
Screen shot from CSPAN of Obama announcing John Brennan’s nomination to position of CIA chief
President Barack Obama’s administration, according to the New York Times, is reportedly in talks with Republicans on providing more information on the attack on a US diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya. Administration officials hope this will secure enough votes so John Brennan can be confirmed to the position of CIA chief without the administration having to provide all the memos on the targeted killing program to Democratic senators demanding to see them.
From the Times:
The strategy is intended to produce a bipartisan majority vote for Mr. Brennan in the Senate Intelligence Committee without giving its members seven additional legal opinions on targeted killing sought by senators and while protecting what the White House views as the confidentiality of the Justice Department’s legal advice to the president. It would allow Mr. Brennan’s nomination to go to the Senate floor even if one or two Democrats vote no to protest the refusal to share more legal memos.
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The administration is currently in discussions with Republican members of the Intelligence Committee about providing the trail of e-mails that were the basis of “talking points” from the intelligence agencies regarding the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi, which killed the American ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans. Such a concession would probably win at least some Republican votes for Mr. Brennan.
During a Google+ Hangout Fireside chat on February 14, President Barack Obama answered questions from Americans. Each person selected to ask a question had used YouTube or Google+ to effectively build audiences or communities around social issues.
He was asked about promising to be the most transparent administration in American history by African-American conservative blogger Kira Davis. She mentioned Benghazi:
…In 2008, you ran on a platform of really trying to become one of the most transparent administrations in American history. However, with recent leaked guidelines regarding drone strikes on American citizens and Benghazi and closed-door hearings on the budget and deficit, it just feels a lot less transparent than I think we had all hoped it would be. How has the reality of the presidency changed that promise? And what can we do moving forward to kind of get back to that promise?
Obama responded to the mention of Benghazi:
There are a handful of issues, mostly around national security, where people have legitimate questions, where there’s still concern about whether or not we have all the information we need. Benghazi, by the way, is not a good example of that. That was largely driven by campaign stuff because everything about—We’ve had more testimony and more paper provided to Congress than ever before and Congress is sort of running out of things to ask. [emphasis added]
However, when it comes to keeping legal opinions justifying the targeted killing program or the use of drones from getting into the hands of senators entitled under the law to read them, apparently there are an array of questions the Obama administration is willing to answer to avoid transparency.
Obama stated during the Fireside chat:
…I’m the head of the executive branch and what we’ve done so far is try to work with Congress on oversight issues, but part of what I’m going to have to work with Congress on is to make sure that whatever it is that we’re providing Congress that we have mechanisms to also make sure that the public also understands what’s going on, what the constraints are, what the legal parameters are and that’s something that I take very seriously. I am not somebody who believes that the president has the authority to do whatever he wants or whatever she wants whenever they want just under the guise of counterterrorism. There have to be checks and balances on it…
Though he did not specifically mention the drone programs—because the administration is playing a secrecy game where they do not say “drone” or acknowledge programs exist in order to keep records concealed from the public, his reference to “counterterrorism” and “checks and balances” was a reference to the issue of targeted killings.
Evidently, this is another case where his beliefs come with a caveat. The president does not have the authority to do whatever he wants under the guise of counterterrorism except when it needs to withhold secret legal opinions of the Justice Department from senators, which is clearly an abuse of authority comparable to President George W. Bush’s withholding of documents on the use of torture techniques on detainees.
Additionally, as pointed out by the Times, Obama declared in his State of the Union address on February 12:
I recognize that in our democracy, no one should just take my word that we’re doing things the right way. So, in the months ahead, I will continue to engage with Congress to ensure not only that our targeting, detention and prosecution of terrorists remains consistent with our laws and system of checks and balances, but that our efforts are even more transparent to the American people and to the world.
While taking questions during the Fireside chat, Obama repeated the slogan he wants Americans to associate with his administration: “The Most Transparent and Ethical Administration in the History of the United States.” Making moves behind the scenes to prevent senators from accessing legal opinions is the reverse of being ethical and transparent.
There are at least two senators on the intelligence committee, both Democrats, who have requested to see all the legal memos before voting for Brennan: Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado and Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon.
The issue is compounded by the fact that Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat of California, is a fawning supporter of Brennan, who has expressed willingness to vote for him even if the administration does not provide the memos.
Just look at the picture at the top of the Times story. Feinstein is looking up at Brennan with ogling eyes, as if to say I have a crush on powerful people. Brennan is standing tall, looking forward and grinning as if to say, I got this chairwoman wrapped around my finger and the CIA will have no problems over drones, rendition, interrogations, detentions or other covert operations with her as chairwoman.
At the confirmation hearing, Brennan stated, “I want every Member of this Committee to be an ardent advocate, proponent, and defender of the men and women of the Central Intelligence Agency. And I see it as my obligation to represent them to you on their behalf, so that when times get tough, and when people are going to be criticizing and complaining about the CIA, I have all of you to say you knew about what the CIA was doing, you supported it, and you will defend it.”
It was a call for the committee to be subservient to the CIA and not really provide oversight. And based on how Feinstein handled the hearing, any future episodes after his confirmation will be what The Nation‘s Jeremy Scahill called “kabuki oversight.” They will be nauseating scenes where it appears the committee is checking the power of the CIA—like when Feinstein had Brennan basically give Anwar Al-Awlaki, the US-born Muslim cleric killed by a drone strike, a kind of posthumous trial. There will be no real pressure on the CIA or Obama administration to be transparent and ethical. There will just be Feinstein gazing at powerful people whom she finds to be awesome in their power.



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If Obnoxious were somehow forced to release these so called “secret memos”, he knows it would cause a volcano of raucous side splitting laughter from coast to coast, as anyone who has more than one neuron between their ears knows the DOJ can NOT legislate LAW. For the Congress to let the Executive to run a MURDER program based on a few “opinions”, in secret no less, we might as well declare this experiment in democracy a massive fucking FAIL. In essence..IF, pond scum Eric Holder declares, ..“american citizens have a right to due process..but that doesn’t necessarily mean..ahem..judicial process”…then some one PLEASE TELL ME….why the fuck have we had a “JUDICIAL SYSTEM” for over 200 fucking years! This whole stinking scenario not only redefines the word absurd…I would submit it borders on TREASON…as this pathological narcissist has deemed he has the “right” to murder American citizens, even if they are children, by virtue of an opinion, written in secret, and who refuses to show them to our “duly elected” congress members who have LEGAL AUTHORITY to see them. This not only borders on treason..it makes a total MOCKERY of everything we have been taught our whole life time, in regards to the Constitution, Democracy, and the Magna Carta!
Now…you tell me..is this the America you “Pledged Allegiance” to? You know..the one that claims… “with JUSTICE and FREEDOM for ALL”. Well, I think not. EVER.
Supposedly, these D of J, which exists at public expense, created these memos at public expense simply to tell the POTUS, another public servant, what the law says about various actions.
Obama, however, is saying that what the law says about what our own servants in the Executive Branch can legally do is so secret that we cannot know it. Not only can we not know it, but even members of Congress, also our public servants, can’t know it. What the law says about what our servants can do is just that big a threat to our national security.
Something about Obama’s position seems totally out of whack with law books being out in plain sight in libraries, in offices and even on the sets of movies, plays and TV shows.
At the same time, he tells us that we are winning the war on terror.
Why do I hear very loud laughter ringing from the pit of Hell and also from places like Mali?
Apparently, we both were thinking of laughter at the same time.
As for your post, it seems that we are not, after all, a place of liberty and justice for all.
It would seem that no one who lives in the home of the brave is, in reality, brave enough to care about either liberty or justice for all. Beyond, you know, mouthing those words and acting all exceptional about them
What I’ve said over at EW’s place: “I am quite sure that the withholding of the memos is to protect the Executive Branch from scrutiny, and especially the WH when it has been in Democratic Party control, as the Democrats as well as the Republicans have been knee deep in this stuff.”
When I stay stuff, I mean the writing of OLC memos under Clinton that justified assassinations. For one thing, Clinton’s HEW secretary, Califano, was heavily involved in the anti-Castro covert ops back in the early-mid 1960s. These ops included assassination.
But where this the issue is really highlighted, of all places, is in the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Short version; Obama has the Democratic Senate votes to confirm Hagel and Brennan. He doesn’t have the Republican votes. He can count on the Republicans not to spill what was going on at Benghazi.
What will he do if Republicans continue to hold up the Hagel and Brennan nominations?
Yes, but it is a hell of a commentary: a democratic President doesn’t want to,tell his own party what he is doing. He is more comfortable with the republicans, Does that make him a republican? How will this play in his legacy of transparency ?
Someone please explain why, if Ron Wyden really cared about the memos,
he couldn’t place a hold on Brennan’s nomination?
Thanks for calling attention to this in the comments thread.
He has Republican senators who have threatened to hold up the nomination over Benghazi. He has at least two Democratic senators who have threatened to hold it up until they see memos. Together, this makes it impossible for a vote to happen where Brennan’s nomination would be approved in committee. He has to give something to one of the groups to get their votes. In this reported maneuver, we see how important it is to him to keep the Executive Branch from being scrutinized over assassinations.
I wonder why? He knows what has happened in secret wont stand the light of day. It goes beyond Alwaki.
Thanks for all the info, Kevin & everyone else.
Well well….
And so: on it goes….
P.S. To be cliche’d: don’t blame me, I sure as hell didn’t vote for the Assassinator in Chief, at least this time around.
Just one word for him: lowlife.
I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on behind the curtain. Some big money types is damn pissed off that Bamz “won,” and their fair-haired boy RMoney didn’t (despite all the vote-rigging & suppression they paid the Roverstir to do). So… here we are & someone’s rattling the chains. Why else would they oppose Brennan, who’s the Torturer in Chief?
Disgusting but interesting… they are all creepy creeps & run by spooks.
Does anyone have any idea what the Senate Committee on the Judiciary does any more?
Getting drunk at Oh Dark Thirty?
Legacy of transparency! It’s pretty damn transparent.
Oh you mean in actually putting out the detailed info that bores the bejeepers out of everyone but committed wonks.
Avoids mentioning anthrax.
Spooky government serving the upper crust for 50 years.
You could be right: he may not care about his,legacy. Bush doesn’t seem to have cared. But the wonks, like Kevin here, will most certainly not let history forget.
Well this group of spooks has been providing good services for the upper crust for 50+ years, but some other spooks were around in some fashion or another probably since the get-go.
W never gave a shit. He couldn’t wait to get offa the stage so he could get stinkin’ drunk 24/7/365. W was just a puppet of his daddykins.
Bamz, some of us reckon, could be a spook product from conception, which makes Bamz kinda sorta just like W… and hence their regimes have been so similar. But still some weird power stuff going on behind the scenes right now. Someone’s pissed off but don’t know why.
Yes. W wanted to be the toughest cowboy in town until the crash and then he wasn’t. I think Obama wants to be the cleverest mother in all fifty states– until one day he sees he is not.
Actually this is another exposure of the lack of policy difference between the two ‘parties’, and the seamless continuation of those policies between the two while marketing gins up the illusion of difference. Had Bishop Willard won ‘American Idol – Presidential Edition’ and nominated a Stasi Commandant to run the Praetorian Guard, the gnashing of teeth and beating of breasts would be from the Dims in the Kabuki of partisan entertainment.
C’mon Barry, just admit the Benghazi ‘Consulate’ was really a CIA rendition station and some of your more militant allies in the free Libyan oil from China campaign used the small riots about the film to launch their action to free their comrades.
Correct!
My opinion is that OPINION does not make Law. I have all kinds of opinions on all sorts of topics. Would you rather have my Opinion turned law or someone being paid/supported by outside nations and monied groups?
Go, Jeff!
My Legal Opinion is that all this killing no matter who orders it is ILLEGAL!
So he’ll put the clown suit back on and ride the tricycle through the republicans little humiliation obstacle course,rather than provide the legal basis for his drone terror program,(to members of HIS OWN PARTY) – His claim to have the authority to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime, so long as the victim can be checked off on his list of secret criteria. He must find that clown suit and tricycle very comfortable.
Kevin, you just love pushing our DiFi buttons, don’t you? gawd she makes me vomit
But you show very clearly how preznit is so addicted to his drone murders that he will gladly fuck his own party & the constitution to continue his robot killing spree. Preznit is a sociopath, let’s just admit it.
The reputations of the lawyers in the Office of White House Counsel and DOJ’s OLC were severely damaged when Shrub was finally forced to release the torture memos. A few of them, like Yoo (IIRC), faced scathing denunciations from their colleagues on the law school faculties they joined after their OLC careers. Another barely survived his confirmation to a Court of Appeals judgeship (name escapes me). And, of course, former AG Gonzalez couldn’t find work for years.
All of them will live on in infamy for their gutless, unscrupulous, cowardly ruination of 200 years of American and British legal precedent against torture.
So the lawyers who wrote the memos justifying drone assassinations, using the same shitty sophistry as the torture memo authors, are all desperate to avoid the naming & shaming that will inevitably result from disclosure of the drone memos. That’s who preznit is protecting, along with protecting himself for accepting such total horseshit as a basis for murdering Americans abroad.
No, that makes him a typical political asshat. Why people still talk about republicans and democrats, as if they are all not the same, is beyond me.
I’m so glad I didn’t vote him again. Whereas Bush was pissing me off weekly, Obama is pissing me off almost daily.
He needs two more Republican votes for cloture. After that, it’s just up or down. Disclosing more about Benghazi is almost certainly a dry hole. Indeed, I still can’t figure out what Republicans are hoping to find. Maybe they’re just hoping to get lucky while keeping their 72 IQ base agitated. The assassinations on the other hand are sure to be a stinking mess – the kind of mess that in another day and age would have led straight to impeachment.
Not well. His transparency is a load of….
I was gonna say his lack of transparency is extremely transparent.
Does that make sense to anybody else???
I agree. I’m fairly intelligent. I hand here and learn lots of stuff from the regulars who are very smart IMO. Every time I think I’ve figured out “the play”, Obama and his administration “call an audible” at the line and I’m toast. I’m just more disappointed in him every day. And I’m not alone.
Obama can share all of it. There won’t be consequences. The executive branch and Wall Street banks are above the law.
That was very well put. Excellent! Couldn’t agree more.
I am starting to think like the “Dixie Chicks”. Troubles me muchly.
Thanks for that.
The essence of law -legislation- is that it must be legible. Law is a set of rules that are written. You know the law because it can be read. Because it can be read, ignorance of the law is no excuse and so on. Conversely, a secret law is a rule of which everyone but the tyrant and his henchmen are ignorant. The precedent establishing a secret law is whatever the tyrant is thinking, this minute.
“Secret” law is no law at all. A government acting under color of “secret” law is no government at all. That is simply despotism gussied up with memos stamped “classified”. Under a regime of “secret” law, the laws and the normal rule of law are superseded by one overarching principle: fear the tyrant and do nothing that risks his displeasure.
Do not go down the road of “secret” law, America. You will not find your way back.
I haven’t been outraged this much in quite some time. I try to just ignore all the heinous shit because what can I DO? I wrote Wyden who is my senator advising him to not confirm Brennan. I watched every second of the Kabuki hearing. Wyden’s direct question was about the only one that mattered.
YES, you stupid Republicons it’s more important to know about Benghazi than the reasons that the president can kill you just because he says so. I have never seen more dire civil rights matters than this.
The long precedent. I didn’t go to law school so it’s amazing I can figure this out and these great leaders cannot. It will be set and affect if not our lives, most probably our children and certainly our grandchildren.
Such gutless fools that can’t see past their own pork bellies of cowardice and greed.
PS Kudos to this piece for it’s true description of the “Democrat” Feinstein. Nice to see someone call her out.
I like your post also. I too am outraged at our government. THis is some serious shit.
Can’t disagree with that assessment.
Kevin, I’ve been hesitant to bring some things to your forum, until such time I began to see a..well, for lack of a better term, a somewhat “consensus” of opinion on current events that you yourself present as investigative journalism.
It is in that regard, that I would now like to share some other investigative journalism that have roots that are relevant to everything happening at the moment. I do this to provide a little background for people who are new to the…well, let’s just call it the “covenant” for now. And please, what I am providing at the moment is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. But it will illuminate the scope of things unbeknownst to most here. In that regard, let me start with this quote from “The Last Circle”.
quote:”By 1965 , Wackenhut was boasting to potential investors that the company maintained files on 2.5 million suspected dissidents one in 46 American adults then living.”unquote
http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/circle!.htm
If that statement alone isn’t enough to make you at least curious..then I suggest you start researching PROMIS…or Ptech, as most people have not spent the last 10yrs researching the Octopus as I have. Here is a little background. You can take it from there.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/052401_promis.html
However, for those who chose to open Pandora’s box, I suggest you be prepared for some reality checks, as there is enough background on the net to connect more dots than you can possibly imagine. Like this.
http://www.dunwalke.com/
That link alone will initiate those who are naive to the underpinnings of today’s events and is staggering in it’s connection of dots. Good luck.
You are naive. See post 41 and visit those sites and read till you bleed. Then you will begin to understand why these “great leaders” know EXACTLY what they are doing.
Bravo. Your assessment is dead on. However, there is much more to this. See Post 41.
Change that to “The Most Opaque and Unconstitutional Administration in the History of the United States” and they’ll have an honest and accurate claim.
Sorry to see this horsetrade.
The two issues (drone policy and Benghazi) are unrelated.
Americans MUST have the right to due process, and a nation with a secret law on whom their President can kill is a DICTATORSHIP with unlimited powers – let’s not parse words.
That said, I find in equally troubling that the WRONG QUESIONS are raised re Benghazi. With the long history of initiating governmental overthrows by staging (OK, FAKING) citizen uprising, I am troubled that the issue of what SO MANY CIA agents were doing in Benghazi, why there was NO BENGHAZI conculate/embassy/foreign office before 9/11/2012, and so many of us were seeing weapons smuggling out of Benghazi, even identifying the outlier compound BEFORE the Stevens attack. And so many papers comment on the local stories contradicting the official one (Reuters,McClatchy and UK Telegraph) the NEXT DAY that there was no protest/ riot (NOT A SINGLE PROTESTOR) but clearly marked militia surrounding the compound (100-150) with heavy arms WHILE Stevens was still talking to Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin. What gives? Especially since BOTH the NYTimes and the Washington Post have publically announced they are not going to discuss the weapons smuggling, due to a WH request. Has Firedoglake ALSO made such an agreement?
In June, 2012 Eric Schmitt was reporting about weapons smuggling.
C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
By ERIC SCHMITT NYT June 21, 2012
Shortly after the Benghazi attack, Eric Schmitt reported being muzzled by the NYTImes and the Obama administration:
“From among these buildings, the C.I.A. personnel carried out their secret missions. The New York Times agreed to withhold locations and details of these operations at the request of Obama administration officials, who said that disclosing such information could jeopardize future sensitive government activities and put at risk American personnel working in dangerous settings.”
Deadly Attack in Libya Was Major Blow to C.I.A. Efforts
By ERIC SCHMITT, HELENE COOPER and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Published: September 23, 2012 260 Comments