
Scene right after Tel Aviv bus explosion (Flickr Photo by The Israel Project)
UPDATE – 12:20 PM EST Reports of ceasefire now – here, here, here and here.
UPDATE – 11:45 PM EST Sky News reports Israeli intelligence thinks the Tel Aviv bus bombing was result of a “lone operator” with no ties to any major Palestinian groups.
Original Post
A bus explosion occurred in Tel Aviv, Israel, wounding at least twenty-seven people. None were reported killed, although one was seriously injured. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a Palestinian nationalist militia in the West Bank that is considered a terrorist organization to Israel and the United States, claimed responsibility.
The explosion was immediately characterized and condemned as a “terrorist attack.” Israel’s Police Chief Yohanan Danino reacted, “As far as we are concerned, this is a terror attack. All of the signs point to this being a terrorist bombing.” Ofir Gendelman, spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said, “A bomb exploded on a bus in central Tel Aviv. This was a terrorist attack. Most of the injured suffered only mild injuries.”
Jay Carney, spokesperson for the Obama administration, said, “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those injured, and with the people of Israel…These attacks against innocent Israeli civilians are outrageous.” He added, “The United States will stand with our Israeli allies, and provide whatever assistance is necessary to identify and bring to justice the perpetrators of this attack. The United States reaffirms our unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security and our deep friendship and solidarity with the Israeli people.”
The attack targeted a bus used by civilians. That would make the attack a war crime and condemnable. However, as war rages between Hamas’ military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, and the Israeli Defense Forces, the military wing of the Israeli government, isn’t this an attack not so different from the shelling of civilian infrastructure and buildings, which Israel has routinely engaged in over the past days?
Spokesman for Hamas, Fawzi Barhoum told Al Jazeera, ”This is a natural result for the Israeli aggression on our people. If the Israel continues its aggression then all options are open.” Another Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters, “Hamas blesses the attack in Tel Aviv and sees it as a natural response to the Israeli massacres…in Gaza.” He added, “Palestinian factions will resort to all means in order to protect our Palestinian civilians in the absence of a world effort to stop the Israeli aggression.”
Denouncing the bus explosion as a terrorist attack does nothing to bring an end to the latest cycle of violence. It does, however, give Israel and the United States the ability to, once again, reset the clock and retool messaging for why bombarding Gaza is justified.
Throughout the past eight days of air and navy strikes from Israel and projectile attacks from Hamas and Palestinian militants, Israel and the United States have told the world that what precipitated the conflict was Hamas rocket attacks. The two countries have ignored how Israeli forces shot and killed a twenty-three year-old Palestinian, who was mentally ill, as he approached the border fence because he was not responding to them on November 5. They’ve ignored how a thirteen year-old Palestinian boy was shot in the head by Israeli forces in a military helicopter while he was playing football with friends—a killing that reportedly took place as forces were exchanging fire with Palestinian militants on the border of Gaza. (Israeli Military Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich told CNN there was “no information that the IDF targeted a person” and would not take responsibility for the death.)
On November 13, Reuters reported that Israel and the Palestinians had “stepped back from the brink of a new war in the Gaza Strip.” A “tacit truce” had been established. Ismail Haniyeh, the prime minister of Gaza’s Hamas government, “praised the main armed factions in the enclave for agreeing on Monday night to a truce” and said, “They showed a high sense of responsibility by saying they would respect calm should the Israeli occupation also abide by it.” The next day Hamas military chief, Ahmed Jabari, who had actually been negotiating a longer term ceasefire with Egyptian intermediaries, was assassinated by Israel.
Israel and the United States have not acknowledged that any of these events could have inspired Hamas and Palestinian militants to retaliate. To the two countries, there is no continuum. The bus explosion is another act in an array of many violent acts committed by militants because militants simply want violence with Israel. All other acts, especially ones by Israel, bear little responsibility for the course of conflict.
Now, most of the news reports will suggest it is Hamas or Palestinian militants that have jeopardized truce talks now by exploding a bus. Yitzhak Aharonovich, Israel’s minister of internal security, said, “What does it say about the future of the (truce) talks? I leave it to (the senior officials), but this doesn’t add anything.” But, what about Israel? Do the deaths of children and women each day not jeopardize truce talks? Does the decimation of police stations, government buildings and other civilian sites not contribute to the escalated violence and complicate negotiations over a truce?
There is also a deeper context. Both Israel and the United States recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization. Israel and the US have refused to accept Hamas’ political wing won democratically elected elections in 2006 (even going so far as to foment a military coup against Hamas in 2007).
Additionally, 136 Palestinians have been killed. Ninety-one of them have been civilians. Nine hundred and forty-one have been wounded. Nine hundred and twenty-two of them have been civilians. Three Israelis have been killed by rocket fire. Hundreds of Israelis have suffered light wounds from projectiles fired, however, many have been protected by an Iron Dome defense system that has intercepted a significant percentage of projectiles launched by Palestinian militants. Israel’s shelling has obliterated homes and targeted civilian infrastructure that it claims (perhaps, illegitimately) is being used by Hamas while militants in Gaza have been able to do very little to inflict damage on Israel’s military forces.
Add this all together. Gaza residents are suffering disproportionate attacks. Their elected leaders have a military wing that will respond, but their military is regarded as a terrorist organization. That effectively transforms all people fighting back against Israeli attacks into “terrorists” or “terror operatives.”
Catherine Charratt, a PhD candidate in international politics at the UK’s Aberystwyth University, recently wrote:
According to the Geneva Conventions, a people under occupation have the legal right to resist their occupation; Article 1 (4) of Protocol 1 stresses that force may be used to pursue the right of self-determination.
(However,) according to Western news media, all resistance fighters in Palestine are illegitimate militants, while Israel — as a Western-favored state — is allowed to target and assassinate Hamas government and military officials… So, Palestinian military and political leaders can be legitimately targeted but they are not allowed to legitimately retaliate.
This also makes it much harder for there to be peace negotiations because Israel—with the support of the United States—will not recognize the popular will of the Palestinians and accept Hamas leaders are legitimate governors. When Egypt tries to broker a truce that is evenhanded or attempts to recognize how an Israeli naval blockade in violation of international humanitarian law and targeted assassinations in violation of humanitarian law are fueling conflict, it is denounced for wanting “Hamas gains.”
Former IDF Maj. Gen. (ret.) Giora Eiland told Haaretz on November 18 that Israel should recognize Gaza as a “state under Hamas’ rule.”
“This is a country ruled by an elected government and I expect that this government will act in a responsible manner, like a state would,” Eiland said. He added, “It’s not enough to say ‘Hamas will surrender. We need to give something, if not to Hamas, then to others. It’s impossible to reach a point where one side will surrender. Sometimes we become captive to slogans like ‘We won’t talk with Hamas.’ I say the opposite. It’s a fact that Hamas rules Gaza and that Gaza is a state. We need to recognize this and utilize the advantages this situation presents.”
If the Tel Aviv bus explosion is considered a terrorist attack, then Israel bears no responsibility for the current climate of warfare inspiring such acts. If leaders, however, can see it as a war crime that was a pure act of retaliation on the part of a militant faction—an attempt to strike a blow in response to many, many blows and war crimes which Israel has committed in Gaza these past days, then Israel cannot be excused for the escalating violence. There is no justification for going ahead with a ground invasion. There is no reason for Israel to be obstinate as Egypt and Hamas try to broker a cooling off period that can give parties space to develop a long-term ceasefire agreement. Yet, if Israel wants this war, it will take full advantage of the Tel Aviv bus explosion and exploit it to beat back global anger and anxiety around civilian deaths and try to buy more time for its forces to kill people in Gaza.



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Making “war” on the relatively defenceless Gazans is easy. Define any resistance to them being killed as “terrorism” and any thing the israeli idf does as legitimately “defending” the israeli citizens. Then all can be killed in clear conscience.
Ceasefire was supposed to have begun at 9:00 pm local (Levant) time, however:
War or no war, anything the Palestinians do is terrorism, and anything the Israelis do is defense…not unlike our defense department. Well, that’s what I’ve learned from history books anyway. Just like the civilians: Israelis are “innocent victims”, Palestinians are….well, we all know none of them are innocent, by definition. (sarcasm of course)
I remember when I first start getting disillusioned by the whole “Israel is always innocent”: a photojournalist was blown away by an Israeli soldier who said “I thought he had a gun” but it was a telephoto-lensed camera….and then Rachel Corey.
Speaking of Rachel Corey, the following quote was in a new FDL diary
“The driver would not stop and almost drug a supporter underneath the cherry picker.”
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/11/19/keystone-xl-pipeline-protesters-pepper-sprayed-by-cherokee-county-sheriffs/
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Hey Kevin, thank you for writing about I/P issues and thanks to the mothership for allowing discussion of I/P issues. It’s nice to have a place to come for a deeper, more balanced discussion. I bet the mods are working overtime weeding out obnoxious comments.
Some tweets saying snap polls say 70% of Israelis are against a ceasefire. That says a lot about what’s really happening in the ME.
If Gaza was so defenseless then why did they start this round of fighting by sending rockets into israel first. You shouldnt pick a fight with a bigger person and expect not to get hit back harder.
By definition, in any given war only one side can be said to be in the act of defending themselves. They cant both be defending themselves, one has to be the aggressor or the offensive side. If Gaza keeps sending rockets into israel no one should be suprised if rockets get sent back into Gaza.
The other day a palestinian journalist lost a son to the bombings of Israel. He asked, “what did my son do to deserve this?” The son did nothing to derserve to die, a death sentence only for fact that he was born in Gaza. If his father didnt want his son to die, his father could have done something about it. All the fathers in Gaza and Israel, if they dont want their sons to die, should work for peace and not revenge for the last bit of bombing whenever the last bit of bombing occured, either now or in the future.
ok, im done, happy thanksgiving firepups, and safe travels.
I moderate my comments. They aren’t touching anyone’s comments.
Hamas seems to want to start trouble and blame Israel for the consequences. It got old a long time ago.
Except both sides are not equally at fault for the situation. One side has more military power and political strength than the other and is capable of inflicting more pain, suffering and terror. I agree with your sentiment. Militarily, Hamas and Israel have to stop if there is to be an end to death. However, the status quo fosters violent radicalization in the Palestinian territories. Israel knows this otherwise it would not have built an Iron Dome defense system with the help of US defense aid.
Israel seems to want to have carte blanche to carry out policies of apartheid against the Palestinian people. It got old a long time ago.
Gaza could have it’s freedom if they stopped firing rockets. Palestinians have twice been offered their own state and turned it down, despite being given 75% of Palestine to begin with. Claims of ‘Apartheid’ are also quite old and absurd.
A lot of conflicting info on whether this cease fire is genuine:
Oooof. Double thanks, then.
AP Nov 21, 2012 5:33 AM ET | Last Updated: Nov 21, 2012 7:54 AM ET
Hamas praised the bus bombing of civilians in Israel
Celebratory gunfire rang out in Gaza City when local radio stations reported news of the Tel Aviv explosion. Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri praised the bombing, but stopped short of claiming responsibility
very true
Its false. The streets of Gaza are full of celebrations.
CNN is showing celebrations in the Gaza street, so it appears the truce is holding — for now.
What freedom, though? Israel has a lot more power in negotiating things like water and land rights through its military power and priviledged relationship with the US.
I certainly don’t claim to know everything about how the borders have been drawn or changed, but I do understand that Israel is getting a much better deal in the division of of territories.
Further, IMO, it is time to reconsider the “right to exist”. There is an equal right for Palestine to exist on the land as there is for Israel to exist. Considering the asymetric use of war crimes by the Israelis (no, Palestine has not equalled Israel in war crimes), perhaps any “right” of Israel to exist should be limited.
…and 70% of Israelis don’t want a ceasefire.
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tortured and apoplectic justifications for baby killing do nothing to change the fact that – we own gaza
theCCC says : end theocratic warfare in our lifetime
It does appear that whatever Hamas does is terrorism and whatever Israel does is simply defensive. So who started this latest round of killing? It could be an endless regression as each will blame the other for an offense. Trouble is Hamas does not have a really good media expert on staff. Plus in the U.S. there is not a Muslim lobby, definitely not. So we are all conditioned to think them rats done it. Then we have Iran who likes to play in this sand box. The whole thing sucks.
Not sure if that is correct but they know from experience that the terror group Hamas rarely sticks to its word but we shall see. For most people, it is hard to trust groups like Al Queda, the Taliban or Hamas.
So, this entire book by Jimmy Carter is absurd?
This is true. And Ariel Sharon’s son called for the flattening of Gaza. We can have this pissing match if you want over which side is the worst or you can recognize Palestinians elected Hamas to lead them and Hamas is not going anywhere, especially as Israel engages in action that ends up marginalizing leaders like Mahmoud Abbas.
And Hamas and Israel can’t talk to each other. Hamas is joined at the hip with Iran wanting Israel to just go away. Funny, Israel won’t go. The whole thing sucks. Sorry said that.
Netanyahu: “I know there are citizens expecting more severe military action & perhaps we shall need to do so.”
happiness friend -
who started this round is less important now than who pays for it .. & that is us.
demand that our leaders discontinue supporting theocratic thugs & funding theocratic aggression > its that easy
I’m willing to bet most Palestinians don’t trust Israel either. Obama has been caught on mic saying he doesn’t trust anything Bibi says…
He is a bully and behaves like one.
Exhibit A
but my comment was the Hamas celebrates injury and death of civilians which is disturbing. They handed out candy and danced in the streets after 3000 Americans were killed on 911 and they encourage and celebrate the death of Israeli civilians by the suicide bombers they send. They have rarely attacked an Israeli military target. It is always a coffee shop, a bus, a pizza parlour, a nightclub etc. It is very planned and deliberate murder of civilians.
Israel does not celebrate death and dance in the streets when civilians on the other side may unfortunately be killed in an attack on a military target. They express regret and do their best to avoid it. Unlike Hamas, Israel does not intentionally target civilians. If they did, or if they wanted to, they could flatten Gaza in a few hours – and do what Great Britian did do Dresden or the United States to Hiroshima, or the carpet bombing the US did in various countries around the world.
but Ariel Sharon’s son is not a spokesman for Israel.
That ass, along with his lobby here and his buddies in congress could easily drag us into a war with Iran. I still think this is a run up to that war. Waiting to see what Hezbollah does. So far nothing. That may give Israel pause since they have forty thousand rockets.
The Germans elected Hitler, that didnt make it right.
Israel’s blockade functionally limits the average caloric intake of the civilian population of Gaza to just above starving by design and for the purpose of controlling the population.
If Israel flattened Gaza it would be counterproductive to the survival of the state of Israel, otherwise it likely would have been done. Mutually assured destruction.
Izzie’s IDF is a laughingstock. Can’t even win a war against defenseless pop confined to an outdoor prison. It’s inability to win in Gaza is more humiliating than it’s outright defeat in Lebanon.
As to the celebration of death of civilians by terror operations, of course you have a strong point. Celebrating death like that is vile. My point is that the 70% number is kinda the same thing, just more subdued.
BTW, I recall a crowd in front of the White House that celebrated the death of Bin Laden. That celebration was equally dispicable. Can we all agree that war and killing is something sane people would like to end? There is common ground in the desire for an end to the killing.
Don’t you think Israel could defeat Hamas if they wanted to kill more people? What would it serve to have thousands dead at their hands? They might even lose Johnny Boy and Lindsey the Tough, if they got too ugly about it. But they may also have an eye on Lebannon. But I don’t really know, I guess.
Not into hypotheticals. Just observing what actually happened.
Do you have a link about that Qatar connection to the assassination that started this round of I/P war?
Maybe they are but I was not talking about that. I was commenting on why some in Israel may be skeptical of the ceasefire. After pulling completely out Gaza unilaterally and after that having Gaza turned into a rocket launching pad against Israel where thousands upon thousands of rockets are fired into Israeli towns by a radical islamic jihadist taliban like group that denies the right of Israel to exist and vows to destory it. This is a group that denies rights to women and gays, executes citizens without trial, calls Bin Laden a great martyr, and promotes suicide bombing. Anyone who has them as a neighbor would have to be somewhat concerned.
I’ve seen Palestinian fathers holding up their dead infants in agony, on the t.v. These experiences warp people. I don’t blame them. It’s Israel’s fault.
I’ve lost it. I think it was on presstv but I can’t find it again.
The instant Hamas was declared the victor, Israel declared they would never recognize Hamas, one of the few things Israel has “honored”.
Iran never said they wanted Israel to “go away”. The speaker, Ahmadinejad, said that he wished Israel had never been formed – per my dentist who is persian, the son of an air force general under the Shah.
Also, some seem to conveniently start the latest timeline with the “unexplained” start of rockets to Israel, ignoring entirely the several day prior Israeli assassination of the Hamas general who was negotiating for a solution.
I find the “bus bombing” very interesting, with the damage more characteristic of a concussion grenade, not exactly the weapon of choice for a “terrorist” though it would be perfect for the IDF (injuries and no deaths).
I mistyped Jabari’s name. Here’s some articles on the subject.
of course everything is Israel’s fault, always …on this website.
The assassination of the bomb maker can after came after days, weeks of increased rocket attacks from Hamas into cities and towns of Israel.
Yes of course Israel bombed their own bus.
My god your hatred of Israel is extreme and disturbing.
Ok, but the Interior Minister is and he called for Israel to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.
Hamas was at fault for the latest escalation. Not just Israel says it but USA and EU say it.
As far as military might. The Allies had more military might than Nazi Germany but they didnt start WW2. The fact that Israel has more military power is not related to how this started and Israel only used a fraction of the military power at its disposal. Hamas has terrorized Israel for years with suicide bombings and has kept over a million Israelis running to and from bomb shelters for years.
You have mixed up cause and effect. The Iron Dome defense system was built to stop Hamas and Hezbollah rockets. It is part of their belief that it is acceptable to kill Jews and they dont accept a state of Israel no matter what its borders – 1948, 1967. They want the eradication of Israel period. They wont accept Israel, they won’t renounce violence, and they won’t accept prior agreements between Israel and the Palestinians.
I am not defending what he said but one thing he did not do – which Hamas does as a matter of policy – is celebrate and praise the death of civilians. This minister has also been criticised by many in Israel but no one in Gaza critizes the outrageous comments of Hamas.
Thanks Kevin and FDL in the below link Chris talks about no coveage in the so called progressive blogsphere I add you in the comments that there is one that is progressive and saying something other that the company line. He did allow it to be posted.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2298-blogging-and-nothingness-progressives-turn-their-gaze-from-gaza.html
Actually you have it backwards. It is Hamas that says they will never recognize Israel and whose reason d’etre in the destruction of Israel through violence.
That is why the entire western world has categorized them as a terrorist organization.
Your dentist is wrong. Ahmadinijad has said numerous times Israel should be eliminated. Are you now a defender of Ahmadinejad ? I am sure your dentist left Iran to get away from the Ahmadinejads of the world and the radical Jihadist Ayatollahs who have turned Iran into the pariah of the world.
The IDF lost you say? Really?
I didn’t say that. Reread my comment at 37.
Of course we can agree that war and killing should stop but your 2 examples do not make sense.
a) Your logic is flawed. The 70% are skeptical about a cease fire working. They are not celebrating the death of civilians.
b) The people outside the white house after Bin Laden’s killing were not celebrating the death of civilians. They were celebrating the death of Bin Laden which I dont think too many people consider an innocent civilian riding on a bus. I am not sure how you can say people celebrating the death of a terror leader responsible for killing 3000 plus innocent people in New York and Washington and elsewhere is equal to Hamas celebrating the death of innocent civilians on a bus. Your equating these 2 events is bizarre
You said the IDF s inability to win in Gaza @ 37. I suggested you must be kidding in @39, if they really wanted to go all out. I don’t,think Hamas has won anything here. Do you really think they did?
Is my memory faulty here? I recall someone in Iran saying Israel should be wiped from the earth. I’m sure they didn’t,mean that and Israel is just paranoid right?
Yes it is.
I recall someone in Israel saying something like that. But this is a war. Some folks tend to lose a little perspective. I bet there are equivalents on the other side. It doesn’t advance the argument to get into this sort,of hyperbole.
So now CNN is saying the Israel claims five rockets were fired into Israel after,the cease fire.
LINK (my bold)
Back in the day when I played games, there were 3 outcomes: win, lose & draw. If Big Sis was called in to stop the game, it was judged a draw.
Israel’s idea of PR.
Yes, except they’re afraid to point the finger at Israel’s Jewish benefactors, which is a good illustration of how comprehensive Jewish control is over the parameters of any acceptable discussion.
And we both know,the outcome if someone did not intervene. Someone would see many more casualties than the other.
This is exactly right. Since I have been watching this conflict — just call it 45 years — the media (especially US) has always referred to Palestinian “attacks” and Israeli “retaliation”. With the Israelis, every aggression, no matter how disproportionate, they commit is and act of “defense”.
We need to stop kidding ourselves. This situation could have been improved if the US hadn’t/hasn’t been unequivocally enabling, or cowered, take your choice, by Israel and the AIPAC politics of extortion, bigotry, and illegal influence. On this issue, virtually every US politician should raise their hand as coward, enabler and, indeed, traitor to American interests.
“Eliminated from the pages of history” doesn’t sound too friendly either. In any case he seems to have convinced the Israelis and the president and most of the public. Maybe they should go on a tour explaining it is all just a big misunderstanding. Good luck.
“normalguy”, the misnamed one man hasbara band.
My family, mostly dead in the Holocaust, and my Jewish friends, attest that you and your ilk are no friend of Israel, no friend of Judaism.
To much blood money but would work for me.
traitors to American interests.
Hasbara troll if some one (like me) did not understand the reference.
One should add, since it come predictably if one pushes the troll hard enough, and is of Jewish heritage, the epithet “self hating Jew” is slung with supposed sting.
Air assault cost Israel something like $250 million/week. If invasion had occurred = $1 billion. presstv.
There was a man with two sons. He said to them, “Go work in my fields.”
The older son said, “Of course, Father. That is my duty. I will do so immediately.”
The younger son said, “Father, I don’t want to work in your fields, I want my own life and I have other things to do. I will not work for you today.”
However, the older son, despite his statement to his father, did not go work in the fields but went to visit his friends. The younger son, even though he refused to obey his father, changed his mind and went and worked in the fields all day.
Which son obeyed their father?
It’s not what we say; it’s what we do that counts. Israel may talk and talk about not wanting to hurt civilians. The facts are that Israel kills and wounds far more civilians than any Palestinian fighters. In this latest round of fighting the facts are:
Israel has killed: 91 civilians
Palestinians have killed: 3 civilians
In Operation Cast Lead 4 years ago:
Israel killed: 926 civilians
Palestinians killed: 3 civilians
I’m not saying Palestinians are the younger son, but I am saying that Israel here is like the older son. I don’t care what they say about not targeting civilians or that they don’t want to hurt civilians. I care that they do kill civilians. They killed an American civilian by bulldozing over her when she was peacefully protesting Israeli destruction of Palestinian homes.
I was going to type earlier that some people are really good at memorizing talking points. Didn’t know that it had been formalized & had a name.
According to the times of Israel,
Reasons for not supporting a ceasefire are not included in the snap poll so lack of trust in the ceasefire as a reason for not supporting it is speculation, not fact.
Secondly, celebrating the killing of a human being, civilian or otherwise, is despicable. One need not place a value on the deceased to understand the moral outrage of celebrating death. BTW, I count John McCain’s singing bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran on just about the same level, and Iran is full of civilians.
You are right it doesnt say why 70% dont support it but if you have a brain in your head you can make a pretty good guess. Hamas has broken so many previous cease fires and has rained down 10,000 rockets on Israel in the past 10 years. They also took control of Gaza from the PA in a bloody coup and the entire western world views them as terrorist organization. In short, yhey dont have a great track record so the Israeli public is skeptical but they are giving it a chance nonetheless. Time will tell I suppose.
Unfortunately much of the blame goes to Hamas who hides behind civilians and operates and fires rockets out of civilian areas – thats a war crime. It is very difficult for democracies to battle terror groups like Hamas who hide in civilain populations and use civilians as human shields. I believe Israel does more than any other army to limit civilian casualties in such difficult circumstances but they also have a right to protect their own people from thousands upon thousands of rockets that result in a 1/3 of the population running into bomb shelters every day.
No matter the terrible things that happened to your family, and I am truly sorry for that, I still must say you are certainly no friend of Israel and no friend Judaism. Israel and Judaism has ‘friends’ like you – they are called Hamas or Hezbollah.
OMG
Yes of course Jews control everything…the protocols and all..yes yes thos evil Jews are acting together as one..yes yes. Dont drink the water tonight..I think the Jews poisoned the well…yes yes.
Wow what a site this is – full of beautiful friendly people
Oh cmon now you are justifying the holocaust denying leader of Iran.
I think every sane person knows the intent of Mr. Ahmadinejad. He has called Israel a ‘tumor’ and said they should be wiped away – more than once.
He has said a lot of crazy stuff not just about Israel…such as his comment about there being no gays in Iran.
The guy is a loon.
“Wow what a site this is – full of beautiful friendly people.”
You can be assured we feel the same about you.
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
by ‘we’ – I suppose you mean all of you cal222 types – the ‘jews control the world’ people.
You suppose whatever you like.
Yes I sure will – it’s quite clear.
Your heroes practicing terrorism…but we can’t call it that, can we:
http://news.yahoo.com/1-killed-9-wounded-israeli-gunfire-near-gaza-101350532.html
You are so predictable. You are mischaracterizing the event as ‘terrorism’ which is wasnt but that is your modus operandi when it comes to Israel.
There was a breach of the ‘no-go’ zone by Palestinians at the border – warnings were given to back away, then warning shots were first fired but they didnt stop. Giving their suicide bombing tendencies, this is what results when you approach a known ‘no go’ zone at a border in what is easly decribed as a war zone. It is not exactly like the border between Canada and the United States. Many times before Israel soldiers have been killed or blown up by suicide bombers in such situations at the border.
You indeed call everything Israel does as terrorism but of course you call nothing Hamas does as terrorism . All they do is deliberatly try to kill civilians in suicide bombings of buses, coffeee shops, night clubs, and firing missiles intentionally and solely at civilians with no military targets in site. Then they go and celebrate and hand out candy when they kill civilians. This is while they are denying rights to women and killing gays, and executing citizens without trial..but a civil libertarian like you wont criticise all that because it doesnt involve Jews or Israel.
The United States, Canada, the EU and the entire western world for years has declared Hamas a terror organization due to their actions and policies, not Israel.
“You are so predictable.”
hahhahaaaa, kettle/black….or do you prefer “rubber/glue”?