Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, upset about not being provided with memos containing the legal justification for targeted killing operations, such as drone strikes, was apparently told by President Barack Obama not to worry because he is not Vice President Dick Cheney.
POLITICO reports:
…[N]ear the outset of his closed-door session with the Senate Democratic conference on Tuesday, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) confronted the president over the administration’s refusal for two years to show congressional intelligence committees Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel memos justifying the use of lethal force against American terror suspects abroad…
Obama apparently responded, “This is not Dick Cheney we’re talking about here.” He argued his administration was “more open to oversight than that of President George W. Bush, whom many Democratic senators attacked for secrecy and for expanding executive power in the national security realm.” He also said, as if it was some kind of valid justification for secrecy, he was “not involved in drafting such memos.”
This is the “Trust Us” defense for secrecy. It is in line with what Attorney General Eric Holder said to Republican Representative Ted Cruz when he was asked about whether it would be legal to target American citizens on United States soil. Holder said it would be inappropriate. But, the trustworthiness of an administration should never justify keeping official interpretations of the law secret.
Who is deciding whether the administration is trustworthy? In this case, it is Obama, a key beneficiary of keeping the legal basis for targeted killing secret. Secrecy ensures there is no scandal or controversy he has to confront as president.
Incidentally, Cheney has praised Obama’s use of drones. “I think it’s a good program and I don’t disagree with the basic policy that the Obama administration is pursuing,” he said in an interview on CBS’ ”This Morning” in February. He also “endorsed the drone strike against Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen living in Yemen, saying ‘he was clearly part of al-Qaeda.’”
Cheney also said in a January 2011 interview on NBC, “In terms of a lot of the terrorism policies — the early talk, for example, about prosecuting people in the CIA who’ve been carrying out our policies — all of that’s fallen by the wayside. I think he’s learned that what we did was far more appropriate than he ever gave us credit for while he was a candidate.”
Natasha Lennard of Salon appropriately characterized this reported remark from Obama:
It’s the sort of defense Dick Cheney would probably use, were he not already Dick Cheney.
Aside from the fact that the Obama administration’s shadow drone wars are comparable to Bush-era programs of rendition and wiretapping in terms of secrecy and extrajudicial executive action, the president’s reference to the former V.P. is in itself troubling. It invokes the same race-to-the-bottom, “at least the other guy is worse” logic that saw many dejected liberals trudge reluctantly to the voting booths for Obama last November. What a sad political epoque — when not being literally the worst, not being Dick Cheney — is a defense. [emphasis added]
Aren’t drones a part of a race-to-the-bottom for American empire? It is politically untenable and increasingly difficult on a practical level to occupy countries and wage open-ended conflicts. Within the framework of the Global War on Terrorism, drone warfare has been adopted as the alternative. And officials, including Obama, have said we can either have large-scale occupations or we can use flying killer robots to target and kill people in any country where we deem it necessary to launch such strikes.
Drone Wars are better than Wars for Occupation, where nation-building is likely to falter as it did in Iraq. Obama is better because he is not Dick Cheney.
This is the false choice. There is no other option framed in the debate. The American people—and more importantly, the citizens of countries being bombed by drones—can either have an openly proud tyrant who dictates national security policy or a cold, calculating pragmatist who is perceived to have a better moral center than Dick Cheney.
And, what is worse? A powerful person telling citizens they have no right to know because they fervently believe that all hell will break loose if they allow any transparency or a powerful person who purports to favor transparency and openness telling citizens they do not have a right to know because he or she is not that powerful person who has contempt for open government?



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Generosity notwithstanding, I’d say he hit the nail on the head. Of course he’s no Cheney. Duh! Obummer makes Cheney look like a fucking Boy Scout. If anything, I’d submit Obuttface has established a complete new set of “standards” for psychopathic secrecy, lying AND supranational sovereign murder.
ps…
A better moral center.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
These fucks don’t know the meaning of moral. If anything, sucking scum at the bottom of the moral free cesspool keeps them so busy they haven’t got time to look it up either. Furthermore, the only “center” that keeps these sub-human waste of flesh criminals walking upright is that one neuron centered in their fucking skull cavity.
wow… Orwellian speak much by Bamz??
That said, Obama and Cheney certainly do not LOOK alike. So there is that, I ‘spose.
What a load of lying lies from the LIAR in Chief.
Thanks for the update.
OK, but what was the consequence of Obama’s basically telling the senior Senator from West Virginia to go f@ck himself? Rockefeller Chairs the Intelligence Committee – he has the institutional clout to come after Obama by many methods. He is retiring – he doesn’t have to worry about political blowback. He’s a Rockefeller – you can’t bribe him. Among civic failures in recent years of regulation, journalism, economics, leadership – the list is very long – is a failure of vital institutions to protect themselves from usurpation and schlerotic near-irrelevance by more aggressive political actors and institutions. I just can’t see Lyndon Johnson letting this kind of insult to the Senate go unpunished – say, an unflattering hearing.
The right had their Wars of Choice, so now I guess the left want’s to one-up them with their Drone Murders of Choice.
Actually Bamz’s statement – “This is not Dick Cheney we’re talking about here.” is VERY reminiscent of another infamous crook, Tricky Dick. Anyone wish to stroll down memory lane with me???
Oh hey, he has also murdered fewer Jews than Hitler so cut him some slack.
Looks like it. Except I would “argue” with you about the use of labels “right” & “left” anymore. Meaningless…
Yeah, Obombya’s no Dick Cheney. He’s just a dick, and he’s worse than Cheney.
If Hitler were alive today, he’d be green with envy at all of the dirty Moozlinz that Bamz & W have managed to, er, eliminate…
This just reinforces my belief that it’s better to have a Republican thug who will look you in the eye and stab you in the chest than a Democratic dissembler who waits until your back is turned to thrust in the blade.
Obama clearly misspoke and so the big misunderstanding. What he meant to say was.. Would you rather have Dick Cheney deciding who to kill without due process or me?
Well, let’s see…
The Dick… “legalized” torture in the US; lied often to get Congress to start an entire war that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the destruction of an entire country; authorized the end of the 4th amendment with warrantless wiretapping; authorized the beginning of the end of habeas corpus by detaining an American on American soil for years with no charges and no right to a lawyer; personally saw to it that almost anything the fossil fuel industry wanted it got; and just pretty much a complete dick and asshole.
The O…moved torture back overseas where it belonged by rendition; ignored the Constitution’s requirement that Congress declare war and declared war on Libya; signed legislation putting the end of habeas corpus into the law book; further shat upon the 4th amendment by extending the warrantless wiretap program to include all types of communication and not just ones involving at least one foriegn communicator or address; approved the new drilling in the gulf for the fossil fuel industry so that we all got to enjoy seeing the gulf fill up with BP’s oil AND has okayed the fossil fuel’s industry wet dream of the pipeline from Canada to the gulf; and is overall not a dick, comes off as nice guy, but nearly every word out of his mouth is a lie so it’s sort of a fake nice guy…..
I dunno. I’ll say this with confidence. They’re way too fucking close then they should be. Way too close.
Obama comparing himself to Chaney is stupid. He’s no better or worse than Chaney, to the extent that they are/were doing the same thing.
He should compare himself to the people he’s blown up. I’m a good guy so I can direct Drone Murders of Choice. The deads are bad guys, they’re terrorists so they get no say.
I was thinking a day might go by without Obama or his staff pissing me off about something they did or didn’t do.
I can see my concern was wasted.
To think we would EVER liken Obama to that dick Cheney is just incomprehensible.
(Hey, I had to look that up to find out how to spell incomprehensible)
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CORRECTION: “Suspected terrorists“.
You are wise beyond your weight.
I think we’re gonna have to go the super slo-motion replay.
Whether it’s a politician saying “It’s ok, trust me” or a follower saying “It’s ok, I trust this particular politician,” both are doing the same thing. They’re replacing the rule of law with the rule of man, and without the rule of law we have nothing – everything is a privilege granted or withheld by the Ruler.
That people on both the right and the left accept this as the only frame for the debate, and that one of the excuses given for going along with this is that it makes us “safer,” are among the more incomprehensible features of our current political discourse.
Right, but then Obama can counter that he’s as sure about the deads being terrorists as he is about Tiger Woods being a golfer.
The terrorists are only “Suspected terrorists” the same way Tiger is only a “Suspected professional golfer”, since it hasn’t been proven in a court of law. Obama knows best, he’s one of the good guys.
The proverbial distinction without a difference. It seems so much worse the way you wrote it. You wrote the truth.
TRue that.
What really worries me is the new phrase used to qualify potential extra-judicial government executions such as, “deemed to be a threat to the UNiteed States
Boy, that’s pretty subjective and broad??????!!!!??????
Obama is the sock, and Dick Cheney is the hand in the sock. The very first thing “O” did was to expand the war in Afghanistan, where Dick Cheney and Halliburton benefited. If you were blindfolded, you couldn’t tell the difference.
The booth review is almost done.
By rule, a “dick and an asshole” trumps a “liar and a fake nice guy”.
Pretty much of an insult to Dick Cheney.
Cheney controled much of the no-bid war machine contracts (single digit trillions). Obama handed over the US Treasury to the Banksters (double digit trillions).
It’s very interesting that Obama would even mention Cheney. It must have been on his mind that he might be compared to the “dick.”
That is a tell
He knows it’s wrong, so he’s trying to justify the argument in his own mind first
Agree. Whyever would an allegedly “Democratic” POTUS feel the need to claim that he’s not like the prior thuggish nasty “Republican” VP?
Agree with John in Sacramento: it is a “tell.”
By his Grace, Obama transsubstantiates the top-secret state’s lawless violence and surveillance into the most transparent administration ever and a force for peace. This miracle is visible only to the faithful.
Also shows what O thinks of Bush.
you do not understand the new “rules”
“Imminent” means any time at all, because we can’t determine what they are thinking and when they might do something
“terrorist” means everybody, because we can’t determine what they are thinking and that they might do something
ergo: We can whack anyone who looks “wrong” at any time.
What does someone “right” look like? Someone attached to large check made out to me.
If you give him $500,000 you can meet with him and ask him in person. Just don’t appear to be thinking bad thoughts or he might send the hummingbird drone after you.
I can hardly wait for Barack Obama to go back to Chicago and teach a course in “Constitutional Law 2.0: How 9/11 Changed Everything(tm).”
I’m 61 years old and Obama is, by far, the worst disappointment of anyone I’ve ever voted for.
That language is reminiscent of U.S. Customs’ list of items “detrimental to the United States.” If I remember, the list included lottery tickets, pornography, and liquor-filled chocolates.
fuck you dick!
you should not be alive
I’m 79 and I agree with you.
Obama is a fake, and a phoney but….
“The second household survey, conducted by the Hopkins scientists again, was completed in June 2006 and published four months later in The Lancet. Its findings: 650,000 people (civilians and fighters) died as a result of the war in Iraq. ”
http://web.mit.edu/humancostiraq/
Obama’s got a lot more killing to do, to catch up to the evil Dick Cheney. He’s a pipsqueak in comparison.
Must make him feel happy though, to know he’s got the approval of such a heavy hitter.
Agree in principle but can we add to Obama’s totals all the future deaths from drones, nonAffordable Health Care, suicides due to loss of hope for change. Sad that Obama chose to compare with Cheney cuz he thought is wasn’t a close call but most here think it’s Cheney vs. Cheney2.0
“suicides due to loss of hope for change”. I was just reading some alarming statistics in regard to deadly “accidental” pill overdoses. They have increased dramatically recently. Those people chose to ease on out quietly because of the stigma of “suicide”. I’m going to blow my brains all over the creation if things don’t get better, I want everybody to know.
X2
His approval rating is on the way down. But then again, he doesn’t give a shit.
I hope that the obots who voted for him realize the terror that they have allowed to roam free on the earth. As BS says above, it’s cheney vs. cheney2.0, and cheney2.0 is supposed to be a teacher of Constitutional law, so I think that in the contest of WORST the Constitutional law teacher wins easily.
I just turned 62 and I agree wholeheartedly TT. I was gonna “get off” my anti-depressants but I think that would be problematicsl, at best. Something (bad) like this comes out almost every day.
Hang on TT,……..”Two Dos Equis please waitress. What do you the rest of you guys want?”
Oh shit!
Here we go back to the video booth for the replay…….
Oh…well…in that case, I guess it’s okay.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d so much rather be murdered by an administration headed by a Democrat than a Republican. At least the Democrat will feel my pain, sort of.
“At least the Democrat will pretend to
feelmy pain, sort of.”Cheney’s “Shock and Awe” clearly resulted in a higher body count but Obama’s “Shock and Dismay” clearly resulted in the complete destruction of a Constitutional Democracy and the last remnants of the American Spirit.
The refs are working overtime on this question.
A succinct statement of a truth that has eluded many except the t-baggers and Firepups.
Ah, thanks for the friendly amendment.
And Bush on steroids continues takin’ the juice…
Maybe he’ll blow up Syria too!
Shorter Obama: We’ll both rape you, but at least I’ll use lubricant
No Obama’s no Cheney. Cheney grins like an evil demon when he tells people the gov is going to enact policy that will kill millions and literally bankrupt the country. Obama, on the other hand, stares off into space, a little off center, in a pause when he does the same thing. Like he’s just a good guy saying what has to be said.
I don’t know which is worse, Satan in full regalia who just says “SO” and goes back to his evil lair or the deceptive wolf in sheep’s clothing forcing everyone to treat him like he’s a nice normal guy.
hey I said that but you said it better.
Well, Obama sure as hell won the lying contest. I’d say Cheney won the deceptive contest by a hair since he hid behind a sock puppet simpleton. But they Tie on Evil. And, of course, they both got the “Gold” for that.
One scotch, one bourbon, one beer…er..make em doubles. At 68, I need all the help I can get to put this shit outta my head..at least once in a while.
Hey, I’m not Al Capone here, amirite, so don’t subject my tax returns to IRS oversight mkaybie.
I have a few quotes for Obama to learn the history and meaning of:
“A government of laws, not of men.” – John Adams
“In questions of power…let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson
When Obama says “I’m not Dick Cheney”, he’s missing the point.