, …, and send in troops to Libya to occupy a dangerous place so Americans could be protected by dead US soldiers killed by Libyans, Obama, and Clinton, took the risk of respecting Libya’s sovereignty and their treaty obligation to protect diplomatic missions accepted by Libya.
What have you done to get Republicans in Congress to shutdown their attacks on the executive branch handling of foreign relations which has respected treaty agreements?
And what have you done to have Congress officially end its declaration of war on individuals, passed with few no votes in 2001. It is part of the Supreme Law of the Land requiring military force – war – be waged on individuals.
The Supreme Law of the Land does not define the president as either global dictator or Superman, just the person who executes the laws.
To change the law, change Congress, and start by replacing conservative Republicans with “dangerous” libertarians like the Paul’s, if nothing else.
7000 US and NATO bombing sorties during the illegal “kinetic military action” last year is “respecting Libya’s sovereignty”?
Hey mulp ,Obama cares about Libya’s sovereignty just as it cares about that of Pakistan and a plethora of other national drone depositories .You know ,that’s about as much as he respects our civil liberties in every conceivable area from speech ,to privacy ,to jurisprudence ,to label any form of dissent as terrorism and just whack us .
His Mideast policy is in strict conformance to that of Israel .The pubs are going to Carterize O on this embassy issue until it’s over .So instead of wasting your time with more pitiful defenses of this nothingburger ,check out Webster tarply’s theory that O has been framed via the movie and subsequent events .It might be well-reasoned bullshit ,but it makes more sense than your prattle .
Good points, Kevin. It looks like Obama’s “built legal structure and safeguards” have made what was once illegal under the Bush II admin, now legal [under the future Bush III admin].
I also liked how Obama (and the conservaDem media, for that matter) had sloughed off his Rose Garden remarks, from 9/12/12, as confusion. Here’s the transcript (and video).
The way I understand it, he blames both that stupid “Innocence of Muslims” video and terrorism for the attack. When he says “denigrate the religious beliefs of others,” close to the beginning, he was obviously implying the video. But then, at the end, he lumped 9/11/01, the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and the Benghazi attack all together as “acts of terror.” (Verwee, verwee clever, you wascally Obama, you. Since Womney isn’t a stickler for details, this was a clear invitation for him to lead with his chin (and he did).)
So while, for the past ten years, a high percentage of teabaggers have been clueless to who had attacked us on 9/11 (thanks to Bush and his propaganda media for blaming Iraq), now, a high percentage of bluedoggers are clueless to what happened in Benghazi (thanks to Obama, UN Amb. Rice, Carney and their propaganda media for blaming that stupid video). And globalization continues to march on, and on…
Those who aspire to “run” things, mulp, ought be seen, by the rest of us, to be potentially dangerous to civil society.
On occasion, in our society, someone such as Franklin Roosevelt, who was willing to squeeze his own class just a mite, might possibly be “promoted” to the very “top”.
Possibly Carter was of that ilk, though there is question. Possibly JFK “rose” to that level … but the “history” is muddled and too much hero worship surrounds what actually happened and what is presumed might have happened (angryspittle’s comment @ 8, hints at the confusions, the “understandings” among “the people”, of the “lessons” of JFK’s “term” in office …)
Nonetheless, given Obama’s cunning and contrived appeal to something better, especially in juxtaposition to his predecessor, at the very least, Obama has behaved as a pusillanimous fabulist, and with his deceits, prevarications, and his austeritarian policies and authoritarian pronouncements and behavior, he appears, more and more, the sociopath, bereft of essential empathy, conscience, and concern for the consequence for others of his “policies” and polemics.
All of which makes abundantly clear that the people have NO EFFECTIVE means of protecting themselves from the most dangerous of assaults from within society, from within the nation … that the Rule of Law, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution itself, mean NOTHING to the political class, of which Obama is a part, and likewise, NOTHING to the corporate, monied class, whom the political class serve with vigor and alacrity … both aspects of the ruling class helped along by a “media”, which kowtows to and propagandizes for those with unlimited wealth and unrestrained power … those who just, conveniently, happen to “own” the media, and control whatever pretend, remaining vestiges of “democracy” as may be fobbed off on a deliberately uninformed and economically threatened populace.
Clearly, the “leadership”, those who would rule, in our society are drawn to the despotic “end”, although only W mused aloud what they all consider, as regards dictatorship … and any who perceive “leaders” as “super”, men or women, the public OR the men and women, are not grounded sufficiently, as grown-up human beings, to have any rational grasp upon reality or the meaning of democracy or fundamental principle … of honest human perspective or a mature understanding of the absolute absurdity of such a notion as saviors and supermen.
“Belief”, the unexamined acceptance of notions or ideas, is a most dangerous thing, it is the aspect which the rulers seek to manipulate to their own selfish ends … that any of the many embrace ideas inimical to their own well-being is a measure of a society much oppressed and sorely abused.
DW
As I’ve said too many times to count, people like Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the DNC simply can not have a rightwing “Culture of Corruption” without a rewarding, enabling, shielding, and defending “Culture of Spineless Complicity/Complacency” directly in the nearest bipartisan mirror. I used to sit here and think, “How in the hell do these wretched Hockacrats sleep at night?” when I realized such things as guilt, blame, responsibility, and accountability require a conscience. And that was the first thing Democrats hocked and pawned in their hunka-hunka burning love with their Republican stalkers.
So amazing that this is so true. Preznit is a mortal threat to the rest of us, poorly disguised as someone who “cares.”
sorry, my @25 was a reply to Ddub @23
Lost in all this cogent and important discussion is that the prompt for it came from a comedian not a MSM Fourth Estate journalist. We are so screwed.
There is nothing quite so dangerous as a sociopath ascending to the presidency with the rhetoric of a populist Democrat.