
US Attorney General Eric Holder (Photo from C-SPAN)
Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, who sent three letters to CIA director nominee John Brennan requesting an answer on “whether the president has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a US citizen on US soil,” finally received an answer from Attorney General Eric Holder. The answer indicates the administration of President Barack Obama does, in fact, believe it has the power to assassinate US citizens on US soil with lethal force.
Holder, after a few paragraphs contextualizing his ultimate answer, told Paul in a letter:
…It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the President could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001…
Paul reacted, “The US Attorney General’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans.”
Though Holder noted the country’s “long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located” in America “who pose a threat to the United States” and he contended “the use of military force” would be rejected “where well-established law enforcement authorities in the country provide the best means for incapacitating the terrorist threat,” the mere fact that his answer was a yes is outrageous. However, it fits the framework for fighting a permanent global “War on Terrorism” without any geographical limitations, which the Obama administration has maintained it has the authority to wage.
Guardian writer Glenn Greenwald, speaking at the Freedom to Connect conference, said today, “There is a theoretical framework being built that posits that the US Government has unlimited power, when it comes to any kind of threats it perceives, to take whatever action against them that it wants without any constraints or limitations of any kind.”
Paul had to send three letters to Brennan and the question had to be raised by someone in a Google+ chat with the president before the Obama administration would give something resembling an appropriate answer because, as Greenwald suggested saying “yes” would “illustrate the real radicalism that the government has embraced in terms of how it uses its own power.” If they said “no,” it would “jeopardize this critical theoretical foundation that they very carefully have constructed that says there are no cognizable constraints on how US government power can be asserted.”
As it turns out, Holder, the Justice Department and the wider Obama administration opted to not jeopardize the framework.
FBI Director Robert Mueller, around one year ago, was asked in a congressional hearing by Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ga.) whether current policy would permit the killing of US citizens on US soil. It was just after Holder had given a speech at Northwestern University highlighting the president’s legal authority to use targeted killings. Mueller answered, “I have to go back. Uh, I’m not certain whether that was addressed or not.” Graves followed up and asked, if “from a historical perspective,” the federal government had “the ability to kill a US citizen on United States soil or just overseas.” Mueller’s answer was, “I’m going to defer that to others in the Department of Justice.”
Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley reacted, “He appeared unclear whether he had the power under the Obama Kill Doctrine or, in the very least, was unwilling to discuss that power. For civil libertarians, the answer should be easy: ‘Of course, I do not have that power under the Constitution.’”
Brennan sent a letter to Paul, which stated, “The agency I have been nominated to lead, the CIA, does not conduct lethal operations inside the United States—nor does it have any authority to do so. Thus, if I am fortunate enough to be confirmed as CIA Director, I would have no “power” to authorize such operations.”
Thus, it appears the CIA would not be carrying out operations if the assassination of a person was authorized, but, perhaps, a US military force would carry out the operation instead.
The scenario where Holder suggests the president might authorize a targeted killing operation is similar to the “ticking time bomb” scenario officials from the administration of President George W. Bush touted to justify having the power to torture. The rationale was that someone has information about an imminent terror plot so interrogators must torture that person to get that person to talk.
In this case, the Obama administration claims the unlimited and unconstrained power to authorize the assassination of a person in extraordinary circumstances because that could be the “only” way to get a person perceived to have been responsible for a “catastrophic attack.”
Upon further examination, the circumstance where this authority is claimed is peculiar. Holder is saying the president might use it after and not before an attack. If there was a person about to engage in a terror attack, that person might not be subject to a targeted killing, but, after the attack occurred, a person could be targeted and killed. It seems like if one was going to claim this totalitarian power they would claim the power to prevent the “catastrophic attack.”
Additionally, when America has already been attacked and the media is covering the carnage and destruction and politicians or leaders are committing themselves to retaliation or vengeful justice, the president may need to authorize the killing of some US citizen on US soil, who may have been responsible. But, remember, the attack happened. Intelligence agencies missed the fact that this person, who is now being targeted, was going to attack. What intelligence or information do they have to kill him? Is it hearsay from victims nearby the site of the attack? Did some bystander suggest the person was talking about attacking the United States? How does the US government have a target so quickly in the aftermath? Assuming “terrorists” would want to attack populated areas to create the most damage and cause the most deaths, why wouldn’t law enforcement or SWAT teams be able to be deployed to capture without using some kind of premeditated authorization to assassinate a person?
There may never be a targeted killing of a US citizen on US soil and the question of whether a US citizen could be targeted and killed on US soil may remain a hypothetical question for some time, but the fact that the Obama administration has told a US senator there is a circumstance where the government could target and kill someone, who is a citizen, on US soil without charge or trial is a stark example of the imperial presidency. It is an example of how there is, for the most part, no power to violate civil liberties or human rights the president won’t claim in order to respond to “threats” however it chooses.
Already, under the guise of the fight against terrorism, the government has expanded a Surveillance State and protected its authority to eavesdrop and spy on US citizens. It has asserted the power to put people on lists to prevent Americans from traveling on the basis that they may pose some threat (except those put on lists do not typically get to know why they are being put on the list nor do they really get to challenge their listing). The power to seize electronic devices at the US border in suspicionless searches has claimed. Strip-searches without suspicion or probable cause can be carried out by authorities at airports on the basis that one’s skin color or nationality makes them look like a “threat.” Legislation containing a provision could allow the military to indefinitely detain a person without charge or trial has been defended in US courts by the Obama administration. And now, in “extraordinary circumstances,” the president has the authority to kill US citizens on US soil.
An example of ”extraordinary” was given, but is that all? Only after a catastrophic attack? What’s extraordinary? The elasticity or vagueness of that definition would reveal much about the probability of whether the assassination of a US citizen suspected of posing a “threat” could take place in the not-so-distant future.




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WTFWTN. Worse Than Nixon.I still refuse to think of this as Law. A legal opinion, drafted behind the doors of Congress and out of their sight, where they don’t even KNOW what the documents say is not Law.
They crafted these opinions from the AUMF, Patriot Act, and a few other “national security” opinions and looped them all around to come up with this.
Barbara Lee has resubmitted a bill to congress to repeal the AUMF,”Authorization for Military Force”, H.R. 198. We should all write snail mail and bombard DC with letters they can’t easily ignore in their Capitol Hill offices.
Support her and this bill to stop the insanity:
Amazing. Not just the idea of targeting someone but the old “collateral” damage thing. This is very sick thinking.
Any attorney that writes an opinion that supports Holder’s position should be immediately disbarred. There is no conceivable way this is Constitutional. Acts like those described are the reason we made a Constitution—to prevent such power from being exercised, or even contemplated. Holder will go down in history as the worst A.G. ever in this country.
Holder’s analogy is to attacks in flight.
What about a literal interpretation of Rand Paul’s question regarding “on US soil” ?
Does Holder speak for Brennan?
I’m still curious to know if multiple agencies (Justice, CIA, Defense, Homeland, etc.) have the right to kill me when the POTUS issues a fiat naming me a “terrorist.”
Out of nominal amounts of interest, but how was 11th Sept. a ‘catastrophic attack’? Dreadful for all those involved, but hardly an existential threat moment. Even Pearl Harbor didn’t suggest the immediate demise of the United States.
PlaceHolder might want to contemplate history, in between ass-kissing.
And how exactly does Holder suggest that he would “advise” the POTUS in a situation similar to Pearl Harbor or 9/11?
On 9/11, Bush had about 30 minutes or so, right? First plane hit at 8:38am, IIRC. Bush learned a few minutes later… probably after the second plane? Around 8:50am or so? Then during the next 20 or 30 minutes, Bush could’ve acted.
Holder is basically suggesting that in that 30 minutes, he’d be able to gather / assimilate / process data… then make a recommendation to the POTUS. And of course, with Pearl Harbor, the time was probably even shorter than that (between first sighting / time that FDR was notified AND the final plane crashing).
But Holder will be able to act?
Or maybe Holder already has his game plan in place?
If so, what is it Eric?
Repeal of the AUMF needs to happen. Now.
I found a two minute vid of Alec Baldwin playing Eric Holder… or maybe it’s Obama that he’s playing? Not sure. But I think it’s a very telling clip.
Repeal of AUMF sounds good to me. What’s the likely pushback?
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Holder must have been reading Abraham Lincoln’s AG’s briefs.
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Mojo’s Adam Serwer wrote a great article too… Obama Administration Says President Can Use Lethal Force Against Americans on US Soil…
Who’s first?
The FINANCIAL TERRORISTS OF WALL STREET?
Nope, it’s all those ‘illegals’…!
Obamanation clearly sees himself as dictator. Repeal the AUMF, impeach the unconstitutional traitor.
Well,since lets take this to it’s logical conclusion,since the Attorney General thinks Obama has the right to kill anyone anytime,does it also follow that he has the right to RAPE any American ?
I think Sadaam’s sons claim these special powers also.The right to Rape any Iraqi woman.This is absolutely how far down the shit pile he have journeyed.
Check out the irony coming from an AA president & AA Attorney General.
Let’s say an American had hijacked a FedEx jet and was flying it into the Capitol building?
Is the only allowed response to arrest the American terrorist if he survives the crash because use of military force against an American citizen in the US is unconstitutional?
If 911 could have been mitigated by Air Force fighters shooting down the hijacked jets, would that have been unconstitutional and they could only be allowed to fly into the WTC?
Eric Holder, Obama’s Frank Nitti.
Hey bagger, shouldn’t you be out dancing in the streets “celebrating” the death of Hugo Chavez?
Hints are that anti-aircraft defenses are already stationed in Washington against air attacks on key government buildings.
If you were in the Capitol Building protesting, would you object to them being used to stop a plane hitting it?
That was the purpose of my question about Rand Paul’s question re: on US soil.
If Bush had taken down the Pentagon-bound jet with fighters, I would’ve been disappointed in many ways… but not angry.
Holder failed to answer Sen. Paul’s question about soil.
fixed.
I’m a liberal. I understand the law is what Congress passes and the President signs, and in September 2001, Congress declared unending global war on scary individuals with virtually no votes in opposition, and the bill to end that war has never gotten a committee hearing and has no public support that will bring any action.
I believe in the US Constitution.
You do not seem to.
You are arguing as if a small minority of unelected elites who aren’t in government are the ones who should decide what is and isn’t valid law.
Under the rule of law shouldn’t the answer to the question of what should happen in these “extraordinary circumstances” and “ticking time bomb” situations be:
If the President finds himself in a situation so implausible and so dire an existential threat to the people of the United States, that the only available solution is to act in a way that’s contrary to our Constitution and our laws, then he would be prepared to accept the consequences of those actions, trusting that the prosecuting authority, the judgement of his peers, public opinion, and history will treat him fairly.
Rather than “If the President does it it’s not illegal”
Let’s start with Holder.
Ok, fine, a hiker on the National Mall with a backpack nuke.
Nuclear waste on the Mall from a drone strike is probably better than a everything in a mile radius destroyed by a nuclear explosion.
It was the prospect of such events that Congress declared unending global war on scary individuals in September 2001.
No rule of law. No legitimacy. Society has become increasingly fragile, and the next time a major crisis happens the people just won’t have any inclination to pull the asses of the elites out of the fire.
Rome didn’t fall when the barbarians arrived at the gates; it fell when the citizens welcomed them inside.
Ditto MaryM in IL @ 26.
Obama has never answered the question as to whether he believes himself to be acting under the AUMF or Article II.
Your interpretation of the AUMF as giving any President the right to kill anyone anywhere, subject to no other law of the land including the Constitution, may be satisfactory to you, but Obamas interpretation of the law is a secret, unknown to the Congress, the courts, or the people of this country.
As such, it does not meet the definition of the rule of law.
So the Nobel Peace Prize winner reserves the right to assassinate Americans anywhere, even within our borders.
Change and Hope.
Forward.
…Ok, fine, a hiker on the National Mall with a backpack nuke…
*whew* Put down that remote control and get some fresh air…! 8-(
Just words as you well know.
The only question I have is when did he agree to become the fascist frontman for TPTB?
College? Chicago? Washington?
Aaron Swartz’ prosecution and death must be investigated with ABSOLUTELY NO ASSUMPTIONS.
Hey that didn’t take long! We all now draw breath at the sufferance of President For Life Obama – or one of his “trusted” but unnamed officials (Mr. President For Life is very busy, after all, saving the country and can’t be expected to personally give a ruling on every little thing.)
Are you kidding? This administration makes Nixon seem like a boy scout.
I would say WTB&C (Worse Than Bush & Cheney).
http://freelightnow.bandcamp.com/track/liberty-in-rags
> I’m a liberal.
I don’t think so.
> I believe in the US Constitution.
Do you believe that any law that is passed by Congress and signed by the president is therefore automatically Constitutional?
Good freakin’ grief …
… and all the other attacks by the great unwashed who apparently didn’t get that “Stop Re-litigating The Past” directive from the unitary executive the first time around — when it was conveniently white and conveniently Republican …
*shakes head*
With pure unadulterated house-wiggers like him and Obama, who really needs rightwing scapegoats, especially well-greased, well-enabled, often-rewarded and carefully cultivated and calibrated ones whose existence on the AM radio waves have been socialized for the last 40 years?!?
They used the Jack Bauer, ticking time bomb, excuse for torture and now it returns to justify murdering citizens in the Homeland. This is lazy logic about events that never happen in real life but that is the best they can do to justify their deranged ideas.
WTB
What is the difference between depriving people of their lives in violation of the Constitution in California versus in Baja California?
FYI The Constitution does not distinguish on the basis of geography.
Whatever the U.S. government may do Constitutionally in Pakistan, it may do Constitutionally in downtown Manhattan. Conversely, if the Constitution prohibits an action by the U.S. in downtown Manhattan, it is also Constitutionally prohibited in Bagram.
Preventing 911 bears no resemblance to serial drone killing.
Please find a better analogy.
How about when his supposedly wildly liberal mom was working with Geithner’s paw?
Some even say his grandpappy was not a furniture salesman apparently afflicted with the kind of wanderlust that takes one’s wife and young daughter from Wichita, Kansas to California (where Grandpa is supposedly attending Berkeley), to Oklahoma, then to Texas, and then to El Dorado, Kansas and then to Seattle, and then to Mercer Island and finally to Hawaii (before it became a state), all before Obama’s ma turns 18.
I would say that he decided to seek the Presidency by the time he was graduated from Harvard Law School, if not before.
Just speculation, of course, except for Mom’s involvement with the Ford Foundation and Pappy Geithner is supposedly fact,
Hard to tell what is fact and what is fiction, since his supposedly autobiographical works contain quite a bit of fiction, by his own admission.
“I am afraid that anyone that appeals directly to the president (the temporary manager and front face of the U.S. Empire) has become infantilized politically.”
–So true as to be axiomatic.
The concept of ‘infantilization’ is a good one, but in truth, that too assumes that a ‘real’ politics actually exists in America, even in a sophomoric or regressively juvenile form.
This, of course, is not inclusive of fascist politics, whose perennial ‘evergreen’ vibrancy is tapped in at the source to the very well springs of the American psyche and spirit, accounting for its immanence.
Evidence of this permanent vacuity is in even writing the ‘appeal’ to the state terrorist Obama to begin with. It is proof of the terminal impotency of ‘Progressivism,’ and its inane failure to recognize that it is conceptually spent as an actionable ideology.
Why should one even think of ‘appealing’ to Neo fascists and war criminals, unless one enjoys a morbid self-abasement and conferring upon oneself nothing but a self induced disrespect?
It is inconceivable that one does not know in advance the appeal will accomplish nothing? Then why, pray tell, would one even write it? Truly, a theater of the absurd!
One day it will be recognized that even tertiary participation in the institutional conventions of the American Empire–its bogus ‘political appurtenances’–are tacitly collaborative and supportive, enabling the very evils one believes one opposes.
But then everyone enjoys circle jerks, and this insipid letter to the imperial procurer and war criminal, is exactly that.
“Dear Mr. President,” my ass. Proceed forthwith to the vomitorium, if one does not drown in blood first!
“Stop shaking the tyrant’s bloody robes in my face, or I will believe that you wish to put Rome in chains.”
–(Maxamillien Robespierre, “Virtue and Terror.”)
Whatever you want to call it, its here.
First, they don’t care what you and I say. Its moot. Words have no bearing on what they do. They already control what the MSM says and have already struck fear into enough people that the “wrong” things aren’t spoken by the masses.
They make war at will. They print money at will. A few corporations control the banks, medicine, media and food. They also operate with no oversight, poisoning people, the economy and the environment–at will. You and me, are simply a means to make money off. Warm bodies to to simply run products through–trinkets for our amusement, processed and factory-farmed/frankenfoods to keep us alive, and media to see that we are kept both violent and fearful. We are not human to them in any moral sense. We are human petri dishes for them for exploitation.
Our political process offers no control over them, no choice of an alternative. If someone makes it through, they are rendered ineffective–or in some cases, disposed of. No one represents the majority. Worse, they operate on a global scale, directing their operations electronically–from the highest ground possible:space. They operate with deadly force and ambivalence towards the people afflicted by their greed of money and insane lust for power.
If its not fascism, or a new strain of it, exactly what is it, then? We probably need a new description/term at this point, anyway.
And we’re out of time–completely.
The militia movement is justified.
Bravo!
Speaking of letters and infantile “pwogwessivism,” how many members of the pwogwessive coalition have failed to sign the Grayson letter refusing to support cuts to social insurance programs?
I don’t follow. But for clarity, my point was not to distinguish among national boundaries. My point was to distinguish between attacks by:
1) people literally standing on US soil; and
2) people flying in US airspace.
Without having fully considered this, on the surface, I don’t think many police departments have appropriate technology (airplanes or drones, etc.) to address the 9/11 hijacked planes or the Pearl Harbor Kamikaze pilots. Yet on US soil, I’m *guessing* that most Police Dept’s have teams and existing protocols to address the “lone wolf.” I mean, how many TV shows & movies have been made where the police captain tells the police officer to “take the shot” when the bad guy has a gun to the head of an innocent?
And if my *hunch* is correct, then why the heck would the POTUS ever be involved?
Holder’s world of make-believe is condescending to me and, IMO, toward much of the well-trained, hard-working local & state law enforcement community across the US.
Or maybe Holder should name the town where they have inadequate training to deal with such situations.
Fascists……..
Eric Holder should familiarize himself with the Posse Comitatus Act.
Go Rand Paul! I hope Ron Wyden joins him on the floor… at least for bathroom breaks!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ummm, I’ll posthumously defer your theoretical answer to 16-year-old American citizen Abdulrahman al-Awlaki for his opinion. I’m sure he’ll forgive Obomination since he was on foreign soil.
Rule of law. Priceless.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. If we had the rule of law and a President acted as happened in the cases of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, the President would be held to account in an actual court of law. I’m arguing that we have a lack of accountability, a lack of the rule of law. Instead we have a corrupt system of people saying stupid thing that sound “law-ish” but are in fact lawless, and no accountability, in case that wasn’t obvious.
Fascentrists.
You have to admit they’re very slick and corporate looking, and don’t go around wearing Boy Scout uniforms like the Fascists in the history books. They are uniformed like lawyers rather than paramilitaries.
> Fascentrists
Perfect!
Nice modification….
This is what they want to obliterate. As I recall this restriction came about from civil war, coal wars…. Energy? Please correct me if wrong!
James Madison. Corporations and National Security. Aka Corporate Sodomy…..