
Screen shot from broadcast of the “shock and awe” bombing of Baghdad in 2003
Fareed Zakaria on his show on CNN on Sunday asked neoconservative hawk and former Bush administration official Paul Wolfowitz whether the Iraq war was “worth the price in American lives and treasure.” Representatives Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Cotton, who “went from the battlefields of Iraq to the halls of Congress” were on CNN to answer whether the price of war was “worth it” to America. Numerous headlines for news stories or op-eds reflecting on the ten-year anniversary are framed in terms of costs versus benefits for America.
A poll circulating, which was conducted by ABC News and The Washington Post found “nearly six in 10 Americans say the war was not worth fighting.” Fifty-three percent, according to a Gallup poll, say the US “made a mistake sending troops to fight in Iraq.” (That percentage is actually down from 63 percent in 2008.
The United States government and tens of thousands of its people made an “investment” in Iraq. The invasion and occupation of the country inarguably cost trillions of dollars. It led to the deaths of over 6,600 Americans who deployed to Iraq. Over 671,000 have filed disability claims and those who fought in the war were predominantly young poor or working class Americans.
It cannot be said there was no cost or suffering for Americans, however, that should not be the focus of reflection. It should not matter whether Americans think it was “worth it” or not, whether those who engineered the war still find it to have been “worth it,” or even whether troops who served happen to believe what they did was “worth it.” The primary focus should be the cost to Iraqis.
Do Iraqis think it was “worth it” to be invaded in 2003 so the US could prevent Saddam Hussein from using weapons of mass destruction that did not exist? Was it “worth it” to be occupied by US military forces and private military contractors for eight years? Do they approve of the invasion, which really built on the Gulf War launched by President George H.W. Bush and the sanctions and air strikes against the country that occurred when President Bill Clinton was in office?
A Zogby poll of Iraqi public opinion in 2011 found 22% of Iraqis were happy, 35% were worried and 30% felt “both emotions.” Iraqis viewed Iran, the United States and Iraqi elites as key beneficiaries of the US invasion. “More than one-quarter of Iraqis” saw “al-Qaeda as a chief beneficiary of the war,” and “only 4%” thought “the Iraqi people benefited the most from the war.”
Let’s abandon this frame, which devalues Iraqi lives and the suffering Iraqis experienced. Let’s stay away from discussion of whether war was a “mistake” or not. It cannot be a “mistake” because the administration of President George W. Bush did not just happen to stumble into Iraq and bomb it with a campaign of “shock and awe.” The administration spent months constructing a case for war knowing there was no evidence that Saddam Hussein posed any imminent threat yet they fabricated arguments to convince government agencies, the political class, the press and the public that this was a war that had to be waged. All of which makes the war a crime, not a mistake.
There should be reflection on the crime that was the Iraq war. Throughout the week, government documents revealing the conspiracy and corruption should be highlighted. Stories from Iraqis who were subjected to bombings, torture, arbitrary detention, night raids, Iraqi security forces backed by the US that conducted themselves as death squads, abusive and exploitative private contractors, corruption that propped up Iraq’s ruling elites, etc, should all receive attention.
The American people do not know this war. They do not know what really happened or what has been happening after. The ignorance, to some extent, is chosen. Who really wants to know how their country destroyed a country? But, also, President Barack Obama’s administration, Congress and others in government do not want to see a real outpouring of empathy and remorse for what happened. That would undermine the idea of America, the myth of the country being a force for good in the world.
A conservative estimate suggests 123,000-134,000 Iraqi civilians were killed. A study conducted in 2006 by Lancet found over 650,000 civilian deaths had occurred as a result of the Iraq war. Then, there’s this reality:
Approximately 2.8 million people remain either internally displaced or have fled the country. This means that 1 in 12 Iraqis are still displaced from their homes. Unemployment is high. The health of women and children is the most vulnerable in Iraq and many Iraqis are hungry, and dependent on rations.
Amnesty International released a report ahead of the ten-year anniversary. “Thousands of Iraqis are detained without trial or serving prison sentences imposed after unfair trials, torture remains rife and continues to be committed with impunity,” according to the human rights organization. “The new Iraq is one of the world’s leading executioners. The government hanged 129 prisoners in 2012, while hundreds more languished on death row.”
Amid “intense political and sectarian rivalry and widespread lethal violence,” Amnesty reports, “Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been rounded up by the authorities; many of them have been detained for months or years without charge or trial in conditions that facilitate, even invite, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment (other ill-treatment).”
When prisoners have been brought before the courts, international fair trial standards also have been frequently and systematically violated. Many defendants have alleged that police or other interrogators tortured and coerced them to make selfincriminating statements while holding them incommunicado in pre-trial detention, and have repudiated such “confessions” at trial. Courts, however, have frequently accepted such “confessions” as evidence despite their repudiation by defendants, and used them as a basis to deliver guilty verdicts. Much of Iraqi justice still functions according to the principle that ”the confession is the master of evidence”, underscoring the pervasive nature of the “confession culture” that dominates the approach of the police and security forces to obtaining information as a basis for prosecuting suspects before the courts. [emphasis added]
This “confession culture” may have been fostered by Saddam Hussein’s regime, but the reality that US forces used this culture to its advantage during the war and occupation cannot be ignored. In a country where America was supposedly there to “liberate” a population, it turned to a security regime built upon fear and terror that utilized torture and/or involved looking the other way as Iraqi forces brutalized people in secret prisons. Thus, it should come as no surprise that after the US left the Iraqi government continued to try and secure the country by relying on this culture, where crimes confessed during torture have many times led to defendants being sentenced to death.
Is it worth it that the US invaded and left behind a country where torture is pervasive? Is it worth it that the US only worsened sectarian tensions and even played groups against each other to get results desired and now that is fueling violence? Is it worth it that all war crimes committed in Iraq have gone unpunished; that few responsible for murder and torture have been held accountable, particularly those who were serving as high-ranking government officials and authorized or looked the other way when such acts were committed?
Not only did Iraq war hawks push America into war, but the House and Senate, including Democrats, authorized war. The media notoriously signed on to the war. People in power who could have spoken up and sections of society that could have been more outspoken were silent.
No persons have ever been held accountable for the war. The organization of a truth commission, where Bush administration officials and others complicit or responsible for the criminal Iraq war are exposed and shamed, has not occurred.
Like previous US wars, it could be decades later before the world really learns all that should be known about the crimes of humanity Iraqis endured. The truth of what happened is still being learned, but enough is known, however, to unequivocally conclude a massive ongoing eight-year crime was carried out in Iraq and, sadly, Iraqis are unlikely to ever get the justice, accountability or even the reparations they deserve.




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Warren should head a “Truman Commission” like investigation and all profiteers should be separated from their profits. Jail would be nice too.
This post should be the syllabus for a college course. Well done again Mr. Gosztola.
This is a devastating article of further Iraqi suffering that does not get any media attention in this country. It is not just the war, but the continued after affects long after the war is over. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/03/2013315171951838638.html
And therein lies the word that makes the Founding Fathers roll in their graves: “authorized.
Congress must “declare” war. “Authorization” is irrelevant to the debate. And John Edwards did America a great big favor when he released his campaign video:
The Politics of Parsing.
IMO, that video clearly details the lies and double talk that will occur as a result of us not following the Constitution and DECLARING war.
With HRCs announcement that she supports marriage equality, I’m confident she’s running in 2016. And I imagine she’ll win. But it would be nice if a straight-talking, pro-peace candidate runs against her. I’m so tired of The Establishment telling us how awful the world would be if we don’t blowup countries and bailout W$.
Perhaps 650,000 deaths – millions displaced! I was in every demonstration going on in Chicago I could get to. I attended meetings – lost friends – I am sick to death.
Really – do we not think we will pay for this. Beyond our current depression – others have drones (quelle surprise). The ME is in hellish turmoil – will this never affect us?
Prison terms? too good for the killers. And yet they are still on media espousing their theories. I am living in madness. It is a wonder I am not mad yet.
But you, Kevin, are sane -
That is exactly right. It was murder during the commission of an attempted robbery, but on an international level.
It sure was worth it BIG time to all the WAR Inc profiteers, like Dick Cheney: CHA CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Loss of life? Who gives a shit? I got MINE, eff you, blah blah etc.
The
inabilityunwillingness of our idiot press to discern the critical aspect of thisstorytrajedy, and the ass-covering freely offered by our Obummer Presididn’t by only looking forward is remarkably similar to two darling young high school football players having to serve a year in juvinile detention for taking pictures and saying stupid stuff as opposed to being punished for RAPING someone.American hegemony depends on American citizens’ ignorance of what is done by USG around the globe. Without our complicity, American Empire could not be.
I believe that is the primary reason Manning has gotten so little attention in the mainstream media.
AF ’67 to ’71.
One of my extra duties was the Honor Guard. We had ONE job. That was to be the official AF representatives at the burials of AF personnel. Attend the service. Move the casket. Carry the casket to the grave site. Have taps played. Fold the flag that is on the casket and present it to the next of kin.
You want to vote for going to war? Great. From the start of hostilities until they end, every politician who voted for the war should have to attend a funeral for a fallen soldier and talk to the family who lost a member of their family. If they are unwilling to face these families then they shouldn’t be allowed to vote on the issue.
It’s easy to vote for war if you never face the consequences of those decisions.
Lucky you are Kevin that Bush and that dick Cheney don’t have an “enemies list” (like Nixon) for I suspect you would be on it.
WEll done young man. Well done.
Surely Dick Cheney has a well-kept enemies list still to this day. He’s that kinda guy.
To those who say we learned anything from the Viet Nam war I say balderddash. Poppycock.
I Know that Afhanistan is windiong down. By the wintrer of 2014 we will have no active war. Ooh, I’m sorry, no “kinetic military action” ongoing. But, I’ll bet by 2018 we have something somewhere. And, if we don’t have a “legitimate” war, well, I’m sure we can find some peaceful but politically unstable little nation somewhere. After all, we have a lot of military hardware to justify and test.
Well, let’s say if he doesn’t……he SHOULD have.
Actually 60% against the war after 10 years of intense propaganda and indoctrination could be a hopeful sign.
The Dims are just as culpable as the Dubya crowd, Dragon Lady Pelosi made it clear to all incoming Dim freshman Reps that even though it was a major reason for their win of control, nothing would be done to address the situation. Their large donors were making just as much off the war as the Repugs, and it could be exploited for political purposes, making the R’s look bad, bemoaning the idea that were they awarded the Executive and the Senate, they would turn this situation around. Instead we got Handshake Harry and the Insidiously Vile war monger in chief.
Top notch Kevin Gosztla
Indeed, think AfriCom.
No, but Obama has his disposition matrix.
And KG may already be to the point where he MUST continue writing. With Rand Paul quoting him on the Senate floor, it’s a near certainty that The Authoritarians already have their eye on Kevin.
Kevin’s best defense is to continue writing. But then Assange did just that and we see how Obama has been treating him.
blueokie,
The Democrats are NOT as culpable as Bush.
Bush’s job, prior to the war, was presenting a justification for the war. The Democrats were remiss in realizing that Bush was a blatant liar and that they should have done a better job at researching whether the information Bush was presenting the country and the politicians was accurate, or not. So if you were a lone representative, what would you do?
Bush was commander in chief. He KNEW his justifications were a lie. HE gave the order to go to war KNOWING that it shouldn’t happen.
Cheney and Bush bear the ultimate responsibility.
I’m not religious, but I do have one consolation. If I’m wrong about religion, there’s no doubt where Bush and Cheney will be spending eternity.
We have absolutely NO idea what criteria are used to determine the need for “disposal.”
If Kevin were to travel to one of Obama’s undeclared war zones, I could easily see an “accident” befalling him.
With hundreds of drone strikes, there’s no way that Obama is aware of all of them. He’s outsourced that function. If Kevin happened to be at a cafe in Yemen where there was coincidentally a low level al Qaida sympathizer, I’m confident that Brennan et al would ensure that sympathizer — and everyone else at the cafe — got “disposed.”
Wow, the argument that senior US Politicians and Military should be prosecuted for War Crimes has moved from general discussion to a suggested set of detailed charges and evidence.
http://darkernet.in/indicting-the-us-government-for-crimes-against-humanity-unsealing-the-evidence/
Massive understatements notwithstanding, the long term plan for the exploitation of Iraq and it’s oil began WAAAAAAAAAY before 9/11. In fact, today’s Glenn Greenwald subject contains a small quote that gives a big clue.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/18/david-frum-iraq-war-oil
The subject of his piece is the singular purpose of the Iraq debacle was OIL. Within his article is a quote from the subset subject..former Bush speechwriter David Frum. Quoting from Greenwald’s article…
Year or two before the war. Planning the war. Right. That kinda refutes this..
Maybe the whole administration, but I submit Cheney knew things he wasn’t letting on to Frum . Like this little nugget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay-nUI3b_oU
See @8:40
Yesireeebob…Amerika sucked up the WMD fear, and the CIA/Oligarchy knew it would. Hell, they learned it from their predecessors..the United Fruit Company 100 years earlier.
http://httpics.com/is.php?i=1846&img=UFC_CIA_link_ar.jpg
All they needed was a 9/11 to start the ball rolling. The CIA knew it after they couldn’t bribe, or assassinate Hussein years before.
Absurd notwithstanding, I’d love to ask those waste of flesh assholes how many arms, legs, or children THEY lost in their “was it worth it” war. Worth it indeed. How do these sub human pond scum look in the fucking mirror.
Please, that revisionist crap is best reserved for someplace like Daily Kos or MSDNC.
If you believe that nonsense you’d have to believe the Dims aren’t a top down organization. Did the Dims ever demand a formal Declaration of War? How many filibusters did the Dims have against the wars in the Senate? Weren’t’ the Dims just as eager to break out the flag lapel pins, and adopting the meme that questioning the war,the waste of resources to the MIC or the Administration as, “Not supporting the troops in the field”? Have you forgotten that the Dims won the House in ’06 implicitly on an End the War platform? Didn’t your guru (who spent his entire two years in the Senate endorsing the war and a seemingly endless stream of corporate give-aways) actively campaign against the Dem. party’s candidate, chosen by the people in a primary, who won on an anti-war platform Ned Lamont in favor of Joe Libermann? And once he was President spend a great deal of time and energy on extending the war, which he failed at because Iraq would not hold the U.S. and their mercenaries above the law? (Of course that didn’t stop the mendacious politician from taking victory laps in celebration of his living up to a treaty Dubya actually signed. Barry ending the war is a heinous lie.)
At the very least, the Dims are guilty of aiding and abetting before, during, and after the war. At the most obvious they were co-conspirators.
I don’t disagree with the proposition that the war was over oil, but David Frum’s Daily Beast article “admitting” the point that Greenwald and others are quoting is untrustworthy because it shows a faulty memory on Frum’s part. He places the Washington, DC sniper scare ahead of the birth of his youngest child in December, 2001, whereas it actually happened in the fall of 2002.
They will never, ever, admit that it was wrong. Ever.
They’ll just simply stop talking about it.
It’s going to be like the 1934 coup attempt that Smedley Butler foiled, or the US role in invading the Soviet Union in 1919 in an effort to topple the government: It’ll be swept under the rug.
And as Ben Affleck reminded us… the USG and CIA had absolutely nothing to do with change of the Iranian government in 1952.
Horse manure.
- Bush KNEW that the information he was providing was a lie.
- By your logic, the Democrats should have KNOWN that Bush was a liar and that they should have done more research to prove it and fight going to war. (If that was the case, the Democrats had the grounds to impeach Bush for his actions.)
- Congress does not have the authority to send troops into battle. Only the President has that authority.
- LBJ and McNamara should have been tried for the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam expansion. At the same time, we were already involved in Vietnam.
Sorry. Bush murdered all of these folks just as if he had pulled the triggers himself.
Wouldn’t it be q real :feather in his cap” if Kevins was one of the first journalists to get his own drone surveillance???
Yeah. Doubt if it’d be a feather penetrating his cap.
My new description is the today’s democratic party is useless and clueless.
Complicit in anything??? IMO, not likely. Did they ignorantly drive the get away car. Prolly.
(I wrote that)
If I recall, the attorney general, what’s his name, said the president did NOT have the right to kill Americans on US soil.
You ARE an American aren’t you Kevin? Not Canadian????
the change in government in Iran took place in 53 with Ike. Truman would not give the go ahead to BP and the Brits.
LOL. Can I interest you in the purchase of a bridge?
thanks… sorry bout the typo.
I’d agree with you wholeheartedly… if only Obama were joking about his disposition matrix.
Besides, I bet Greenwald is a higher priority for Obama. Not only does Glenzilla (presumably) have a wider audience, I think he lives in Britain. And if you’re not on US soil, you’re clearly eligible for assassination. Yay for the anti-war President!
Liberal writers like John Amato are currently writing how they cant understand how the press got the story so wrong, how there was massive group think. This is willfull purposefull ignorance. All a person has to do is get a copy of the mid 70s senate report on the cia written by the Church committee and you will quickly understand how coopted, & controlled our major media is by government entities. the fix was in and the first thing that has to be controlled is the messaging which gives the politicians their cover
Who was tasked with messaging in 2002 / 03?
I think the Senate gives it to the #2. At that time, was it Reid (under Daschle) and McConnell (under Lott)?
Yes blueokie… Spot on! Enablers!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
He would be proud since the entire fabrication, is Goebbelish. Now maybe folks can understand the significance of the:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
There can be no doubt that our own corporate fascists utilized 911 to justify the Invasion of Iraq, predicated on outright lies, fabrications and guilt by association, that did not exist. A preemptive use of military force in alleged self defense, to attack
PolandIraq based on a fraud.Senator Byrd was correct. America got played just like the Germans. And Cheney would do it all again? WTF!
Senator Byrd’s Speech Opposing Iraq War 3/19/03 Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxWfawiufK0
Got that right MB!
I worry that Americans will fail to learn just how much it has cost and harmed us to allow a LOBBY for another country that manipulates our government, our media, creates false wars, and corrupts and “cronyizes” our government, because then it will be too late.
The Iraq War was for Israel, not the Iraqis or the USA people. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0329-11.htm It was created by moneyed interests for moneyed interests just as was the great recession of 2008. We’ve already lost our economy due to its outsourcing by the money people of Wall St. We as a people need to wake-up and say “Never Again” to lobbies and corruption.
A good, thoughtful article, Kevin. This is the kind of article that the msm refused to write in the pre-war period. There was no real thoughtfulness displayed by the msm or the national political leadership. Trying to get the dims off the hook as dogjudge is doing simply playing into the idea that there is a real difference between the two “parties.” There was a great deal of evidence of lying on the part of w and his minions, but it was deliberately ignored by ALL leadership people. The original invasion was a crime that was compounded by the sanctions imposed by clinton and the second invasion built on the wmd lies.
As pointed out in a link @2 by ChicagoTodd, Iraq is now saddled by having to live with uranium pollution affecting their population. We should clean that up. People like w, cheney, pelosi, tom friedman, and all who voted for the war should be picking up the detritus without hazmat suits.
The destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure has left the country in a bad way. Electricity and clean water are limited. The national museum was destroyed and priceless, irreplaceable items stolen as our troops were not required to protect them. The list goes on and on.
“We as a people need to wake-up and say “Never Again” to lobbies and corruption.”
The East India Tea Company lobbied the King which gave rise monopoly which resulted America. Then we had these guys who setup a system where the “First Amendment,” would protect the rights of citizens to express opinions not entertained and address grievances of the governed. Today corporate fascist piss on that first amendment, using it to propagandize the public, while attempting to silence legitimate dissent. Then we get a reincarnation of Taney in Scaglia These people fucking suck!
Today people pay Comcast, who owns GE and NBC a month in advance to be brainwashed by a limp dick corporate media. No wonder why Comcast can buy GE and NBC consolidating more power to be leveraged against the American People….
The Iraq War! Wall Street quackery and fuckery? America’s sodomization at the hands of corporate fascists, with nothing from Holder holding his “hog” and doing squat!
“No persons have ever been held accountable for the war. The organization of a truth commission, where Bush administration officials and others complicit or responsible for the criminal Iraq war are exposed and shamed, has not occurred.”
Had the Nazis prevailed in WWII, there would have been no War crimes trials, convictions and executions. To the victor goes the spoils. What did the American people win? Not a fucking thing. The American people inherit the negative consequences of fraud, as did the Iraqis, while the criminals are free like Nazi war criminal in South America or Africa?
One dollar, and one life, made Bush and Cheney not only liars, but thieves and murderers as well.
Iraq was just more U.S. imperialism,no different than the Mexican or Spanish-American wars or the war against the Filipino people which followed the latter.Surely no different than Vietnam or the various invasions of the Banana Republics in the old days.Just more of the same.
You don’t need a question mark on that. The perpetrators escaped.
… good comment BC … X 2
…Thank you KG — stay with it
Sorry, blueokie, but dogjudge can’t possibly agree with you on that. He’s got to vote for Hillary in 2016. If he pegged her as complicit in probably the worst crime in the last few decades, it would make that vote feel a bit dirty.
Excuse me, but former Reaganite Zakarias is asking Wolfowitz whether the illegal war Wolfowitz and his cronies engineered, but never themselves fought, was worth it?
What the fuck is wrong with that picture?
They did not escape. Obama gave them a hall pass.
Obama never said he was anti-war. He said Iraq was the wrong war and Bush took his eye off the ball in Afghanistan. So, i 2008, Obama was saying that Afghanistan was the right war.
Bush had pretty much wound down the war in Afghanistan, so Obama’s 2008 statement seemed to me to be a statement on something that was just about over anyway.
Little did I anticipate that Obama would surge in Afghanistan and ramp up serial murder by drone once he was in office.
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How, specifically, do we do that?
And will anyone in power pay attention anyway?
And Obama and Biden took up where Bush and Cheney left off.
That is our real dilemma. Voting out one major political party or the other changes very little–at least very little that has any impact on money issues, which has been a goal of the 1% for decades.