
Times Square "Connect the Dots" action in Times Square days before Hurricane Sandy hit New York (Photo by 350.org)
As Hurricane Sandy thrashes the northeastern part of the United States, the connection between climate change and this extreme weather must be made. That connection must involve a reflection, especially one on the politics of the present that have only intensified the impact of climate change.
Both President Barack Obama and GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney are horrendous when it comes to the climate. They have both seemingly adopted a code of silence while on the campaign trail to not discuss the environment, science and record-breaking weather that demand a response beyond empty platitudes. Bill McKibben commented after one of the Obama-Romney debates, “I think I missed the part where they discussed the Arctic melting.”
Romney has mocked acknowledgments of climate change by President Obama. At the Republican National Convention, he said to an audience that laughed, “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.” He, like a number of Republican politicians who doubt the science of climate change, treat science as if it is something one can believe or not believe in like religion.
Obama Has Presented Himself as Someone on Side of Environmental Science
That does not make Obama any more redeemable. While on the campaign trail in 2008, he positioned himself as someone who was on the side of scientists and activists willing to confront climate change.
ScienceDebate2008.com posed a question to Obama:
Climate Change. The Earth’s climate is changing and there is concern about the potentially adverse effects of these changes on life on the planet. What is your position on the following measures that have been proposed to address global climate change—a cap-and-trade system, a carbon tax, increased fuel-economy standards, or research? Are there other policies you would support?
Obama answered:
There can no longer be any doubt that human activities are influencing the global climate and we must react quickly and effectively. First, the U.S. must get off the sidelines and take long-overdue action here at home to reduce our own greenhouse gas emissions. We must also take a leadership role in designing technologies that allow us to enjoy a growing, prosperous economy while reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. With the right incentives, I’m convinced that American ingenuity can do this, and in the process make American businesses more productive, create jobs, and make America’s buildings and vehicles safer and more attractive. This is a global problem. U.S. leadership is essential but solutions will require contributions from all parts of the world—particularly the rest of the world’s major emitters: China, Europe, and India.
The answer was not one of a tree-hugger environmentalist. It was in line with what a moderate Republican might have said. In fact, in the Obama-Romney debates Obama said to Romney, “Cap and trade was originally proposed by conservatives and Republicans as a market-based solution to solving environmental problems. The first president to talk about cap and trade was George H.W. Bush. Now you’ve got the other party essentially saying we shouldn’t even be thinking about environmental protection; let’s gut the [Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)].”
What Obama Didn’t Say During the Debates
What Obama did not admit was that he had completely broken his campaign promise on cap and trade. As the New York Times’s John Broder reported on April 11, 2009, “The president’s budget initially included roughly $650 billion in revenue over 10 years from a cap-and-trade emissions plan that he wants adopted. But the administration, while insisting that its health care initiative be protected, did not fight to keep cap-and-trade in the budget resolutions that Congress passed last week, and it wound up in neither the House’s version nor the Senate’s.”
Business lobbyists had no problem with Obama’s tepid leadership. Karen A. Harbert, a former senior Energy Department official and head of the US Chamber of Commerce’s energy institute commented, “We have not until now had the national debate on a climate change proposal period. That has to happen for any piece of legislation to achieve broad support across the country.” (She neglected to mention that the energy industry her institute represents likely played a role in the lack of debate.)
In November 2011, The Guardian’s US environmental correspondent Suzanne Goldenberg wrote, “Barack Obama has been just as zealous as George Bush in stripping away environmental health and safety protection at the behest of industry.” He overruled scientific advisers and “blocked stronger ozone standards.” Also, according to a Center for Progressive Reform (CPR) report, the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) “change more than 80% of the rules proposed by the EPA.”
None of the rule changes could be considered good. The report by CPR described a “tag team of opposition” consisting of industry groups and OIRA economists that consistently confronted an already overwhelmed agency. For example:
OIRA, as an institution, has a history of viewing EPA regulations as overly aggressive and economically unsound, so industry complaints along the same lines are almost certain to find a receptive audience. For example, in OIRA’s recent review of EPA’s proposal to regulate coal ash, industry groups met with OIRA 33 times (out of 47 total meetings). They argued that EPA’s rule would inadvertently impose a crippling “stigma” on the beneficial recycling of coal ash, spelling disaster for the reuse industry, and by extension, the environment. Lo and behold, at the conclusion of its review, OIRA faulted the agency for neglecting such a compelling issue and demanded that the proposal incorporate industry’s concerns before being released. In its rush to accommodate industry stakeholders, OIRA ignored the fact that EPA had never observed such a stigma effect in its prior experience, and it failed to address whether potential “market stigma” was even a permissible factor for consideration under the relevant statute. When the proposed rule was finally released, its cost-benefit analysis suggested that the most effective regulatory option could result in an enormous stigma effect: $233.5 billion in negative benefits (costs) to society. Much to the detriment of communities affected by toxic coal ash, the weaker regulatory alternatives that would barely make a dent in the status quo were made to appear far more attractive—exactly the outcome that industry wanted in the first place.
On September 15, 2011, the EPA delayed climate change rules. This occurred just weeks after the Obama administration caved to energy industry interests. Alden Mayer, director of strategy and policy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, reacted, “Playing kick the can down the road with EPA rules is a dangerous game. The longer we wait, the more costly climate change will be.”
In April, Obama followed in the footsteps of Bush by issuing a proposed rule that critics said would only increase the likelihood of polar bear extinction. Obama chose to expand offshore oil drilling in the Arctic in June of this year with a plan that the Center for Biological Diversity’s Ocean Programs Director Miyoko Sakashita characterized as one that encouraged “further reliance on oil” and threatened “species already stressed by the impacts of climate change.” Obama skipped the Rio Earth Summit in June. Also, while campaigning, he has been totally indifferent toward groups protesting against the Keystone XL pipeline project.
Former Vice President Al Gore appropriately summed up Obama’s negligence and inaction in an essay for Rolling Stone in June 2011: “President Obama has never presented to the American people the magnitude of the climate crisis…He has not defended the science against the ongoing withering and dishonest attacks. Nor has he provided a presidential venue for the scientific community … to bring the reality of the science before the public.”
The Science of Sandy
The science of Hurricane Sandy is startling. Meteorologist Jeff Masters described on “Democracy Now!” it had 85 mph winds. A wintertime low-pressure system was sucking it in to the make the storm like one never before seen in history. “The US has never seen this sort of a large storm where you’ve got winds that are tropical-storm force, about 900 miles in diameter,” he added. “And the radius of 12-foot seas surrounding the storm is more than 500 miles. So, over a 1,100-mile-diameter area of 12-foot-high waves—just a massive storm.”
The “approximately one-degree-Fahrenheit warming of the oceans” that had occurred over the past century was contributing to the storm’s intensity. Winds were higher in speed, which meant there would be more wind damage. Also, the fact this was taking place in the final days of October confirmed science indicating that the warming of oceans is making hurricane season longer. While this is unique now, continued climate change would make the “ridiculous combination of a nor’easter and hurricane that comes ashore” more commonplace if humanity could not muster up the collective courage to respond to climate change.
Leading activist Bill McKibben appeared on “Democracy Now!” as well. He warned, “We’re producing conditions like record warm temperatures in sea water that make it easier for this sort of thing to get, in this case, you know, up the Atlantic with a head of steam. We’re making—we’re raising the sea levels. And when that happens, it means that whatever storm surge comes in comes in from a higher level than it would have before.” He singled out the fossil fuel industry, “the most powerful and richest industry” on Earth, which has been behind the maintenance of the status quo that includes a steadily warming climate. He pointed out how foolish Romney must feel now that he is on the campaign trail and this is happening.
What he did not share was just how much President Obama himself had contributed to the horrific disaster about to overtake the northeastern part of the United States for the next few days. Host Amy Goodman asked the critical question after McKibben described activism he would be promoting to put pressure on the fossil fuel industry: “Bill McKibben, why are you waiting ’til after the presidential election to have your 20-city tour raising the issue, calling it ‘Do the Math?’”
More Frankenstorms in America’s Future
Though McKibben’s group, 350.org, has engaged in some actions (see photo in this post), during the election was when 350.org should have had its major tour. Making Obama uncomfortable while he was trying to run a polished campaign was when to tour around raising the issue of climate change and how deferential the Obama administration has been to energy industry interests. But, instead, McKibben has played it safe by really letting Obama off the hook when it comes to his complete disregard for this issue.
Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein declared in a statement, “If President Obama’s ‘all of the above’ energy policy is pursued, it’s ‘game over’ for the climate,” said Stein. “Romney once was honest about climate, but now is parroting industry lines.” She drew attention to drought that “blighted 60% of the corn crops in the US” and wildfires that “have turned thousands into refugees.” And also mentioned, “The Arctic ice cap has lost 75% of its ice and dangerous methane gas is seeping out from melting subterranean deposits.”
Stein, who was excluded from the debates hosted by the Commission on Presidential Debates, added it was the first time since 1984 that global warming had not been mentioned in the presidential debates.
The Frankenstorm has exposed yet another dimension of how woefully corrupt and hopeless the two-party system of politics in America happens to be. The local news and cable news programs may not be talking about climate change as they cover the hurricane 24/7 for the next few days. They are unlikely to cover extensively how servile the campaigns of Obama and Romney have been to energy interests. But, they should. And Americans should know that when they vote for Obama or Romney on November 6 they are voting for two candidates that is likely to serve the fossil fuel industry in a manner that will only ensure more extreme weather disasters like Hurricane Sandy occur if Americans do not wake up to the stark future posed by unimpeded climate change.
In some ways it is poetic justice that the storm is hitting both New York City, a center of capitalism, and Washington, DC, the hub of America’s political class. There is a real cost to the Earth if something does not happen to break the stranglehold the two-party system has on US politics and the government. Anyone voting for Jill Stein is breaking with the two parties that cooperate in ways which imperil the world. And, if the photos and video of damage from Hurricane Sandy do not wake up many more Americans to the stark reality, if damage or inconvenience one experiences to one’s own property during the storm does not awaken citizens, one wonders what will.



54 Comments

How much of the planet could Sandy power? Yes, all that water rushing around. It must scare the beejeeszus out of the Fossil Fuel Freaks (FFF) when someone says hey what’s the operational cost and marginal profit from harnessing the oceans energy? Since both turn out to be much lower than natural gas fear is warranted.
Moreover, FFF knew it had to strangle the baby in the bath becausen France developed its low cost, eco-freindly hydro energy systems. FFF, fearing that these systems if sufficiently developed and distributed, would replace them.
So cynical subversion through cleverly orchestrated propoganda, control of government funding mechanisms for research and development all worked to supress rapid development of ocean power…wave energy…and damless hydropower.
A perfect example isthe 20 year history surrounding the development and testing of the Gorlov Helical Turbine.
http://www.nrdc.org/onearth/05spr/gorlov3.asp
Today, S.Korea, Brazil, and Eastern Eropean nations use this American invented technology. The EPA and Energy department took a pass on supporting this technology. Yes, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama administrations, talk the talk but BS walks and Professor Alexander Gorlov, Dean Emeritus of the engineering Department, Northwestern University, and winner of the Edison Prize for his Helical Turbine invention, left the U.S. for Europe where he is now acclaimed for his invention.
Why do you rock, and why has your OWS comrade Jesse LaGreca become such an Obot?
Thank you for speaking the truth, Kevin, however inconvenient it may be for the legacy parties.
Yet, as Cebes suggests, were we to pay honest attention to the energy which “powers the systems which permit our existence, were we to understand and embrace an intensive rather than extensive use of those resources necessary to all of our lives AND genuine well-being, then we might perceive a very different world of possibility.
Such vision and imagination will NOT come from the protectors of the status quo … will not arise from an exploitative neoliberalism, from capitalism and the neofeudalism its main beneficiaries intend.
DW
thanks, thebes!
i read about the “eggbeater generator” long ago and could not imagine why it hadn’t been pursued. even this article which explains “why” is 7 years old. sure wonder how it’s doing in s. korea now that they have a “nafta” deal with u.s. corps are probably suing them for using non-polluting energy. argh!!!
imagine how our science-engineering folks from space prog could come up with teflon-coated ceramic blades or? ??
VERY well done. And yet, how many FDLers will vote for Obama and how many “Progressive” Blogs are afraid to call for his ouster? Obama is the WORST Democratic Party President ever. and one of the very worst of ALL our Presidents. To reelect him is to say, we don’t care what you do to us, our kids and our Grand-kids because we are true-believers and at least you’re not a Republican.
We gave Obama a clear mandate, veto-proof control of the Senate, the House and the Oval Office. We expected him to TRY to correct the terrible wrongs of the last 30 years. What has he done? It’s worse than shameful, if he’s reelected it’s worse than shameful.
Private greed versus Public good.
Republicans versus Democrats.
Private greed versus Public good.
Republicans versus Democrats.
Private greed versus Public good.
Republicans versus Democrats.
Private greed versus Public good.
Mitt Romney versus President Obama.
Ok, so Jill Stein is the answer to this problem of two party inaction?
So Romney and Obama are basically the same in terms of their approach to the environment ?
Anybody who believes that is foolish. Elect Romeny and you have NO CHANCE to ever stop or reverse global warming. Elect Obama and you at least have a chance. More progressive politicians elected within the Dem party is the only path to survival for this country and the world. There is no time to create a third party that will decide policy, in what, 30 years from now ?
The Republican demographics are collapsing. Look at them…all the money in the world, the entire national media rooting for them, and they are still goiing to loose. What does that tell you ? It tells me that their party of knuckle-draggers is obsolete, and will become a minority fringe party in the future, as the old white guys die off, and the bigotry passed down each generation becomes weaker and weaker.
Starting soon, the battle will be within the Dem party, progressives vs. corporates, and the progressives will ultimately win. What Sandy is telling everyone is that progressives, science, and liberal ideas are correct. That message will only be reinforced in the future.
I’m actually kind of cynical about the US, but the one thing that is obvious is if the wingnut bigotry party is dying of it’s own accord, why in the world would any thinking progressive want to prolong their life and give them power again by trying to establish a third party that would only split the democratic party. Nader is right on everything, but he still let GWB in the door, and we’ll be paying for that move for a long time.
Please check your math on that Senate majority. You seem to have forgotten Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and a few other corporatists who never seemed to be available to break the filibuster.
But hey, you are a very convincing advocate for Romney. Or maybe you’re one of those progressives who never got over the Obama disappointment. I kind of think it’s the former.
my main concern about obama’s re-election is the assured passage of the Trans-Pacific Pirateship that elevates corps above gov’ts. bad enough that NAFTA made corps equal, we won’t survive super-corps. of course, rMoney will kill us by a thousand “cuts” so it’s mainly a choice (via the black box) as to how we want to end.
Maybe Sandy will change the game …
Mr. Clean Coal (R) will remain silent, as will his partner (Mr. Clean Coal (D)).
Chuckles all round.
And we’re the paying suckers.
That is absolutely not what this post was seeking to communicate. That you reduce it to these simplistic lines shows you have not grasped what I was arguing.
I did not mention Jill Stein because I am voting for her (my vote is irrelevant to this post) or because I think she will solve all problems created by the two parties. I mentioned her because empirically when you look at the facts that is what is true. Obama and Romney are two candidates that will serve fossil fuel industry interests and be negligent perhaps on varying or distinct levels. Jill Stein, on the other hand, openly favors climate change activism that is needed now.
That is a fair statement. Though, it is possible the Democrats completely stifle progressive insurrectionists that battle for ideas and turn into an even greater party servile to the corporate state.
It’s fine if you want to believe that Nader cost Gore the election, but this is post-truth politics. The facts do not fit this belief at all. This reflexive zeal on what “happened” in the 2000 election is a kind of trutherism among liberals and it gets in the way of any movement by progressives or the wider left toward meaningful electoral reforms.
Based on policies and actions, and not gut feelings, that is exactly right. For verification and 168 references (growing all the time) see Environment – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/08/environment-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party
“Please check your math on that Senate majority. You seem to have forgotten Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and a few other corporatists who never seemed to be available to break the filibuster.”
Rather than checking math, you need to recall history. When Bush faced a democratic congress he did….. whatever the hell he wanted to do. He did not cowardly look for excuses that the minority party was picking on him. That is not a defense of Bush, it is calling accountability for Obama.
Stupid fact-checking fools!
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/the_progressive_case_against_obama/
A chance to do what? Keep the enviro organizations in the Veal Pen? Help the Democrat mayors to crush the Occupy movement some more with the connivance of the White House? Give Big Oil another reason to funnel more money into the (D) campaigns? Gut the EPA through the Grand Bargain, and strip it of its powers through the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
This is an empty promise of nothing. Elect the (D) so you can be co-opted.
Right — and if the Democrats weren’t trying so hard to BE Republicans, the Republicans might not have the power to be the bogeymen you make them out to be today.
They’ve co-opted you for the past forty years, but it’s victory next year! All we need to do is vote for the lesser of two evils, the (D) corporatist against the (R) one, in just one more election! We promise, we’ll fight against the DLC after we’re finished putting it in power everywhere!
Those of us who distinguish hippie-punching from statements about reality recognize that when you empower the Democratic Party to pursue fundamentally right-wing corporatist aims, you empower the Republican Party. Where else are those who are not mesmerized by Obama-worship going to go if they want to oppose Obama?
Bravo!
and Thank you!
I acknowledge that Obama is operating with the support of the corporate wing of the Dem Party.
But to say that his approach to the environment is the same as the republicans, is kind of far-fetched.
What happens to air and water quality regulations after Mittens defunds the EPA ? (disclosure, i used to work there, so I kind of pay attention)
Keystone pipeline ? Obama seemed to get the message there.
80 billion in stimulus for green energy ? where’s Mitt on that issue ? I’ll tell you: defund all green initiatives, let them compete with zero gov subsidy, but keep the massive fossil fuel subsidies in place
sorry, even a corporate Dem is very different than the Mittster on the environment, vastly different.
well, since you asked, here’s what you do : the playbook has already been written by the tea party. Progressives should weed out all the corp Dems in the solidly blue districts, simple as that. put progressives on the primary ballot, and they’ll usually win, all they have to do is speak the truth to the voters, and they will win. Change the party at the primary level, seemed to work pretty well for the tea partiers.
As far as all this Obama bashing, and false equivalencies to Romney, a lot has actually been accomplished. Just this week a little known requirement of Obamacare came out: The federal OPM will administer two health plans available nationwide, anybody can buy into the plans. The OPM is the same agency who administers the Fed Health Plan for fed workers and congress. So here is a health plan, using a national pool, low admin costs, and no profit margins, delivered by Obamacare. Sounds like a pretty good alternative to AETNA and WELLPOINT, doesn’t it ?
Ok, I guess Willard would have done the same thing, right ???
I don’t know why you think that. It seems to me he just kicked the can down the road to 2013. He never said he’s against it, he said there wasn’t time to approve it. Approving it would be in line with his goal of energy from all sources.
I’m not arguing any of your big idea points Kevin, and perhaps Florida would have been stolen with or without Nader pulling off a couple percent of Gore’s vote.
I’m arguing the tactics that you are promoting. I did read your post pretty thoroughly and it’s chalk full of false equivalencies, “Obama and Romeny” are paired together as the common problem, over and over again. And in an idealistic sense, yes they are both problems. But they are
vastly differnet kinds of problems.
I don’t accept the false equivalence, it’s wildly inaccurate. But one would have to delve into Romney’s schtik, and maybe take a look at his advisor lineup to get the complete picture. Get a grasp on what he’s all about. He’s a plutocrat, and plutocrats’ policies are different from what the corp Dem party has brought us. Check out David Koch,who gives the orders, and who put Ryan on the ticket, and tell me his ideas are similar to Obama’s.
The corp dem party can be changed. A Romney regime will signal the start of full, unadulterated fascism in the US, that will never be challenged or changed. Check out the European polls on our election. They’ve lived the fascist way, and they don’t seem to be having a lot of trouble distinguishing between Obama and Romney, as many on this site seem to.
the only path to redemption, is through the changing of the Dem party, through the primary process, as the Tea Party proved could be done. Unelecting our moderate republican president and replacing him with Benito Mussolini is not really a credible tactic, I think. The green party making a showing in the election is kind of a small ideological victory, compared to your children living in certain economic servitude for the rest of their lives.
actually, the guy is trying to get elected in the days of Citizen United. So, I think we should cut him some slack. Keystone was a huge political play by the propaganda machine, and they had a lot of American idiots buying in. But yet, there is no Keystone XL, is there ?
That’s called political maneuvering, and I’d say Obama was successful. Face reality, fossil fuel companies are 8 of the 10 largest corporations in the world, they got lots of cash, and the Clownish Nine say they can write any size check to bury Obama.
No pipeline the last time I checked. Mittens will put the pipeline in his first day in office. I guess it’s your choice, if you really care about the environment, that is. If you’re a professional Obama basher, well, then it doesn’t really matter.
Link?
Oh and they are SO going to save the EPA when the Grand Bargain comes up for negotiation! (And I’m sure the Trans-Pacific Partnership will preserve it in its entirety!)
Yeah right.
Read the filibuster statistics on McConnel and his crew. They will never be exceeded, that’s how extreme they were. McConnel and his thugs took the filibuster to a level that the Dems never did during GWB’s reign of terror. Should they have, in retrospect ?
But GWB didn’t get everything he wanted, otherwise your Social Security account would be owned by Goldman Sachs and it’d be next to worthless.
a lot of folks are disappointed in Obama, a lot of folks who voted for him, but when someone is cheering GWB, well one has to wonder what the motivations are.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/01/obamacare-and-the-hidden-public-option-crowding-out-private-coverage
Gee, Obamacare is starting to sound pretty damn good, don’t you think ?
well, I’ve already provided you with the research on the health care point
I made, which you questioned.
You should do your own research on the trans pacific, it’s not going to pass the senate the way it’s written. that’s why it was leaked in the first place
You know this for sure, just like most of the Obama faithful know for sure that a President Romney would have the votes to overturn the PPACA.
I’m sure the Heritage Foundation puts up trustworthy websites all the time.
I just think he’s going to cave on the pipeline. He has said nothing, as in nothing, that would indicate otherwise. It was no surprise that he kicked it down the road for the reasons you gave, but my experience with Obama is that he just can’t be trusted to do “the right thing”. I voted for him in 2008 and I’m not alone in feeling that he went back on his word on a number of things. So now I try to listen carefully to what he says and if he doesn’t say something, I don’t assume he will do good just because he’s a D.
Obama proudly points to expanded off-shore drilling and drilling on public lands. Again, there is no reason for me to think that this is a stunt, a public relations thing to get him re-elected, at which point he’ll do a 180. I’m concerned for the environment. I’m even more concerned over the viability of the human species.
I’m not a professional Obama basher. At best, I’m an amateur. But really, the guy is pushing one Repug proposal after another. I certainly urge progressives in blue states to vote third party. That’s what I’m doing. Hopefully that will wag the democratic dog.
I could have given you the bloomberg link, or any other, but why not read the story from the people with the most to lose. I found their account very entertaining.
So what do you say about the stealth public option that Obama included in his health plan ? still think he’s a big failure as a president ? seems like presidents have been trying since Truman to get YOU a decent health care option, why don’t you send Obama a note and tell him “thanks.”
and, learn how to use google, it’s not that difficult
The problem with this political arguement is that it accepts the fallacy that our elected leaders will carry out the demands of the People who elect them not the people who finance them.
The Capitalists who control most of the world will never cede their power to manipulate the politicians who they finance or allow those politicians to be swayed by the needs of the public.
Unless we find a way to neuter the politicians and directly attack the Capitalist system we are doomed to this endless circular argument over meaningless elections.
Obama is walking a tightrope all the time. First black president, so right off the bat, half the country is against him. Corporate media piles on. Sure, Obama could do everything progressives and liberals desire, but then he wouldn’t get re-elected. He has to play the middle, to get moderate republicans and independents. Face it, it’s a country of idiots, and getting dumber all the time. The propaganda machine has stigmatized liberals to the point that we’re not close to a majority. We even had to drop our name “liberal” because 24/7 propoganda conditioning made it a bad word. Obama seems to be the first person to have lied to you, I’m sure it was nothing personal.
Um no. All that has been floated about that comes from a NYT article. Here’s the NYT article. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/health/us-to-sponsor-health-insurance-plans-nationwide.html?_r=1 It’s a bunch of ambiguous iffy details. There’s nothing Medicare like about this option, only that it is a non profit, but there has already been non profit co ops and the record is not good.http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/so-whats-a-health-insurance-coop-anyway/ So basically it’s the same crap being peddled that somehow this is like the Medicare like public option we wanted(really single payer but that was the compromise which was a mistake now looking back) even though it has to be run by state exchanges instead of a national exchange which was better in the house bill. But before bragging on something you don’t understand just because the heritage Foundation thinks it’s the hidden robust public option just remember it won’t be and non profits have been captured by the private market because of barrier entrances and economies of scale because it doesn’t have the foundation of medicare to back it up. So economically, it’s kind of a convenient BS fantasy.
Also the president of the Government Employees Health Association said he hasn’t even decided to do it. You see, if you had a real public plan that could use Medicare rates, the infrastructure would already be there. It could use the Medicare network.
All bots can latch into is that the heritage foundation thinks it will become the robust public option. I call BS.
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I seem to remember reading about this in the debates about the PPACA. So, no, it’s not a secret. I don’t think it is what you think it is.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/so-whats-a-health-insurance-coop-anyway/
Dig the condescension. Very persuasive. If I treat you like a two-year-old, will it work on you too?
I read about this in the debates about the PPACA. I don’t think it’s what you think it is.
true, Marx said that capitalism would eventually destroy itself, looks like he was right on that one. the capitalists capture the government who then creates socialism for the corporate elite. subsidized corporate power destroys the economy by gobbling up massive resources while producing nothing of real value.
Also, dig the condescension. Do you persuade most people this way?
it is what it is. this is one of the reasons the PPACA has been attacked mercilessly for three years, along with quite a few other reasons. If the PPACA was not such a clear victory for people, and a clear defeat for corporations (other than drug companies) it would never have been contested and attacked so much. Big victory for Obama, and for us.
Obama hasn’t wanted to do anything of the sort, from the very beginning.
http://www.zcommunications.org/obama-as-predicted-by-paul-street
Um, the PPACA was a Heritage Foundation prototype that was put into business in Massachusetts with the guidance of Mitt Romney. Obama cut deals with the insurers and hospitals to assure their compliance. They’ll enjoy the massive subsidies.
More condescension, please.
Thank goodness, I thought it was personal, I’m now much relieved
Much of what you say makes sense from a traditional way of looking at politics. But something like Obama’s war on whistleblowers and promotion of the unitary executive is something he chose to do. These are not things he needed to do to win re-election. To me this shows a deep lack of moral fiber that is totally disgusting.
Come to think of it, it was Obama himself who said he’d be okay being a one-term president. If that was really true then yeah, he could have tried to do everything progressives and liberals desired.
As for Romney, what can I say? He’s a pig fucker.
It’s important to remember that two seemingly incompatible truths can exist at the same time. The first truth is that Obama is a wholly corporatist president who has betrayed any remaining liberal Democratic ideals as well as his own campaign promises on the environment, civil liberties, health care, etc., etc. (I don’t believe for a moment that PPACA was a victory for the people, manifestly, it was intended to benefit the health insurance industry by creating a forced market of tens of millions of new participants)..
The second truth is that Romney and the Republicans are much, much worse than Obama and the Democrats and are a much more immediate threat to the future of any remaining United States democracy.
This leads to what I believe is the correct way to vote in the presidential contest in 2012: In a non-swing state, vote for a third party or write-in (Jill Stein is a great choice). In a swing state, vote for Obama, while still being fully cognizant of his limitations and failings, and aware that later historians will rank him as one of the weaker presidents.
All you west coast idiots still talking political crap while the east coast burns and floods.this storm could hurt Obama the worst. Seeing that the rich have more resources to get to any polls that might be open. Might be open!!!!!
Starting soon? If you’re not being paid to write this, it’s just plain CRAZY. Obama is NOT a Democrat!
I pulled this from Yves Smith this morning.
“By Bill Black, the author of The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One and an associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City
Obama intends to begin to unravel the safety net (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid) to convince the Republicans to enter into this Faustian bargain. Just as only a conservative Republican could visit “Red” China, only a Democrat can begin the destruction of the safety net. The difference, of course, is that normalizing relations with China was a good thing while unraveling the safety net is a terrible thing.
Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/#iVPK6Xsd8OOZA6HR.99
51 is the number that counts, everyone but paid Obama apologists know this.
Yes!
Just curious, how much pay does it take to make one comfortable enough to spew such tripe, and what are other circumstances? Obviously, you have no kids and grand-kids you’re concerned about.
This is a joke, right?
Here’s a review of the Federal Employees Health Benefit plan with reasons, including affordability and coverage, why it would not be suitable as a national healthcare plan. Some of the particular issues raised here may or may not have been mitigated by other provisions of the ACA that would apply to the ACA plan, but you would need to examine the details further.
There is also a question as to whether subsidies will be available on the ACA national exchange, which would also affect affordability.
LINK and LINK
There are activists fighting the construction of the pipeline in East Texas right now and Obama is quietly going about business as usual as a multinational foreign corporation coerces, intimidates and harasses property owners into giving up land. So, too, are most liberals.
One politician pretends to be your friend. That makes liberals second guess whether they should challenge him. The other is, during this election cycle, pretending he has some positions and does not have some positions. However, if elected he would govern like Bush and would not apologize for any policies or actions taken. It would be clear where he stands and liberals or progressives would not hesitate to righteously criticize and condemn him.
Come on Kilgore you can’t be so dense to believe that the Right’s attack on the ACA is anything more than political election season posturing.
If Willard wins the selection do you really think Big Pharma or Big Insurance would sit on their hands and allow their minions in congress to kill this Cash Cow that will send them billions of taxpayer subsidized dollars. The SCOUTS decision on the Mandate was quietly celebrated by the Bigs with snickers and Champagne while the political actors gnashed their teeth and rent their garments for the public Kabuki.
With a moniker like yours you should be able to read between the lines or are you playing a role too?
Oh, the things we forgive when we fall in love
http://girltalk247.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/barack-obama.jpg
Notice the sense of panic creeping into the Obots?
Anybody who believes that is looking at policy and actions instead of falling blindly in love with a candidate. Looking specifically at policies and actions, Obama has been worse for the environment in 4 years than Obama has been in 8.For verification with approaching 200 references see Environment – http://newprogs.org/blog/2011/11/08/environment-under-democraticrepublican-uni-party