UPDATE – 11:00 PM EST Report on CWO2 Denise Barnes’ decision to take Manning’s underwear from him every night after March 2, 2011 until he left Quantico and was transferred to Leavenworth on April 20 – here.
UPDATE – 7:05 PM EST Adjourned for day. Proceedings resume Monday. The defense did not finish questioning CWO2 Barnes so she will be back on the stand on Monday morning.
UPDATE – 6:05 PM EST Testimony is growing increasingly illogical as defense enters sixth hour of cross-examination of CWO2 Barnes.
Coombs pointed out provision under 5B, “May direct removal of prisoner’s clothing when deemed necessary.” She cited this as authority for removing Manning’s underwear. There’s Section A, C and D. All are under “Suicide Risk.” These are “Suicide Risk” provisions. “B” deals with Suicide Risk.
She said there was language in other provision that gave her authority to take the underwear. But, then why was she citing this in her statements to officers on taking his underwear? She knew this was problematic.
UPDATE – 4:25 PM EST There was email to Col. Oltman on February 23, 2011, where she expressed concern about Manning being taken off Zoloft. She wrote:
I am looking at someone who is not an out-patient who is in the friggin Brig, so that alone will add to his stress/depression especially once the pace of the legal proceedings pick up. It will only get worse once the true weight of his legal situation/future hits him. Id.
UPDATE – 1:10 PM EST To answer a few basic questions from the comments: (1) “Media center” has feed from courtroom. Press watch from here so they can use laptops to transcribe and type up stories to file. Laptops are not allowed in the courtroom; only pen and paper.
(2) The basic issues at stake is whether Manning was “unlawfully” punished at Quantico. The defense wants all charges dismissed or a 10-to-1 credit for all time that Manning was subjected to “unlawful pretrial punishment” while imprisoned from July 29, 2010 to April 20, 2011 (when he was moved to Leavenworth).
Government has a higher burden on them than defense. They have to prove they had a reasonable government objective when holding him in conditions considered crude or inhumane by his defense and supporters. The defense just has to present some evidence of punishment. They have a low threshold of proof.
UPDATE – 12:56 PM EST Going on WORT FM based in Madison, WI for an hour. Listen here.
UPDATE – 12:35 PM EST Lunch recess. The defense has been cross-examining CWO2 Denise Barnes. A key line she said was, “If somebody really wants to commit suicide, they’re not going to tell us that.” This was just after going into detail about how Manning needed to communicate more and come right out and tell here he was not going to commit suicide.
For example, when Coombs was talking about Manning appearing before the C&A Board late February to complain about his status (and was told by Board members he had “nothing new” to share since appearing February 4), he described how he was a good detainee. Manning tried to explain he still did not know why he should be on POI.
To this CWO2 Barnes reacted, “The main issue is again just coming out directly and saying I do not want to harm himself.” Except, when confronted with fact that MSGT. Blenis was being told by Manning he was not suicidal, she contended it is just one piece. She said there are behaviors and gender-identity issues. (“Issue of how he’s coping with the gender issues? That’s not addressed.”)
It raises a question Manning himself said to MSGT. Blenis while he was at Quantico: “It seems that I’m causing more concern or everybody’s looking for something to cause concern.”
UPDATE – 11:04 AM EST CWO2 Barnes – like previous testimony – stated it is not “standard practice for the counselor to be on the [C&A] Board.” She also said the counselor does not serve as voting member “but to answer questions the Board members might have.” The government, understandably, did not follow up on this statement. Coombs will likely have questions about it.
UPDATE – 11:00 AM EST Government cross-examined CWO2 Barnes and finished. One highlight: when talking about psychiatric evaluations and how she considered them when deciding Manning’s custody/classification, she said, “They would say from psychiatric standpoint there’s really nothing there, but we all know you don’t have to have a mental health issue to want to kill yourself.” She then cited Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher who just killed himself.
UPDATE – 9:30 AM EST Proceedings about to start. CWO2 Denise Barnes will take the stand.
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Prosecutors cross-examine CWO4 James Averhart (Sketch by Clark Stoeckley)
Pfc. Bradley Manning is back in military court at Fort Meade for another day of his “unlawful pretrial punishment” hearing. The government is still calling witnesses to the stand.
Chief Warrant Officer 2 Denise Barnes will take the stand today. She is the officer who took over CWO4 James Averhart’s position as Brig Officer in Charge (OIC) after he relinquished his position mid-January. She took Manning’s underwear from him on March 2, 2011, after a comment and, in Manning’s view, placed him on a suicide restriction without calling it a suicide restriction. Manning testified last week that he “lost hope in the fact that the new commander was going to to change” his confinement conditions after she took his underwear.
CWO2 Barnes told Army Lt. Col. Robert Russell, a psychiatrist who reviewed Manning a few times, that he had been “not talkative” and there had been “very little interaction with the Brig staff.” She said he was “not enjoying outdoor recreation” call or “thing that were afforded, according to Lt. Col. Russell who testified during this hearing a few days ago.
She wrote a note, which GSGT. William Fuller was made aware, that Manning’s mood had “been very somber.” There were “no detailed conversations as in the past. “No eye contact.” And, “lately” he “has not requested any accommodations” and “sees appearing before the Classification & Assignment (C&A) Review Board” as something that will “make a difference.”
CWO2 Barnes also forwarded weekly progress reports on Manning up the chain of command in the Marine Corps.
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Yesterday, CWO4 James Averhart took the stand. He was the Brig OIC while Manning was confined until mid-January 2011. His performance from the witness stand was less than impressive. He bumbled and fumbled through his testimony obfuscating whenever the defense asked direct questions. There were points in the proceedings where he was asked what should be considered basic questions on corrections policy and procedures and he would not know the answer. He would read over papers containing the policy or procedure and try to decipher its meaning in the middle of his cross-examination. Sometimes he would give an answer that make sense but would immediately back track when he figured out what he said. Other times he would go off on a tangent getting defensive as if he realized Coombs was trying to argue there was some conspiracy.
For some highlights from his testimony, here’s yesterday’s blog post.
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I am in the media center covering the proceedings, as I have been for the past seven days of this epic pretrial hearing. Check the top of this post for updates throughout the morning, afternoon and evening.
Follow @kgosztola for updates during short breaks and lunch recess. (And, I’ll do my best to get Twitter updates into this blog but sometimes they won’t make it here. I sometimes will forget messages sent out during short comfort breaks. If that happens and you catch this, don’t hesitate to call it to my attention.)



61 Comments

Kevin,
thanks for your reports. I am sorry if I missed it before, but what is the “media Center” like? What amenities are available? Has attendance of other media outlets dropped or stopped completely? Is any one evidencing an inclination to escalate coverage?
Thank you for these updates, Kevin. This man was mistreated. Shameful how fast and loose the government plays with the Eighth these days.
Denise Barnes is the one who made the Dr. Seuss joke in an email after she took Manning’s underwear, isn’t she?
This should be very interesting.
This is a dumb question… could you summarize the main issues that the pre trial hearing is attempting to determine?
Torture techniques used on him. Harsh conditions in prison. He was being treated as someone already tried and charged of any crimes the military and government wished to throw at him.
I promise not to litter the comments today. However, from the feed I am getting this:
The day before Manning was placed on stripped conditions, the government added charges of aiding the enemy. So they took more harsh conditions for him.
Although Barnes testified she did not believe Manning proved suicidal, even after the underwear comment.
Keep littering if you can!
She states that the SECNAV reads, “when deemed necessary”, clothing may be removed.
I have seen nothing yet that quantifies what Quantico deemed necessary to do this.
Kevin asked me not to yesterday.
Specifically one tweet feed because that person tweets in great number.
Anyway, we need comments here from everyone reading. You would be amazed at the others that read these posts and they should see what a huge FAIL they have made by not covering this.
According to many people:
Punishment and tortureous conditions before formerly charged are techniques used for coersion or pleas.
This leads to question of was Quantico ordered to get info out of Manning pre-trial?
So from here it appears that either Quantico wanted Manning to plead guilty of something outside of trial/Court Martial, or they wished to force him into a suicide frame of mind.
That is my not so very humble opinion.
So this pre trial hearing is to determine if his incarceration was within guidelines or out of bounds? This pre trial hearing was requested by BM as a motion to dismiss or what? I am trying to understand what legal background… And what sort of ruling or decision is being sought or expected from this hearing…
Would the mistreatment of BM be grounds for dismissal of all charges or grounds for punishment of those who acted unlawfully in their treatment?
No, the Seuss joke came from Staff Judge Advocate Lt. Col. Christopher Greer, as Kevin reported here.
Kafkaesque. I shouldn’t shocked I suppose, but I still am.
Thank You for the clarification.
Some of the charges, yes. Remember in the Ellsberg case the government had to let it go because of gross mistakes they made themselves.
Also, Sander you may read the archives of Kevin’s work and get a fuller understanding of all this and exactly what the govt. has charged Manning with. As you can see, they kept throwing charges at him after he was incarcerated at Quantico and would not even communicate fully those charges with Manning’s Defense. They withheld documents and discovery that is necessary for any court proceeding.
I was monitering what they did at Busy Bee Camp. Appreciate your response to Jane.
Thank you, Kevin. I did not have time to spend here yesterday, but it seems like today will be consequential. Free Bradley Manning.
Thank you once again, Kevin, for establishing a record of these proceedings.
This pre-trial hearing has fully demonstrated that Manning’s treatment was extraordinarily harsh in comparison to other prisoners. It would be illuminating to know the treatment of all the prisoners in the prison during his time there. i.e. how many “processed,” their intake status, any change of status, and length of time to exit process.
Be especially interesting to know if ANY pre-trial prisoner was subjected to Mannings’ harsh conditions–for example, the prisoner(s) that committed suicide. <– if so, that could be interpreted as not only cruel and unusual pre-trial punishment but attempted murder.
I have suspicions that Blenis and Averhardt were “counseler” for those prior suicides they spoke about. Surely Quantico didn’t reserve them specifically for Manning.
Ooops! Spelled Averhart wrong. Oh well, he probably won’t mind the little “d”.
pp @ #23: wow! what an interesting thought!
btw, thanks for monitoring this thread for us; i appreciate your summary comments up top, too. your work is an extremely valuable companion to Kevin’s reporting.
Stealth Lurker here; add my name to the eyes, please.
Welcome, Stealth!
So good to see your fonts here.
Well!
Thank you very much. I am determined to do as much as I can on the Manning issue. Our Military and Govt has made a HUGE mistake on how they have handled this. It should be documented!
I thank Kevin everyday for this and he really should take all the praise. However, I do appreciate that my dedication is noticed.
YIKES!!!!
It appears that Barnes testified that Manning’s underwear was taken away at bedtime because it was dark and they could not see what he was doing while in bunk.
Everyone else has testified that lights on in his cell 24/7.
Feed states he is in courtroom and not press pool. This would limit his technology and ability to record argument.
Coombs is responding to each point the Govt is making via it’s witness, CWO-2 Barnes. Even when she stated that Manning had other prisoners to talk to in cells either side of him.
All others testified no prisoners next to his cell.
No. I went back and corrected. It was SJA Greer who made the Dr. Seuss joke.
Go easy. That’s all. She tweets everything. So pick and choose what to share. Some of it is really weedy.
It appears that Galaviz, the highest ranking Marine in Corrections there and both Quantico Brig commanders think SECNAV rules mean different things. They felt they should interpret it anyway they felt. re: “shall be”
Shall be means lots of different things to them.
Will Do!!!!
Thanks, Partner.
I am back…. had to go out… So… the charges kept piling up… got that… what does the actual treatment have to do with the charges… Is BM going to move for dismissal of the charges because of mistreatment?… Sort of not actually get to a trial on the substance of the charges?
Isn’t this about .. on a meta level BM conveying information about misconduct by the DOD/USA and isn’t that what he’s required to do by his oath? Wouldn’t this be a strong case?
Does he have a right to speedy trial in the military? IF so can’t he make a motion for dismissal because he was denied a speedy trial?
Don’t you think mistreatment of prisoners by police/authorities is SOP? Look at what happened to the Central Park Jogger 5 who were innocent and served years before being exonerated.
Prisons are places where sadists have free run… isn’t this common knowledge?
The mistreatment of people charged with crimes…. before their trial is certainly important… but it seems to me the bigger issue here is shutting down not only free speech but whistle blowers… making them suffer for doing the right thing.
Whistle blowing needs to not only be protected but celebrated. How do we make that happen?
The treatment was escalated in severity as the govt kept adding charges. Yes, dismissal of some of the charges due to treatment but is not requesting all of them be dismissed yet.
Yes, it is about Manning conveying misconduct by the USA and lying to the country about what they were doing in war zones. It caused US to have red face and they are totally PISSED about it. Now, since they have charged Manning with aiding the enemy they will need to show how and proof.
Yes, he has a right to speedy trial. He has the right to proper Defense. He has the right to have all the charges against him explained in full detail with the ability to counter or plea in Court.
He can’t lose this case… if he can appeal the decision to the Supreme court. This appears to be a malicious prosecution with no real basis for the charges.
Even Obama’s statement has prejudiced the case and should be grounds for dismissal. Obi blew it.
Please see Kevin’s updates at the top of this post. He has answered some of your questions.
PP,
Thank you… I didn’t read the updates… my bad.
I have to leave Busy Bee Camp watch. Will do my best to get back and catch up. It’s that time of the day again. Keep the torch burning in my absence!
One thing that I learned in dealing with my 85 year old mom is that a snap shot does not equal a picture. My mom has had moments of depression. If I were to judge her entire situation based on this, I would make the wrong interpretation.
Last year I arrived one week after the freak storm that destroyed Massachusetts power grid in Agawam. It took 10 days to restore power. During that time, I felt that my mom could not handle being without power (i.e. TV and lights to read her books). She was really falling apart.
When I arrived, I thought that this is the end. BUT when I gave her a hot meal, a caring ear, and a sense that this was temporary, my mom became a different person.
I learned that one snap shot moment in time is not an accurate picture.
Why these idiots at the brig would fail to understand this . . . . is beyond reprehensible.
The job of Manning’s captors was not to understand anything a normal, mentally competent person would understand. They had their unwritten orders but in trying to justify what they did, they are uncoordinated. Each one has apparently made up a scenario that each feels will justify actions that they know are not justifiable.
The ones who mistreated him will likely get a slap on the wrist in the form of a letter of reprimand if anything. In my experience in the military, they tend to have broad latitude with officers on treatment and less so with the enlisted.
The system is set up to be adversarial for those at the bottom and allows those at the top a lot of leeway when it comes to determining how to command. It’s a proverbial minefield when you have conflict with those at the top.
The military promotes the concept of group think. As a matter of fact, it teaches that it is essential to reject individuality in order to achieve group goals.
Just like Blenis, a PSYCHOTIC CONTROL FREAK!!!
Coombs is really having his mind work overtime on Barnes. She really exemplifies Busy Bee Camp.
Her responses go in circles that sane people would never think to go.
She could just save her energy and do like the others did. Just Admit that she liked being a dick and wanted Manning to suffer at her hands.
And that is how she got to the rank that she has.
LOL! Probably!
I really hope the judge can see through all this bullsh*t testimony
Court will resume on Monday. Feed says that Barnes is not finished yet. She will be on stand Monday too.
Defense proved that the C&A board with Blenis never intended to take Manning off of POI/MAX. I think that all of the players in that crooked situation should be Court Martialed.
It’s to bad fascism has outlived infamy.