One of the important things we may learn during the lame duck session as the White House hammers out a deal with Republicans on the fiscal slope is an answer to the vexing if tiresome question of what “really” motivates President Obama’s policies.
There are two schools of thought among progressives. For those who consistently support the President despite being well to the left of his record, there’s the widespread conviction that Obama is a closet progressive who has been consistently and tragically hemmed in by the Republicans, by public opinion, or by the reality of governing in Washington DC. According to this theory, the President hasn’t been able to achieve the policy aspirations of ideological progressives because powerful forces have stopped him short or pushed him in other directions. Remove or overcome those obstacles, and you’ll find a different Barack Obama than the one his official record suggests, an Obama who would not hesitate to enact real universal healthcare with a public option, real help for homeowners who are underwater, labor law reform, major global warming legislation, criminal investigations of the bankers most responsible for the financial collapse, an end to the Keystone pipeline project, etc.
Then there’s the alternative theory, which argues that for the last four years, Obama has governed as Obama has seen fit to govern. Certainly, he has faced major opposition to many parts of his agenda from Congressional Republicans, from powerful corporate lobbies, etc., as any Democratic president would. But he has been largely successful in achieving an overall policy framework that conforms to his political convictions, which are by and large centrist and technocratic. He hasn’t pursued criminal prosecutions of bankers because he doesn’t see bankers as criminals or their greed and overreach as the catalysts of the financial meltdown. He doesn’t see helping homeowners who are upside down on their mortgages as necessary to fix the economy, and he doesn’t see doing so as the government’s responsibility. He supports the Keystone XL Pipeline on its merits (with some modest environmental safeguards attached), he believes in healthcare reform only within the parameters of “market-based” approaches, and he doesn’t really care about labor law reform. He’s no right wing radical, but he’s no social justice activist, either. The record of his first four years, disappointing as it has been for progressives, was shaped largely by his own policy preferences, not by the intransigence of his political opponents.
One theory sees the record of the first term of the Obama presidency as the failed aspirations of an ideological ally. The other sees it as the successful implementation of a political philosophy that is simply not progressive in any way.
In a sense, it’s a metaphysical question: you can’t ever really know what motivates someone to do what they do, nor outside of the contexts of psychotherapy or interpersonal relationships does it generally matter much. But it’s also the most important question you can ask when it comes to discerning what the second Obama term might look like.
Until now, the evasive nature of the political psyche of Barack Obama has been a strategic benefit to the administration. On the one hand, no matter how many progressive principles he violated in the first term, no matter how many campaign promises he broke, his supporters were always there to argue that it was somebody else’s fault, that he did only exactly what anybody else in his position could have done under the circumstances, that if only the Republicans weren’t so crazy or the corporate lobbyists so powerful, he would have acted precisely as his purist critics on the left prescribed. Deporting more immigrants than George W. Bush? He’s just doing what he has to do to appease the Republican anti-immigrant zealots in order to set the table for comprehensive reform. Drone strikes? Hey, better than real war, which is what the Republicans would do. Ponying up Medicare and Social Security for cuts in the debt ceiling debate? How else to stave off fiscal calamity at the hands of Republicans, and anyway, entitlements are going to need to be dealt with at some point, and would you rather have Paul Ryan butcher them unilaterally, or have a Democratic president at the bargaining table?
Meanwhile, those who have argued that Obama was never a “real” progressive in the first place have helped bolster the administration’s claims to negotiating partners and other Washington stakeholders (the GOP caucus, business leaders, political reporters) that the President is an independent actor unencumbered by ideology and not beholden to the “professional left.” If the Progressive Change Campaign Committee is out there blasting us for abandoning the public option, so the argument went, then can you really believe we’re taking our cues from the single payer, government takeover crowd? If we’re so soft on Islamic radicalism, then how is it that Glenn Greenwald is putting us through the wringer for secret kill lists and prosecutions of whistleblowers? Come on, we’re all reasonable people here.
So which is it? The debate over the fiscal slope might help finally answer that question. With the election behind him and with the Republicans’ best case for an austerity-based budget that protects the rich from tax increases soundly rejected by voters, there isn’t a lot in the political equation to prevent Obama from implementing the solution that he wants to see. If the Republicans continue to refuse to budge from their position, it will be out of the political paralysis of a fiercely divided caucus, not a united adherence to conservative principle. In that case, a standoff between the White House and the GOP could well spell the implosion of the latter. Obama won the election; he has the upper hand in the debate and the resolution of the dispute will be his to determine. But what is the solution Obama wants to see?
If Obama uses the political capital of his election victory to secure the deal that he claims is best for the middle class and for the economy — an end to the Bush tax cuts for the top two percent — then it will become possible to argue that the election swept away some of the political clutter that had prevented Obama from enacting his real agenda in the first term, and that now we’re starting to get a glimpse of Obama the progressive activist peering out of the closet. We’ll see over the course of the first hundred days if that pattern continues.
If, on the other hand, the President agrees to a “balanced” approach that concedes to Republican demands for an extension of the current tax rates and also cuts spending on safety net programs, then it will be high time for a universal ban on the political blinders worn by so many unconditional Obama supporters in the first term. Unlike the last cycle, Obama did not run on the promise of bipartisanship as a paramount virtue. He ran on the argument that his careful approach to economic growth and stability is superior to the Republicans’ slash-and-burn austerity fetishism. It was an argument of outcomes, not process. How Obama resolves the “fiscal cliff” debate should be taken as a true indication of the kind of future the President really wants to shape for the country — and not as yet another situation he was haplessly forced into by nefarious actors whose powers were greater than his own resolve.




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I think his response to drug legalization in Washington and Colorado will also be revealing of the real Obama.
Hard to believe wistful thinkers are still engaging this bogus issue in 2012, but it’s the nature of the liberal beast to think that everything can be resolved if everyone acts nicer. Obama made RAHM EMANUEL his first hire; he used the occasion of the Nobel Peace Prize to assert the country’s manifest right to police the planet. He’s spending Tuesdays personally deciding who to assassinate. He refused George BUSH’s offer of a stimulus before entering the WH. Metaphysical my a**.
This is a guy who openly declares the T.S. Eliot shaped his personal philosophy. Go see what Eliot was and stood for.
“The Wasteland,” indeed.
Or perhaps, The Hollow Man.”
What if Obama had pursued “Card Check” union organizing with the same vigor he showed in bombing Libya without any authority? Would those brave Wal-Mart strikers have formed unions by now?
Just one example of O’s fecklessness and it’s consequences.
Even if Obama were to get the exact deal that he says he wants, it wouldn’t be the “progressive activist Obama peaking out of the closet.”
From your link:
Even if it’s too much to ask that a Democrat realize that the deficit isn’t the problem, can we at least question why “students or seniors or middle-class families” need to pay down any of it, whether or not this is done with a mild inconvenience to upper income people?
If this were 2007, this question would make sense.
In 2012, it has been answered so many times by Administration actions
that merely asking it is a form of denial.
T.S. Eliot was a shameful anti-Semite who got a robust “pass” in his day due to his formidable prose and poetry. It was the same decades before with Richard Wagner and his music.
Making exceptions, tolerating intolerance, is easy and to be expected in certain circumstances.
I don’t disagree. As I wrote, if he does stick to his guns and prevail on the Bush tax cuts, we’ll have to wait and see if the pattern persists through the first hundred days before drawing the conclusion that he’s a closet progressive after all. The fiscal slope deal won’t be enough on its own.
That said, this post is me trying to give the President the benefit of the doubt for the time being, and spelling out what I think is a reasonable test for whether to judge the unfolding second term as a departure from the first, or more of the same.
From this link posted on a previous thread:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/09/by-their-fruits-ye-shall-know-them/
Money quote:
“That is the essence of being a politician today: to deliver one’s constituency of voters to the campaign contributors…”
That’s your real Obombya. He’s been standing up all along.
Here’s the “Grand Bargain” (not a bargain):
Medicare and Social Security Cuts, Tax Cuts for Job Creators, MIC and Police State Largesse continues unabated. Pipeline In. Bong Hits Out. Bananas Holder goes after pot in Washington State and Colorful Colorado.
This article is much too generous in assuming Obama’s good intentions. The author left out the most accurate School of Thought #3 (Trojan Horse):
As William K. Black says, “Only a Democrat can make it politically safe for Republicans who hate the safety net to unravel it”, and he aptly calls it the “Great Betrayal.”
From Michael Hudson http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/11/michael-hudson-my-take-on-obamas-big-win.html#OGuC9pz8GoP05xcH.99: “Having appointed the Bowles-Simpson commission members who seek to shift the tax burden off business onto consumers, the President will pave the way for Bush-type privatization. In his first debate with Mitt Romney, Mr. Obama assured his audience that they were in agreement on the need to balance the budget (his euphemism for scaling back Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid). By christening this “the Great Bargain,” [correction: "Grand Bargain"] President Obama has refined Orwellian doublethink. It is as if George Orwell went to work on Madison Avenue.”
This particular betrayal (one of many) began early in Obama’s first term, as he acceded to Republican demands to extend the Bush Tax Cuts, which he justified as a form of stimulus. We progressives knew it was BS. He appointed Wall Street lobbyists (Rubin, Summers, Geithner, Bernanke, etc.) to continue their rigging of the system to allow 93% of the profits of the economy since 2008 to be skimmed while consumers/workers lost value from their homes, savings, and other assets. Plus, he prevented any prosecution of the major players that perpetrated fraud leading to the financial crash.
Let’s face it: Obama is a quisling, a turncoat, a political operative for the 1%, a Blue Dog Democrat (as are all but a small number of Dems in Congress).
The first thought I had when I saw “Will the Real Barack Obama Stand Up” was ‘Be careful what you wish for.’
And lacking in grandeur as well.
I believe Obama is a very conservative person–pretty much a neocon–who is posing as a centrist Democrat.
The view that Obama is a centrist has huge reality problems. After four years of Obama, the country is farther to the right than ever (the government, not the citizens). It’s pretty much neocon heaven. This would not likely be the case if Obama were a true centrist Democrat.
If you compare Obama with a real centrist, Bill Clinton, the stark contrasts become clear. In fact, the two Presidencies are a veritable litany of opposites:
Taxes for the rich went up under Clinton and down under Obama; income went up under Clinton, down under Obama; the size of government was reduced under Clinton, increased under Obama; the cost of government decreased under Clinton, exploded under Obama; the size of the military was reduced under Clinton and is burgeoning under Obama; the poverty rate plummeted under Clinton and is hemorrhaging under Obama; the number of illegal wars was zero under Clinton, beyond belief under Obama; human rights grew under Clinton and are under assault now; the Democratic Party grew under Clinton and is hemorrhaging membership under the Bammer; we were paying off the deficit under Clinton, not so much under Obama.
And so on. If Obama were a centrist Dem, his record would not contrast so starkly with that of an actual centrist.
The Black Agenda Report seems to agree with me on this. They say Obama has governed from a position to the right of Ronald Reagan, which would put him well into neocon territory.
I believe the correct term for Obama’s fiscal/regulatory policies is “neo-liberal”. His foreign policy vis-a-vis the Middle East has been a continuation of the neo-conservative policy of the Bush administration.
“For those who consistently support the President despite being well to the left of his record, there’s the widespread conviction that Obama is a closet progressive who has been consistently and tragically hemmed in by the Republicans, by public opinion, or by the reality of governing in Washington DC.”
Oh, so that’s why he decided to start assassinating his own citizens: because the Republicans made him do it. And he had his Treasury department people design a HAMP program that helped banks and hurt homeowners because that’s what public opinion demanded.
We need to stop making fun of Republicans for ignoring reality.
If you compare Obama with a real centrist, Bill Clinton, the stark contrasts become clear. In fact, the two Presidencies are a veritable litany of opposites
They have one major similarity: both men turned the Democratic Party into a top-down, Beltway-centric organization that gives the grassroots, the netroots, and the rank-and-file the cold shoulder.
Oh don’t worry Mary, Obama wants only $2.50 in cuts for working and poor people for every $1 in tax hikes for the rich, so we only have to do two and a half times as much sacrificing as the wealthy one percent. Isn’t that great?
I’ll disagree with you: I don’t think he really has any ideology, which makes him similar to the man he just defeated (but unlike him in that he’s more skillful at convincing Americans he has their best interests at heart). He just wants to be President.
He wants the perks of office, he gets to ride around in that incredibly cool airplane, people hang on his every word and deed. He wants to get through the next four years with a minimum of aggravation to himself and then have a cool time for the rest of his life being the former President. But in my opinion, trying to tease out his ideology is like looking for moral nuance in obsidian.
P.S.: If you think the Black Agenda Report was tough on him, Cornell West called him a Republican in blackface.
This is EXACTLY the point and can’t be stressed enough. This is what makes the vaunted “balanced approach” fucking immoral. The victims have to pay.
This guy is a fucking disaster.
you left one out;
there are those of us who believe he’s governed exactly the way he planned on governing, not so much as “saw fit to governm” but from an ideological point of view as a corportist with a corporate agenda, as a top down economist instead of bottom up
and I do know this is splitting hairs but “seen fit to governm” is not quite an indictment as “wanted to govern”
The “real” Obama stood up loud and clear with his actions during his first term. There was no need for inference to guess what his “real” intentions were. We voted for what we perceived as the lesser of two evils, but we voted for evil just the same. That’s just what we’ll get, and no amount of wishful thinking will change it.
Didn’t West later say he was voting for the evil of two lessors?
But I couldn’t agree more that Obama has/had no ambition other than to be the first AA prez. He has no soul/no center/no principles for which he will stand.
When his campaign team called I calmly told the lady I would not vote for a war criminal, mass murderer and the person who completed the destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that BushII started. She said she understood my views. I told her they weren’t ‘views’, they were the truth and that she was working for a murderer. She didn’t have much to say after that.
While Obama may offer a few crumbs to the liberals, he governed during his first term exactly as he wanted and nothing much will change.
My theory is that Obama has been mendacious from day 1 in that he knew that he was uniquely positioned to sell out Democratic voters to his FIRE sector backers. His whole strategy has essentially been pretty words for his voters, concrete actions for his funders with the occasional bone thrown to the base for appearance sake. And of course a complete embrace and expansion of the Bush security state policies so that he doesn’t look weak on the national security front.
Having said that, he does have one more election to get through. And you would think that he is smart enough to see the writing on the wall- if he concedes too much to the radical right, then Democrats will probably suffer large losses again in the mid terms. Not that I think he really cares much about the Democratic party, but I doubt that he wants to spend his last two years fighting impeachment or otherwise having to deal with tea-party nonsense. So I am hoping that Obama will realize that it is in his short-term political interests to not sell-out the new deal or otherwise behave like his previous center-right corporatist incarnation.
Not that I think he really cares much about the Democratic party…
Michele Bachmann (Crazy-MN) won only by 50.5% to 49.4% over her opponent. Would an Obama appearance in MN07 have changed that result? Who knows. We do not Obama didn’t care. Has he ever gone out of his way for a Dem candidate in any election? Maybe to run up a few chits to call in prior to 2008 but afterward? If he did, I never read or heard about it.
The Repugnantcans are pushing the line that since Obama won by a smaller margin of victory than he had in 2008, he has no mandate. However, Obama has more of a mandate than George W. Bush did in 2004.
Bush won the Electoral College 286-252 in 2004. Obama beat Romney 332-206.
Bush won the popular vote in 2004 by slightly over 3-million votes, or a 2.4% margin. Obama beat Romney by 3.2-million votes and a 2.6% margin.
Of course, it is only a Democratic victory if Obama acts more like a traditional Democrat instead of a Republican mole.
If T.S. Eliot shaped his personal philosophy, I’d point directly to Ash Wednesday and especially VI (the final section) http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/748/
((There are prominent, (and as I have seen it, artistically redemptive,) Buddhist references running through the imagery of “Ash Wednesday” and even more so in “The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock”.))
The Dems in the House and Senate may care about the party, but, again using history as a guide, when’s the last time they showed any backbone? They likely care more about the cushy jobs they’ll get as lobbyists or in the FIRE sector when they lose their next elections.
Matthew 7:16
Obama has been a steward of the empire, a tool of the rich, a destroyer of constitutional protections. The very fact that Mr. Woodhouse wonders about the Nobel Laureate’s ‘real’ intentions indicates that he and a fraction of the left are unimpressed by evidence.
Conservatism triumphs even when it loses elections:
or that I prefer analysis to rhetoric.
FWIW, I think Mr. Woodhouse means to lay a trap for Mr. Obama.
But I could be wrong.
I doubt that Obama and the political elite care a damn about Mr. Woodhouse’s traps, assuming that’s what he wanted to achieve.
Book Salon up with Seth Rosenfeld’s Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals, and Reagan’s Rise to Power hosted by Todd Gitlin
Well, you do have four years of evidence to analyze. You could easily tease out of that evidence an answer to your rhetorical question.
Those who prefer the real world should go read Glenn Greenwald and Ian Welsh. Then bend over.
This post belongs on KOS.
obama v.2012 is dead and gone. obama v.2010 will be what we have to deal with for the next 4 years and worse.
obamabots are completely delusional and fact-free. no one forced obama to be center-right republican lite. He could have massacred the republicans in 2009 when they were thoroughly defeated aned demoralized, banishing them to the political wilderness for at least a generation, but he chose to resurrect them on the alter of his bullsh*t bipartisanship.
This will be an ugly 4 years of retching disappointment for true progressives. For obamabots it will be more delusional fantasy of how ‘the poor guy just doesn’t have what he needs to be his true self’
November 9, http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/tavis-smiley-and-cornel-west-we-ended-up-with-a-republican-a-rockefeller-republican-in-blackface-with-barack-obama/
Asking if Obama will now be a faithful progressive is a losers game.
This isn’t Obama’s second chance. It’s his second term. He’s protected Oligarchs at every stage.
But, analyzing Obama is impossible without looking at Nancy Pelosi and who she’s enabled – Steven Israel, Stenny Hoyer, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Harry Fucking Reid- and who went under the bus?
It was she who should have gone after the torture regime, but she and Rangel made dirty deals with Bushco to replace the judge in the Abramoff case because they are all dirty. Her dad, Mayor Andressano, was in bed with the Mafia, crooked Labor, and the Irgun- he even has a park named after him in Israel, and she learned at his knee.
The whole edifice is rotten. Obama makes a nice target while the rest of the slime slides away.
Read up on neoliberalism; it’s an ideology. He subscribes to it.
You’re right, and that’s not my audience. I don’t imagine Obama administration staffers read Firedoglake. My concern is more with those stalwart Obama supporters who I happen to disagree with but who are nonetheless intelligent and thoughtful people. Writing them off as idiots or zombies instead of engaging them on the facts and publicly testing their assumptions against reality is politically counterproductive, in my opinion. You don’t organize dissent by telling people they’re stupid sheep with opinions not worth hearing.
Bush reacted to his less-than-overwhelming re-election in 2004 by proclaiming that he political capital that he was now going to spend.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
I didn’t comment on Reid/Pelosi and the other D’s in congress as the article was about O’s second term, but yes, at the national level the majority of the Dem party was next to worthless under Clinton/BushII and Obama. After being a registered Dem since I turned 21 I left the party, as did millions on others after O’s betrayal after his 2008 victory.
Both of my D senators (Colorado) are happy to sign on wiht O’s destruction of the of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, etc.
Both my D Gov and Mayor (Denver) set the goons loose on Occupy.
I’m now a Green and have voted pretty much third party since the mid 1990′s.
You’ll get no argument from me.
Or Door #3:
He’s just another corporate owned political hack masquerading as a Democrat.
If these Obama supporters are intelligent and thoughtful persons, why would they support Obama?
I don’t think the word rhetoric means what you think it means. Not only that, but we have four years and more of actions by Obama that can be used to deduce his general philosophy of governance. You’re the one who decided that this was a question of metaphysics rather than those actions!
I must say, however, that I admire the swift repudiation your article brought from all quarters!
This post is delusional.
I do not know if I would call this discussion of the article repudiation .
However, I feel that investigation of the psychological make-up and the motives of any candidate should be part of the vetting process. I believe that the October 9 PBS episode of Frontline entitled The Choice 2012 gives evidence that Obama has a pathological need to fit in with the rich white cabal with whom he plays golf all the while showing complete disregard for the well-being of the general public
Believe me, if you CLAIM TS Eliot as your chief formative influence. . . But let’s face it, we’re all powerfully influenced by those around us. If you were being handed those paranoid intelligence briefings every morning when you got out of bed. . . It’s a structural thing–idealists might not understand.
Like asking time for the real taliban to stand up. If we don’t know by know then some of us would hva be in denial and completelt oblivious.
Whatever faults obama has has president is a known quality. In his second term, it won’t be his fault, it will be the fault of those who elected him.
I think you’ve read Obama exactly right. He’s a sociopath, and the whole system is designed to promote such a man. There’s just no “there” there.
“Delusional” how — or are you just drive-by commenting?
My reading is that the point of the post — put very simply — is that there are three groups of folks:
–those who believe O did his best
–those who believe he sold us out
–those for whom it is still an open question
For the third group, the way he handles the next few months should determine whether he did his best or sold us out.
I am in the second group — as I guess most of the commenters are. No more evidence is needed.
But YMMV.
Actually that’s the fairest representation of the point of the post I’ve seen yet in these comments. Though I’m not even arguing that it’s an open question. My point is that those who belong to the first category need to stop making excuses if Obama concedes on the fiscal slope issue. If he does not cave, then he’ll have to repeat that pattern for a time to come for any kind of convincing case to be made that the second term is a departure from the first.
Not really sure why that’s such a controversial argument, nor why it’s evoking such hostility.
fixed it for you
Well, let me help you out with that. Anyone who still considers it an open question and that “he sold us out” is the right answer is either hopelessly immersed in the Obama cult of personality, willing to dismiss nearly four years of evidence that provides no support whatsoever for the “he did his best but he couldn’t really do what he wanted” position or has been living on another planet since 2008 (the FISA sell out).
Since Obama does not have to face voters anymore (and is dismissive of progressive voters who haven’t bought into him to begin with) he has no incentive whatsoever to change anything in his first-term approach. He has made it clear, even prior to taking office in 2009, that he considers the Grand Bargain to be his Holy Grail – there’s no reason at all to doubt that he will pursue that at all costs in his second term (perhaps even before it begins).
You seem to presume that I believe it’s an open question. I don’t. But I acknowledge that there are people who think differently than I do.
Being attacked on this issue is a new experience. I usually find myself arguing with Obama supporters the point that everyone here seems to agree with, which is that the president is exactly what his record suggests, which is a neoliberal. Now I’m finding myself regarded by this community as an Obama apologist, for essentially acknowledging that his supporters have a different view of reality.
I don’t know, because it’s possible to be intelligent and have a different opinion than yours?
Repudiation of what, exactly? I didn’t argue that Obama is a progressive at heart. I argued that *there are those who believe that he is, and that if he caves on this issue they need to be disabused of that impression once and for all.*
I agree completely.
But some Progressives are saying we have to push Obama to the left. How exactly would we be able to do that? Shame him? Make him remorseful for past errors?
As many bloggers and commentators have noted already he does not care what Liberals and Progressives think. In fact, he holds them in contempt.
the notion that the jury is out
For me, the evidence of Obama’s failure (if not almost treasonous behavior) is overwhelming. But I know that I have alienated many people when I show amazement at their inability to see the facts.
I am therefore trying to tone it down and hope that the facts will stand for themselves in the next few months
Clearly then, Leighton, this post is less about Barack Obama, whom you regard, apparently, as do most of the commenters, here, as having rather fully revealed himself, already, than about those who continue to “believe” that he will become what they hope that he is ….
Consider, were Obama to have the “option” of a third term that, right now, those who believe the “first” perspective would happily vote for him again, and very actively berate any who would not …
Or, do you imagine that some or many of the “first believers” might come to be swayed by actual (further, as in four more years) evidence?
Will it not just as likely be the case that the “first believers” will continue to believe as they have done, so far, having invested so very much of themselves in that belief?
“Belief” is, by its “nature”, little influenced by facts, by hard evidence, or by what is commonly referred to as truth. “Belief” does not require close or careful analysis, in fact belief claims to be superior to analysis, for it is about “conviction” and not “consideration”.
True “believers” are quite impatient with doubters and those who dare question their “belief” and the evidence of that is that “debate” WITH believers is not really possible.for For believers, the issues or questions that other raise are rarely honestly examined examined, it being easier to damn the doubters and questioners to attack them personally, and quite nastily, rather than hearing the issues which are, in essence, “blasphemy”, and only raised by “stupid”, “ignorant”, or “frightened, timid fools” or “effin’ retards”.
One hopes that you have met a better “class” of “first believers”, however false argument, ad hominen attack, false equivalency, “appeals to fear”, and other such rhetorical deceits tend to dominate among the “tactics” of those “first believers” whom I have encountered of late … indeed, assaultive, combative, and dismissive behaviors seem to be the major “methods” made use of, quite similar to those made employed by the Republicans, whom the “first believers” loathe as “stupid”, “ignorant” “morons” …
I do not doubt that many of the “first believers” ARE intelligent and even reasonable souls …EXCEPT when it comes to Barack Obama and the Democrats.
So then, the next hundred days will reveal as much about the “first believers” as about Obama, as will the next four years.
The Age of Revelation is upon us …
It calls for patience and such understanding and encouragement as we may muster … for others and with ourselves.
One hopes that your evident hopes, Leighton, will be realized, for a common understanding must be the premise of such change as we, as a species, need to bring about. Tee world awaits … and the planet’s capacity to support human life hangs in the balance.
Thank you for this post and for the heartfelt place whence it comes.
DW
My opinion of Obama’s politics has no bearing on the truth content of the beliefs of the Obama supporters. The overwhelming evidence generated by his first term undermines any claim that Obama would make a good president henceforth.
If you still are unclear about the criticism directed your way, you may look at the fact that you appear as credulous with respect to the Obama supporters as the Obama supporters are with respect to Obama.
Putting tens of millions in the streets of the country would help push Obama to the left, especially if the mass protests become a regular event.
To be sure, the Nobel Laureate who reads Aquinas could convince himself to declare a state of emergency and martial law to combat such domestic terror….. He could, in other words, move further to the right.
It’s another one of Obama’s bullsh*t obfuscation straw man arguments. No one expected students and the elderly to pay down the entire debt.
I started to tune this fluff out when the author used that phake phoney ass right wing word “centrist” to describe 0bummer’s incessant right wing ass kissing.
this is a dkos diary.
rmm.
we can ruin his disgraceful lies by electing more Alan Graysons AND by completely ignoring his f’king rich pig toady sell outs. 0bummer lost 8 million votes when he didn’t lose on tues to the right wing hack who did lose – we can make this the beginning of the REAL end of 0bummer & clinton’s f’king rich pig sell outs.
rmm.
Angels on the head of a pin. What counts not is Mr. Obamas immortal soul, or even his intellectual predilections. What counts is his performance. And that is shabby.
I post this over on another thread, but I think it fits here too:
President Bipartisanship is already at it again:
I spent the whole day yesterday arguing fiscal cliff issues with conservatives, specifically, whether new revenues should be raised through higher tax rates–expiration of the upper-income Bush tax cuts–or by lowering rates and broadening the base. Here’s my field report (btw, my wife suggested raising the top rates and broadening the base–first time I’ve heard that one):
–It is big–HUGE–for conservatives that the President has not mentioned higher rates since Tuesday, including in his comments yesterday. His spokesperson did say that he’d veto a bill that fully extended all the cuts, but the White House has been careful not to come down on one side or the other of the rates/base question. His opposition is quite emboldened by this.
Once again, Obama fails the test that lost my vote for him in 2012–the simple act of *doing NOTHING* and letting the
BushObama tax cuts expire. I mean, if he had an ounce of progressivity in him, how hard would it be to do nothing??This sounds like the public option again. You know, that thing he was *for* until he was against. The first thing he did to transition things was to stop advocating for it.
-stewartm
I like your passion
rates/schmates, it’s all the same to these 1 percenters. What’s the big deal dude. Get on the team. Compromise is not a dirty word, remember.
No, you’re right. Barry gave away the store already. By signaling, or not signaling that rates are the issue, he has already defaulted to a crappy negotiating outcome. Hmmm, maybe that’s what he’s wanted all along. In any case it doesn’t matter, except to the little people.
Obama self-defined himself as a “New Democrat” on or about March 9, 2009 when he met with the New Democrat Coalition in DC.
I must say, it’s a pleasure to see comments like these after the post-election pushback by the Obamists, who were all “let’s come together now” while scornfully calling the non-believers “purity trolls” and the like.
Here we have a piece that depicts two schools of thought on Obama (the “closet progressive” and the apparent right-winger) and nobody is even making the argument that Obama is a good guy who will prove the doubters wrong now, blahblahblah. It’s good to see that honest analysis was not a casualty of “good manners” and all the things that were being urged on Thursday and thereabouts.
JMO.
(And yes, Obama’s politics don’t put him at the “center” of anything more progressive than the Bush family.)
Ouch!
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! Tell him what he’s won, Johnny!
True dat, but hard for the average bot to process.
Also, studies are now emerging that show if you put a mirror in front of any of them, they’ll attack it, believing the image to be a rival.
“But some Progressives are saying we have to push Obama to the left. How exactly would we be able to do that? Shame him? Make him remorseful for past errors?”
I think we have no choice but to resort to Sarcasm. And also Irony. Barbaric yes, but mark my words, that’ll bring the bugger back to Jesus.
Thanks for that refreshing break of sanity. There is not a shred of difference between these phony parties; if you still honestly believe there is after all the betrayals, and that Obama is something more than a Wall Street/Trilater/CFR/Bilderberger puppet, you simply aren’t paying attention.
I doubt Obama will care if we employ sarcasm. In my mind, he’s pretty much a lost cause. He’s gonna do what he’s gonna do.
At this point the best people can hope for is to convince those that will be up for re election that there will be consequences. A list of who is running needs to be compiled. Pressure should be applied to from that angle. And the left needs to get ready to start fielding (and funding a primary challenger for every single Democrat willing to help dismantle the safety net. Furthermore, they should also look at third party options should the party choose to stack the deck with corporate tools. This voting Democrat for the sake of the Democratic Party but to the detriment of the electorate needs to end.)
I think a lot of people might feel frustrated from a long, grueling election that made some of us feel marginalized. I also feel that it is easy to take it out on the author, who has written a thoughtful piece about how this fiscal cliff situation might be, for some, the straw of evidence that breaks the camel’s back of denial. Oh my god that was terrible, forgive me. Anyway, I liked the article. I don’t think it belongs on the kos at all. In fact, I had a very similar conversation with my dad about this, and in a month, after Obama gives away the farm, maybe he’ll stop calling me cynical. But I doubt it. So maybe I am cynical. LOL
Is there such a thing as a metaphor dump ??
Thank you for that.