Senator Rand Paul took to the floor of the Senate on Wednesday to filibuster John Brennan’s nomination to the position of CIA chief. He decided to engage in a “talking” filibuster because he believed Attorney General Eric Holder had not given a clear and unequivocal answer to the question of whether a US citizen suspected of terrorism, who posed no immediate threat, could be killed by a drone strike on US soil.
In the first hour, this author’s writing was cited:
PAUL: Kevin Gosztola who writes at FireDogLake, writes the mere fact that the President’s answer to this question, whether you can kill an American on American soil, that the President’s answer was yes is outrageous. However, it fits the framework for fighting a permanent global war on terrorism without any geographic limitations, which the present administration, President Obama’s administration has maintained that it has the authority to wage. What’s important here is that we’re talking about a war without geographic limitations, but we’re also talking about a war without temporal limitations. There is no limit, no limit in time to this war. When will this war end? It’s a war that has, I think, an infinite timeline. So if you’re going to suspend your rights, if there is going to be no geographic limits to killing, which really means we’re not at war in Afghanistan, we’re at war everywhere and everybody that pops up is called al-Qaida now, whether they have ever heard of al-Qaida or not, whether they have any communication with some kind of network of al-Qaida, everybody is al-Qaida, but there is a new war or an ongoing war everywhere in the world, there is no limitations.
What Paul read was from a post I had written the day before on a letter Holder sent to Paul “answering” his question as to whether it would be permissible for the president to authorize a drone strike on a US citizen on US soil. He received an answer that was not a clear “yes” or “no” but, when read, it was clear Holder had said there are cases where we could use a drone to target and kill a US citizen.
Paul continued to read from the post I had written. Later, in his filibuster, he read articles or posts from Guardian writer Glenn Greenwald, The Atlantic‘s Conor Friedersdorf, Wired’s Spencer Ackerman and Noah Schachtman, The Esquire‘s Charles Pierce, Council on Foreign Relations’ writer Micah Zenko and the Center for Constitutional Rights’ Vince Warren. He read from Greg Miller of The Washington Post‘s series on the development of a “disposition matrix” and a counterterror “playbook” for drones.
The citation of the work of journalists and writers led The Nation’s Jeremy Scahill, who has produced remarkable work on drones, to say on Twitter that Paul was demonstrating the “public service of journalism.”
There were parts of the filibuster where Paul, along with colleagues like Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, were going on about conservative, libertarian or free market ideas that seemed to have little to no connection to the issue of the president’s claimed authority to execute and kill people without charge or trial. During the final hours of the filibuster, it seemed Cruz was filibustering Rand Paul’s filibuster, as he spoke from the floor for at least an hour about Texas standing up to a world court and his adoration for Barry Goldwater. But, when Paul was referencing writers who have spent hours upon hours considering the implications of the Obama administration’s drone policy, the points he was making about the use of drones and why Americans should be concerned were cogent and clear.



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Stay safe and alert my friend;)
Guess the Benghazi witch hunt didn’t work out for Rand.
Wake me when it’s over.
(edited) It was Rubio with the street cred, quoting Jay Z, Wid Khalifa and other cultural icons, I was not watching. Assuming this is the same filibluster.
Glad your writing on this is now part of the Congressional Record, we need more of this!
Filibusters to get some length throw the kitchen sink at the issue before they start winding toward confused and irrelevant and end up reading Shakespeare or the NY phone book just fill the time.
At least Rand Paul’s aides know how to use Google and put similar articles together. Cruz, on the other hand is just a dangerous rhetorical bomb-thrower out to make a name for himself with anything he can demagogue.
Glad your pieces and the others you cite got put before Congress. But GOP criticism keeps flipping between al Quaeda and the Cold War and it focused on the personality of the President instead of the laws that they had a hand in passing.
The Jane Fonda question was the right one, but too many in Congress and the country would answer it “Hell yes. Get me that Hellfire missile.”
While I appreciated that the batshit crayzee wing of the R party filibustered on drones and really love that Kevin’s work was read on the floor, I wish every filibuster was a speaking filibuster so the country could see teh crayzee speak every time there was obstruction to reasonable legislation or nominations.
If you listened to Rand Paul last night he has no problem with predator drones over America.
Just with Obama controlling it.
As much as I would like to applaud him I think it was all an act to get his father’s followers back who denounced him this year for the crap votes he made and the crap positions he took.
Well sooprise sooprise sooprise. A Congresscritter with more than two neurons between his ears, and the guts to go with them. Kudo’s to Paul for laying it on the line. The executive will NOT tell us anything unless they are forced, and he is the first Congressman willing to do what it takes, Wyden notwithstanding. Furthermore, his quoting from journalists such as yourself to reinforce his stance, shows the extent of the importance of your work Kevin. Kudo’s to you and the other journalists as well.
btw, I too despised Paul’s stance on other issues.
Was glad to hear Kevin cited as an authority on this, even if almost in the next paragraph, Ayn Rand was being cited for her work. Strange new world.
I was explaining to a doctrinaire young Democrat yesterday at the start of the filibuster that by the time he is my age, very, very small drones will be capable of flying into his ear and entering his blood stream, without his knowledge.
And, in response to another Alaska Democrat, who was clearly upset that anyone dared to raise questions about Obama’s wisdom, especially wingnuts like Paul and Cruz, I wrote:
At least Cruz defended the 2nd Amendment’s “shall not infringe” during the ongoing gun ban debate.
Interesting that these legislators (and/or staffs) read liberal blogs, etc. It serves his purpose, of course – as well they read the comments.
Be careful Kevin – I see the positive side but….
And you have been doing terrific work here and in other areas. Proud of you.
Oxymoron alert.
Meanwhile, Rand and the Teabags are legislatively drone bombing the US back to the Stone Age.
It is very telling that only one Democrat joined Paul’s effort. I have no doubt that if the roles had been reversed, many Democrats and only Rand Paul would have been filibustering a Republican president’s nomination of Brennan and the president’s assertion of unconstitutional, dictatorial powers. Both political parties are worthless. They both are deeply partisan and unprincipled.
I am now certain that we need to get rid of elections and go to a system of the random selection of representatives. In each district, a list of randomly selected names would be compiled and you would go down that list until you found someone willing and able to serve for a limited term. Lobbying, beyond a constituent writing to or speaking with a representative, would be illegal.
That’s irrelevant to the matter at hand.
I missed much of the filibuster but heard Paul say in an off mike/not really off mike comment to his staff “get more articles on personal liberty” so I was hoping they might use some of your posts.
Americans can differ on many issues but some have to be written in stone or not open to interpretation. You don’t need Durbin to have a committee meeting to discuss 2+2=4 or whether or not due process can be ignored by the President.
You know, your whole attitude reflects a total lack of principle and a total devotion to your political tribe. How are you any better than the useful idiots in the tea party?
I’d rather have a drone flatten me than watch the Tea Party co-opt the issue and exploit it.
I’d rather see liberals standing up for the rule of law than see them trashing others for doing so.
I’m fine with Liberals standing up for the rule of law. Rand Paul could care less about the rule of law. The Benghazi witch hunt didn’t work out so he’s moved on to this as a means to oppose Obama. If it gets the job done, fine with me. Rand can take a bow for accomplishing something in spite of his obvious motive, and screw off.
I think the main point about the subject of this post, Rand Paul quoting Kevin, is that while his work at FDl is particularly outstanding, what we say on this site does get around.
For example, as I’ve previously noted a number of times, our diaries tend to score high on internet searches. And just the other day I noticed that a link to my post on the turmoil at the University of Virginia appeared at nakedcapitalism.com (which despite its name is not all that radical a site as it’s been quoted by Paul Krugman, for example).
We should take heart and “keep on bloggin’.”
Hear Hear. You all contribute to important discussions and America will not always be a Corporate dominated oligarchy.
How the hell did you get that idea?
You see the positive side but…? What?
Reminds me of a sigline I once used: “In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.”
Bingo.
By the way, there are a number of Republicans on Capitol Hill who want Obama impeached, and are casting about for a plausible reason. Benghazi didn’t work out, but they’ll come up with something. Especially if the Democrats get their hind ends kicked in the 2014 midterms.
Tribalism. You’ve proved my point.
At some point we are all on the same side, didn’t you see Independence Day?
He said it. It was in the evening I believe around 8-9pm.
He said he has no problem with drones being used in the United States. Just Obama picking the targets.
It’s too bad people don’t react in a similar way to global warming, which isn’t a creation of Hollywood scriptwriters.
It’s actually amazing. And great exposure for the above journalists.
I hope it helps to wake some people up.
They aren’t alone.
Sweet props on the shout out. Keep it up!
I don’t see the filibuster on CSPAN.
If it comes up I’ll look for it.
Why did I start getting suspicious about the filibuster?
Rand Paul is scum. He wants power. Period. And this was a way to get his father’s followers back who ditched him this year.
So I started listening carefully. And he clearly said he had no problem with predator drones being used in America.
How much money could have been made betting that Rand Paul would read a Gostola article on drones on the Senate floor? Any bets that Obama will invite Kevin to sit in the front row at his next press conference?
You know what’s really crazy? Killing innocent people via drones simply because they’re foreigners and might someday breed future foreigners who hate Amerikans for killing them via drones in the first place. And this scenario is coming to a US neighborhood near you soon.
Absurd on every level.
I’d submit they’ve already tested it. Conspiracy theory notwithstanding, I wouldn’t put anything past these creeps. However, they WILL do it at some point, just for drill if nothing else.
to Kevin at 24
I’m paranoid about an enemies’ list. Call me crazy.
Hey, I’m with you… I just wish all filibusters were speaking filibusters so that crazy R’s were required to demonstrate their stupidity on issues that don’t matter as much as drones. Just sayin’
At the risk of speaking for someone else, I dare say Mr. Gosztola isn’t afraid of that. Or maybe he does feel fear but his dedication to the truth and belief in the importance of disseminating it overrides that fear. That’s a big part of how/why he thinks and writes such great stuff. Long may it continue, and may he be an example to all of us.
Great work again, Kevin. Keep putting it in the face of the partisans: if you’re really dedicated to good policy & politics, you don’t care who presents it. That’s an epiphenomenon.
Well, I didn’t say he was paranoid – I am. But I certainly admire him and agree with your assessment.
Manning and Wikileaks are such important targets for USG persecution that you’ve got to figure any journalist who covers those subjects is going to be under some serious surveillance. If I were Kevin, I wouldn’t jaywalk.
You did a pretty good job of speaking for me.
Thanks Kevin,
I appreciate your writing as it seems harder and harder for people to see beyond partisan D and R politics. In a time when their is no meaningful difference other then one side is theocratic and will Ayn Rand your ass and the other is just useless. This to me is almost more alarming then the by-partisan destruction of the rule of law, The Great Writ. People seem unable to look at what is being done to human and civil rights, globally and here in der Homeland in the name of the Orwellian GWOT. Instead most focus on the absurd political kabuki show that pits teh evil maniac Republicans as the enemy while ignoring the fact that the Democrats are much better at implementing the same agenda. I do not care whether Rand Paul is a freaking lunatic on most matters or what his callous political motivation is at least he mounted a real filibuster and objected to this odious nomination. Where was Bernie? hummmm…Thanks again for your writing on civil liberties or any subject you take on.
Im not a libertarian, just a liberal lapsed Democrat who has let go of the fictitious political spectrum until it offer humans something that isn’t anti-democratic and more then varying shades of nasty ass fascism.