
Oliver Stone & Peter Kuznick appear on “Breaking the Set” with Abby Martin on RT.
The introduction of Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick’s book, The Untold History of the United States, declares before any history is recounted “we don’t try to tell all US history. That would be an impossible task.” It acknowledges there are things the United States has done right, but, “There are libraries full of books dedicated to that purpose and school curricula that trumpet US achievements.” The two are “more concerned with focusing a spotlight on what the United States has done wrong—the ways in which we believe the country has betrayed its mission, with the faith that there is still time to correct those errors as we move forward into the twenty-first century.”
From this point forward, any reasonable person should know history is going to be chosen and selected on the basis that the dark side of American history at home and abroad will be thoroughly explored. Sean Wilentz, who is a history professor at Princeton University and author of The Rise of Democracy: Jefferson to Lincoln, had a critique of Untold History published by the New York Review of Books that purports to expose the book as a project that “cherry-picks” history.
It does “cherry-pick” and Stone and Kuznick do not dispute the fact that their book is going to omit history that others might want to see included in the book. Wilentz seeks to denigrate the history presented and argues the history in the book is not untold.
…Most if not all of the interpretations that they present in The Untold History of the United States—from the war in the Philippines to the one in Afghanistan—have appeared in revisionist histories of American foreign policy written over the last fifty years. Challenged by early reviewers, Stone and Kuznick have essentially conceded the point about their sources and claimed that what they call the “revisionist narrative” that informs their book has in truth become “the dominant narrative among university-based historians.”
The real problem, they say, is that this revisionism has yet to penetrate the public schools, the mainstream media, and “those parts of America that cling to the notion of American exceptionalism.” Their version of history may not be untold, but “it has been almost entirely ‘unlearned.’” And so what originally sounded like a startling account of a hidden history is in fact largely a recapitulation and popularization of a particular stream of academic work, in a book that would more properly be called The Unlearned History of the United States—if the scholarship and the authors’ reworking of it were thorough, factually accurate, and historically convincing… [emphasis added]
The criticism that it is really “unlearned” and not “untold” is one teeming with elitism. It does not appear Wilentz finds it to be a problem that “public schools, the mainstream media and ‘those parts of America that cling to the notion of American exceptionalism,’” do not know much of the history in the book because they were not taught this history. It seems perfectly acceptable to him that Americans only be exposed to it while attending college or university and not while in other sectors of society. One could even go a step further and suggest Wilentz’s problem essentially is that there was a buzz created around the project and, when he began to explore it to see what it was all about, it did not contain any history he did not already know and so he felt it was a waste of his time.
A person could conclude from reading about what key aspects of history Wilentz is bothered by in the project that he does not personally subscribe to certain notions adopted by both Stone and Kuznick. For one, Wilentz is a typical American historian, who loathes those who characterize America as an “empire.” Wilentz is a Truman Democrat and, after reading the book and watching the series, any Truman Democrat would likely feel obligated to point out what aspects of the history of President Harry S. Truman were “incorrect.” Wilentz also does not subscribe to the view that policy changes and developments in society are a result of social movements or the lack of opposition from social movements.
Thomas J. Sugrue could be referring to a historian like Wilentz when he wrote in a review of Joshua Freeman’s American Empire: The Rise of a Global Power, the Democratic Revolution at Home, 1945-2000:
…For most public intellectuals and the public itself, America still stands as an exception to Rome or Britain, allergic to imperialism because of its anticolonial roots and its lower-case democratic culture. The United States is a nation builder, not an empire builder; a world power that benignly brought democracy to the world by sowing the seeds of capitalism; a beacon of persuasion rather than coercion. Even if, over the last sixty years, American capital has reached into every corner of the world, Hollywood and New York have reshaped popular culture in Paris and Mumbai, presidents and Congress have provided hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid, and America has intervened in civil wars abroad from Angola to Laos, from Guatemala to Libya, the United States, wrote Gardner in a much-quoted 1989 essay, is still “the empire that dare not speak its name…
Indeed, when he mentions “empire,” it is mocking in tone: “The United States, according to Stone and Kuznick, has remained in the malefic grip of the militarists and empire-builders to this day.”
As a Truman Democrat, individuals like Wilentz believe the world is a community America can lead, knowledge constantly shapes ideology, and economic development should be available to the poorest in the world. However, they do not disagree with neoconservatives who consider America to be the “one indispensable nation in the world.” They find lethal force for “moral” or “good ends” acceptable if it isn’t always used first. And they want America, just as neoconservatives do, to maintain its supremacy as a military, political and economic superpower.
Wilentz’s ideology comes through in the fact that he does not adopt the critique put forward in Untold History of Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bombs. He writes, “The United States dropped atomic bombs on Japan even though, according to the authors, the Japanese themselves already knew they had been defeated. Truman, they believe, hoped this would scare Stalin and the Soviets into postwar submission. When the Soviets refused to be intimidated, an insecure Truman resolved to ‘stand up to Stalin and show him who was boss.’”
He continues:
…Stone and Kuznick simply ignore the scholarship that contradicts their basic assumptions. It is hardly clear, for example, that the Japanese government was close to surrendering on the Allies’ terms in the summer of 1945. American analysts believed that, short of a bloody invasion of its shores, Japanese leaders would fight hard, holding out for a much milder negotiated settlement, which negates Stone and Kuznick’s contention that Truman was misleading about his motive for using atomic bombs: that they would spare the lives of untold thousands of American GIs. Nor did Truman shift away from FDR’s incomplete vision of a grand bargain with the Soviets until he fitfully became convinced that Stalin’s encroachments in Eastern and Central Europe posed a threat to Western security…
These analysts go unnamed in Wilentz’s review (though some works are cited which Americans could presumably read and search for what he is referencing). Wilentz conveniently ignores the military leaders highlighted in the book, who considered the bombings “militarily unnecessary or morally reprehensible.”
Admiral William Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff, found the “Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender…The use of this barbarous weapon was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.” General Henry “Hap” Arnold, said, “It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse.” And General Curtis LeMay concluded, “Even without the atomic bomb and Russian entry into the war, Japan would have surrendered in two weeks.” He also said, “The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war.” And Stone and Kuznick list Naval officers Admiral Ernest King, commander-in-chief of the US Navy, Admiral Chester Nimitz, commander-in-chief of the Pacific Fleet and Admiral William “Bull” Halsey, commander of the South Pacific Fleet, to further demonstrate the bombs never needed to be dropped.
Not only is Wilentz repulsed by how Truman’s decision to drop the bombs is presented as an act of barbarism, but he is offended by the presentation of the birth of the Cold War. He takes further issue with how Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s vice president, Henry Wallace, is cast as a hero in the project.
Stone and Kuznick’s exploration of how Democratic Party bosses conspired to prevent Wallace from being renominated as vice president in 1944 and selected Truman to replace him has been considered revelatory by most who’ve viewed the series. Wilentz does not dispute that a conspiracy unfolded at the Democratic National Convention that year, however, he excuses what was done to Wilentz by suggesting Wallace was “aloof” and “ethereal” and “had antagonized nearly every member of the upper chamber, which made him a major political liability for FDR.” He was a “‘a searcher for methods of bringing the ‘inner light’ to outward manifestation,’ and his searches led him to fall under the influence of some oddball prophets.” Thus, upon reflection, Wilentz disputes how Stone and Kuznick make the conspiracy seem malicious, as if the Democratic Party bosses did not fully realize FDR was weak and dying of polio and would not be able to fight the coup they engineered at the convention.
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It is worth noting that Wilentz has a deep-seated contempt for the late people’s historian Howard Zinn. When asked by the Los Angeles Times to provide his opinion on Zinn’s work after he died, he told the newspaper, “To a point, he helped correct mainstream popular conceptions of American history that were highly biased. But he ceased writing serious history. He had a very simplified view that everyone who was president was always a stinker and every left-winger was always great.” He added, “[Zinn] saw history primarily as a means to motivate people to political action that he found admirable. That’s what he said he did. It’s fine as a form of agitation — agitprop — but it’s not particularly good history.”
Similar to Zinn, Stone and Kuznick seek to agitate people. The end of the ten-part documentary series even contains a call to action so really this is what Wilentz does not like: the fact that Stone and Kuznick produced a project for the purpose of spurring Americans to reverse the current course of this country that has been set by corporate interests, the national security state and other various proponents of US empire.
This is why Wilentz was moved to write such a pompous critique of Untold History. As he told the New York Times months ago, “It’s so overloaded with ideological distortion that this question doesn’t get raised in an intelligent way. And once a question gets raised in an unintelligent way, then you are off in cloud-cuckoo land.”
Stone and Kuznick are only guilty of fashioning a version of history they think is too often ignored by Americans. They committed the offense of presenting acts committed by presidents and lead military or government officials in the past century as a part of a continuum. Then, they went a step further and idealistically suggested citizens who read/view this project have the power to affect how this country proceeds forward. They could influence whether it continues to dominate the world with its military, maintain supplies of nuclear weapons and allow a tiny minority of wealthy Americans to control domestic politics, foreign policy and the media. They could decide whether to permit levels of surveillance, government intrusion, civil liberties abuses and losses of privacy that those who founded the country would have opposed unequivocally. And they could promote interest in history by sharing the project with friends and family so citizens are more informed.
The majority of contents of the Untold History project may be taught in the colleges or universities of America. It may even be taught by Wilentz himself. However, there are many, many Americans who do not go to school after graduating high school and learn history. They do not have any interest in learning history. By producing a documentary series for Showtime, the two engaged in an effort to reach the public with something fascinating or entertaining so key events and developments in American history did not remain unknown and, perhaps, people who never thought they wanted to know this information might encounter it and become more knowledgeable of America’s much-ignored and dark past.



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It is instructive to note that Sean Willentz is not an active scholar of US foreign policy and is most likely relying on what he was taught about US foreign policy. You have noted that he sees himself as a competitor of Howard Zinn, most likely based on differences of opinion about US labor history.
Willentz, being a Princeton professor, is coming to the defense of the the conventional narrative about US foreign policy. And doing it in a forum that is read by whom? Who is the audience for the New York Review of Books?
And he of course never cherry picks information to drive his narrative. All of his books are those OTOH-OTOH-OTTH non-conclusive narratives that are almost impossible to read. Right?
And he never would try to play on the snobbery against Oliver Stone that appeared with Stone’s JFK. Right?
What is different now than when he learned about US foreign policy is that we now have declassified the cables between Truman and his commanders in the Pacific. We now have a lot of declassified information about the Manhattan Project. In short, we have more primary sources than just the memoirs of the players. That makes a huge difference in perspective. And I doubt that Prof. Willentz has had the time or bothered to examine those new primary sources — because they are outside is specialty.
And Princeton, is after all one the novitiate schools for the elite.
Come on, Willentz is just jealous he didn’t think of the idea and approach Stone first. Now the best he can do is bitch about it from the sidelines.
Belief in and defense of the American myth is very strong in the acidemic circles where it is payed highly to do so.
In other words, university professors can be just as full of BS as anyone else provided it pays well enough.
All of us are intellectuals (philosophers, historians, etc.) All of us have these faculties. But not all of us have the social function of intellectuals. The essence of that function is to perpetuate and justify the status quo. The status quo is based on domination and inequality, which intellectuals reproduce as part of their social function.
So Wilentz is doing his job here. He is not only disagreeing with the conclusions of Stone and Kuznik. He is flinging dung at them, deriding them as unqualified amateurs with an agenda. He is telling the rest of us, by implication, that we are too dumb to have any opinions other than the ones we are told to have. To think for ourselves – horrors! – that is Thoughtcrime, the root of all other crimes.
So it is no surprise that the ideas of “Untold History” have not reached the public. And if our cadre of thinkers-for-hire have anything to do with it, they never will. Wilentz states that Stone and Kuznick see this as a problem. Wilentz does not.
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
There are a few historical facts I know to be true, and virtually no one gets them right. If they ever do, I’ll start paying attention to modern day “historians”.
The most pertinent here is FDR’s advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor (at least 2 weeks). I got that from one of FDR’s employees who was there. “Historians” tell me I’m wrong.
I am waiting for the dust to settle on knowledge (not cause) of 9/11. This time my information is second hand, but 100% fits all the periphery of the source’s events. (I am not talking about that one).
My favorite bumper sticker:
Question Authority
Works on so many levels. What makes one of these guys more right than the other? What make either of them authorities?
That must be why I prefer working in engineering: you can prove or disprove “rightness”.
Ah, so we are to conclude that the pragmatic suppresses the inner light? Thanks, Kevin, for redressing the arrogance that will not be corrected.
One could go beyond Stone and Kuznick. Of course it is their widespread presentation of “known” history that is an incitement to the cultivated gatekeepers like Willentz.
9/11 in 5 minutes.
The very moment that Sean Willentz releases a movie on a historical event that runs over three hours, can keep an entire audience stone-dead-quiet for that length of time, and then have the film end with the stunned audience sitting silently for two minutes, only to stand on their feet and break into applause, well, that will be the moment I get concerned about Willentz’s opinion.
I have read all of that before, but thanks.
What I meant by the “dust settling” was I am waiting to see the consensus narrative that will emerge as time goes on.
I should add that WWII “history” still isn’t settled.
Someone I know of quit the government because of the lies over 9/11, mainly because the top was worried for weeks about where to send shrub for that day.
I linked to it bc it is clever and short. The info is not new.
Oh, but Willentz’s opinion does concern you as he represents those who say you have no need to know. And apparently Willentz believes everyone should believe his is the best of all possible worlds.
Stone and Kuznick are to be commended for taking their time and money to craft a documentary that challenges today’s conventional wisdom, and of course, Wilentz is verbally disappointed that the “idea” for a differing assessment of our national history needs to be explored, and in even greater detail.
Take, for example, my Indigenous history of these past 50,000 years still has yet to take root in the traditional history books, and the Academy of Historians, have a vast amount of work to accomplish.
Perhaps, in a couple of years, Stone and Kuznick will do a Part Two of their docmentary. If so, I hope that will start with what has occurred this past week. John Kerry and Chuck Hagel, were never asked during their respective Senate hearings as “When does both chambers of Congree need to commence “rescinding the Authority to Use Force?” with a secondary effort to answer the question of “When does Congress need to reassess the continuing the use of the Patriot Act?”
Jaango
Agreed on all points.
I’ll bet he gets payed fairly handsomely for not seeing it as a problem.
Book Salon up with Hedrick Smith’s Who Stole The American Dream? hosted by Ariadne Allan Autor
Wilentz:
1) It *was* clear that Japan wanted out of the war. Certainly not by unconditional surrender, maybe, but Japan realized it had lost.
2) All these arguments about “bloody invasions” and Japanese military combatants and civilians alike fighting to the last man, woman and child ignores salient facts, which are:
a) We thought the Germans would likewise fight to the end, and that there would be civilian resistance (Werewolf). Neither of these materialized, and it must be remembered that eventually planning had the Soviets as well as the West invading Japan, so the motivations might be similar.
In this vein, American bomber pilots flying low-level missions over Japan reported civilians waving white handkerchiefs at their bombers. Like Germany, the last-ditch Battle for Japan might have ended more in a whimper than a bang.
b) The fighting-to-the-bitter-end character of Japanese soldiers and sailors had at least as much–if not more–to do with the fact American soldiers, driven by revenge and racism, simply refused to take Japanese prisoners. The Japanese leadership itself, wanting to put backbone into its troops, was more than willing to advertise this fact.
That is not merely my opinion, it was the conclusion of a study done by the War Department published during the war. More than bushido or loyalty to the emperor or anything else, fear of American mistreatment was the biggest single factor in the low number of prisoners taken.
If that were not so, how come the Soviets took over *500,000* prisoners in their Manchurian campaign?
A big difference between FDR and Truman may have been how *literally* they took the agreements i Eastern and Central Europe. FDR might have been willing to acquiesce to a less literal interpretation of “free elections” than Truman did. (Not that we held free elections in the places we occupied, we put whoever we wanted in power in place, thus stiffing the Communist Party in places where it might have made a strong showing). FDR’s reasoning could have been that he presciently anticipated that the best hope for autonomy for Poland and other countries in Eastern Europe lay in a peace and the withdrawal of Soviet forces.
One thing is clear–the Churchill *did* have his military draw up plans for an attack on Soviet forces in Germany and Eastern Europe (Operation Unthinkable). The British military advised against it as the Western Allies were outnumbered 3-4:1 in men and 2:1 in tanks. (Some please tell Patton and all his adoring fans that?) So Stalin’s paranoia, easily fed, was not without some justification.
-stewartm
Good point, but which one?
Midnight Express?
Platoon?
JFK?
Wall Street?
Nixon?
W?
It’s true the man had a couple of movies in there that didn’t do as well, but he’s got more than a couple that are/will be classics of cinema.
I thought Untold History is another that fits easily into that category. Even if these are not controversial views in academic circles (I hesitate to use elitist since it apparently is not acknowledged by all academics), these are not widespread views in our public so these guys have done a world of good by getting this information in front of way more of the American public and then asking them to THINK. I have to say expecting large parts of the American public to think independently is most probably the biggest assumption they make in the whole series.
OK, I know I need to put Natural Born Killers in the list too especially given our hostess. I got hit by that movie so hard, I may never watch it again. Once was enough.
Kevin, a really good topic. The comments have been excellent. I agree with those that have said or implied that Wilentz’s thrust was to denigrate Stone and Kuznick and show that their history is well known, just “unlearned.” What he should have said was “untaught,” that would show why this work is needed, but that would have served to undercut the status quo.
I agree with those that say that Wilentz is jealous of Zinn. After all, Zinn said things that undercut the status quo, Wilentz probably knows that Zinn was right, and Zinn is beloved and respected by many thousand more than even know Wilentz’s name.
As has been pointed out, Wilentz is an historian whose focus in America, but who is working to support the “exceptionalist” meme. The idea that America is an empire is anathema to the exceptionalists. That the facts are so obvious that Chalmers Johnson wrote books on explaining this.I think that Wilentz would struggle if faced with debating Johnson . That Wilentz doesn’t see “empire” seems to be purposeful, not fact based.
Thank you KG for spotlighting / highlighting ‘Untold History’ here at FDL and expanding on reactions/critiques of one historian — Sean Wilentz — to/about what Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznicks have pulled and put together with ‘ The Untold History Of The United States’. I consistently like issues / topics you choose KG and how you place them here at FDL . I so very often am easily able to X2 and concur with your takes on politics and politicians in both current and past events.
Thank you KG. Stay with it.
I recall reading somewhere at some point that Barack Obama had said there is no American Empire. This Obama comment tells a story on several levels does it not?
There is no American Empire. Historically or officially described as such? No.
When looked at objectively the history of the United States suggests being imperial and doing empire was how 13 original colonies that became United States with a capital city at WashingtonDC expanded across the Appalachians and by 1850 had largely arrived at Mississippi River from Wisconsin to New Orleans via Louisiana Purchase from France and a considerable number of attacks,takings via multiple imposed treaties and forced assimilation and migration(s) and/or imposed violence/killing/warmongering on Native Americans and Mexicans who were where United States sought to be and WashingtonDC wanted to own,control and exploit.
Post American Civil War the United States and WashingtonDC kept on doing all these acts and actions which by late 1890′s saw the United States spanning North America from Chesapeake to Great Lakes to Rocky Mountains to California / Alaska and Pacific Ocean. So if this was not what imperialism does or what empire is what was it?
American Empire did not stop at the shores of Pacific Ocean but proceeded to take Hawaiian Islands and then take Philippines in far Western Pacific (East Asia) while placing Cuba and Caribbean under American imperial regime’s rule.
Meanwhile the Monroe Doctrine was always kept well oiled to ward off any real or imagined European designs on Central or South America that did not comport with WashingtonDC Western Hemisphere view(s) and policy or desired policy outcome(s).
Nothing much has changed since 1900 then has it? Of course lots of change(s) has/ have but which global nation today feels justified to be in Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and Syria and clearly wants to pretend the Persian Gulf is a part of Gulf of Mexico? It is not China. It’s not Brazil. USA / American Empire? Yes.
So Barack Obama may not want to admit to or give official acknowledgement to the existence of American Empire or the imperialism of American Empire but that does not square with the facts and acts of American/USA military/real estate/economic/settlement(s) conduct and history since 1800.
Sean Wilentz appears above to endorse accepted and officially approved history of USA and how Americans got from 13 colonies to where USA / American Empire is in 2013. Many Americans likely would subscribe to similar views and opinions Wilentz may / appears to hold and will claim to be correct / better USA history.
Stone and Kuznicks are not making stuff up are they? I don’t see where they are. Just taking known / knowable facts,acts and truths and weaving them into a different narrative where USA is American Empire and Americans are not champions of oppressed peoples and lands nor always/often the Good Guys. I like the honesty of / in this. Too bad so many Americans choose to not like honesty as or when revealed in history. American Empire is as real as empires get. Deadly real for the many–
Native Americans
Mexicans
Filipinos
Vietnamese
Palestinians
Iraqis
Afghans
Pakistanis
Yemenis
Libyans
Central and South Americans
–who got in the way of American Empire and ended up being forced to move or face attack,being killed or abused as human beings in ways American Empire does while claiming to be the Good Guys. The list compiled above is only partial and not a complete listing.
This list is not a fabrication of imagined humans and lands or nations that American Empire never touched nor did anything imperial with or to.
Americans are in Iraq. Americans are in Afghanistan. Libya and Syria are not places where Americans are not doing what Americans do. Who is placing severe hardship sanctions on Tehran? Americans are.
Not imagining this. American Empire is what it is. No imagined conjure.
I heartily endorse the above positive evaluations of your post, Kevin, and add that I love seeing anything in the pretentious New York Review of Books deconstructed. Please do some more of it if you find time.
The Hawaiian Islanders, and their kingdom, a victim of US imperial aggression are often overlooked due to the “Told History” of the US which misrepresents the events of 1893-1898 in the Hawaiian’s Islands.
This is one excellent comments thread. Thanks everyone.
Great post. Thanks, Kevin.
Ditto. I was wondering if “The Untold Story” was going to come up here. But here’s my take. Frankly, for myself, at 68 years old, having gone through a normal public school education, reciting a Pledge of Allegiance for 12 years that now for all practical purposes is disgustingly absurd, having grown up with a Dad who was on the PBY that discovered the Jap fleet heading to midway, and saw every War from the perspective of “propagated” American values, I have to say, by now, anything so called “historians” claim about the history I grew up with is pure unadulterated bullshit. Empire? Youbetcha..in all it’s murderous, conniving, lying, psychopathic Amerikan Capitalistic fucking glory.
As far as I’m concerned now..I’m actually ashamed to be Amerikan, as this is NOT the nation I pledged allegiance to. In fact, it is now a vile, repulsive, repugnant evil regime dedicated to the profit margin of the Oligarchy. All I can say is…ya better think twice about taking my gun.
Why would anyone listen to a peacenik like Curtis LeMay about why or whether the U.S. had to drop the A-bombs on Japan?
Ok, sarcasm switch off:
Thanks to Stone & Kuznick for the series (I haven’t yet gotten to the book); thanks to Kevin G. for this post; thanks to the commenters for excellent work.
My only contribution on where Wilentz is coming from is that I bet he, and others similarly intentioned, were just waiting for Stone to produce a real fringe history focused on JFK assassination theories and the like, which could have been safely savaged by establishment historians.
Instead, Stone and Kuznick went really the opposite route: so much of it isn’t even factually debatable, yet it is still “untold” and severed from the broadly accepted and taught narrative of U.S. history. So the defenders of that hegemony had to do a quick 180 and proclaim “nothing to see here; all old hat; move along”.
Classic damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
There is an absolutely awful story on Adam Swartz by Peter Singer and Agata Sagan in The New York Review of Books, blaming his death on depression and saying basically nothing about the conduct of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Massachusetts:
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/jan/18/death-aaron-swartz/
What’s just as bad or worse, almost none of the NYRB commenters on this article really challenge its premises.
Some liberal publication.
If the NYRB is losing its bearings it should definitely be called to account, but it should be noted that, in contrast to The New Yorker and The Atlantic, not to mention the morass of mainstream media, the NYRB has heretofore not been a conduit for the neo-con, lawless GWOT insanity that has defined this era, and has instead consistently given a voice to alternative perspectives in its pages.
Kevin’s analysis is accurate.
Sean Wilentz’s review in NYT is obstructionist at best and more likely high-class propagnada.
The total capture and abuse of the “Power Systems” (Chomsky) in America which are now “Occupied” and controlled by an unholy combination of corporate/financial/military/media and political powers is much more than what President Eisenhower had exposed as the MIC (53 years ago), and by all rights could be rightly called ‘fascism’.
However the word ‘fascism’ can be easily dismissed by the media as too radical to engender belief and corrective action by the American public. Whereas the word ‘corporate-state’ is far too bland and passive to alert Americans to the scale of existential danger they face, nor to engender ‘action’.
The only way this Empire ends ‘non-violently’, is when the American people finally recognize that their country has been ‘captured’ and now fully “Occupied” by a disguised global Empire, a corporate/financial/militarist/media and political Empire, that hides behind the facade of a modernized and sophisticated propagandist DUAL-Party ‘Vichy’ sham of faux-democratic and totally illegitimate government —
similar to the earlier and crude single-party Vichy facade that the Nazi Empire which ‘captured’ and “Occupied” France c.
1940 tried-out less successfully more than 80 years ago.
The only thing that is Kryptonite to this well disguised Global
Empire, only posing as our fading country in the post-nation-state 21st century, is for the people to be exposed and educated to it, to recognize and diagnose it as the casual cancer of all ‘symptom problems’ which it is, to publicly ‘call-it-out’, reject it, confront it, and by such outing deracinate it and ‘excise’ it.
As Zygmunt Bauman hauntingly puts it, “In the case of an ailing
social order, the absence of an adequate diagnosis…is a crucial, perhaps decisive, part of the disease.”13
[Berman, Morris (2011-02-07). Dark Ages
America: The Final Phase of Empire (p. 22). Norton. Kindle Edition.]
Less than 0.1% of Americans actually understand the truth that our country has been captured by Empire, and the media never even whispers or allows hinting of this truth.
Like AA, the first step is to admit, acknowledge, and publicly foreswear the disease.
When broader public mention and assertion that America has become an Empire occurs, the empire will start to quickly die, since a disguised Empire can not defend itself without further exposing itself.
That’s what has to happen to avoid a violent blood-bath and existential end to our American story.
Best luck and love to the fast expanding ‘Occupy Empire’ educational and revolutionary movement against this deceitful, guileful, disguised EMPIRE, which can’t so easily be identified as wearing RedCoats, Red Stars, nor funny looking Nazi helmets —- quite yet!
Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality
Over
Violent/’Vichy’ Rel 2.0
Empire,
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
We don’t merely have a gun/fear problem, or a ‘Fiscal Cliff’ problem, or an expanding wars problem, or a vast income & wealth inequality problem, or a Wall Street ‘looting’ problem, or an environmental death-spiral problem, or a domestic tyranny NDAA FISA spying problem, or, or, or, or …. ad nauseum — we have a hidden EMPIRE cancerous tumor which is the prime CAUSE of all these ‘symptom problems’.
I’ve subscribed to the NYRB for about fifteen years. They have good writers on the political beat, and most of their contributors are intelligent and thoughtful. Occasionally, though, a writer with a bug up his ass such as Wilentz is allowed access. Whenever such a reviewer generates controversy, it continues on the back pages of subsequent issues, in the form of the wronged parties having their say. I can see that happening in this case. However, the reviewer is always allowed the last word. It will nonetheless be interesting to see how nasty the fight gets.
My eighth grade history teacher taught me one valuable lesson about American history: Follow the money, it tells the whole story. Capitalism has always trumped democracy in America and it looks like it will be its downfall.
First, let me commend Peter Kuznick for his persistence to collaborate with Oliver Stone on the untold History.
Second, let me agree with Sean Wiletz that an alternative title might well have been “The Unlearned History” rather than the “Untold History”. Just as one can “lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink”, so one can “lead a human to knowledge but can’t make him learn”, or even better “one can speak, but others may not hear.”
However one wishes to parse this phenomena, in the extreme a story can be deemed “told”, if it is told once, printed once. Ditto for whether it is heard by one or many. None of this is relevant. What matters is “what happened”? What is the truth (small “t” – we never get to revisit ALL aspects, nor are the views we get always clear or unambiguous. So to a large extent truth is a journey, rather than a destination. The process in that journey I find most helpful is to be careful and meticulous, in documenting and offering some small snippet. This is what Stone and Kuznick did, with facts carefully sourced as to who said, measured what, when and where as to a VERY SPECIFIC fact. Sean Wiltetz does LITTLE to NONE of this, merely citing “unnamed experts” or sweeping the specific under the rug of a cite to an entire book, with NO connection to a specific fact.
I am deeply involved (by birth, training and interest) in how WWII came to be, how the atomic bomb came to be, and the role the bomb played in both WWII and subsequent years up to the present. I run across the Sean Wilentz types frequently, with the common cry being “REVISIONIST”, don’t look there- look at the “experts”. To get a general sense of how this works review what happened to undermine the ENOLA GAY exhibit at the National Air and Space Museum at the Smithsonian, in 1995 to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are indeed MANY good and competent historians that tell the Kuznick and Stone story, if quite so broadly or thoroughl. I see the “truth” of what happened pretty much as Kuznick and Stone tell it. The bomb should NEVER have been dropped; the evidence to support that is overwhelming. Also overwhelming is the propaganda that was begun BEFORE the bomb was even dropped, to “tell” another narrative, the one that is told most often to soldiers, and to public school children in America. For whatever reason, it seems important for Sean Wilentz to believe the “official version” crafted by Groves, Stimson, George, Conant, Teller, et al. So far they have the weight (and money) of the government behind them to support the “official narrative”. But eventually the actual story (untold or unlearned- take your pick) WILL be UNDERSTOOD, as folks that care to know will demand that facts be addressed – what SPECIFIC infrastructure did Japan have in spring of 1945, what were its food and energy stocks; what were the Russian capabilities; what was the US military infrastructure and capabilities: what were the statements, dairy notes, and memoirs of the various actors and stakeholders? Once the discussion occurs on those specific grounds the Sean Wiletz’s will no longer be in the game – their “evidence” simply is not there. Neither is mine in THIS post. But I assure you I, (and many others) HAVE collected and organized that information.
I thank Kuznick and Stone for saving us a lot of time and effort, and allowing us to deal exclusively on the parts that tell the larger story. Engaging at that level of specificity is something Sean doesn’t (and perhaps can’t?) do. So he (and others unwilling to let knowledge and understanding grow, by logic and testing of hypothesis) resorts to ad hominem attacks, appeal to authority, and snide and dismissive tones, all to obfuscate, either to the public, to himself, or both, that he simply does not understand or have enough information to sort out this period of history.
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I meant to leave Sean with this quote, from Henry Stimson’s memoirs, as food for thought:
On Active Service in Peace and War
Henry L. Stimson (Author), McGeorge Bundy (Author
Raise your hand if you’ve heard of Sean Wilentz before.
Raise your hand if you’ve heard of Oliver Stone before.