
(Photo by Barack Obama)
The slogan of President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign was “Forward.” As progressives and others celebrate his victory, they need to take a moment to soberly reflect on the reality that his second term will be marked by advancing policies that he helped institutionalize or allowed to become further entrenched—some of which picked up on expanding executive power where President George W. Bush left off in 2008.
The institutionalization of kill lists, the normalization of targeted assassination and the gradual redefinition of due process by killing US citizens suspected of terrorism without judicial process is an unchecked and ghastly power, which Obama asserted during his first term.
The signing of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, which included an indefinite detention provision authorizing the military to detain US citizens indefinitely without charge if suspected of terrorism was a disconcerting act. Obama publicly suggested he had not wanted these powers and would not use them and there was no reason to be alarmed. When a group of individuals mounted a lawsuit and a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against the provision and declared it unconstitutional, the Obama administration had its lawyers file an appeal and a judge restored the new power.
The decision was made to not try terror suspects in federal courts. Terror suspects believed to have been involved in the 9/11 attacks and others imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay, which Obama failed to close, are now going through a military tribunal process—a second-class justice system where one is not allowed to testify in court about torture experienced at the hands of CIA interrogators because the government claims it controls the thoughts and memories of detainees.
Warrantless surveillance escalated sharply under Obama. The ACLU obtained Justice Department documents that showed federal law enforcement agencies were “increasingly monitoring Americans’ electronic communications, and doing so without warrants, sufficient oversight, or meaningful accountability.” Now, the Supreme Court is deciding whether to hear a challenge against the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which allowed telecommunications companies to be granted retroactive immunity for warrantless wiretapping under Bush. The act also allowed for the expansion of dragnet surveillance. Obama Justice Department lawyers have argued it does not have to tell plaintiffs challenging the law they have been unlawfully monitored and, even if they did violate their privacy, it would not matter because the surveillance state is here to stay.
Obama refused to prosecute war criminals. Not a single person was prosecuted and convicted of torture. Even though he signed an executive order as president that prohibited “enhanced interrogation techniques” used under Bush, torture was effectively decriminalized. The “state secrets” privilege was invoked when torture victims tried to sue government for torture, effectively preventing justice. Moreover, former CIA agent John Kiriakou was prosecuted for allegedly leaking the name of a covert officer, who had been a kidnapper in the CIA’s Rendition, Detention and Interrogation program. It was believed that various individuals in human rights organizations knew this officer’s identity, and it was largely suspected the government was prosecuting Kiriakou because he was one of the first in government to say on television the CIA had an official policy of torture while Bush was president. The prosecution destroyed his life, took a tremendous toll on his wife and his five children so he ended up taking a plea deal.
State secrecy ramped up: the Bush Administration tactic of using overly broad “state secrets” claim to prevent the declassification or exposure of information was embraced. Obama fought court orders to release photos depicting abuse of detainees held in US custody and supported legislation to retroactively exempt the photos from release under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). He threatened to veto legislation to reform congressional notification procedures for covert actions. He refused to declassify information on Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act, a section believed to allow for the collection of information not relevant to espionage or terrorism investigations. He increased the rate of documents being classified. He aggressively pursued a war on whistleblowing by prosecuting whistleblowers to a greater degree than any previous president.
The American empire’s more than 1000 bases were sustained. The network was kept up so that they would remain in place and act as “lily pads” for future operations involving drones, Special Forces or US troops. Camp Lemmonier in Djibouti developed into a permanent drone war base that could be used for strikes in Yemen and Somalia.
The Afghanistan War was escalated. Obama did not have the fortitude to challenge military generals. Now, the public is led to believe it will end in 2014. How much can anyone in the Obama administration guarantee that right now? How about the Pentagon? What do they say to those who suggest war will be over and why does it have to last another two years?
The War on Drugs was fought with vigor as he cracked down on medical marijuana dispensaries. Obama said at one point during his first term, “I don’t mind a debate around issues like decriminalization…I personally don’t agree that’s a solution to the problem.” He did not think legalization of drugs was an answer either, even though he said in 2004, “The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws. We need to rethink how we’re operating the drug war.”
Voters in Massachusetts, Colorado and Washington voted to legalize marijuana. They rejected the War on Drugs. They rejected the antipathy the Obama administration showed youth and others interested in marijuana legalization. They decided to begin the end of prohibition of drugs in America so common sense policies can be put in place to deal with drugs as a public health issue instead of a scourge that must be fought with force and suppression.
Amnesty International’s Suzanne Nossel understands much of this. She stated after it was announced that he won, “When it comes to countering terrorism, President Obama has hidden behind national security imperatives to shield administration policy in secrecy and pursue programs such as expanded drone use and thwarted accountability.” She added, “President Obama’s second term will determine whether the post 9/11 stains on the United States’ human rights record are an anomaly or the new normal.” ACLU executive director Anthony Romero stated, “We urge President Obama to dismantle a national security state where warrantless surveillance, extra-judicial killings of American citizens by drones and other attacks on our personal freedoms have been deemed acceptable.” He, too, understands the starkness of Obama’s first term.
If progressives and, more importantly, American citizens accept the status quo over the next four years (which is what Obama’s re-election gave the country), one can expect the Obama administration to move forward with the War on Drugs. It can expect the administration to move forward with the Surveillance State. It can expect the administration to move forward with the perpetual War on Terror (which Obama does not call the War on Terror so he can appear different from Bush). It can expect the administration to move forward with policies of US empire.
Forward, unlike hope and change, was more than just an idealistic slogan for Obama’s re-election campaign. It was a savvy way of presenting a mantra that truly represented the virtue and style of his first term because he was all about not challenging any special interests or adversarial groups. In his first term, he was all about going along with the national security state, letting the imperial presidency grow because, maybe, it just didn’t really bother him when he got to see how it all really worked.
Many of these issues were off the table during the election. Third party presidential candidates Jill Stein of the Green Party, Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party and Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party tried, through their campaigns, to focus Americans’ attention on key civil liberties and human rights issues. Their campaigns empowered a number of voters, who decided they would no longer let the Democratic Party take them for granted. But, the shift away was not enough to push Obama to say anything bold on the campaign trail.
So, in conclusion, forward—a one-word slogan for business as usual which public relations experts known as campaign advisors and staff employed—should be a understood as warning to us all that Obama has no intention of revisit the institutionalization, entrenchment or continuation of alarming national security policies. They will all continue if we let his popularity or perceived goodness silence and immobilize us, as it did through most of his re-election campaign.



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Thanks, Kevin. What depressing summary for the morning after.
And one more thing. The legislative branch will have as little taste for holding the executive branch accountable on these matters as the last two Congresses did.
The national security state is the new third rail of politics,
replacing Social Security, which is now fair game.
It may be depressing but really it should be sobering. It should ground us in reality. So much of an election is a projection of our hopes. Part of includes people choosing to completely ignore what government is really doing so they can vote for whomever. But it is over.
Thank you for the important counterpoint regarding 0′s reelection: the truth as opposed to the propaganda.
This should be front-paged. We’ll see…
Kevin, you’re doing the Lord’s work. thank you. It’s a shame that civil liberties (particularly in post 9/11 America) are still fringe boutique issues that rarely gets mentioned in the national discussion. The sad reality is, this is due to the bipartisan consensus on expanding the national security state. Witness Romney’s response on drones during the third debate. It’s essentially “we agree on this, move on to next question…” Additionally, Americans seem to prefer security over liberty and think civil liberties infringement only happen to “others.”
I distinctly recall the feeling that always used to give me some measure of comfort, no matter how awful might be the political state of affairs in the U.S. It was brought about with the knowledge that I lived in a place where the Checks & Balances worked into the system would find a way to help right any situation, be it the Viet Nam War, Iran-Contra, or what have you.
I no longer feel that slight comfort that checks & balances used to provide. This tells me in my gut that no matter how good or bad things may seem to anyone, depending on their point of view, that the ability to change the system from within the system is now folly. This is a feeling distinct to a tyrannical system, not a system that is open and free. It is characterized by feelings of repression and hopelessness.
Certainly I continue to fight. The only entities that provided me with any real hope through this campaign were the campaigns run by Jill Stein (the main one), Peta Lindsay (unquenchable spirit), and Rocky Anderson (my modern day “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington”)
. So I will continue, largely through the Green Party, to focus my efforts, and allow a modicum of hope to sustain me.
But I realize now that Obama’s first call for “Hope” in 2008 was really just an incomplete statement. He really promised “Hope…lessness.” The “Change” part was in fact complete. It just never really promised in what way that Change might lead.
Lucky for me, I’m an eternal optimist, though not of the “Pollyanna” type. So I carry with me in my spirit a core of Hope that will only leave after I’m dead. That hope, joined with those people to whom I referred above and others close to me, will be my fuel in the near future. Our growing “Corporate Tyrannical State of America” provides absolutely nothing for any of the people, or for that matter any form of life at all on our planet.
First action step: Communicate & Educate.
Said from the other side of the equation: Be Aware & Open to Learn.
Very true.
Sad, though important to consider, is that most of the nation will now go back to simply ignoring what the government is really doing for no particular purpose at all.
Front-paged. Thanks to the FDL PTB for that. Gosztola is this site’s conscience and soul these days. We do well to consider what he’s written here.
Thanks for this sobering reminder. I quite agree. FWIW, I voted for Dr. Jill Stein. I couldn’t vote for this War Criminal again, albeit I mostly “get” why many did. Wasn’t sad to listen to Lord High Muckey Mitt’s concession speech, but then again, wasn’t heartened listening O’s acceptance speech.
Get ready for more of the same and probalby worse during this Admin, you “effen ret*rds.”
I sincerely appreciate your willingness to speak to truth, Kevin.
I hope that what you say, here, might be heeded and considered by the entire FDL community.
As Jane said, yesterday, “Now the real work begins”. And I consider that she includes an awareness of, and action predicated upon, precisely what you have presented and reminded us of, today.
DW
Caveat emptor. Everyone who voted for Obama owns these policies. He hasn’t been the least bit secretive about them; he’s proud of them. And so should you be, if you voted for him. I was also kind of astonished to see this website congratulate Obama on a well-run campaign that left the Republicans in the dust. Really? We all basically agree that the game is rigged but we still offer some sort of respect to the winner?
As for “now the real work begins,” that phrase makes me want to scream. The real work has been going on all along and has been made infinitely harder by anyone who let this pretense of a democratic election interrupt it.
Thanks, Kevin, for being a voice of reality in this delusional society.
X2. Well said.
Kawfee Tawk: The Grand Bargain will be neither grand nor a bargain.
Excellent comment; should be the Foreword for Kevin’s next book FORWARD to Totalitarianism (suggested title).
Kevin I’m inclined to think that voting is entirely tribal — either you belong to the (D) or the (R). Meanwhile the elites ignore us and do what they want with our government.
Another terrific read.
Kevin, you have fast become one of the premier blogosphere writers and analysts.
To have you and Jon, David Dayen all at FDL is a real treat.
My thanks to all, and to Mz. Hamsher for it all.
To the Obamabots, we’ll know in the first 6 months or less where he’s headed.
And I’ll continue to say, ‘be careful what you wished for’.
Be a lert, ‘Merica needs lerts, now more than ever. Again, Still, Yet.
x 10
Jill Stein garnered 0.3% of the vote.
You might want to reconsider your third party strategy.
Kevin would you be willing to repost this excellent diary to Voices on the Square?
http://www.voicesonthesquare.com/
It’s an emerging political/ cultural website that would be greatly invigorated by your voice and your logic.
Yep, factor in lack of jobs development, lack of support for returning regulation of banking/finance, lack of support to raise corp taxes and taxes on the 1%, his ‘promises’ to address deficit issues by ‘reforming’ SS and Medicare . . . . add all that to Kevin’s list . . .
And we got a whole boatload of shit to continue to be greatly concerned about wrt the needs of we the people.
We here at the margins are rethinking our political positions all of the time — victory, however, came Tuesday to those who didn’t bother to think at all, and just ceded their political wills to the oligarchy without imposing any conditions whatsoever.
Yep.
Well both Republicans and Democrats make sure they are the only parties presented to the people. It’s a rigged game and you know it.
Journey of a 1,000 miles begins with the first step hoss.
No one said this shit was easy, huh.
I am now a Socialist. Fully registered in CA as such.
Been a DIM since ’72. Never again.
On we trudge, against all odds, because we just, must.
Proud of my vote for Stein and will be prouder of it next time I hear innocent civilians were killed in a drone attack on a”suspected” terrorist, or when protesters are kettled and peppersprayed for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, or when the tarsands pipeline does an oopsie and ruins the land, or austerity kills some more poor people so Goldman Sachs can afford bonuses for those guys who did “nothing illegal”..and the list goes on. I would rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don’t want and get it. E. Debs
There you go again, speaking as if the PTB even give a shit.
My thought is that all of the factors that are implicated in Obama turning out to be the sort of foreign policy/domestic suppression hawk that even the crazed repubs couldn’t effectively dent are still operative. True he can’t run again, but his legacy will read like a true post 911 warrior to all but the few of us howling in the wind.
He wants to show he’s strong just like the (morally) hollowed out US of A wants to flaunt it’s strength and swagger it’s exceptionalism. I’m afraid Mr. Obama cannot reach inside himself to find the strength to demonstrate change, if he could even see clearly the possibilities. He is, I’m also afraid, as coopted by the hubris of his own psychological mechanisms as he is by the glint of all the power and wealth he can hob nob with.
bullseye! Thank you!!
I’m not optimistic on the drone/national security front, but I think that there may be some progress on the War on Drugs. Obama is enough of an opportunist here not to cater in some degree to the progressive base on something that never mattered except to the right and center right. It has always been a wedge issue. Now that he doesn’t have to defend against it, why waste the resources, when there are so many Commies and tree-huggers to hassle.
The best we can hope for over the medium term is that the reactionary right gets a little less crazy over the next few years, making civil liberties slightly more possible. I don’t hold out much hope on this, but it’s all we have.
As to Kiriakiou, he is a hero, of the same kind as the soviet hydrogen bomb scientist who opposed Brezhnev and was punished for it. The sad thing about all this is that there will be martyrs. No way around it; and it is very hard for any of us to step up to that plate.
Thank you Kevin. Still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that 60 million people, many of them calling themselves liberals or progressives, voted for all the things you mention, and on the domestic economic front, for a series of policies equally Backward.
Kevin, I agree with you on everything. However, we knew we were in for a painful ride when way before Obama was elected when my beloved Nancy Pelosi stated that no one would be held accountable for torture. It’s not just Obama who’s to blame. The entire nation is to blame. The Repiglickin’s relish the least hint of “weakness” on Obama’s part. Half this nation is a bunch of cowards still cowed by 9/11.
It’s still too soon, apparently, for this nation to discuss security policy sensibly. Give Obama a break, he read the tea-leaves and unfortunately did what was needed to get re-elected.
I’m going to take this as the key paragraph in this post-election opinion because most of the rest was known before the election:
The conditional “if progressives” is the key point. Progressives might not accept the status quo and might actually do something to change it; progressives might awaken the American citizens not to accept the status quo and they might provide the impetus for changes.
IMO, the first short-term objective is the “declaration of victory in the global war on terror.” Never mind that the whole framing of the global war on terror in concept allows for no ending or victory. What a declaration of victory would do is provide the political context for reversing the various authorizations of military force and to begin moves to undo the abridgements of civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act. It is an objective for progressive action because the President and Congress will not do it without public pressure. That public pressure will not occur without public awakening and debate and the creation of a broader movement.
Obama took the mask off even before he became Prez. He helped pass the BushCo/Paulsen bankster bailout without even attempting to amend its terms, and followed that up with his reinstatement of the BerBanke/Geithner regime. All the rest was just the logical followup.
The New Deal Democratic party fell apart in the late 1960s and with it any real hope for change. The New Dealers (union leaders/big city bosses) were corrupt and shoddy in their own way, but however imperfectly gave a voice and power to the same working class today’s neolibs have thrown under the bus.
thanks Kevin…another great article, you are a regular read for me on here. I made the mistake of surfing to MSNBC this morning and came across Todd and Gregory babbling. They were nearly orgasmic talking about the “fiscal cliff”. Gregory made the point that this is a great chance to stand by “business leaders” as he completely ignored them his first term. The outstandingness of Simpson Bowles was discussed. as someone else here states, on it goes….
First let me say that I agree that Obama has been really bad on civil liberties. I wouldn’t have expected a Dem to be that bad but he is. I’d like to make a suggestion.
Instead of sitting in the corner playing with ourselves and bitching, we start pushing hard to change those policies. We spent the better part of the last four years whining that Obama was awful and we hate him and he’s no better than the Republicans. (someones going to have to explain that one to me) Didn’t change a fucking thing did it.
All of us know that a Romney or any other right winger could care less about how we feel. Obama is not a Republican, he’s a Democrat and far more likely to be reachable from the left.
If we just piss and moan and do nothing else then we deserve what we get. How about instead we start putting as much pressure on this administration as we can to change. If it works then we get better policies. If it doesn’t then at least we tried.
I applaud your thinking. We do need to do whatever we can to change things and whining won’t get the job done.
After all, that magic (D) next to his name has to be worth something, right?
Well, actually, no.
And you are going to “put pressure” upon Obama by doing…. what? Maybe you could send all the Obots back in time to before Tuesday so they could revoke their votes for him?
Geez. Ok, yes. But many of us HAVE Done much more that bitch & whine.
Thanks a lot.
Ever wonder why Rahm Emanual told us we were “fucking retarded” or Roberts Gibbs said we should be “drug tested”??? It certaily wasn’t because we ONLY whined on the Internet.
You might want to pay a little more attention to what actions are being taken, rather than calling names.
What do YOU suggest we DO??? What have YOU done so far?? I’m truly open to a broad range of suggestions.
Thank you Twain. We have a strong community on the left. Stronger then I think we realize. I just hate to see us let that strength sit idle. It’s our time now.
We have put pressure on Obama in various ways. Remember primarying Blanche Lincoln? Didn’t work out but got very close.
Why do you think Rahm told his to STFU and that we were “fucking retarded”?? THAT was reflecting how they didn’t LIKE the pressure from the left…
just saying…
they don’t like what we’ve done in support of Bradley Manning & wikileaks, either, I might add.
So what do you suggest we DO?
Rahm may not like us, but that doesn’t mean that he regarded us as anything more than a nuisance. Same with Obama.
Maybe we can “put pressure on Obama” so that he’ll work harder to make us irrelevant.
His aides told the Des Moines Register two days ago that he was going to push for a grand bargain in the lame duck session. We need to organize to fight THIS, specificlly, right now:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/06/hold-usa-campaign-cliff-idUSL1E8M5EVC20121106
‘When you stand up, you stand for all. When you sit down, they win. To the streets!’ – g.singlaub
names for the nameless & blame for the blameless – lay your body on the gears
I’m not sure who the hell you think you’re talking to. I would guess that the vast majority of people who post here are quite active in their communities and have not been sitting in the corner playing with themselves and bitching. Those of us who took to the streets were met with overwhelming force from the police state and yet we kept going back. People are being held in prison for not cooperating with grand juries about alleged crimes they had absolutely nothing to do with.
Do you consider voting for Obama even though he’s a war criminal and he didn’t stop home foreclosures or push for single payer because you hope maybe he’ll do it next time, as some sort of pressure? Because it sure feels like capitulation to me.
There are Occupiers, tarsands and fracking protesters, DADT advocates, whistleblowers, NATO protesters, marriage equality advocates, NATO and anti-war protesters, and others about whom Kevin and others at FDL have written extensively who have done much more than whine about our rights and civil liberties, and who have done so often at great personal risk. Many of us have also supported those efforts as best we can through financial contributions, petitions, and phone call and letter campaigns.
Do you have some ideas for next steps? And do you expect that those who have been ardent supporters of Obama for the last 4 years to join in those steps?
Edit: To everyone who commented on this agreed. And although I didn’t mean my list to be conclusive, I’m particularly sorry I didn’t name the foreclosure/eviction protesters.
I’m seeing just the kind of responses I’ve come to expect here. I’m not sure what actions onitgoes is referring to. A hand full of protests, Occupy. Those have done some good but is that all.
Who did I call names and what did I call them? Jeez, if you guys can’t take constructive criticism then it would probably be best if you just stayed here and bitched. Oh I’m sorry, am I calling names again?
My last post was clearly premature. I apologize for that. That’s a good list and a good start. I’m not an expert on these things. If I had any ideas about how to go forward I would surely lay them out but the regular display of carping here gets a little old. All I know or at least believe is our chances of improving policy stands a much better chance with Obama then it ever would with Romney or any other R.
Holy crap Carol. Capitulation? Really? Is that the best you can do?
Outstanding piece Kevin. Positively OUTSTANDING!!!!
Nice Kevin, as usual.
I am a proud Stein supporter and would do it again because my principles are more important to me. That said the people have spoken. They want 4 more years of more of the same. So be it.
Obama is the Captain of the Titanic and we have already hit the iceberg, the 1% are already in their upholstered lifeboats and we are locked in steerage. Status quo don’t bother the 1% and their minions so we will take to the streets (as the Greek people did today) and fight for fairness and a return to democratic rule but much suffering will be dealt with along the way. I can’t see another path. Someone put together a list of uber wealthy Democrats who are on our side, came out in support of OWS, or stopped by Zucotti park, or eschewed the $38k dinners at the Fig and Olive in protest of Patriot Act extension or NDAA? It will be a very short list. It’s the 99% v. the 1%. Obama has not been on our side at any time and they are saving him a place in the lifeboat.
“Everyone who voted for Obama owns these policies. He hasn’t been the least bit secretive about them; he’s proud of them. And so should you be, if you voted for him.”
Absolutely! It is not so much that Obama and Romney are practically indistinguishable, but that their supporters are too when it comes to perpetual war, corporatism, torture and the destruction of the rule of law.
“I was also kind of astonished to see this website congratulate Obama on a well-run campaign that left the Republicans in the dust.”
I thought that was a little odd as well. Mainly becuase of the bit about leaving the “Republicans in the dust.” The popular vote was damn near a tie with one half of the party who wears the US flag lapel pin dominating the House and the other dominating the Senate. Where’s the dust? The result was practically a dead heat.
Nice!
Seems I’ve been pissing people off around here today. It was not my intention and for that I apologize. Criticism hurts, to be sure. Especially if you don’t believe you deserve it. I enjoy reading the articles here. All of the FDL posters put a great deal of work into their posts and it shows. Many of the commenters here impress me as being thoughtful and polite, even to me when I don’t deserve it but understand this. Any criticism I make is not out of malice but frustration. We have an amazing number of smart, determined people on the left and I think as a group we CAN do better and when I can help I do. Unfortunately, because of my financial situation, my voice is all I have to offer. If that’s not enough then so be it.
A.J. Muste the great progressive from those days of American history before milquetoasts like yourself kidnapped the word (yes, I realize you’ve never heard of him – which only makes my point) was once encountered on the road, alone in the rain, holding a sign in protest against the status quo, by a journalist who asked dismissively: Why are you doing this? Do you think you can actually change the country? he replied: “Oh no, you’ve got it all wrong. I’m not doing this to change the country. I’m doing this so the country won’t change me.”
They know damn well where he is headed–there’s four years of evidence–and they approved.
Good piece, Kevin. I want people to be ready for this discussion; I want them to engage and talk about the uncomfortable realities of this president’s track record. But they never seem to be up for it–not after the Awlaki assassination, not during the campaign, and especially not now during the giddy victory celebration. I wonder if the day will ever come when the Mainstream Left wakes up and smells the coffee.
Third parties are illegitimate because they don’t get enough votes and because they don’t get enough votes they are illegitimate.
“That’s some catch, that Catch-22.
It’s the best there is.”
Your willingness to characterize the genuine progressive resistance to Obama (there was a ton of it) as nothing but “pissing and moaning” tells me I shouldn’t even be responding to your inaccurate, offensive and self serving comment. But, as it’s but one step shy of Rahm’s “fucking retarded” remark I feel my reposte is worthy even as I accept it as a waste of my time.
Nicely put. It would be helpful to know how many American citizens want those authorizations (e.g., PATRIOT Act) rescinded, so whatever progress ensues can be measured.
I don’t fly, so I can’t say how much of an inconvenience the TSA presents to travelers (who don’t seem to protest — kvetching doesn’t affect policies). I suppose the airlines don’t even kvetch about it.
Indeed!
“”Those who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them of their blindness” – John Milton
Yep Kevin, we just Super-sized the turd sandwich.
I came to FDL from DKos and pissed people off many times but I guess I drank the koolaid or just couldn’t take Obamabotness. We need a degree of pissing off to keep these discussions lively. I am learning something new everyday and also have restrictions due to financial situation. Constructive criticism is always good and there are a bunch of smart people out there and this blog proves it everyday.
Thank you Bigchin. I feel so much better now.
You’re welcome.
The argument against the PATRIOT Act has to begin with educating the public as to what is in the act and what threatens civil liberties of ordinary people who are “working hard and playing by the rules”. (Yes, we can appropriate that mantra.) The threat of accidental entrapment is real and documented although glossed over by the Wall Street Media.
The argument against TSA is not inconvenience itself but inconvenience, financial waste, and proven ineffectiveness–exposing it as sham “security theater”. “We can no longer afford this boondoggle.” And all of those are well-documented. The airlines don’t vkvetch about it because it offloads their security functions (which they could likely do less instrusively and more effectively) onto the government.
But the first step is to have a declaration that the fear is misplaced. That there are muslim terrorists hiding under the bed. That the war is really over. That readjusts folks’ tolerance of inconvenience much like the end of World War II created tremendous pressure for the end of rationing (which the GOP exploited to win the 1946 election).
Let me preface this by saying that I appreciate your thoughts and that the following are not rhetorical questions.
What is the evidence to assume that Obama will respond to pressure from the left, or that he will respond better than a Rep President would?
What evidence is there to assume that the Obama administration no longer thinks of those on the left as “fucking retarded”?
If those on the left have no specific tactics in mind that would force Obama’s hand, why come to the conclusion that those on the left have the power to get Obama do what they want, especially after giving him their approval yesterday?
Which leads to the question, is it still going on?
My guess is it is.
thanks for that bit of reality.
Good job, voters!
” It’s not just Obama who’s to blame. The entire nation is to blame. ”
What a bunch of crap. I’m not in charge of enforcing America’s laws; Obama is. It was up to him whether or not torturers would be prosecuted, not me.
Perhaps in good faith, I should offer some suggestions of my own.
My suggestion follows Molly Ivins’ axiom: “The first rule of holes: When you’re in one stop digging.” In other words, stop participating in a destructive system; stop digging our own graves. (I suspect that those who view the world in terms of mutually exclusive dichotomies will see this as checking out. It is not. Not participating in the self-destructive systems we decry takes more effort, not less.)
Specifically:
Stop deferring to “leaders” for what we should be taking responsibility for ourselves. Stop believing them. Stop following them.
Stop watching the TV. It’s job is to put Right Answers where our own thinking should go.
Stop being afraid. The likelihood of this will improve dramatically once the TV is no longer watched.
Stop over-consuming products and energy.
Stop giving corporations your money (see above) and Wall Street your money to gamble with.
Stop joining and supporting the US military.
Even dictators and their owners need the acquiescence of a critical mass of the citizenry. The above are all things that are within the power of almost every citizen. They are inherently valuable because they cost us something and require us to act. Voting for Presidents and members of Congress costs nothing and therefore yields nothing. What are each of us going to DO?
IMO, TSA airport practices are unecessary but pose only a minimal inconvenience.
LOL!
“You people don’t do anything but sit around whining!”
“Not true. We raise money and hold protests and found organizations and write letters and join sit-ins.”
“Uh, uh, okay, you people don’t do anything but that!”
350.org is organizing a protest against the keystone xl pipeline in dc on Nov 18th. they’re also starting a divest campaign with the students on campuses and two universities have already signed on. could you help with that effort?
Jerry, speaking for myself, I welcome you here and always appreciate your perspective.
Actually, I’m kinda guilty of just sitting around and whining. But is pleasures me.
Mainstrream left doesn’t always have good olefactory senses. But I do. And I haven;t liked what I’ve been smelling.
I am watching this president and his second term verrrry carefully.
Excellent TD. Excellent!
There is a big article of faith at work here. It insists that the President cares about and represents the citizenry. It insists that the President is taking care of the interests of those who did not provide him with the hundreds of millions of dollars he needed to get the job over the interests of those that did provide the bankroll. It is an article of faith that depends upon deference to authority, even at personal expense and evidence to the contrary.
Like most articles of faith it is predicated on fear. The fear is that the President and his owners don’t give a fuck about us. The idea that there is no benevolent father figure in DC looking out for us, that there is no “expert” tending the light at the end of the tunnel, is just too scary for some people to accept.
(To be clear, I’m in no way suggesting this is the case with onitgoes. I’m just responding to your comments.)
really now, what choice did the electorate have in this chimera of a republic?
was the electorate really going to embrace mitt and install him in the oval office, with paul ryan as the potential replacement?
i would tend to say that karl rove is snickering loudly at these results – his side of the class war had the best of all outcomes: heads they win, tails they win.
the best outcome would have been everyone staying home, not voting, thus repudiating the entire menu. but, that ain’t never going to happen. and even if were to happen, the propandists, as in 1984, would air fraudulent pictures of historical polling place activity and speaking to a script extolling the peoples’s democracy thriving.
as i said, but was censored by the moderator, some days ago, it was a contest of an actual mass murderer versus an erstwhile mass murderer. in a very real sense, for the electorate a non-zero sum game[everyone loses].
It would be useful to know how the mass of USkind think and feel about their lost civil liberties. Okay, suppose the threat of entrapment or inadvertent injury and death soon directly affects one in every four or five families, like cancer. Does the mass of USkind realize that most of the cancers are preventable and caused by environmental or dietary pollution and contamination? They’ve been informed but they don’t seem to believe it, or they figure they can’t do anything about it, and hope for good luck. Since the threat of nuclear annihilation became real, it’s been ordinary and easy to block out every threat or danger. Except for drugs and STDs.
Depends on what you mean by informed. There is a deluge of bogus information in our culture from the self-interested information pushed by corporate PR departments to the scam information of entrepreneurs who prey on people’s nature to look at things in a contrarian fashion. (See Rick Pearlstein’s piece about the GOP and lying as a virtue to see how this entrepreneurialism works.)
With regard to civil liberties, the whole Tea Party framing is about “liberty”, “liberty”, “liberty” and there are a whole lot of folks paranoid about the government taking away their “gun rights”. Wonder why they’ve been so silent about all of the civil liberties issues? Hypothesis: their guy first did it and they are military measures to deal with those dangerous different people. If there is obliviousness, I don’t think it is a risk-judgment error. But that is a subculture. The mass of USkind, the preponderance of USians, are too distracted to absorb information unless it immediately affects them.
Thanks KG… like your corner here at FDL lots…Obama may have won this 2012 WH election by the numbers and agreed upon counting but did not win on basis of moral,ethical,decency and integrity measures — all these were lost by Obama some time ago and now 2016 is going to be a long way to get to. Mitt Romney got beat by a better R — Barack Obama — the deception in this being so cost well over $2 billion — either way the 10% won the most in this 2012 WH election.
here we are. we the people, with the most powerful president to the present. the most powerful military on the plant, which is not as strong as we the people. that’s right we the people extends to everyone. to our president, to our elected, to all. what do we want? where would we go? president obama ask the american people what needs to be done.
The worst is that the left now has ZERO leverage over Obama and Democrats.
You mean his first term didn’t already make the determination that these policies are the new normal? Where has this flake been for four years?
Oh, you urge him to dismantle it. That’s nice. And when, not if, he ignores you, what then? How do you propose to make Obama and the Democrats move leftward to dismantle the police state when the left did almost nothing to make these politicians fear losing our votes? While it is commendable that Stein and Anderson ran leftist campaigns from outside the two-party establishment, where was the support from Jane Hamsher, Markos Moulitsas, Chris Bowers, Cenk Uygur, R.J. Eskow, Michael Moore, Glenn Greenwald, Bill Maher, and the like? Why weren’t they pushing hard for Stein and Anderson using their media voices instead of either shilling for Obama or remaining on the sidelines?
So now the left is in an even weaker position than it was, and there is now nothing to stop Obama short of all out revolution. It’s going to require mass civil disobedience, mass occupations of capitols and corporate buildings in the millions. It’s going to require blood and sweat and tears and jail sentences and brutal crackdowns murdering thousands before the millions are able to take back this country from the feudal lords. And all the while, we need to be building third parties at the local level so we can move up to state and then federal.
But don’t expect to get anything by timidly asking for changes in the right direction or by cravenly endorsing the very policies we condemn.
Living in my little bubble, I was pretty shocked last night watching returns with our Democratic precinct chair, our Democratic block captains and the prior Dem precinct chair to hear the prior Dem precinct chair say she was strongly in favor of drones. When I asked why, she said that was much preferable to having our folks in harms way.
She brought up drones when I said I strongly disliked Obama because of his assassination of Americans and indefinite detention – the loss of the rule of law.
Obama regards us as something to be wiped off of the soles of his shoes. But hey, there’s no sense pissing off the faithful. Being an angry monk is a raw deal both ways — you took your vow of poverty (and Obama will make us poor), and you still haven’t found peace of mind.
While it is commendable that Stein and Anderson ran leftist campaigns from outside the two-party establishment, where was the support from Jane Hamsher, Markos Moulitsas, Chris Bowers, Cenk Uygur, R.J. Eskow, Michael Moore, Glenn Greenwald, Bill Maher, and the like?
Your point is taken. And, the fact that none of these above-listed leftist stalwarts supported Stein and Anderson. What a shame! So sad and so satarical at the same time.
Unless you are a member of Congress, he does not answer to you on his execution of the Supreme Law of the Land.
As you continue to send to Congress people like you who declared war in individuals, that means as CIC, Obama is required by law to wage war on individuals. If we were at war with the Axis, the president would have lists of the Axis nations and ships to be bombed. As we are at war with individuals, the president needs to have lists of individuals to bomb. We the People have done nothing to stop the war on individuals that Congress passed in 2001. FDR didn’t send the FBI to arrest the German leadership, Truman didn’t send the FBI to arrest the Japanese military – they bombed them.
A few people organized the Tea Party that got 50 radicals elected to Congress in 2010 and almost all reelected yesterday, so you can’t argue that getting yourself and 49 others elected to Congress is impossible from inside the Republican party – go to it. Then Obama will answer to you.
Uh, no.
Barack Obama won in many of the states within the barest of margins despite running against an awful candidate. Perhaps the Democratic Party ought to rethink it’s strategy.
There will be a tipping point. Mark my words.
Karl looked like he was heading towards a nervous breakdown last night. From what I understand he was still babbling about Florida results this morning and the election not being over.
No, I’d say Rove is an unseated puppet. Not one of those who pulls the strings.
“It would be useful to know how the mass of USkind think and feel about their lost civil liberties.”
There are some clues here:
http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/0226511928
Economic issues come first, in my view and that of most U.S. citizens. While ending the wars should certainly be a significant part of that, the other aspects of finance, energy, trade, and business are priorities. This article does not mention the terrible policies and non-enforcement actions maintained by the Obama administration in its first term, and the likelihood of their continuation. Topping the list now is Obama’s Great Betrayal (Grand Bargain) to reduce the deficit by cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in conjunction with tax increases. I think initially, THAT is where we need to concentrate our protests.
“How do you propose to make Obama and the Democrats move leftward . . .”
I have asked on at least half a dozen posts if anyone who thinks they will move Obama left after the election can provide any specific tactics by which this will be accomplished. I ask this in good faith. All I have heard for an answer is silence. A reasonable conclusion might be that moving Obama left after the election was just feel-good bullshit that allowed one to vote for someone they knew to be, at least, disingenuous. People do this all the time: Imagine some future good that they will do in exchange for committing an unsavory act today. There are no marching orders, no ideas, no tactics.
To be fair, I did get this one response on how moving Obama left my be accomplished, “My BOOT, fella!” I still don’t know what that means.
As a Progressive I am not celebrating Obama’s reelection, I’m resigned to it
Electorally Obama blew Romney away. That being said, by the popular numbers, Romney was way closer than he should of been. Obama supporters must not have noticed that Obama’s margin was razor thin in places like Virginia and Florida.
Kaine got called way earlier than Barack Obama in Virginia because Barack Obama underperformed here by about 2% and won by less than 3%.
Oldgold can laugh about 0.3% but the truth is that in a hyperpartisan environment most elections are being decided by very small margins. You don’t need to have 10% of the population. You just need a large enough margin to impact the election results. What oldgold doesn’t mention is that if you compare third party impact in 2004 ,2008 and 2012 then you would see the movement away from the corporate owned duopoly is occuring slowly but it IS occuring.
“When I asked why, she said that was much preferable to having our folks in harms way.”
Wow. So, there is nothing we can do about our wars other than make sure their people and not our people are the ones dying. The assumption here is that perpetual war is inevitable. Perhaps for the US empire it is? What was that GreenMan just said about Obama’s role in making things like drones and assassination the new normal? Mission accomplished.
We need to multitask. The endless need to replenish a system that cumulatively is larger than the 10 nations underneath us is an “economic issue.”
It impacts how we are able to pay for things like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
“Electorally Obama blew Romney away.”
You are right. That is true. I was thinking only about the popular vote. Or, judging from many recent comments at FDL on the illegitimacy of the thing, the Electoral College sucks except when it delivers a big win for your team.
Along with your point about the significance of the growth of third parties in consistently close federal elections, I suspect that low voter turnout is partially a function of only having two sides of the same coin to choose from for the last 100 years.
One of the most difficult (maybe impossible) things for the human mind to wrap itself around is that two seemingly incompatible truths can exist at the same time. One political truth is that Obama (along with his Democratic party) is predominantly corporatist, in no way liberal, and that his and their main goal is to enact a devastating Grand Bargain that will devastate the extremely fragile and tentative current economic recovery. The other truth is that Romney and the Republicans are much worse, belonging to the loony right overlapping fascism.
So whether or not one votes for Obama depends on how one answers the question: is it better to fight for what one believes in or to accept what is terrible to prevent what is truly odious?
The analogy won’t be complete until the US loses in a total war, is destroyed, and partitioned into sectors and occupied by the victors’ military. The Godwin Paradox.
Indeed. Who wants to be an angry monk? Although, I’m not sure that there is no utility in pissing off the faithful.
True. I was just thinking that discovering a little about what was going on prior to all that might be useful.
Or, a possible answer to your questions about how US citizens might feel about losing their civili liberties is that they feel nothing because they are unaware of it. I remember standing on a hill on the edge of the concentration camp at Dachau looking down at the town below and thinking, “There is no way in hell nobody knew what was going on here.” But at the end of the war when the allies forced the local German population to march through the camp to witness what their nation had done (and filmed this for posterity), you see the genuine shock and horror on their faces that betrayed their ignorance, willful or otherwise, of the meathook realities of their existence.
“[W]e are warned about the dogmas of the left and of the right, but not a word is uttered about the dogmas of the center, since these are perceived not as dogmas but as the nature of things. The ruling ideas gain such a legitimacy and long-standing support as to become a force of their own, internalized in the minds of millions, supposedly defining the difference between ideas that are “realistic,” “moderate,” and “unbiased” and the ideas that are not. In time, the ruling ideas serve not only as an effect of class power, they become ca cause . . . . Legitimated ideas and institutions allow for a double standard of political perception. Repressive and “extremist” actions which are treated as evidence of tyranny in other societies are accepted as necessary steps to ensure the security of one’s own.”
–Michael Parenti, from “Power and the Powerless”
I like Parenti, have his Inventing Reality and Land Of Idols.
Thanks Kevin for keeping it real, regarding Obama’s record and likely next-steps in/on his path. I voted third-party Jill Stein (Ralph Nader 2008) to help the alternative to Rs & Ds grow. I’m hoping the overall 3P vote totals will reflect a trend, and that it gets some notice in mainstream press/media. It is discouraging when high-profile lefties like Michael Moore, Bruce Springsteen, and (to a smaller audience) Cenk Uygur/The Young Turks advocate and celebrate his re-election. I had hoped more progressives would say “f’n too much is more than enough already, god damnit!” What more do you need to break-up with the guy and vote Third Party? Your prodigious journalistic output is much appreciated, and inspiring.
It’s not that criticism “hurts”. It’s that the criticism you level at this group is mis-directed. Many here -more than you by your admission- have been very actively engaged.
Most are frustrated. Some despairing. But one thing they are not is “whiners”.
If your voice is all you have to offer (presuming even your time cannot be donated for some reason, and in acknowledgement that some are legitimately thus constrained) isn’t this not “criticism” but rather projection?
Just reviewed Ohio tallies.
“Other” – 1.6% (not broken down) 88,051 votes
Difference Obama – Romney
103,519 VOTES
You think TBogg was hysterical here pre-election because the D weren’t worried about third party votes?
Pre-election polls showed as much as 6% going third party, with about 3% being taken from each. Had it done so (and had Obama lost the most as a result) the outcome might have been different there. (Haven’t viewed other states yet.)
The notion that a third party movement is irrelevant is contrary to fact. It has a heck of a better chance moving the uniparty D – division than “working from within”.
Exactly. Please see me at 107.
This “third party has no chance to affect outcome” canard must be relentlessly refuted.
There is a world of difference between “no chance to win” and “no chance to affect election outcome/change” via a third party strategy. Especially with a closely divided electorate.
X2. Great post Gosztola.
Incredibly sad but true.
One word re civil liberties.
Hate to say it, but the focus on killing, torture, indefinite detention re people outside the U. S. (even U. S. citizen’s) is just too outside the experience of the average American to penetrate. Especially given MSM complicity/silence and the everyday struggle to survive.
Focusing instead on the destruction of rights of U.S. citizens inside the U.S. is much more likely
to have an impact, IMHO. There is plenty there to talk about.
True enough-I voted a straight green party ticket this time. Something I have never did in 40 years of voting. If one of my friends asked me who I was voting for an I’d tell em Jill Stein-the most common reply was “who the fuck is Jill Stein.”I just refuse to believe that americans are that stupid to keep voting for Dems or Repubs. Maybe I might have to re-evaluate my thinking.Now that I think about it-Americans gotta be about the most stupid motherfuckers on the face of the planet.LOL-Yeah that’ll about sum shit up.
Straight-up!